/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11307050]

Is psychology literally just a huge scam? I already went to three psychologists to fix my social anxiety and all they ever say is that I should talk to more people and get confident. But even if I can trust one person the symptoms still persist with everyone else. I have been talking to people all my life and it doesn't solve anything. No solution. No scientific method. They all just sit there and take your money after giving you an advice you could find in a chinese cookie. Why do we allow this? Why do universities allow this? What the fuck?

[Anonymous No.11307061]

>>11307050
The point is to get to a place where there is a solution, like math
They're not there yet and it sucks
I'm an econ major so I know how this feels

[Anonymous No.11307071]

>>11307050
You're a weeb therefore you deserve social anxiety and bulli.

[Anonymous No.11307260]

>>11307050
Yes everything is a scam.
I still don't get how civilization is actually surviving considering how much is a scam

[Anonymous No.11307336]

>>11307050
>Is psychology literally just a huge scam?
meh its 50/50
you cant "fix" mental issues, only manage symptoms

[Anonymous No.11307340]

>>11307260
the spice must flow

[Anonymous No.11307342]

>>11307050
>Psychology
Not science or math

[Anonymous No.11307374]

>>11307050
We do "we" clamp, vaccinate, circumcise, picotin, vitmain K, fluoridate, brominate, irradiate, chlorimate[...]. I think the source of much of this is the delusion that there is a we, to begin with. There is no we. There are those who are strong and have foresight and connection with their inner value system, such that they may live for their own lead, there are those who are weak, malleable, hedonistic followers, who do what others do with little thought beyond it. The great failure of those who were awake over the last 100 years was assuming that "if they just knew" this wouldn't be going on. In reality, whatever the cause, as it stands they have no agency, are useless, and will serve whatever powers they are subject to. It doesn't matter what you expose, what you say, what you do, what you prove, even what threats or carrots you dangle, they will keep doing exactly what they are currently doing, and this is at least 95% of people in nearly all contexts beyond the occasional pet issue someone may have.

They not only require, but desire, subjugation, no matter what they say to the contrary. Brutal, unpalatable... true. It took me quite a while to finally truly accept that people can really just be retarded. Everything after that point was fleshing out the manner, degree, and basis of that retardation of man.

Since you realize the world is one big scam, sorry to say, I think you know deep down what you're here for.

[Anonymous No.11307400]

>>11307050
>social anxiety
its called being shy
that's life. get used to it.
don't give your energy to quaks.

[Anonymous No.11307444]

>>11307050
You're probably over-analyzing life and over thinking everything, I think I've read somewhere that a majority of the thoughts that run through people's head are usually fallacy or misinformation, you are fine, you just need to relax. No, not everyone is looking at you or thinking about you as you walk down the street, anxiety is a meme just like adhd.

[Anonymous No.11307450]

>>11307400
>its called being shy
You can call it being extremely or overly shy or whatever. The name doesn't matter. It's a problem and psychologists should be able to give you a solution or a real advice. Otherwise why did they waste five years of their life studying this shit?

[Anonymous No.11307453]

>>11307342
Then why is it regarded as such? That's the point of the thread

[Anonymous No.11307454]

>>11307050
it's genetic you're fucked.

[Anonymous No.11307463]

>>11307050
I think most psychology is a scam.
Right now I'm a fan of the theory of most abnormal behavior manifesting itself due to coping behaviors developed in childhood and adolescence. Its deeper than your conscious thoughts.
You cant make conscious decisions to not be anxious when your subconscious is using outdated and improper tools to ensure your wellbeing, in this case staying invisible, out of the way, or being "the awkward one."

But this is all just mostly theory, so who the hell knows. It's all just people who think they're right teaching students their theories in perpetuity.

[Anonymous No.11307468]

>>11307050
>tfw meditation cured my anxiety but I still can't talk to people

[Anonymous No.11307512]

>>11307444
>just relax bro
thats like telling a schizophrenic the voices arent real

[Anonymous No.11307520]

>>11307463
>theory of most abnormal behavior manifesting itself due to coping behaviors developed in childhood and adolescence.
>literally half the scientific literature

[Anonymous No.11307524]

>>11307050
Have sex

[Anonymous No.11307716]

>>11307050
are you a girl?

[Anonymous No.11307759]

>>11307512
Becauae they aren't. The "voices" that schiznophernics hear are really just self conversations that they're having.

