Self improvement vs anon

[Anonymous No.11353969]

your opinion

[Anonymous No.11353970]

He's right that some people have more luck than others.

However, the people who work towards goals and achieve them are not genetic dead ends. The genetic dead-ends are the people who just accept defeat before even really trying.

[Anonymous No.11353981]

That whole thing is basically bullshit made by someone to trying demoralise you. Every single normal person has at some point seriously considered doing things for self improvement even if they don't specifically use the words "self improvement". Whether they're saying stuff like "damn you know what I should go on a diet" after looking in the mirror or if it's even something simple like "I haven't cleaned my bedroom in far too long I'll do it now". Self improvement is something everyone should engage in whether they specifically use the broad encompassing term itself is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11353986]

>>11353969
lol, caring about passing on your genes is the gayest meme ever. when you die nothing matters.
t. fucked my first girl at 17

[Anonymous No.11353990]

>>11353986

>when you die nothing matters

this is your brain on atheism

[Anonymous No.11353995]

>>11353990
>this your brain on the logical conclusion given the evidence
yes, it most certainly is. when your brain ceases to function it cannot make external valuations of meaning so whatever you leave behind becomes meaningless to you.

[Anonymous No.11354010]

Basically those people have extraversion. They might have advantage competing against stupid people (adolescents and kids), but they are genetic dead ends that will fail in the adult world where the best psychological traits are not being agreeable and being conscientiousness - that is, being the self improvement guys.

[Anonymous No.11354038]

The premise is flawed because self-improvement is already intrinsic to those who seek experiences. The very sports player he mentions doesn't just decide to play sports and then sit on his ass. He pushes himself to make the team and then to actually play the game.

Very little in life will "just happen," and this fact is precisely why someone would remain a socially outcast low-status loser. They didn't make anything happen, and then, surprise: nothing happened.

[Anonymous No.11354046]

>>11354038
>Very little in life will "just happen,"
Yeah but he meant it essentially doesn't take that much efforts
It's a bit like /fit/ retards who think skipping a work-out in a year is the reason why some people can't build muscle
Those who can will build it naturally over time even if they are inconsistent with a shitty diet, whereas the other never will
Likewise, people who can have a social life will have one naturally whereas for the other it will never occur (or if it does it will be a lame one)

[Anonymous No.11354055]

>>11353969
It's true but not because of what he said.
When someone gets into self-improvement he doesn't do it because he's a middle class programmer, or a successful millionaire, or a bouncer getting a bj on a daily basis. It's the lowest status members of society who do it and I'll give you the biggest revelation to prove it: females don't get into self-improvement. Yeah, around all the circlejerk and glorification by marketers you forgot the key fact that this is a male-only thing and realizing that only males do it is exactly one step before the realization that they do it to compensate for a trait that is only present in men, which is using your status in society as a means of peacocking.
Now that you're aware of the underlying dynamics of this I'll leave it to you to draw your own conclusions as to whether self-improvement is cringe or not. The true self-improvement i.e the one where you get close to enlightenment or philosophical clarity is the one where you seclude yourself from society and sort your thoughts out without succumbing to instincts, it's in fact the direct opposite of you lifting, making money and going out. The latter is a projection of your desire to fuck, one that's stemming from desperation and scarcity.

[Anonymous No.11354056]

>>11353969
Is he even making an argument?
"No normal person ever had to self-improve to kiss a girl"
The only logical implication is that if you have to self-improve to kiss a girl, you're not normal (a normie).
It sounds like he's making a case that self-improvement is bullshit, but that doesn't follow.

[Anonymous No.11354060]

>>11354046
>Those who can will build it naturally over time even if they are inconsistent with a shitty diet, whereas the other never will

hahahahhaahahahahahahhahaha

[Anonymous No.11354069]

>>11354060
I disagree with that too, even if there are different predispositions

[Anonymous No.11354070]

>>11353969
what I dont get is why people aren't talking about legalize human genetic engineering.
the solution looks painfully obvious

[Anonymous No.11354078]

>>11354046
>Those who can will build it naturally over time
How exactly do you propose that they're doing it naturally if you're also supposing that putting in the effort is not natural? And do you know that they're not putting in the effort or are you just pulling that one out of your ass?

Likewise with the socialites. I would think that they got the skill by practicing it and that the unskilled ones are those who didn't practice it.

[Anonymous No.11354087]

>>11354078
As I said putting in the effort is natural, overdoing it isn't. You need to put a reasonable effort but you do not need to have a perfect diet and never skip a workout in a year.

Your argument is essentially
>people choose to be unhappy
or
>people are too stupid to find a simple solution
You are severely underestimating the amount of efforts people are ready to try to get out of being miserable. It just stops at some point when nothing works, obviously, which is why some people end up stuck in their bed not able to go about their lives.

[Anonymous No.11354090]

>>11353986
>>11353990
>>11353995
>No evidence to prove either
Neither math nor science

[Anonymous No.11354101]

>>11353969
It's not wrong, but it's not just genetics. It's also your memetic identity. If you never learned to socialize and navigate your way in society, you'll never think of yourself as normal.

