/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11294055]

Can women truly release pheromones that men can sense when they ovulate thus making them seem more attractive to men?
I thought it wasn't agreed that humans can respond to pheromones? This study suggests it could simply be result of physiologic changes that affect the face and body though. https://www.livescience.com/25457-fertile-women-attractiveness.html
I feel like when I'm around my guy friends and guys in general kind of, 1-2weeks after my period, they act nicer or strange toward me.This seems anecdotal and a self fulfilling prophecy though since it comes to mind now from the time I heard about it 2 years. I do only tend to remember this once I notice their behavior though.
I noticed days this week yet didn't occur to me again until yesterday when I remembered period was was the 27th of dec.
Sorry if this seems super personal. I'm just trying give adequate description to aid in observation.

The evolutionary advantage for this seem all over the place. It implies women were competing for mates and that allowed men more reproductive success if they could pick up on it. Yet, it's also mentioned that women conceal their ovulation unlike other female animals so it allowed them to sleep around more with different males.
This is why evolutionary psych is so pointless sometimes imo, it's all speculation that can't even be agreed upon.

[Anonymous No.11294059]

>>11294055
Not science

>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11294072]

>>11294059
I mean, the chanes in attractiveness are more well documented with studies.
The only change that are controversial are women's preference for different types of men throughout the cycle, is it behavior wise(aggressive or dominant when ovulation) or simply physical size (stronger jaws and body types during ovulation). Perhaps the latter is just heightened because women are hornier though, another inconclusive theory.
The reasons why are definitely
/x/ though.

[Anonymous No.11294138]

Bump.

[Anonymous No.11294193]

>>11294055
You know the drill

[Anonymous No.11294197]

>>11294193
Tits please

[Anonymous No.11294205]

>>11294193
What?
This is a valid post trying to provoke discussion. If you want to view it as me trying to get attention, that's your own fault and own bias.
This is why this board is trash. Let the other e be the slightest implication that a post is written by a female and the post is trash...
Meanwhile we will respond to wojaks, pepe, and chad memes all days.
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11294211]

>>11294055
>This is why evolutionary psych is so pointless sometimes imo, it's all speculation that can't even be agreed upon
any purpose that biological features serve is retroactively inferred, of course it's speculation

[Anonymous No.11294235]

>>11294211
Yeah, so what's the point?

[Anonymous No.11294239]

>>11294235
What's the point of anything? You're not going to find certainty anywhere

[Anonymous No.11294241]

>>11294055
Why not? Humans are animals and we smell stuff. It may be a negative tho. During ovulation, there is less nasty pussy smell and the woman isn't so much a bitch. Perfume makes one more humpable, ergo, the lack of stinch is a better relative smell. I don't have much experience with vaginas but I receive more flirtation when I smell a bit too manly for my taste. Pretty sure there is something to it.

[Anonymous No.11294251]

>>11294055
>This is why evolutionary psych is so pointless sometimes imo, it's all speculation that can't even be agreed upon.

You had to say it, right brainlet?

Why are women incapable of deductive reasoning? Where is your confidence in drawing conclusions, looking for answers?

[Anonymous No.11294253]

>>11294211
Also, I'd argue, just because a biological function occurs, doesnt mean it has a direct behavioral effects.
Human women get nicer skin, longer hair thicker hair when they are pregnant but this does not serve some behavioral function. It's s ik imply a consequence of higher cardiac output and decreased vascular resistance that allows more perfusion to tissues and organs like kidney(more filtration, peeing out toxins, abs thirst) and hair follicles.

[Anonymous No.11294259]

>>11294253
It could fend off an ass womping and protect the fetus from its mom's smart mouth.

[Anonymous No.11294271]

>>11294251
I can ductively reason, but that has it's limits in scientific realms and understanding natural phenomenon if that is all you will rely on. We can't really test these things or at least find a correlation other than "this gender seems to do this more than the other." You're trying to break down why a trait occurs the way it does purely with inference on what function it could serve behaviorally or a behavior and and what function it can serve biologically.
It works fine in an debates or general logic but fails I think, in mapping out something as complex with why people do certain things. The reason could be anything from a completely irrational: because they want to " or some specific experience that drives this person's behavior.
Also this

[Anonymous No.11294275]

>>11294259
>>11294253
Simply*
>>11294259
Wait what?

[Anonymous No.11294283]

>>11294239
Yeah but we can argue more certainty in some places than others, evolutionary psych just isn't it.
Same with psych in general tbf. The nature of what is being studies is too irrational while at the same time complex.

[Anonymous No.11294302]

>>11294275
Im just saying the prego glo has incidental evolutionary advantages.

[Anonymous No.11294315]

Abstract

To see whether estrus was really “lost” during human evolution (as researchers often claim), we examined ovulatory cycle effects on
tip earnings by professional lap dancers working in gentlemen's clubs. Eighteen dancers recorded their menstrual periods, work shifts, and
tip earnings for 60 days on a study web site. A mixed-model analysis of 296 work shifts (representing about 5300 lap dances) showed an
interaction between cycle phase and hormonal contraception use. Normally cycling participants earned about US$335 per 5-h shift during
estrus, US$260 per shift during the luteal phase, and US$185 per shift during menstruation. By contrast, participants using contraceptive
pills showed no estrous earnings peak. These results constitute the first direct economic evidence for the existence and importance of
estrus in contemporary human females, in a real-world work setting. These results have clear implications for human evolution, sexuality,
and economics.

www.unm.edu/~gfmiller/cycle_effects_on_tips.pdf

[Anonymous No.11294336]

>>11294302
Possibly but we already know why it occurs so anything else that happens, just happens. That's literally my point.
I dont understand how any of what you said could relate remotely to it though.
I'd say it would also be helpful in incidentally keeping your mate around that could help you put during your pregnancy.
This would only be helpful if mate is the father though. Still, it definitely shouldn't guarentee that. Your make can simply continue fucking around with women who aren't preggo.

