/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11362061]

>coronavirus is steadily rising
>in locations other than China
WTF?
Is putting a dozen of tourists into quarantine really that difficult?

[Anonymous No.11362141]

yes

[Anonymous No.11362149]

>>11362061
Rounding up all Chinese tourists and throwing them in a quarantine camp is too politically incorrect. It is, however, the correct course of action. Along with imposing economic sanctions on China to pay for all the resources they're making other countries spend.

[Anonymous No.11362198]

>>11362061
>>11362141
Makes me wonder will Africa be wiped out.
It would be weird if there wasn't at least one infected African that went back home when shit hit the fan.

If normal countries have problems with corona, then Niger doesn't stand a chance; they won't even know what hit them.

[Anonymous No.11362231]

>>11362061
TFW stupid ass North Korea is the only one who got their shit right

[Anonymous No.11362306]

>>11362231
They have suspected cases

[Anonymous No.11362339]

There is a secret clause in the US-CHINA trade agreement. It says that China will release the virus as an attempt to assassinate Jonathan Tooker

[Anonymous No.11363143]

quite linear at world wide level

[Anonymous No.11363161]

>>11362231
Mongolia closed their airports and border with China, US government is quarantining anyone from the province Wuhan is in, for a minimum 14 days iirc, and this was stuff I read a while ago, is old news

[Anonymous No.11363182]

big hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.11363683]

>>11363143
>quite linear
I believe it is closer to second degree polynomial than linear. Since 31 Jan we have seen the derivative increase (ommiting the very last data point), which means that the second order derivate has to be positive. The second order derivative of a linear curve is zero.
>at world wide level
Those numbers are for Mainland China, but there are so few cases outside of China that it would have been correct.

[Anonymous No.11363687]

[Anonymous No.11363707]

>>11363143
>>11363182
>>11363683
>>11363687
So what does this mean? Is it speeding up? stable? slowing down?

[Anonymous No.11363710]

>>11362198
According to the news 20 years ago, AIDS already killed everyone in Africa

[Anonymous No.11363721]

>>11363707
Seems like it's slowing down very very slowly. That is second order derivative is positive but constant or decreasing so slowly that it is practically constant. Epidemics tends to be in this very unclear state for a while, then suddenly crash. It's hard to predict when the crash will happen, but it will. Picture from 2009 swine flu. To me it seems like the growth is going to stay like this for quite some time, but I don't base this on much else than intuition from current R0 estimates at 2.24-3.58 and the fact that the quarantine efforts isn't particularly successful within China although it probably would have been much worse without it. Most data to calculate R0 is from crowded, unsanitary and polluted China during the chaos of chinese new year festival. So it might be that R0 is lower outside of China. By comparison, 2009 Swine flu R0 have been estimated 1.75, and been estimated to have infected 11%-21% of the global population. So even if R0 is lower than that outside China, it can spread quite well!

[Anonymous No.11363736]

>>11363182
The stats are currently dominated by China, and all of that information is coming through official CCP sources. You're seeing a near-perfect fit because it's being released as gated information.

Once we start to see cases ramping up internationally past the first few rounds of incubation, it won't fit nearly as neatly and we'll get a much less sanitized picture.

[Anonymous No.11363758]

>>11363721
Is it really informative to be doing second derivatives on the data when it's coming out in drips like this? I would have thought the data was inherently too messy for those kind of analyses to be meaningful

[Anonymous No.11363769]

>>11363143
>quite linear
>graph clearly showing a non-linear increase
What?

[Anonymous No.11363774]

>>11362061
Muh human rights. If we had a bit of sense we'd shoot all infected and everyone who was near them and burn the bodies.

[Anonymous No.11363822]

>>11363758
You have a point. I am implicitly predicting that the epidemic will not catch up exponential growth again and that the epidemic at least within China likely is
> in this very unclear state [edit: of nonexponential but rapid and quite stable growth] for a while, then suddenly crash.
Which is a common feature of epidemics, including the 2009 swine flu epidemic which I use an an example of this. This could very well be proven wrong, even within China as number really aren't that high. At least not the official detected cases! I am implicitly assuming that these numbers are proportial to the actual number of cases. As for the development outside of China I haven't taken any stance.

[Anonymous No.11363835]

>>11362061
Quarantine is unethical and closing borders is undiplomatic.

