/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11290181]

Is cs a meme degree?
what about ee, or eecs?
>>>/g/74319114

[Anonymous No.11290190]

>cs
>ee
>eecs
not science or math

[Anonymous No.11290192]

>>11290181
Yes, yes, yes. Go back to your containment board now.

[Anonymous No.11290198]

>>11290190
cs is computer science?

[Anonymous No.11290207]

>WAA WAA /G/ IS HAVING GARBAGE /ADV/ THREADS US TOO US TOO
Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.11290217]

>>11290207
Shit mang
I just want to know if stem is going to be flooded by new graduates and the ee/cs people will have to take a normally paid job and the /sci/ phds will have to buy discount lentils instead of the nice ones

[Anonymous No.11290293]

>>11290181
this board will make the assertion that all of the above are meme degrees, but will also claim that physics is unemployable.

[Anonymous No.11290319]

>>11290293
What’s implied by meme degree varies depending on whether financial prospects or rigor and substance are implied by OP’s question. For financial prospects those are reasonably good degrees, for actual rigor and substance they’re worthless and will teach you nothing.

[Anonymous No.11290396]

>>11290198
>cs is computer science?
What's your point?

[Anonymous No.11290439]

>>11290181

[Anonymous No.11290616]

yes

[Anonymous No.11290636]

>>11290181
If you are more interested in math and logic, do CS. If you are more interested in physics, do EE or EECS.

[Anonymous No.11290659]

>>11290181

[Anonymous No.11290705]

>>11290190
Yeah. It isn't and what the fuck are you gonna do about it pussy?

[Anonymous No.11290722]

>>11290181
>Do you want to learn theory
ece
>Do you want to do the bare minimum, take the easiest electives, use ratemyprofessor to get the curviest professors, and half ass your work?
cs

[Anonymous No.11291532]

>>11290722
Since when did engineers learn theory? If anything, CS is more theoretical

[Anonymous No.11291536]

>>11291532
Theoretically yes, but in practice CS is a meme degree.

[Anonymous No.11291572]

>>11290319
Thank you for your salient non-meme answer.

[Anonymous No.11291809]

>>11290659
>meanwhile that anon is unemployed

[Anonymous No.11292936]

>>11290396
Subdivision of Math

[Anonymous No.11292948]

[Anonymous No.11292955]

>>11291809
>t. cs freshman

[Anonymous No.11293010]

The hatred for cs degrees is rather odd. Its easily the most marketable degree but here you will hear that its useless and that a math degree is better for software engineering. Yet if you look elsewhere, you will see that physics and math grads have an extremely hard time finding a job. If you are going to college, get a degree that is marketable, study what you like in your free time.

[Anonymous No.11293365]

>>11291536

Ok doing SE instead

[Anonymous No.11293369]

>>11290181
isn't it the word 'science' that triggers most of /sci/?
it feels like if it was called 'computer engineering' no one would care.

[Anonymous No.11293405]

>>11293010
so SE isnt marketable above CS?

[Anonymous No.11293423]

>>11293405
no because it's generally less rigorous.

[Anonymous No.11293432]

>>11293423
Thanks for your help

Still don't understand what I want between those two.. I might (am) be a brainlet. I got a CS offer but here I am waiting for an email for SE offer because I'm obviously autistic.

[Anonymous No.11293446]

>>11293010
>Its easily the most marketable degree
Ah, the freshman mantra.
>Yet if you look elsewhere, you will see that physics and math grads have an extremely hard time finding a job
Because they DON'T want a software or finance or any other miscellaneous job and want to do what they like: pure math and physics.
>get a degree that is marketable
Boomer parent mentality. Degrees are worthless pieces of paper that most everyone but the biggest fuck ups get and it has been that way for years now. If a professor fails too many of his students because they didn't learn the material, the dean steps in and forces him to "curve" it. Apathetic students who are only there due to the claims of marketable degrees and salaries have forced professors to gut cs degrees' content or otherwise too many students would fail them. Go onto any random university's cs website and you'll see 2-3 courses on intro programming and 3-4 courses on intro algorithms. A few decades ago, you would only have 1 and 1-2 respectively on them. Go further down the syllabus and the required core courses on operating systems, theory of computation, networking, compilers/PL theory, and so forth are now all electives. The course on computer architecture/organization is now a glorified course on basic C programming and the beginnings of digital logic with an optional second course covering actual architecture material. I could go on and on but there's no point. CS majors won't listen to anything that doesn't confirm their biases and will reply back with ad hominems and irrelevant anecdotes about the cs major they know that got a job.