[Anonymous No.11294341]

>>11294315
Yeah, I saw that study. It was pretty weird.
I really wonder how they designed it.
I hate how much of these psych studies, as clever as their design, still have to rely on surveys and patient report.

[Anonymous No.11294357]

>>11294341
Self-reports of quantifiable things like dollars are pretty reliable, no ?

[Anonymous No.11294375]

>>11294341
How else are they supposed to work?Isn't psychology the study of human behavior and not the study of neurons and mental processes?

[Anonymous No.11294396]

>>11294055
There are changes in cervical fluid and temperature upon ovulation.

[Anonymous No.11294405]

>>11294396
redpill me

[Anonymous No.11294408]

Well if you take a group of woman living in an apartment, they all sync up with the alpha woman in menstruation

[Anonymous No.11294410]

>>11294408

Period syncing is also known as “menstrual synchrony” and “the McClintock effect.” It's based on the theory that when you come in physical contact with another person who menstruates, your pheromones influence each other so that eventually, your monthly cycles line up

So the alpha has the best chance to breed

[Anonymous No.11294411]

>>11294055
i hate women desu

[Anonymous No.11294412]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstrual_synchrony

Has been disputed

[Anonymous No.11294416]

>>11294411

I hate idiots

[Anonymous No.11294418]

>>11294416
>t. self-hating

[Anonymous No.11294420]

>>11294412
>Women's string figure depicting the "menstrual blood of three women", illustrating the Yolngu people's tribal mythology of menstrual synchrony[1]

Wat

[Anonymous No.11294430]

>>11294420

[Anonymous No.11294432]

>>11294418

no u

[Anonymous No.11294452]

>>11294357
Hopefully, still people for whatever reason still make mistakes when recounting things or are biased in their reporting.
I didn't thoroughly read the methods, did they check their hormone levels as well to verify the phase of the menstrual cycle they were in?

[Anonymous No.11294453]

>>11294375
Yeah I know but that's the unfortunate thing about psych and what makes it so hard to study despite how interesting it seems.
The very nature of what it is trying to study is irrational and elusive.

[Anonymous No.11294473]

>>11294396
Yeah, but our noses aren't strong enough to sniff that though unlike other animals. Humans are primarily visual and +/- auditory.
Bats and some other animals are still a bit better at the latter though. >>11294408
>>11294410
I dont think "alpha" has anything to do with it. How are you using the term? The woman who just happens to be currently on her mensus simply causes the other girls around her to synch up who aren't such that their mensus will occur at similar times. It's a competitive strategy to make sure that one woman isn't on her ovulation day while you're stuck on your mensus day so to speak. You know, just in case some dude comes around.

[Anonymous No.11294478]

women don't like evo psych because it reveals their shitty side, how they manipulate men and society as a whole to their own benefit, etc

of course all know men are selfish, aggressive rape machines who need to check their privilege, the media makes no bones about reminding us of that. but make mention of women exchanging sex for resources [in the context of marriage], only being sexually attracted on a primal level to a small x percentage of men, as well as females not having been selected for anything other than attractiveness/ability to produce children throughout our evolutionary history, thus perhaps explaining the disproportionate rate of male inventiveness/genius/whatever, people get upset and shoot the messenger /shrug

[Anonymous No.11294488]

>>11294473
>noses aren't strong enough
Some of this must be that we do not take advantage of and strengthen our ability. You show so yourself. People are subconsciously detecting.

[Anonymous No.11294530]

>>11294055
tits or gtfo

[Anonymous No.11294531]

[Anonymous No.11294605]

>>11294055
>1-2 weeks after my period, they act nicer or strange toward me.
Are you sure that's the case? Do you tell them you're on your period, or do you act slightly different when you're on it. Don't look at yourself and say yes or no, ask your buddies if they can tell when you're on your period or why they act that way to you. Also, see if this also affects other females.

[Anonymous No.11294656]

>>11294055
>when I remembered period was was the 27th of dec
Do women really forget such things??

Anyways, we have had stories about synchronised menstrual cycles in women living close together. This is supposedly caused by chemicals released in the air.

[Anonymous No.11294664]

>>11294478
What?? Why are you so bitter here? No, a lot of people don't like evolutionary psych for the same reasons they dont like psychology and social sciences in general.
It's hard to test for sure due to the nature of it. In the case of evolutionary psych, it's even worse because you can't test at all.

Believe me, feminists dont think men are all selfish rape machines at heart. Im not even sure if evolutionary psych necessarily says this. All humans are pretty selfish.
I actually think it's men and partriachial sensibilities that make it seem that way what with teaching not to get rape rather than dont rape(as if that is some astronomical task that men's primal urges just can't allow them to accomplish).
Feminists get pissed and call men out for their b.s because they know they can do better(many already do). So do better.

[Anonymous No.11294667]

God why are females so hot I cannot explain it even the suggestiveness of their secretions is hot AAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.11294672]

>>11294656
No, not really. I just do because I'm kind of irresponsible.
But it probably doesnt matter since I'm not sexually active or anything.

So you think synchrojnized cycles are driven by pheromones?

[Anonymous No.11294714]

>>11294605
They never know when I'm on my period usually.
I don't think I've ever had them say I specifically act differently on my period. Maybe I'm more tired looking? That is
I've noticed it with other guys I just meet too though. Like at work, some interview, or conference.
I do need to be more cognizant about how I am on my period though and that 1-2 week interval, particularly how random guys respond to me then. Otherwise, it definitely isn't meaningful observations. I dress up professionally alot for what I do but near my friends, including guys, I'm usually basic as fuck /fa/shion wise and not very glamorous. Thus, I dont think I change my appearances drastically between those times and situations.

[Anonymous No.11294725]

>>11294667
Also, I dont know how to ask other females about this or how to tell them to start making these observations lol. I admit it seems weird to care this much but I'm just curious to the validity of these theories.