[Anonymous No.11307769]

>>11307759
That's not his point, you autist

[Anonymous No.11307770]

>>11307468
you can either be a failed normie or a chad introvert

[Anonymous No.11307772]

>>11307769
Except I actually covered his point if you were paying attention. Just like how Schizophernics "hearing" voices is silly, so is social anxiety. The real reason why OP has social anxiety is because he has a bad perception of human interaction, probably due to a bad experience. All he really needs to do is go outside and realize its all in his mind. Also, he needs to stop browsing this site because its also clearly warping his perception on human interaction as well.

[Anonymous No.11307782]

>>11307050
Social anxiety is just a habit/an environmentally acquired trait, so if you don't really try to get rid of it, you won't.

[Anonymous No.11307794]

>>11307782
It's not habit. Sometimes it goes back to conditioning starting in very early childhood. Later on, certain conflicts or dilemmas connect to that underlying basis. This creates the anxiety.

[Anonymous No.11307881]

>>11307759
How is a conversation not real?
You basically just tried to say its not real because its just some thing.

[Anonymous No.11307892]

Psychology consists of the pseudoscience of wellness and the empirical science of behavioral study.
I wouldn't recommend going to a psychologist to solve personal problems but there's a chance you could find one who can solve group behavioral problems.

But advice nonetheless. The greatest factors in a person's behavior and thus their mental state is first environment second genetics.
Since you can't alter your own genetics it would be a good idea to change your environment if possible either socially or geographically. It all depends, it could be too little sunlight, dampness or overcrowding. The largest mistake would be to change nothing about it.

[Anonymous No.11308091]

>>11307450
What kind of cure against social anxiety do you expect instead of socialising more? Gaining confidence is about building skill. Gaining confidence in social situations is about building skill in being social.

[Anonymous No.11308103]

>>11307050
They can't give you a solution, but they can point you in the direction to find it out yourself

[Anonymous No.11308118]

>>11308103
No they can't, they know nothing about solutions and can only point you in a random direction, but if you do find one, they will gladly claim it was because of them if it improves their compensation.

[Anonymous No.11308367]

>>11307050
What did you expect to happen, that things would magically get better and you would be a normie within a few weeks of starting?

[Anonymous No.11308639]

>>11308367
>dude why did you go to a doctor, were you seriously expecting he'd cure you?

[Anonymous No.11308643]

>>11307050
Talking only works if you are not insane, if you have Social Anxiety Disorder you need chemicals to fuck with your brain in order to deal with it not talking.

[Anonymous No.11308644]

>>11307400
Social Anxiety is not shyness its an uncontrollable level of self awareness that randomly activates making one unable to be happy in social situations. Someone with SAD becomes randomly nervous in crowds against their control.

[Anonymous No.11308774]

>>11307374
Based and purple-pilled

[Anonymous No.11308797]

Scientific method for a very personal mental problem? Are you serious?! You now just realize that some problems by throwing pills or formulae at it.
>>11307759
Schizo != personality disorder.

[Anonymous No.11308800]

>>11308103
Correct.

[Anonymous No.11308804]

>>11308639
That doesn't function like getting a vaccination...

[Anonymous No.11308805]

Generally speaking
>psychologist
Identify and diagnose disorders or illnesses
>psychiatrist
Prescribe meds based off of symptoms
>therapist
Working through issues through therapy and creating plans for betterment
You're going to the wrong profession OP, unless you think you might have a genuine disorder in which case you should bring that up.

[Anonymous No.11309184]

>>11307050
>Is psychology literally just a huge scam?\

Yes.

[Anonymous No.11309190]

>>11307050
Yep , it is.
Go to a psychiatrist so he will give u ssri and some other shit .

[Anonymous No.11309452]

>>11308805
You're only talking about clinical psychology. For example Amazon and Google's AI are also psychological projects. You interface human behavior with technology, without a certain observation of human behavior it can't work.

[Anonymous No.11310036]

>>11309190
Do not take ssris they will fuck you up

[Anonymous No.11310070]

>>11310036
make ur peepee no work ;^(

[Anonymous No.11310127]

>>11307050

[Anonymous No.11312063]

>>11307374
this is the only legit answer

[Anonymous No.11312122]

>>11307374
clamped and vaxxed

[Anonymous No.11312133]

>>11307050
If you want to cure your social anxiety, get your amygdala surgically destroyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M._(patient)
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=66498.0
https://www.healthboards.com/boards/panic-disorders/1018844-amygdala-removal.html
https://www.depressionforums.org/forums/profile/137263-rossala/

[Anonymous No.11312149]

>>11312133
Oh see dere ya go anon, that'll do it! Why not jus go get dat dun, rite? I mean it sounds good enuf.

[Anonymous No.11312154]

>>11307374
What yoou are saying that he born to get scammed

[Anonymous No.11312157]

>>11307050
>>11312133
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn26483-arachnophobia-chopped-out-of-a-mans-brain/

[Anonymous No.11312210]

>>11307050
>What the fuck?
Basically.