I do think self improvement is possible though. Not through nofap or shit like that, but by being self-critical and trying to understand other people's perspectives. Also be more interesting by doing interesting things. At least that worked for me.

[Anonymous No.11354102]

>>11353969
i have taken a blackpill

[Anonymous No.11354104]

>>11353986
You're literally just a waste of resources. You do nothing but consume the labor of others around you and then shit the bed when it's your turn to continue. Why don't you do the world a favor and kill yourself?

[Anonymous No.11354107]

>>11354104
Contribute*

[Anonymous No.11354119]

>>11353981
This. Even if it is something basic like “I am not going to go after thots anymore I will look for a nice girl to settle down” is self-improvement. Every choice you make has the potential for improving or worsening your life. The OP anon seems to think everyone is on autopilot and no one thinks about their choices; that they are “on rails” and don’t have to make any changes in their lives for success. It’s bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11354147]

[Anonymous No.11354152]

do you guys smell it?

[Anonymous No.11354154]

That very peculiar smell of things to come.

[Anonymous No.11354157]

[Anonymous No.11354168]

Quite wrong my frens, i have started lifting and doing nofap when i was in uni and i managed to get a shit ton of puss.

[Anonymous No.11354177]

>>11354154
nice chart, source?

[Anonymous No.11354191]

>>11354177
OKCupid deleted the blogpost (wonder why?).
You can find the archived version here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100725135317/http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/

[Anonymous No.11354203]

>>11354191
how the fuck is the second guy who's legitimately a 7 at worst "significantly less attractive than the medium"? What the fuck is wrong with females lmao

[Anonymous No.11354207]

>>11354203
You are becoming blackpilled. Tread carefully, bro.

[Anonymous No.11354213]

Want women? Just lift some weights.
Seriously. It isn't hard.

It doesn't matter how ugly you are. Get jacked and women will cream just from talking to you.

[Anonymous No.11354215]

>>11354207
No I'm serious, I can understand them shitting on incels but what's wrong with the second guy that made him unattractive?

>full hair
>not fat
>nice chin
>nice face
>guitar
>not dressed like a nerd

The rest, it's a bit mean to call them lower than the average but I can accept it. That guy on the other hand has zero indicators of being lower than the average. Was he supposed to take a picture of him hugging three other whores in a club as a display of status or something? I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.11354223]

>>11354215
He's skinny and ugly. If you weren't a shitskin yourself you could see that.

[Anonymous No.11354225]

>>11354223
post face and body with a timestamp

[Anonymous No.11354233]

>>11354225
>posting face on 4chan

[Anonymous No.11354235]

>>11354233
cope

[Anonymous No.11354243]

>>11354225

[Anonymous No.11354246]

>>11354233
I have nothing to fear. You dweebs couldn't do anything to me. I'm strapped and highly trained on top of being built like a brick shithouse. Pic is above.

[Anonymous No.11354247]

>>11354243
>that hair line
>that eye area
>tha nose
>that weak jaw and chin
It's over fren

[Anonymous No.11354249]

>>11354243
You do realize that you're on the same level as the 4 guys in that pic, right? If you think that you're the genetic exception who has the right to shittalk people like that, boy are you in for one harsh reality check. Only people like pic related are allowed to type the post your wrote without being outright delusional.

[Anonymous No.11354290]

>>11354249
You mean the skinny-as-fuck guy with the ass chin? Yeah, I'm sure. You dumbass nerds make me laugh.

Fact is you couldn't compare to me and you know it. I get any pussy I want. I can also punch you out.

Dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.11354295]

>>11354290
Dude you are embarassing yourself. Get a grasp on reality.

[Anonymous No.11354299]

>>11354290
>You mean the skinny-as-fuck guy with the ass chin?
>this post coming from this >>11354243 guy

Holy fuck narcissism is a hell of a drug.

[Anonymous No.11354300]

>>11354104
because i'd rather live to see you seethe over my consumption.

[Anonymous No.11354363]

[Anonymous No.11354401]

>>11353970
Seems pretty pointless to work toward goals and achieve them when 99% of the world’s “successful” people are parasites who never had to do that.

[Anonymous No.11354412]

Sometime i shudder by the thought of how horribly spoiled, badly taught and unintelligent I am. But still trying to become better is so much more gratifying than anything else I've done, it doesn't really matter if it's all for naught.

[Anonymous No.11354417]

>>11354412
>horribly spoiled
not your fault
>badly taught
not your fault
>unintelligent
not your fault

[Anonymous No.11354425]

>>11353986
glad to hear you got laid last night but you still need to fuck off

[Anonymous No.11354428]

>>11354246
Ill knock your fucking teeth out, delusional ugly bastard

[Anonymous No.11354431]

How is this /sci/?

[Anonymous No.11354496]

>>11354055
But how come people with girlfriends still do shit like lifting? An unconcious fear of not getting to fuck after an eventual break-up?

[Anonymous No.11354505]

>>11354496
Why are their girlfriends so desperate to have them fatten up by guilt tripping them into eating sweets constantly and telling them that their beer belly is absolutely ok?
It goes both ways.