[Anonymous No.11294745]

>>11294055
Three black men and a white women. Damn, already back then they figured out the best combination

[Anonymous No.11294746]

>>11294605
Also, I dont know how to ask my female friends about this or how to tell them to start making these observations lol. I admit it seems weird to care this much but I'm just curious to the validity of these theories.
I guess I'll just ask my guy friends /coworkers why they're being so nice today or if there is something up next time.
As for random dudes, can't day. I've gotten hit on a few times in the past year, even when I swear I'm not dressed nicely at all, though, that's subjective admittedly. Perhaps it's more likely to happen during ovulation for women? Will also keep track of that.

[Anonymous No.11294750]

I wish I knew anon but desu I’m not that smart and women are very spooky to me so I try not to think about it

[Anonymous No.11294751]

>>11294745
No. They are all the same ethnicity and race(caucasoid). Females were just expected to be more pale as in most cultures.

[Anonymous No.11294752]

>>11294055
Yes, women put off pheromones that make guys want to make sex on them when they're ovulating. From a guy's point of view, you just notice that talking to a girl gives you kind of a boner. Even though roughly a quarter of women are ovulating at any given time, it doesn't happen nearly as often as that so I think there's also some sort of selection going on, immune system comparison or something. The end result is that if the weiner wakes up from just talking to a girl, my DNA likes her DNA and also she's probably ovulating.

You're not going to get good information here when school's not in session, especially not lately with this most recent influx of newfags, dumb shits and high schoolers.

[Anonymous No.11294756]

>>11294751
Yeah sure lol

[Anonymous No.11294760]

>>11294756
Ok. I mean you don't have to believe me. I'm just speaking facts. Have you never heard of the minoans?

[Anonymous No.11294765]

>>11294746
I'm imagining being one of your guy friends who you ask why I'm being so nice to you, don't do it. I'd look at you and think 'what the fuck is going through this girl's head' and land on any number of incorrect theories, all of which could be harmful to the friendship in some way.

[Anonymous No.11294766]

>>11294760
Pic related looks like one to me

[Anonymous No.11294768]

probably unrelated but why do almost all women have a rosy smell? even when they are dirty there is still a rosy smell like roses, it's just mixed with chlorine smell and/or sour yogurt.
is it some form of Synesthesia?

[Anonymous No.11294769]

>>11294055
Yes, there's also visual signalling. Some women, just by being around them, just say "sex".

[Anonymous No.11294773]

>>11294672
>No, not really. I just do because I'm kind of irresponsible.
I saw a young girl wearing white pants, sporting a huge red blotch between her legs. I thought one mistake would be enough.
>But it probably doesnt matter since I'm not sexually active or anything.
How does that make sense?
>So you think synchrojnized cycles are driven by pheromones?
My guess is yes, as pheromones are there to act on others.

[Anonymous No.11294775]

>>11294752
So you think it's actually pheromones? Some papers cited in the article in op suggest it's the estrogen surge right before progesterone surge that cause changes in the voice, face(more puffy/plump, no acne), and possibly breast that is the cause.
There hasn't been much reduciblilty with the voice changes tho

[Anonymous No.11294778]

>>11294768
dunno, that smell is like green apples for me. it comes off their neck especially strongly after a shower when they're on the rag.

[Anonymous No.11294783]

>>11294778
apple in shampoo
>>11294768
rosewater baths

For me? It’s similar in scent to when my balls smell really good, except it’s noticeably more girly smelling.

[Anonymous No.11294792]

>>11294778
although on second thought, the green apple smell probably isn’t shampoo but rather some apple-based female vaginal sorcery

[Anonymous No.11294808]

>>11294775
One time I poked my head into the office of a coworker right after a different coworker left, just to tell her something. The guy who left was someone she was flirting with, maybe a budding office romance, looking back. My brain basically shut down and I got stupid and happy as soon as I breathed her air, I almost said the word duh, it felt like what happens in old warner brothers cartoon when their eyes turn into hearts. Now I didn't like this lady, at all, she made my life hell there, but something in the air was strong enough to have a noticeable effect on my mental state. It also suggests that since I was affected by a scent 'intended' for someone else, the female body has some sort of control over when it happens. If it had been me she was talking to instead of the other guy, the room wouldn't have been flooded with stupid gas.

I know it's anecdotal evidence, but it did happen to me.

[Anonymous No.11294810]

>>11294765
Yeah, I'm a bit worried how I'd bring it up too honestly...won't it at the very least mess with observations?
>>11294773
Lol no, not that irresponsible.
After a while you get a vague intuition about that it may come on any day now, even when you if dont keep track of it as strictly as you should. Thus, I avoid all white pants and underwear during this interval. She was just a bit more irresponsible than me I guess.

Well we're always learning more about how similar humans are to animals.
I'd remind you that the mechanism these researchers were proposing were sudden appearance changes via the hormones.

[Anonymous No.11294816]

>>11294205
Was the question somehow incomplete without you introducing the fact that you're a girl tho

But you might be noticing a reciprocal behavior if your period makes your overall demeanor a little more testy

[Anonymous No.11294836]

>>11294792
cringe and notcomfypilled

[Anonymous No.11294844]

>>11294808
I mean I don't think one can control that. At least I can't lol.
You could have just ran into her when she was ovulating perhaps? Every other time you met her maybe she just wasn't. It seems like you're trying to avoid her most of the time anyway. Or maybe she just wore a nice sent that day?
I will admit that I do find guys with wider jaws/faces more attractive like most people but I felt it even more yesterday when I ran into this guy at an interview(which I tried to suppress since the guy was married with kids).
I thought wider face was generally more attractive for men anyway though. Perhaps it's heightened during ovulation like they are saying.

[Anonymous No.11294848]

>>11294836
I love girls so much you have no idea. I fear what I don’t understand. I blame myself for being stupid around them.

