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scientifically speaking where did it evolutionarily all go wrong?

>> No.11316490

>>11316486
What do you mean? Humans are kick ass.

>> No.11316495

>>11316486

Complex consciousness. Being able to feel pain and think things is great for passing genes on, but has all kinds of horrible side effects, most of which are completely irrelevant for gene passage.
This is especially true for humans now that we, on average, live way past the parts of our lives where we are most reproductive.

Simpler forms of life can outnumber us by orders of magnitude while not suffering as much as us. It should have stopped there.

>> No.11316498

>>11316495
if evolution is so smart why does it over complicate shit?

>> No.11316504

>>11316498
What specifically are you talking about?

>> No.11316506

eukaryotic nucleus

You guys probably better off sticking with convex Earth and live your life chasing money and earthly pleasures.

>> No.11316508

>>11316486
When we artificially decided that millions of years of naturally selecting for strength, wisdom, talent, etc. was unfair to the dross of society and decided to flip all social paradigms built to even vaguely mimic such right the fuck over.

Because who gives a shit if 70% of Muslims are violent, inbred monsters, diversity is our strength and you're a bigot to say otherwise.

>> No.11316512

>>11316495
>Simpler forms of life can outnumber us by orders of magnitude while not suffering as much as us.

Nor feel as much pleasure, or achieve anything comparable.

> It should have stopped there.

Kill your self, then.

>> No.11316528

>>11316498
Evolution finds good enough answers, not perfect answers

>> No.11316529

>>11316512
>Kill your self, then.
I didn't ask to be born, but since I was I need to try to minimize the amount of suffering I go through in this life. Trying suicide is risky due to the chance of botching it and ending even worse off.
"Achieving things" is something only humans care about. An ostrich can run faster than any human that has ever existed but it doesn't think of that as an achievement.
Bacteria have outnumbered humans and existed far longer than them, and will prolly continue existing after we are gone, and they don't think of that as an achievement.

Achievements are much like the Oscars. Some arbitrary thing humans define as a trophy and give to themselves to feel good about it.

>> No.11316537

>>11316529
>I didn't ask to be born, but since I was I need to try to minimize the amount of suffering I go through in this life.

What a fag. It’s obvious you’re a depressed cretin.

> "Achieving things" is something only humans care about. An ostrich can run faster than any human that has ever existed but it doesn't think of that as an achievement.

Yeah ostriches are fucking stupid and haven’t landed on the moon.

> Achievements are much like the Oscars. Some arbitrary thing humans define as a trophy and give to themselves to feel good about it.

Doesn’t matter. Feels good. Humans are the best.

>> No.11316538

>>11316537
>Yeah ostriches are fucking stupid and haven’t landed on the moon.
neither have you desu

>> No.11316541

>>11316529
>Trying suicide is risky due to the chance of botching it and ending even worse off
Bullshit, there's ways to do it that are pretty much 100% sure to kill you. You're just an attention whore who cries about life being so shitty, but does nothing about it.

>> No.11316544

>>11316538
this, if you so smart anon how come you not land on moon like dumb ostrich?

>> No.11316545

>>11316538
> neither have you desu

Some humans have, so humans are better than anything else alive. We flex our total domination by casually wiping out multiple species daily

>> No.11316548

>>11316545
if you can take credit for what other humans do why can't the ostrich take credit for what other animals do?

>> No.11316553

>>11316548
Ostriches have tiny retard brains and no civilization to speak of

>> No.11316556

>>11316537
>It’s obvious you’re a depressed cretin.

Yeah I guess you convinced me. Humans landed on the moon, so all the unnecessary suffering caused by disease, famine, violence, mental health diseases and whatnot is justified.

Out of the 100 billion humans who have ever existed, a few stepped on the floaty rock in the sky, so it justifies every bit of unnecessary suffering ever felt by every human person.

If one day we discovered a way of removing that suffering from life I'm sure you would choose to still become ill with incurable diseases and whatnot and enjoy the hell out of cancer and that kind of stuff just because you're a tough badass. Thing is some of us are not as stupid as you.

>> No.11316560

that's pretty subjective. do humans with inferior brain size who never stopped hunter gathering also get credit for moon landings?

>> No.11316561

>>11316541
Name a single way.
Hard-mode: You're not American and you can't just go to the local supermarket and buy a shotgun and rocket launcher.

>> No.11316562

>>11316556
>nobody wants to have sex with me, life is so unfair

>> No.11316565

>>11316562
>projecting so hard you accidentally prove astral projection is real

>> No.11316566

>>11316556
>Humans landed on the moon, so all the unnecessary suffering caused by disease, famine, violence, mental health diseases and whatnot is justified.

Just kill yourself or try and kill a bunch of people if you take negative utilitarianism seriously. You don’t, so don’t bother shitposting about it.