[Anonymous No.11364112]

>>11363835
Rare non-utilitarian! Melts my frozen heart! It was frozen by an utilitarian that thought it was better for most that I received this inhibition :(

[Anonymous No.11364113]

>>11363835
>>11364112
https://americanmind.org/essays/rip-globalism-dead-of-coronavirus/

[Anonymous No.11364118]

>>11363835
>bad attitude

[Anonymous No.11364252]

>>11364113
Very interesting read!

[Anonymous No.11364365]

>>11364113
>Man needs dreams; they cannot be removed or refuted, only replaced. With big dreams we can act in small ways. But if the dreams are built for the act—they will be small.
Beautiful!

Although I feel like he's using internationalism as a scapegoat for the reason west has been hesitant on these measures, I do agree with him on this
>Isolating the hemispheres, blocking human travel between Old and New Worlds, is a temporary measure for a temporary epidemic. Its motivations are utilitarian and transient. Only at very specific moments in very specific situations is it appropriate. One of those moments and situations might be right now—or not.

It still warms my heart to see >>11363835 argue for the right of a Chinese person to flee from a country with an ongoing epidemic. Even this person might really already have caught the disease and end up spreading it instead of escaping it. A symptomatic, kind and rational person would not flee from China. An asympomatic person might, but the kindest and most rational would still not. There is not much to gain for the infected to flee from China. Or maybe there is. But only for a while I suppose. Unfortunately this disease has an extraordinarily long incubation time with asympomatic transmission.

[Anonymous No.11365200]

[Anonymous No.11365319]

>>11363835
thanks, Obama

[Anonymous No.11365409]

>>11362061
It's not difficult at all, it's racist. If 10 million chinese people die, then 100 million whites will have to die to even things out.

[Anonymous No.11365431]

>>11362061
>steadily rising in locations other than China

Of course it is. The people who released the virus want travel to continue like normal, so that it spreads as much as possible.

See the official WHO (United Nations) statement: https://www.infowars.com/who-demands-countries-not-impose-travel-restrictions-to-avoid-fear-and-stigma/

And watch the Coronavirus simulation/exercise the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation held together with UN representatives 2 months before the virus was released, in which they discuss the """"importance""" of continuing travela and having open borders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm1-DnxRiPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkGNvWflCNM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWRmlumcN_s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBuP40H4Tko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-_FAjNSd58

At that meeting they projected 200 million deaths but ended up with 65 million. One of the dudes (Timothy Evans) at the table then joked that they "only" got 65 million instead of 200 million.

Also see this interview with an expert on biological weapons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsyujjitOFM

[Anonymous No.11365442]

>>11365431
Also I should add, that at that meeting they discuss the "importance" of making sure people only receive information from mainstream media news sources, and the "importance" of controlling the internet and technologies to censor people online.

[Anonymous No.11365524]

>>11365431
holy fuck I'm watching those videos now, this is some predictive programming revelation of the method shit right here!

[Anonymous No.11365528]

>>11363143
>>11363182
>>11363683
bit of a stupid question, but is the gradient of this graph limited by the number of cases which are able to be lab-verified each day? and then after surpassing a certain number of cases in a day, you would have something that appeared linear?
for example, say the labs can only verify 4000 cases per day. then even if the number of new cases on consecutive days were 10,000, 12,000, 17,000, the daily increases would still only be 4000.

[Anonymous No.11365535]

>>11365431
>18th October 2019

[Anonymous No.11365548]

>>11362339
doesn't seem too unlikely

[Anonymous No.11365561]

>>11365431
The absolute hubris in recording this and uploading it to YouTube.

[Anonymous No.11365574]

>>11362061
It speaks volumes about its spreading capabilities.
>>11363710
Corona-chan spreads way more easily and kills faster than aids, though.

[Anonymous No.11365589]

>>11365431
[math] \textbf{HELP US, DR. YABANI} [/math]

[Anonymous No.11365608]

>>11365589
You're witnessing Cultural Marxism in action there.

[Anonymous No.11365637]

>>11365431

What are you fucking getting at anon?

You think there is a conspiracy among the elites to kill off 200 million old/sick people with a bio weapon?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. A couple of youtube vids showing literally nothing does not constitute evidence of a crime bigger than any in human history.

[Anonymous No.11365644]

>>11365637
How much do you save on lighting every year from working for the CIA?