[Anonymous No.11294869]

>>11294816
Funny you say that because I did not directly say I was a girl once in OP. I merely described my observations that include details to my cycle in order to examine the theory in question.
If anything I sort of danced around it as much as possible only sticking to important details of being female. Not that I care what you think anyway.
>it you over all demeanor is more testy
Wait di you mean testy as in higher testosterone or testy as in irritable?
On my period, my behavior is pretty standard and no one says i act any different. I guess I can appear more tired so that can affect it if I don't when I'm ovulating.

[Anonymous No.11294905]

>>11294844
Nope, what I posted is what happened. I'm 38, I've been paying attention to this stuff for a while. As far as control of pheremones, I meant only subconscious control. Have you looked into oxytocin, the human bonding hormone, and how dogs hijacked our own pheromone system to insinuate themselves into our families? Pretty cool stuff. There's got to be a bunch of other pheromones too, hell I bet there's one people leave around when there's a man-eating predator in the area. Something that increases mating behavior during optimal times is virtually guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.11294939]

>>11294844
There are other involuntary signals too, such as pupillary response. One way to test this would be to have people who are visually attracted to each other talk to each other through a glass wall and measure boner incidence rate. You'd have to control for a lot of things, like clothing level.

[Anonymous No.11294965]

>>11294816
This is a situation where knowing observations are being made by a female is helpful. You're right to be vigilant, as needlessly vaginafagging is roughly as bad as needlessly using a tripcode, but some situations do call for tripcodes as well.

[Anonymous No.11295096]

>>11294869
>Funny you say that because I did not directly say I was a girl once in OP
Well, you did state:
>1-2weeks after my period
It is not necessary to be an intense autist to draw conclusions.

>>11294810
>hus, I avoid all white pants and underwear during this interval.
This is where English becomes hilariously ambiguous. Anyway, why not use latex? It is leak proof, even in messy cases. Pic related, I guess. A dude in Finland, of all places, tries to make latex an everyday material. He is not having much success.

[Anonymous No.11295111]

>>11294768
>>11294778
>>11294783
>>11294792
oooooooooohhhhhh yes c-c-can you tell me more about those smells

[Anonymous No.11295120]

>>11295111
it smells like coins
it takes like salty milk
it feels like bags of sand
...and it maek me coom everytiem.

[Anonymous No.11295144]

>>11294055
Not more attractive but I can always smell the difference in my wife. It is harder for me to tell with most other women but with my wife I know when she is ovulating by smell and when she is about to start bleeding by taste.

Anecdotal evidence but from a source with 14 years experience.

[Anonymous No.11295157]

>>11295120
>Like coins
Hmm idk. It depends but for me after shower and the ones I saw when I worked in obgyn clinic for a bit(assuming the patients werent dirty chicks) it smells like rain. With discharge, it's a tart kind of smell. Not bad, but not good. I guess neutral.

[Anonymous No.11295207]

>>11295144
>when she is about to start bleeding by taste
Too much information.

[Anonymous No.11295342]

>>11295144
Hmm, by smell really? It could be the 14 years of experience though.
Not to be intrusive but: So you don't find her more attractive than normal or feel like sleeping with her more than normal?

[Anonymous No.11295361]

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

[Anonymous No.11295372]

>>11295096
Well I had to specify my period because that is related to the topic of this thread.

Anyway, I meant no white(or light colored) underwear yes lol. Also no new underwear. Only the older ones.
>latex
That is so uncomfortable I can't even. I hope you dont mean without a pad or tampon because it would make everything feel more wet and gross.

This is going to turn into a mini rant but
Honestly count yourself lucky. Somec of you guys make it seem like it's so hard being a man and to certain degree, it can be. When it comes to getting laid it can be tough as a guy but like, it's either that or having to put up with this menstrual cycle shit and child birth as a woman. Even with birth control it's annoying. Pick your poison. You can't have everything in your favor I guess is what I'm saying. You just can't win...

[Anonymous No.11296257]

>>11295372
>Anyway, I meant no white(or light colored) underwear yes lol. Also no new underwear. Only the older ones.
I thought rags was a cliche. Amazing what one can learn on 4ch.
>>latex
>That is so uncomfortable I can't even.
Have you tried it? Some like it, a lot. Cosplayers wear it for hours.
>I hope you dont mean without a pad or tampon because it would make everything feel more wet and gross.
That was not what I meant, no. It was just about being leak proof and avoiding gross mess on seats. BTW that girl I referred to above was sitting on the train... Anyways, there are latex wear with, erm, plugs. I understand these should, well, plug up things. Right? I have pics but not sure this is the place.
>This is going to turn into a mini rant but
We are not entirely unaccustomed to that around here.
>Honestly count yourself lucky. Somec of you guys make it seem like it's so hard being a man and to certain degree, it can be. When it comes to getting laid it can be tough as a guy but like, it's either that or having to put up with this menstrual cycle shit and child birth as a woman. Even with birth control it's annoying. Pick your poison. You can't have everything in your favor I guess is what I'm saying. You just can't win...
Please think about us guys, we have to put up with women having pre menstrual tension, menstrual rage, post menstrual explosivity and have perhaps 2 days a month to lower our shoulders.

[Anonymous No.11296319]

>>11294667
you're coombrain. It's instinctive. Don't blame females for your weakness

[Anonymous No.11296321]

>>11296319
WHAT IF IT'S CUZ I GOT A BIG HUNGRY COCK????

[Anonymous No.11296336]

>>11296321
Men have varying levels of sexual capacity. Some are more, some less. If you're more, don't blame the world, blame your inner ingrained self.

[Anonymous No.11296349]

>>11296321
>>11296336(My post)
Can you do anything about it?No. But you can practice self control. That's the defining characteristic between you (a human) and any animal

[Anonymous No.11296648]

>>11294055
must be ovulation pheromones making me want to say TITS OR GTFO WHORE

[Anonymous No.11296881]

>>11296648
Unlikely. That would have meant there would be a woman somewhere near you.

[Anonymous No.11296912]

>>11296319
>implying i blame
>>11296321
This frankly

[Anonymous No.11296936]

>>11294055
is it true that women emit more pheromones around black men?