[Anonymous No.11312756]

>>11312133
Get rid of your fear response today and become a perfect drone who doesn't care about losing limbs in machinery.

[Anonymous No.11313100]

>>11308804
It doesn't function like going to any other kind of doctor either.
Actually more similar to priestly counseling.

[Anonymous No.11313179]

>>11307453
>Then why is it regarded as such?
By whom?

[Anonymous No.11313337]

>>11307050
Did you tell your psychiatrists this? What did they respond? If you are unhappy with their advice, you need to tell them because they are aware that what works for many might not work for everyone, and so they can adjust their therapy strategy. Even psychiatrists can't read minds.

[Anonymous No.11313602]

>>11309184
>pSyChOlOgY dOeSnT uSe dA sCiEnTiFiC mEthOd

where did this meme come from?

[Anonymous No.11315033]

>>11313179
By society. We live in a society

[Anonymous No.11315091]

>>11313602
From the fact it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.11315116]

>>11313602
>where did this meme come from?
Reality.

[Anonymous No.11315134]

Are you actually diagnosed with social anxiety by a certified professional or are you just using that term to describe your inability to socialize?

[Anonymous No.11315136]

>>11307050
Are you actually diagnosed with social anxiety by a certified professional or are you just using that term to describe your inability to socialize?

[Anonymous No.11315138]

>>11307050
i was like you, it was only an accident that i changed for the better. your problem is youre judging what the therapist has to say and not letting what he says enter into your heart, except the barrier to your heart is your mind, and your mind so strongly defends its identity with logic about something is wrong with the psychology

what are you afraid of if you just take what someone says to you and think about it genuinely? what do you have to lose if you enter into a conversation with a therapist and for just 1 hour you are not yourself, not over analyzing and using endless amount of logic, is it a coincidence older men comment about the youth and their endless pursuit of logic and pride?

[Anonymous No.11315158]

>>11307050
>I already went to three psychologists to fix my social anxiety and all they ever say is that I should talk to more people and get confident
That's most likely not what they're saying, you just probably don't want to listen and come with a ton of preconceived notions and filter everything they say. I.e. you're closed minded.

[Anonymous No.11315159]

>>11315116
As far as I know, psychology requires the use of the scientific method. Psychology is just a relatively new field of study compared to i.e. math or physics so everything is not as "polished"

[Anonymous No.11315219]

>>11315159
you cant really be "objective" purely from extrapolating what people say about their emotions

[Anonymous No.11316482]

>>11307050

[Anonymous No.11316501]

>>11316482
Good thing nobody actually cares about him anymore, eh?
Plus it's not like people like William James were practicing psychology before Freud

[Anonymous No.11316510]

>>11307071
Why are you masochistic?

[Anonymous No.11316554]

That's because you have a good fucking reason to be anxious. Everything's fine and dandy until you pass the small-talk phase and you realize that once you opine about whatever weirdo fuck thing you like, people will think you're a fucking weirdo.

Therapy is bullshit, both in principle, and in practice.

[Anonymous No.11316634]

>>11315159
You can't satisfy the peer review requirements of the scientific method when your discipline has a major reproducibility crisis and psychology has no more long term reproducibility or consistency than phrenology did at the height of its popularity.

>Psychology is just a relatively new field of study
No, psychology dates back to ancient egypt and is older than christianity, you just think it is new because the reproducibility crisis and constantly shifting cultural zeitgeist leads to a revolution in basic psychology tenets every 10-20 years.

[Anonymous No.11316659]

>>11316634
psychiatric medicine has better efficacy than a lot of perscription drug protocols

[Anonymous No.11316667]

>>11316659
Its alot easier to persuade someone to say they don't feel as bad as yesterday than to actually eliminate a disease, infection, or microorganism from their body by tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.11316673]

>>11316667
>psychoactive drugs
>persuade someone

[Anonymous No.11316681]

>>11316673
Yes that is how a placebo works, you give someone something inert and persuade them it is powerful medicine, then they agree that their symptoms are resolved.

[Anonymous No.11316694]

>>11316681
Its a lot easier to simply agree that you have been persuaded that the symptom is resolve when the symptom is sadness rather than a wart or a bloody discharge since a frown is much easier to physically remove than a wart.

[Anonymous No.11316750]

stop being a wimp I had the same thing literally you need to stop being a little baby man up exercise too helps with the breathing etc social anxiety is a scam people that suffer from it usually because they don't work out and all that tension is in their body

[Anonymous No.11316765]

>>11315219
Introspection is widely known as the most unreliable metric in psychology.
So why do you pretend it's some kind of golden standard?