>> No.11316569

>>11316553
how dare you say that of the proud and noble ostrich people, bigot?

>> No.11316570

>>11316561
Just breathe in nitrogen or helium with the right set up

>> No.11316572

>>11316556
>If one day we discovered a way of removing that suffering from life I'm sure you would choose to still become ill with incurable diseases and whatnot and enjoy the hell out of cancer and that kind of stuff just because you're a tough badass.

lolno. I believe the capacity for negative qualia should be eliminated if and when it becomes possible.

>> No.11316574

>>11316562
>implying this isn't how everyone here feels

>> No.11316575

>>11316574
Speak for yourself, incel.

>> No.11316577

>>11316575
come now, we're all incels here.

>> No.11316582

>>11316577
Speak for yourself, incel. You desire a sense of community you so desperately desire but it will not be found here.

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>>11316582

>> No.11316591

>>11316582
what if he's also a pseud who derives his happiness from trying to feel superior to internet strangers?

>> No.11316596

>>11316589
Not r9k. Go there if you want to cry about women not wanting to touch your pp.

>> No.11316597

>>11316591
woah literally me

>> No.11316598

>>11316566

Something about this topic makes supposedly smart people act in the stupidest ways. What part of "minimizing overall suffering" leads you to the conclusion of "HURRRRR kill a lot of people"? What part of not wishing to be born leads you to the conclusion that you may decide over the life of others? To imagine that killing people doesn't cause pain in others? Are you really that dense?

And again, if you had even the littlest bit of empathy in you, and the littlest bit of knowledge in mental health matters, you would know it's not so easy to just kill yourself for infinitely many reasons. Not the least of which living in a society that scares you constantly that you'll go to hell and suffer for eternity if you do it, despite the actual difficulties of doing it and overriding every self preservation instinct in your body. The total lack of comprehension by people like you is definitely something that doesn't help make reality any better.

You are not striving to reduce the suffering of others. You think everything is justified if at least one of us steps on a far away rock. I don't.

>> No.11316603

>>11316591
That’s common for incels. They like to cope by imagining they’re hyper-intelligent. Your perception of your own intelligence is very susceptible to delusion in comparison to other abilities like, say, strength, so it’s the ability unimpressive people trend towards identifying with.

>> No.11316604

>>11316596
but i wanna scientifically speak about the evolutionary purpose of things with other guys who can't find women to touch their peepees so i here.

>> No.11316608

>>11316603
another common thing for incels is to deny they are incels.

>> No.11316610

>>11316528
Sounds a lot like "he works in mysterious ways". What makes you think your mechanisms for evil and suffering are any more coherent than the average Bible thumper?

>> No.11316612

>>11316603
so we agree that if he's a pseud who derives his happiness from trying to feel superior to internet strangers and also has no self awareness then he in fact can find a sense of community here

>> No.11316613

>>11316598
>What part of "minimizing overall suffering" leads you to the conclusion of "HURRRRR kill a lot of people"?

If everyone died, the suffering in the world would decrease, so if minimizing suffering is what we “ought” to do, then killing everyone is good.

> What part of not wishing to be born

You’re depressed. Your life sucks. Keep it to yourself and your therapist.

>> No.11316615

>>11316608
No, they actually seem to believe this when it isn’t the case, and desire to convince other people that they’re incels as well. You should have lurked on /r/braincels.

>> No.11316622

>>11316613
Are you ever gonna start giving serious arguments? Your current plan to minimize suffering only works if a person kills literally every single other human in the planet. You think this is something feasible? You think this wouldn't fail and leave a massive amount of people in a vastly worse suffering scenario, if it failed half way? Are you being stupid on purpose?

>You’re depressed. Your life sucks. Keep it to yourself and your therapist.
So you can deal with literally everything life may through at you, no problem, but the sight of a person talking about their suffering is enough to derail you this hard that you just have to make them disappear?
Wow you surely seem tough.

>> No.11316657

>>11316486
Do you really believe there is a right way for evolution? You're not talking about science.

>> No.11317754

>>11316490
most humans are monkeys. Like 1/10th of humans could be considered intelligent monkeys. And like .1 percent could be considered human.

>> No.11318158

The point at which existentialism became possible. Dogs never have an existential crisis, they just enjoy life.

>> No.11318238

>>11316495
>most of which are completely irrelevant for gene passage.
Then they are hardly horrible in a evolutionary sense. It doesn't matter how much we suffer internally since our basic instincts will ensure our species' survival. It's also a very philosophical debate. We wouldn't have this problem without qualia...but this discussion will never have a real end....so...

>> No.11318284

>>11316486
when OP was born

>> No.11318303
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11318303

>>11316486
evolutionarily speaking, we wouldn't be in this mess if my ancestors didn't like colonizing white pussy

>> No.11318311

>it doesn't fit with my self imposed standards so it must be bad
the number one rule of evolution is that if it survives it stays