[Anonymous No.11296943]

>>11296936
no anon the actual correlation is with big dicks see >>11296321

[Anonymous No.11296944]

>>11294055
Women can’t even science so no

[Anonymous No.11296954]

>>11296944
>Women can’t even science so no

[Anonymous No.11296955]

In all seriousness most likely not. There’s been no evidence humans can respond to pheromones. They’re most likely being nice because they didn’t want to anger you while you were on your period and still think you were.

[Anonymous No.11297988]

>>11296257
>Anyways, there are latex wear with, erm, plugs. I understand these should, well, plug up things.
See example in >>>/s/latex

[Anonymous No.11297995]

h>>11296955
ttps://sci-hub
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tw/https://doi.org/10.1037/a0020930#

[Anonymous No.11297998]

>>11297995
https://files.catbox.moe/rc7vfg.pdf

[Anonymous No.11298006]

how odd
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797612466416

[Anonymous No.11298012]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513807000694

[Anonymous No.11298103]

>>11294775
try this paper >>11297995

[Anonymous No.11298164]

>>11294197
Of get the fuck out

[Anonymous No.11298288]

>>11294055
No? Why wouldn't smell affect you?

[Anonymous No.11298322]

Important question, if women are this easily influenced by their menstrual hormonal swings should they even be allowed to vote before the menopause?
https://www.business.rutgers.edu/sites/default/files/documents/durante-fluctuating-female-vote-2013.pdf

[Anonymous No.11298375]

Our pheromones are visual: ass, tits, feet, etc.

[Anonymous No.11298383]

>>11297995
>Women’s reproductive fertility peaks for a few days in the middle of their cycle around ovulation. Because conception is most likely to occur inside this brief fertile window, evolutionary theories suggest that men possess adaptations designed to maximize their reproductive success by mating with women during their peak period of fertility. In this article, we provide evidence from 3 studies that subtle cues of fertility prime mating motivation in men, thus facilitating psychological and behavioral processes associated with the pursuit of a sexual partner. In Study 1, men exposed to the scent of a woman near peak levels of fertility displayed increased accessibility to sexual concepts. Study 2 demonstrated that, among men who reported being sensitive to odors, scent cues of fertility triggered heightened perceptions of women’s sexual arousal. Study 3 revealed that, in a face-to-face interaction, high levels of female fertility were associated with a greater tendency for men to make risky decisions and to behaviorally mimic a female partner. Hence, subtle cues of fertility led to a cascade of mating-related processes—from lower order cognition to overt behavior—that reflected heightened mating motivation. Implications for theories of goal pursuit, romantic attraction, and evolutionary psychology are discussed

I wonder of men in mixed gender companies make riskier decisions if a female colleague is ovulating? it could be a strong argument to not employ them in risk focused businesses if they poison the analyst's perceptions.

[Anonymous No.11298655]

>>11296912
The fact that you mentioned females makes you basically a straight beta male. If you would've used 'male' instead of 'females' then you're a faggot

[Anonymous No.11299195]

>>11298375
>feet

[Anonymous No.11299450]

>>11298383
Wow, you're already trying to use these harmless studies as a way to disenfranchise women. Funny.
I believe, I haven't read that entire study, but it seems they mean risks as it relates to getting her attention directly or trying to approach her.
I doubt they are saying men will be more likely to make a risky business deal or medical decision because he's trying to impress some chick who is ovulating.

[Anonymous No.11299473]

>>11296955
I dont tell my guy friends or co workers when I'm on my period.
Considering the field I'm in, they should know that by the next week, that I'm no longer on my period anyway.

[Anonymous No.11299624]

>>11294055
I can only say that I found out that I sometimes feel inexplicably extremely attracted to some girls that are not even what I would find very attractive (maybe decently) and I often find out that I get crazy when I smell them. I get an instant 100% erection when I smell my exgf's (happened once or twice, I do not keep contact with them).

[Anonymous No.11300120]

>>11299450
no faggot I'm making a business decision, if your male traders are more likely to make a stupid decision because a fertile female is sharing the same room as them and it increases the risk of you losing billions.

[Anonymous No.11300146]

>>11300120
got cut off
*should you really take that risk?

[Anonymous No.11300286]

>>11296257
lol, dude. I'm not going to wear this specific outfit every time I have my period. Who walks around in latex like that?

Yeah you have to deal with some mood swings but that's only some girls. Contrary to popular belief, only some women have pre menstrual syndrome.
Menstrual rage isn't really a thing. It's more fatigue and general annoyance with your current condition.
There is no post menstrual explosion. I've literally never heard of that.
Most mood swings only happen when women are pregnant.

[Anonymous No.11300291]

>>11298006
Sounds like b.s. Too many variables. To link it specifically to ovulation.
I've never heard of this journal, so I doubt it's reputable or even peer reviewed.

[Anonymous No.11300302]

>>11297998
>https://files.catbox.moe/rc7vfg.pdf
This study failed to be representative. It couldn't get adequate numbers for more than one race of women so it's hard to make inferences about all women from this.

[Anonymous No.11300319]

>>11298322
b.s. see>>11300291

[Anonymous No.11300331]

>>11300291
Yeah I'd agree regarding the voting bias effect ut appears statistically flawed.
it's even referred to in this book Statistics Done Wrong: The Woefully Complete Guide by Alex Reinhart chapter 9
https://b-ok.cc/book/2519969/873a93

But I'd dispute you over the ovulatory ingroup bias I'd like to see other studies if they exist outside of just white women.

[Anonymous No.11300436]

>>11300331
wow this is a mine field of meta analysis and rebuttals to the meta analysis a few years later, I'm not sure I'm invested enough to review all the relevant literature

[Anonymous No.11300789]

>>11295372
There are some underwear specially designing for absorbing period, which can help preventing leaks. You can also try using a menstrual cup, I've heard it is comfortable and effective when used correctly and with the correct size.