[Anonymous No.11365649]

>>11362306
They’ll just shoot them

[Anonymous No.11365652]

Nothingburger

[Anonymous No.11365654]

>>11365574
>Corona-chan spreads way more easily
AIDS spreads faster according to the chart from WHO that someone posted recently but that I didn’t bother to save a copy of because I’m not that invested

[Anonymous No.11365659]

/sci/ is pozzed by /pol/ tourists who reside on mount stupid in the "knowledge by willingness to opine" graph. I wonder how many regular posters here dont even have an undergraduate degree

[Anonymous No.11365660]

>>11365659
>muh credentialism cope

[Anonymous No.11365668]

>>11365644

Nice dodge.

You just sealed your own coffin. Now anybody reading this thread will see you have no compelling evidence and that your only option is to resort to accusing me of being in on the conspiracy.

[Anonymous No.11365672]

>>11365660
>muh smart but lazy cope

[Anonymous No.11365688]

>>11365672
no one gives a shit about your iq or degree on 4chan, you can save that for your gay low t eunuch lab mates when you're dressing up for furry parties or whatever

[Anonymous No.11365694]

>>11365688
no one gives a shit about your half baked fear mongering conspiracies that anyone with half a brain can see is a load of shit you uneducated swine

[Anonymous No.11365776]

>>11365637

[Anonymous No.11366260]

>>11365589
Dumb mod put terry back

[Anonymous No.11366274]

>>11365776

[Anonymous No.11366284]

>>11363143
french ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''education''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

[Anonymous No.11366381]

>>11365528
>bit of a stupid question, but is the gradient of this graph limited by the number of cases which are able to be lab-verified each day? and then after surpassing a certain number of cases in a day, you would have something that appeared linear?
Yes! It might even be that capacity fluctuates from day to day. I don't really know all the limiting factors here. One is obviously manpower, another is having buildings for it (a new hospital was finished 3. feb), another might be protective gear for the worker, other might various lab supplies. I hear they have gone low on the latter which they refer to as "testing kits". I suppose this is something that need to be restocked every day, which might fluctuate but hopefully gradually increase as demand increases. Interestingly, the number of new cases has been going down for the last 2 days for the first time since 28 Jan, from 4k to 3k.
> say the labs can only verify 4000 cases per day. then even if the number of new cases on consecutive days were 10,000, 12,000, 17,000, the daily increases would still only be 4000.
Yeah, they would likely prioritize the most severe cases. And remember that the testing is spread out many hospitals over almost all of China. Looking at this >>11365200 we see little over 2/3 of cases in Hubei, which is the region which contains all the 15 quarantined cities. Only 6k of the cases are in Wuhan.

[Anonymous No.11366461]

[Anonymous No.11366469]

>>11365649

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[Anonymous No.11367485]

>>11363774
wtf based

[Anonymous No.11367494]

It's over. Jews won. If it wasnt for muh liberals oga bogas and racism then rest of world would close Airports, seaports and other motherfucking roads from China.

At least i wasnt racist right?

[Anonymous No.11367704]

>>11367494
The Endsieg will belong to the Native European People.

[Anonymous No.11367749]

>>11365431
>Of course it is. The people who released the virus want travel to continue like normal, so that it spreads as much as possible.


This is the misinformation. In fact, there were no restrictions to travel over a long span of time and thats why its shown up outside of China.

So, where were u guys when posting about the Zika, MERS, SARS outbreaks? Oh yea. Same shit, different wildtype virus, same implied conspiracy.

Sadyly a lot of this is not just amateur idiots but employees for the state media in various Asian countries (China, Russia, Korea) who see using the internet this way to be of great benefit in defending themselves against an opportunity to examine and criticize the sufficiency of those governments' responses.

tl;dr

OP may or may not be a disinformation officer of a foreign government, or he may be an incel, difference isn't much

[Anonymous No.11367791]

>>11362061
China's plan to destabilize the rest of the world via biological warfare is proceeding nicely.

[Anonymous No.11369161]

[Anonymous No.11369174]

>>11367791

Why would they destabilise themselves so much more than everybody else?

[Anonymous No.11369913]

>>11369174
Because Chings gonna Chong.

[Anonymous No.11369963]

>>11369161
Looks polynomial.

[Anonymous No.11370075]

>>11369174
If it really does mostly effect Asian men and the elderly, it would benefit them a bit. They can fix their demographics, eliminate more of the people who know what they've done in the past, and slow down protests for a long while. The CCP inherited the "one death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic" bit from Stalin. It spreading to other countries is just a side benefit if it's intentional.