[Anonymous No.11316772]

>>11316765
That was obviously a reference to psychoanalysis and therapy, not introspection.

[Anonymous No.11316781]

>>11316772
Psychoanalysis is only tolerated when it comes to Jung's approach.
If you're talking to someone and he references Freud he's either a psychiatrist (ie a doctor who pretends to know psychology because he went to school for medicine) or a quack. Anyone who has read even a brief history of psychoanalysis or Freud, which is pretty much mandatory in psychological education, knows he was a dangerous snake oil salesman.

[Anonymous No.11316792]

>>11316781
Yes because all psychology is snake oil and it just takes a couple of decades to prove each case wrong due to secrecy and complexity.
If introspection is unreliable, how can therapy clinical psychology or any psychological approach which relies on feedback from introspection be reliable?

[Anonymous No.11316805]

>>11316792
Therapy isn't reliable. Therapists are glorified social workers and have almost nothing to do with the field of psychology. Look up research papers on the effectiveness of therapy and you'll see that it does no better than control groups.
I'm guessing your aversion to the field of psychology is because you know nothing about it.
Psychology collects data the same way any other science does, by conducting experiments and reproducing them to reach a greater understanding of human behavior. Not my fault you feel obligated to add voodoo to it.
Maybe medicine isn't a science either since homeopathy exists.

[Anonymous No.11316831]

>>11316805
Nothing about psychology is reliable hence the reproducibility crisis. We have already dismissed analysis, therapy, diagnosis, psych meds, and introspection ITT, what is actually left of psychology that isn't a psychologist acting as a neuroscientist apprentice while ignoring the actual tenent of psychology?

>Psychology collects data the same way any other science does, by conducting experiments and reproducing them
Except most psychology experiments can not be reproduced for the most part hence the reproducibility crisis.

Medicine isn't a science, pharmacology is a science, but it doesn't actually say anything about how it will affect the behavior and internal feeling of someone using pharma as medicine, it only applies science insofar as the chemistry of mixing chemical compounds with biological physiology.

[Anonymous No.11316838]

>>11307050
if psychology exist as a science is just because there are people who want to find a solution to this. Analyzing different points of view helps psychologists to understand how to deal with these kind of problems, hoping to reach a good answer, one day.

[Anonymous No.11316856]

>>11316831
Yes all those things are dismissed. Why? Well because they're not fucking scientific, how hard is it to understand?
There is no crisis.
Psychology has thousands of longitudinal studies reproduced in every continent on the planet many times over.
You're living in a fantasy where psychology is somehow at odds with itself.

Fraudulent studies exist, in EVERY FIELD OF SCIENCE. And they get quickly recognized as such because of how the scientific method works. This tabloid crisis is nothing but sensationalism brought on by greed. This is nothing new and certainly nothing that somehow refutes any social science, because it's built on the scientific method. There could be millions of studies that are unable to be reproduced and it would still do absolutely nothing in the way of questioning the validity of the effort.
My point: reproduced studies exist in sufficient numbers that this so called crisis means absolutely nothing concrete.
You're inventing a boogieman where it can't exist.

[Anonymous No.11316878]

>>11316856
All pseudoscience is built on the scientific method, you can distinguish it from actual science by the metrics that are made and the adherence to ALL steps of the scientific.

You can keep denying that there are any problems with your favorite pseudoscience, but what are the reliable, physically unassailable, psychometrics, on par with the gram, meter, second, ampere or the kelvin, that have been created by psychology that could make it any more scientific than something like phrenology?

[Anonymous No.11316896]

>>11316878
Wrong.
Pseudoscience is built in opposite of the scientific method. By definition, you fucking twat.
You can study anything with science even telekinesis and astrology. And what result will you get with the scientific method? That it doesn't fucking work.
How can you be so far up your own ass that you deny the validity of the scientific method, applied to anything? Who the fuck ever cared about arbitrary metrics like seconds or kilograms.
Want me to show you a pretty picture of Maslov's pyramid of needs? No it's not an absolute and neither is a fucking second.
What about the bystander effect? Was Pavlov and Skinner just having a fever dream?

I think you're just convinced that studying human behavior is a silly occupation and more power to you, but then say so instead of trying to pretend science not real.

[Anonymous No.11316937]

>>11316896
pseudo- is not the prefix for opposite of
Ascientific or unscientific would be the opposite of scientific.

Pseudo by definition means superficially, so pseudoscience is a something that appears to apply the scientific method, but doesn't fully, such as by skipping steps so as not to actually apply the full scientific method.