[Anonymous No.11300813]

>>11294664

>Feminists get pissed and call men out for their b.s because they know they can do better
Everything you see around you has been discovered, built, and perfected by a man. The building you're in, the electricity you're using, the computer and smartphone in your hands, the heater you're enjoying, fuck even the tampons you're wearing right now were all invented and built built by men. Namely the straight white men you hate so much. Men are innovators, the leaders, and the backbone of society. They always have been and always will be, and that truth becomes undeniably clear when shit hits the fan and society collapses.

If you don't like that truth, that's your problem, Patriarchy has nothing to do with it. Men had to be productive to survive, their evolutionary biology depended on it. All women had to do is be fertile, healthy, and have a man to protect them and their children. They only needed to be clever to be genetically diverse for their own interests which is why they are good at manipulating weak men.

>Believe me, feminists dont think men are all selfish rape machines at heart.
The key word here is "all". Women see any man 'invisible' to them as selfish rape machines. Those men they don't consider potential mates. Women will do exactly that when it and especially when they are told to do so by other women.

[Anonymous No.11301127]

>>11300789
>which can help preventing leaks
How does it do that?

[Anonymous No.11301235]

>>11294055
>hypothesis: /sci/ is a scientific board
>possible femanon presents anecdotal hypothesis without sources
>asks (hypothetically) likeminded individuals if they have any research on the topic
>because she doesn’t already know the answer to her own question pseuds refer her to >>>>/x/
>science is about asking questions
>conclusion: /sci/ is not a scientific board
The absolute state of you midwits

[Anonymous No.11301240]

>>11300813
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.11301435]

>>11301235
Too negative. The noise level has always been high but there is still a signal you can recover.

[Anonymous No.11301554]

>>11294420
>>11294430
Im totally getting the book. Thanks weirdo.

[Anonymous No.11301590]

>>11294205
dont like the board? dont post on it

[Anonymous No.11301608]

>>11301235
t. onions

[Anonymous No.11301621]

If strippers get more tips during ovulation then it must be because men are responding to different behavioral signals from them. Acting more sexually available, which excites men and makes them more into them and thus do them favors (giving them tips), cause the man instinctually wants it to go somewhere (sex)

The women don't realize they're doing it. Acting 'available' is how women get men to do things for them. That's how I got it really bad for a certain Indian chick. I suspect she was really using me to get ahead in her career but wasn't fully conscious of it. She dropped the signals that she was 'into' me once she moved up in her career.

Then there are women who have acted nice for information/resources but are careful to withdraw it once they get what they need.

It's part of women's behavior and I'm not sure they realize it or want to admit it. Because it would mean they're doing something bad, which they are.

[Anonymous No.11301818]

>>11301621
I mean, I wasn't acting different than I usually do. That study suggests that it's because of physiologic (not behavioral) changes that occur as result of the hormone shifts. Supposedly change of voice or facial glow. Maybe even breast perkiness/seelling and smell(pheromones?)

[Anonymous No.11301823]

>>11300789
Yeah, but my main issue is keeping track of it well enough to remember the exact day each month and predict the exact day. Eitherway, I do well enough that I rarely get blood on my good underwear and never on my pants(let alone white ones).

[Anonymous No.11301838]

>>11300813
I assumed with your rational and intelligent male brain, you could understand that by " do better" I meant act like less assholes and brutes towards women and society in general. I guess I was asking for too much.
I wasn't speaking of inventions or achievements.
Many of which women were not allowed to partake in as you just mentioned but that's a whole other argument.
Men had to be productive, we all did. Only, men didn't ever have to carry a parasite that actually kind of slowed then down for about 5 months of a year sometimes(yes I purposely said 5 months).
Anyway, by "not all" I actually meant: Most guys are completely fine, especially nowadays. A lot of guys are pleasant people. Some of you guys, like many of the losers on this site and other chauvinists, definitely need to do better

[Anonymous No.11301917]

>>11300286
>Who walks around in latex like that?
Quite a few, it seems. This stats is from the >>>/s/latex thread.

[Anonymous No.11301964]

>>11299473
>they know by the next week I’m not on my period
>next week

Problem solved.

[Anonymous No.11301976]

>>11301838
Also, men being productive they only way they can(manual labor) does not and probably did not mean they should disrespect women and act like child bearing is the only thing they can be good at when it's not.
It's probably true for some women but definitely not all. People are different, between men and women alike as much as you want to pretend.

[Anonymous No.11301977]

>>11301964
Key word WOULD...I dont tell them though. So they dont know.

[Anonymous No.11302012]

>>11294664
>says feminists don't think men are all rape machines
>projects against all men as enemies and some faceless patriarchy, outing own views as feminist
>proceeds to say that all men are rape machines
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.11302025]

>>11294869
>I did not directly say I was a girl once in OP
Yes, you did. If someone were worried about prostate cancer or something painful in their testicles, would you assume they are a woman?

[Anonymous No.11302443]

>>11301838
>>11301976
if males aren't aggressive then the group will be taken over by another group that are, we see it in chimp and baboon studies and our own history.

[Anonymous No.11302453]

Norwegian documentary that youtube keeps censoring or requiring log ins to see

required watching
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp0tg8

[Anonymous No.11302545]

>>11294055
There has to be some sort of pheromones. I loved sniffing my ex, everything she wore or touched had her smell. I never cared for the smell of other girls but something about her smell was special

[Anonymous No.11303514]

>>11302025
I mean I did say "directly."
I mean, I made this thread about ovulation and pheromones and used my own experience as possible observation so I can't not mention it.
Just like a person talking about that it's like to have surgery for prostate cancer ends up implying their gender as well. Ehat fo you want them to do? The thread is about prostate cancer. Basically, you're saying I shouldn't have made this thread about this subject because girls make austists here uncomfortable.

[Anonymous No.11303524]

I wonder if there's a way to track female personal preferences over periods of time and associate them with relative fertility?
maybe apps like Tinder? since they'd have compiled logs and probably be able to infer a pattern and determine or estimate with decent probability individuals' menstrual cycles based on their browsing patterns?