[Anonymous No.11354521]

>>11354300
I'm not seething that an insect like yourself gets to live. If there's anything I'm frustrated over it's that the culture of today is so incompetent that people like you aren't quickly culled from society when it becomes apparent that there is nothing you're capable of contributing.

[Anonymous No.11354528]

>>11354431
The science of incel production

[Anonymous No.11354538]

>>11354496
A lot of people lift because the physical activity makes them feel good and generally more capable in many other portions of their life. I'm sure many people do continue as part of some insecurities, but honestly being married made me want to lift more than when I was single so that I will continue to be healthy longer into my children's lives.

[Anonymous No.11354550]

>>11354203
>how can they have a different opinion than me
retard

[Anonymous No.11354570]

>>11353969
A lot of people who made sizeable contributions to science, philosophy and art either died virgins, poor, ill, abandoned or a combination of the above.
If that's being genetically unfit for reproduction, it seems to show that humans managed to find a way to do relevant things beyond what simple selective pressures require of them.
In a way, it's almost like some of us can act above the level of biological p-zombie automata. Isn't that amazing?
Now go back into worrying about why girls don't fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11354571]

>>11353969
Serious question, requiring scientifically backed, paper form reviews only:
How is it demonstrated that females of any species have a perfect decision making algorithm for "male fitness"?
How does a female chimpanzee know what a "fit male" is? Same for humans? How are they not choosing just the biggest one out of instinct? How is the biggest one the most genetically fit for literally every scenario in life?

In other words, why does anyone still give a shit about this kind of evolutionary psychology shit in 2020, when being "the fittest" male has absolutely nothing to do with the origins of mankind, yet the decision making is still roughly the same (as in the OP picture).

[Anonymous No.11354573]

>>11354571
>ever doubting the omniscient female selection abilities
oh boy you're in for a ride
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway

[Anonymous No.11354595]

>>11353969
That post is retarded.
Most of these so called Chads were into sports, training and more chad things since early age, making them physically attractive even as teenagers. Many of them also had functional households and were imbued with a certain kind of confidence.
To believe that all of these things just "happen" to the average joe without any real effort because they were born this way is a cope, nothing else. You're telling yourself that it is out of your hands and that you cannot change anything about your situation or your status through taking the initiative and engaging in Self-Improvement.
The reason many people were not as lucky and had trouble both in socializing and in looks are plentiful. Neglectful parents, shitty upbringing, emotional abandonment, general shyness. It usual has to do with the fact that they were neither animated to pursue such things at younger ages nor where they given that natural sense of confidence.
To claim that you cannot change anything is, again, a cope, because it is never too late for that and who are you to talk about these things when all you know about yourself in terms of looks and behavior is your current situation as an antisocial virgin.
All of us have the potential to become confident go getters, given enough training and jumping over our own shadows.
The truth is just that nobody wants you for your potential. So unless you realize this potential nothing will change, and due to nothing changing, posts like the OP pic are created to justify your meaningless existence and to tell yourself that you were lost from the start, just so you don't have to get out of bed in the morning and do your fucking pushups.
Other people may have had it easier than you and you aren't going to get that time back. But what you can do is make the best out of the days you still have in front of you and make sure that, in the future, you will live the life that you didn't get when you were younger.

[Anonymous No.11354628]

>>11354573
Thanks, this explains an intuition I had for the longest time.

[Anonymous No.11354631]

>>11354215
>>11354203
women are arbitrary and capricious with men because even the best male is more replaceable than the best female. eggs are precious, even elite sperm is relatively cheap

[Anonymous No.11354637]

>>11354595
You have it backward. Functional family never had an impact on chadness. Chad gets into sports BECAUSE he's chad, not the other way around. No chad ever hit the gym, and very few chads actually were ever doing any sports, but they all had hobbies because, being chads, everyone enjoys doing whatever he's doing with him and he doesn't find interacting with people to be exhausting.
All of this is chad privilege and only normalfags think everyone is like themselves (that's what defines normalfags after all).
In other words, kill yourself normalfag.

[Anonymous No.11354647]

>>11354637
>Functional family never had an impact on chadness

Nah, im sure, getting loved, supported and encouraged to pursue sports and be outgoing has no impact on development whatsoever.

>No chad ever hit the gym
Are you retarded.

>very few chads actually were ever doing any sports
Lmao.

>but they all had hobbies because, being chads, everyone enjoys doing whatever he's doing with him and he doesn't find interacting with people to be exhausting.

Nigger you've got some Highschool trauma. People like you attempt to rationalize your own failures by claiming you lost from the start. You probably also claim that Chads always end up in high paying jobs without any effort or serious commitment.
Granted some of these people simply have better genes, as in, they still look good untrained because of their faces, but take literally any chad, take away grooming, adequate hair style, training, decent sense of clothing and have him play videa for 14h a day and you will have a /r9k/ tier wreck as good as the next one.
But I can understand where you're coming from. Naturally it's easier to tell yourself theres no point so you don't even have to begin to try doing anything about it.

[Anonymous No.11354648]

>>11354595
Very based and wise post