>You can study anything with science even telekinesis and astrology. And what result will you get with the scientific method?
If you do it like psychology, you just publish whatever result you want and pay a few shills to agree with your government grants and ignore all the people who can't reproduce your study, instead paying another shill to go on forums and tell everyone that fraudulent studies exist in every field of science and reproducibility is just tabloid sensationalism brought on by greed.

I am not denying the scientific method, I am denying that psychology properly applies peer review to studies preferring semi-regular revolutions in thinking, so can not be said to accurately apply the scientific method.

>Who the fuck ever cared about arbitrary metrics
Scientists, it is the ultimate goal of a scientist and why metrics often get named by scientists and why psychologist hastily come up with thousands of metrics that always end up being too subjective to be taken seriously.

Street magicians comes up with lots of illusional effects, like the Balducci effect, that can be repeated by a skilled practitioner and that most people will be convinced by too, that doesn't mean street magic is scientific.

[Anonymous No.11316941]

>>11316937
Fuck you're retarded and a /pol/fag too, why do I bother.
You didn't even respond to the examples I gave you.

[Anonymous No.11316961]

>>11316941
Search for telekinesis on google scholar and be disappointed in yourself.

Also I responded to every example you gave point by point and you didn't even critique anything specific I mentioned, maybe you should read more slowly so you can actually take the information in since those psychologist are still going to pay you for shilling either way.

[Anonymous No.11318425]

>>11307453
>Then why is it regarded as such?
It isn't Where do you see psychology in STEM?

[Anonymous No.11318497]

>>11307050
ever considered that the psychologists are right and you're the problem? all they say is "get out of your comfort zone more often or nothing will change".

[Anonymous No.11319455]

>>11318497
people with poor social skills have little to no motivation outside of being lonely, theres no intrinsic and identifiable goal for them to keep failing at social interactions so most people never get any less shy

[Anonymous No.11319462]

>>11319455
Reality is that right now no real programs exist to fit everyone.
Often there's talk of Korea or Japan's exclusive society but it's a global problem. Ironically better knowledge of psychology and legislation informed by it would help a lot but there's this "help yourself" sentiment that is very prevalent. Some politics touches on that but it still falls short because it puts populism over pragmatism.
Imagine if your biological calling could be identified at childhood. Everyone in their "God given" calling doing what they were built for. But of course that goes against the idea of freedom that has been ingrained for centuries.
"Anyone can do anything." is the common misconception and that's why many fall by the wayside.

Psychology if advanced could help, and as this thread shows there's very little interest and enough apathy. It has never been more relevant.

[Anonymous No.11319469]

>>11319462
>everything would be better if life was like star trek bro

[Anonymous No.11319471]

>>11319469
I don't watch Star Trek so I don't know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.11319488]

How do I stop feeling inadequate and like a burden? Alternatively, how do I stop desiring affection? If you solve my first problem then I can finally allow myself to start a family but instead if you solve my second problem then I can dedicate the rest of my life to study. I'll be waiting.

[Anonymous No.11319498]

>>11319488
>How do I stop feeling inadequate and like a burden?
Become good at things and stop being a loser.
>Alternatively, how do I stop desiring affection?
You don't, it's normal for humans. Your problem is that you're desperate about it because you think that lack of affection is the root of your problems.

[Anonymous No.11319503]

>>11319498
its the root of his bad fefees

[Anonymous No.11319508]

>>11307050
>But even if I can trust one person the symptoms still persist with everyone else. I have been talking to people all my life and it doesn't solve anything.
What are your symptoms?
Also, I've read psychology textbooks and talked to psychologists, they're all aware that it's mostly bullshit, even more so useless when it comes to applying any of it in therapy.
Psychiatrists just get to prescribe meds on top of that.
Do you think the bullshit Jordan Peterson spouts out is science? The degree allows them to do it and get away with it.
Anyway, start by learning how to meditate and it's a no-brainer to practice social interaction and observe your mind, as much as you can, relive scenarios and see what makes you feel more at east. It's not easy.

[Anonymous No.11319509]

>>11319498
I'm already good at things that I'm not a loser. Also, I don't think it's the root of all my problems.

>>11319503
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.11319512]

>>11319509
And I'm not a loser

[Anonymous No.11319576]

>>11307061
>econ major
unironically read Marx and listen to Richard Wolff and you'll understand there's a solution whether you like it or not

[Anonymous No.11320630]

>>11312133
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing!

[Anonymous No.11321011]

>>11319576
Please be bait

[Anonymous No.11322737]

>>11307050
I don't think so it sounds like you went to a bad psychologist.

[Anonymous No.11323881]

>>11307050
Just stop watching porn and masturbating, unironically works for everyone