They've probably compiled the stats, maybe an AI could infer the chance that they would abandon the app based on browsing pattern?

[Anonymous No.11303528]

>>11302443
Well, that's the problem then isn't it. Some men down the line act the like assholes when they dont need to be and setting a trend like it's cool. This is some weird straw man argument anyway. That hardly has anything to do with what happened anyway.
Plus, you ou dont need to disrespect women to defend your country. And no one said women can't fight in wars except for guys.

>>11302443
I mean, think what you want about all feminists but like I said, most don't hate men. They want and know you could do better. The ones that actually hate men are the ones who would call for castration of all men or something. You know, because "men are just the worst by nature and there is nothing else be can do"

[Anonymous No.11303535]

>>11302453
This has nothing to do with this thread. Btw, the data it doesnt even suggest men and women aren't equal. Idk who made that title, just different in some ways.

[Anonymous No.11303541]

>>11303524
You can't tell the point in their cycle unless it's reported by them or you measure their hormone levels throughout the studies.

[Anonymous No.11303542]

>>11295157
newfag

[Anonymous No.11303543]

>>11303528
the problem is women are the weak link when it comes to defending a country and its people, they're much more easily subverted.
Notice all the SJWs and feminists vociferously defending islam...

[Anonymous No.11303544]

>>11294055
Dunno about pheromones but its worth thinking about that humans are the only primates that don't advertise their estrus,
All of our relatives have some kind of obvious signaling that says FuckMe. Human women have actually evolved to hide it.

[Anonymous No.11303547]

>>11303541
if you get a consistent spike in the type of guy a woman is responding to or the number goes up for a few days each month you've probably identified her cycle...

[Anonymous No.11303548]

>>11303528
there once was a Somali queen I forget the name who hated men so much she had 90% castrated...

[Anonymous No.11303551]

>>11303544
(some) human women hide it because of social values, not because of evolution. in the west, for example, most of them don't hide it at all. they literally get drunk at public bars and shout things like "OOOOH I'M SOOOOOO DRUNK" to announce they're sexually receptive and probably ovulating.

[Anonymous No.11303553]

>>11303543
They fen Islam because"
1. Not all of them are the same so stop hating them as a group. Islam has been practiced many ways and I influenced by the culture in the different areas of the world it's practiced it too.
2. Just because a girl wants to be muslim or even wear a hijab doesnt mean she can't be a feminist the same way just because a girl is Christian doesn't mean she can't be a feminist but idiots somehow come to this conclusion. Wearing hijab is not much different than orthodox jews wearing hats all the time or Sics wearing turbans all the time.
3. Islam is just another religion hijacked by a patriarchal culture in which the culture tries to use it to excuse sexism. Same with Christianity for a long time, just in somewhat different ways.4.If you really want to ge the into the details, and take the text verbatim, Christianity is not much better so why are you pointing fingers?

[Anonymous No.11303554]

>>11303547
You can't infer that though...remember we're still trying to confirm whether there is even a correlation. Right now, we need more studies to establish that. Your study wouldn't be helpful.

[Anonymous No.11303555]

>>11303551
No what I mean is that other primates actually go trough bodily changes depending on their fertility cycle, that basically advertise if their fertile or not. Humans don't, so there was actually some evolutionary pressure to hide it.

Propably has something to do with males killing the children of females that are not fertile to get them pregnant themselves. (just speculation).
Its not about general sluttyness

[Anonymous No.11303556]

>>11303551
He means pheromones and behavior wise; think of the term "in heat"
Human women don't have or display these changes like animals do.
Though these studies may suggest that they do, but more subtly...

[Anonymous No.11303558]

>>11303555
But animals do that.
The make animal will go into a nest with a females babies and eat/ kill them.

[Anonymous No.11303560]

>>11303524
They've already done many of these kinds of studies in the past.

https://www.livescience.com/8779-fertile-women-manly-men.html

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/05/120514134301.htm

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/272697.php

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/articles/201011/the-double-life-women

[Anonymous No.11303566]

>>11303553
anon they defend the psycho saudi and turk funded loud mosques here, these people don't have a damned clue, too many are only invested in the oppression narrative offered by media and academe

[Anonymous No.11303567]

>>11303555
the changes that human females go through are in behavior, body language, and tone of voice, not necessarily in the color of their prominently displayed vaginas or in a special chemical that they secrete every x days that causes sexual response in the males around them. if you're the kind of big, strong, masculine guy that women go for when they ovulate these behavioral changes will be extremely apparent to you anytime you go to the pub. if not, or if you're particularly oblivious in social situations, it may be less obvious to you, but either way evidence for pheromones in humans is extremely weak, and they probably don't exist.

[Anonymous No.11303571]

Islam was pretty patriarchal from very early on but it got more patriarchal I'll grant you given the way the "draw your things about you" advice has been distorted as justification for wearing full fucking burka.

I fear we;re getting into dangerous territory on the discussing religion rules for /sci/ here

[Anonymous No.11303576]

>>11303553
Finally reached your 4th point, I'm not sure I understand it though as I'm not a christian.

[Anonymous No.11303583]

>>11303566
Well not all of us espouse the same exact views.
Besides, it's still discrimination to not allow people to have a house of worship though, even if you disagree with what they are saying. We allow white nationalists to protest in the streets too, how can we not allow Muslims the right of religion just because we disagree with them.
If they do something bad or hurt women then they go to jail. End of story.

[Anonymous No.11303592]

>>11303583
Because they're a paramilitaristic and not so low key islamic invasion attempt, defended by elites who see the division as a way to distract from their own negligence while not realising the long term forced divide and conquer implications this has for them.

[Anonymous No.11303595]

>>11303567
My point was that at some point during evolution we actually had those bodily changes, not just behaviour. We actually evolved to lose them... That tells me that there was a benefit to losing them.
Wheter behaviour actually signifies fertility is mostly speculation because most of it is learned.

>>11303558
Thats what I wanted to say. My idea was that humans actually hide wheter they are fertile so the males don't kill their children.