[Anonymous No.11293453]

>>11293446
Hello based department?

[Anonymous No.11293567]

>>11293446
And people continue to claim that the US isn't a third world shithole.

[Anonymous No.11294164]

>>11293446
> Apathetic students who are only there due to the claims of marketable degrees and salaries have forced professors to gut cs degrees' content or otherwise too many students would fail them.

Personally from the Netherlands, I started experiencing this especially in my mater's courses that were actually easier than my Bsc courses since it was meant to be accessible to international students (i.e. dumb Americans). I had a course that was about modelling that had most of the difficult math taken out since otherwise people couldn't pass. I had a course that involved programming with ontologies, were most people struggled to actually program anything (really weird experience, I wonder how the people I worked with in that course can land any job with how grossly retarded they were). A lot of courses which previously had exams, the exams got replaced by big projects. Big projects help out retarded students because of how hard it is to get a teacher to fail the retard in your group who doesn't contribute anything, not many go through the effort to do so (and the prof often opts to choose the failing retard's side anyway).

In other master programs I've seen that they made the more difficult courses optional and non compulsory. This should have the added effect that only motivated students do this. However since they are so much harder than other courses, motivated students just wonder 'why should I do these courses that are way harder when the reward isn't really clear to me?'. So even motivated students then just opt to do the easier electives. I don't really think that a master degrees difficulty should lie in the electives chosen, but that the base program should be difficult. But that sadly isn't the case anymore.

[Anonymous No.11294175]

>>11290659
>i took math and i think i deserve being employed so much more, the post

[Anonymous No.11294178]

>>11290705
>It isn't and what the fuck are you gonna do about it pussy?
Do you really need to swear?

[Anonymous No.11294339]

>>11293446
>Because they DON'T want a software or finance or any other miscellaneous job and want to do what they like: pure math and physics.
No, you constantly see people who have only undergrad degrees in math or physics having trouble getting jobs. How do they expect to do physics or math with only an undergrad degree. And if they really loved those subjects, it would have been an easy decision to continue on in grad school. And yes, almost all of them are looking for jobs in software engineering.
>Boomer parent mentality. Degrees are worthless pieces of paper that most everyone but the biggest fuck ups get and it has been that way for years now.
Degrees have obvious worth. Try getting a decent paying job without one. And especially in software engineering where they have software to screen out applicants who do not have computer science degrees, its just silly to say that they have no value.
>f a professor fails too many of his students because they didn't learn the material, the dean steps in and forces him to "curve" it.
Do you have a source for that, or is this just more of your butt hurt assertions?
>Go onto any random university's cs website and you'll see 2-3 courses on intro programming and 3-4 courses on intro algorithms. A few decades ago, you would only have 1 and 1-2 respectively on them. Go further down the syllabus and the required core courses on operating systems, theory of computation, networking, compilers/PL theory, and so forth are now all electives. The course on computer architecture/organization is now a glorified course on basic C programming and the beginnings of digital logic with an optional second course covering actual architecture material.
Show me three universities that have this structure or else Ill just take it you are simply making shit up again.

[Anonymous No.11294354]

>>11293446
Go look anywhere, computer science degrees are extremely marketable.
https://www.pridestaff.com/blog/best-college-degrees-2020/

>Degrees are worthless pieces of paper that most everyone but the biggest fuck ups get and it has been that way for years now
Lol, keep telling yourself that, Im sure my uncle whos a lawyer and all my friends who are engineers totally would agree with you that the degree is worthless, and they could have gotten the same jobs they have now by just telling employers they taught themselves what is important for the job. Good luck to all those math and physics grads who will be working in retail or the food industry.
https://www.indeed.com/forum/gen/Career-Advice/Depressed-math-major-can-t-find-job/t487785

https://www.reddit.com/r/mathematics/comments/8le797/math_major_cant_find_job/

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4551254

[Anonymous No.11294372]

>>11293446
>Because they DON'T want a software or finance or any other miscellaneous job and want to do what they like: pure math and physics.
So why did they not get a grad degree, if they want to do math or physics.
>Degrees are worthless pieces of paper that most everyone but the biggest fuck ups get and it has been that way for years now.
If degrees are so worthless, then why do all the best jobs require a college degree? IF you want to learn math or physics but also realize that a college degree is worthless, dont go to college and just buy a bunch of math and physics books and learn all you can.