In terms of energy investment into children, humans are freaks of nature. No other species even comes close to us. We invest several times more energy into children than any other species we know of. Its so crazy human women even have a good chance of dying from childbirth.
That means a single child is much more valuable to us than to any other animal.

[Anonymous No.11303599]

>>11303595
a hidden oestrus improves the incentive for pair bonding since a single male fucking her regularly and no in danger of some strange male appearing only cyclicly improves her offspring's survival chances and the male's investment long term in child care if he get regular sex

[Anonymous No.11303628]

>>11303571
Yeah, so was Christianity. Islam got worse because of culture. The midldle east and Persia was never one for equality. As for the burkas, you can't convince women who were wearing ot for most recall of their lives to stop wearing that same way you can't convince most women to stop wearing bras.
Feminist is still someone what political so, you have to meet people where they are, for some Muslim women, it's at wearing their burkas.
Yes, let's stop talking about religion please. I dont even know how we got here. I guess some strawman argument about feminism.

[Anonymous No.11303632]

>>11303592
Hopefully through living here, they will eventually adopt other cultural mindsets too.
It's already a thing for a lot of their kids or at least grandkids.

[Anonymous No.11303634]

>>11303592
No it's not, btw. They aren't going to convince people to convert to islam, at least not THEIR version of Islam. So you can put that notion to rest.

[Anonymous No.11303640]

>>11303628
My point was that women are a potential weak link in national security more so then men are.

[Anonymous No.11303664]

so this is the power of women...

[Anonymous No.11303669]

>>11303599
Good point still it's all so hard to say which it was exactly. Was it to make promiscuity easy or to make it less easy? A lot of these speculations are so inconclusive as we have no data, just ideas about how the human body works that we try to project on different settings.
Perhaps both, humans unlike animals, can adapt and generally decide to live however we want.

[Anonymous No.11303677]

>>11303640
Well it's a bad point.
You can't exclude pluralism arbitrarily just because you feel like some "might" step out of line. Women werent the ones that pushed for pluralism or made it happen initially. What about the principle?
There were no other instances of this type of thing in the past anyway, so what is even your point about women historically as a group?

[Anonymous No.11303682]

>>11303628
Somewhat* political
My bad

[Anonymous No.11303685]

>>11303669
you can look at close species like chimps or bonobos and human hunter gatherers that reflect our common historical reality but cold weather life and the requirement for increased cognitive complexity and huge social groups pushing our mental abilities to their limits has changed us some what.

[Anonymous No.11303701]

>>11303685
Exactly. So it's still hard to say for all humans.

[Anonymous No.11304733]

>>11303599
>and no in danger of some strange male appearing
Yet this happens often.

[Anonymous No.11304735]

maybe. maybe not. maybe go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.11304751]

>>11304735
Nice contribution to this thread, anon. What a genius you are.

[Anonymous No.11304834]

>>11304733
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.11304852]

>>11303595
>That tells me that there was a benefit to losing them.

Or maybe it was just a side effect to gaining something else.

[Anonymous No.11304884]

>>11295372
3 in 4 homeless people are men but guess which gender gets virtually all the assistance from society? Most women throughout the history of Homo sapiens have passed on their genes but less than half of the men who ever lived successfully passed on their genes. Being a man is a shit deal. I could go further but I'll stop there.

[Anonymous No.11305055]

>>11304884
More men are on top as well though. And most of those shelters are for battered women, which is much more likely to happen to women.
Anyway , it's like slavery vs freedom and poverty.
You can be taken care of by some master and society but not be taken seriously and have to submit vs be free yet be at risk of abject poverty.

[Anonymous No.11305538]

>>11304834
With gene testing a lot of people have discovered that their fathers are not their biological fathers. In other words, "some strange male" appeared before their mothers.

[Anonymous No.11305630]

>>11305538
That hasn't really invalidated the theory though, in spite of paternity fraud there's more chance of reproductive success through monogamy with hidden oestrus.

[Anonymous No.11305656]

Science really has destroyed peoples ability to think. Of course men can smell women in heat. Doesn't answering this question in the negative make you feel like hollow retard communist?

[Anonymous No.11306083]

>>11304751
Its a stupid thread to begin with. Literally made by a woman too.

[Anonymous No.11306376]

Every female I've ever seen mention evopsyche has hated it. I've yet to witness one exception personally. It's not exactly flattering for guys either, but for some reason they love it and girls hate it.

[Anonymous No.11306615]

>>11306376
Its interesting but so inconclusive. There is literally no evidence behind it. Just speculation based on how we think humans(or we) would respond in a certain situations despite never actually being in the situation.
It's worse than a sociology and other psychology in that way. Hell even history. Even feminist theories have more evidence(mostly retrospective but even so) behind it then we do these evolutionary psych theories..or rather hypotheses.

[Anonymous No.11306618]

>>11305656
No it confirms or disproves a thought process and it is very important.

[Anonymous No.11306724]

Your vagina REEKS LIKE DOG ASS AND EVERYONE CAN SMELL IT. When you're ovulating it smells better.

[Anonymous No.11306785]

>>11306724
But what about the days after my period and bleeding has stop when I'm not ovulating yet(that interim 1-2weeks)?

[Anonymous No.11308305]

>>11306724
>>11306785
Most people have a lousy sense of smelling and would never know. Nice smell during ovulation brings us back to the disputed issue of pheromones. In any case perfume can mask a lot.

[Anonymous No.11308753]

>>11294664
Alright thats it, gtfo of this board. I handle enough female retardation in my degree

[Anonymous No.11308768]

>>11308753
based

[Anonymous No.11308771]

>>11308305
>disputed issue of pheromones
There's no pheromones. It's unconscious behavioral signals.

[Anonymous No.11309237]

>>11308771
The difference being...?

[Anonymous No.11309844]

>>11308771
please explain >>11297995 & >>11298383

[Anonymous No.11312247]

>>11308771
We are still waiting.