[Anonymous No.11294754]

grad school is lonely due to the overabundance of foreigners.

[Anonymous No.11294763]

>>11294754

or more accurately, a lack of domestic students.

[Anonymous No.11294968]

>>11294354
>https://www.pridestaff.com/blog/best-college-degrees-2020/
Written by literal boomers outside of the tech field working for HR firms. The same clueless people who who will gladly refer front end web devs for senior HFT work and wonder why you didn't hire them. Yep, they know what they're talking about.
>Im sure my uncle whos a lawyer
JDs aren't undergrad degrees, retard.
>and all my friends who are engineers totally would agree with you that the degree is worthless
Engineering degrees are different since they have to be ABET accredited and that has help stopped a lot of the meme-ification of the mainstream degrees. But have you ask actually asked any of them how much of their degree they use in their day to day jobs? Their answers might surprise you :^)

[Anonymous No.11294972]

CS is a science.

[Anonymous No.11295029]

>>11294339
>No, you constantly see people who have only undergrad degrees in math or physics having trouble getting jobs
And you constantly see people who have only undergrad degrees in computer science or software engineering having trouble getting jobs. Go to /g/, it happens all the time.
>Degrees have obvious worth. Try getting a decent paying job without one
Because boomers in HR. Speak to anyone on >>>/biz/ about "why degrees are important".
>And especially in software engineering where they have software to screen out applicants who do not have computer science degrees, its just silly to say that they have no value
Wat? Have you read any job postings yet? Most of them say something to the effect of
"Graduated, or will be graduating, with a bachelor’s or master’s degree in Computer Science or related field from an accredited college or university"
"Pursing a degree in a engineering or related field, strong software development skills in HTML, SQL, C#, C, C++ or Java"
"Bachelor's degree in CS (Computer Science), CE (Computer Engineering), or other Scientific degree with suitable software engineering content."
"Bachelor or Master’s degree in computer programming or equivalent. Note: If education is not in computer programming, the ideal candidate should be able to prove that computer programming has been a primary job."
just to quote from the first few SE search results. They are purposely vague because they do hire a ton of kids outside of CS/SE.
>Do you have a source for that, or is this just more of your butt hurt assertions?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grade_inflation
Also, speak to your professors about what would happen if they fail a whole class.
>Show me three universities that have this structure or else Ill just take it you are simply making shit up again.
Post your university and I'll describe how its cs program falls short.

[Anonymous No.11295287]

>>11294968
>JDs aren't undergrad degrees, retard
You said "Degrees are worthless pieces of paper that most everyone but the biggest fuck ups get and it has been that way for years now."
At no point did you specify you were talking about a certain level of degree. You said degree, thats it.
Anyways degrees are valuable for signalling. Im not arguing that you learn useful stuff.

[Anonymous No.11295290]

>>11295029
It doesnt matter why they are important, just that they are important. The argument I am arguing against is that degrees are worthless, this is so obviously false.

[Anonymous No.11295295]

>>11295029
lol, pure assertions.
Anyways its widely known that hr people at software companies screen out people without cs degrees. It might say something on the application but good luck getting that job when you have a math degree and the 20 other people applying have cs degrees.

[Anonymous No.11295487]

>>11295029
Not him but can you look at Arizona State University?

[Anonymous No.11296255]

..Now that the dust has settled should I do a cruisey 3y CS course or a more taxing 4y SE course? I want to make mobile software generally, for myself

[Anonymous No.11296332]

pol/thread/239338522

[Anonymous No.11296334]

>>11296255
computer science.

[Anonymous No.11297297]

>>11290636
>If you are more interested in math and logic, do CS
kek

[Anonymous No.11297299]

>>11296332
>>>/pol/239338522 ?

[Anonymous No.11297320]

>>11295287
>You said "Degrees are worthless pieces of paper that most everyone but the biggest fuck ups get and it has been that way for years now."
You know damn well that "getting a degree" means undergrad degree and people say "medial degree", "law degree", "my masters", or w/e when it's a higher degree unless it's already established in context.

[Anonymous No.11297407]

>>11295487
>https://webapp4.asu.edu/programs/t5/roadmaps/ASU00/ESCSEBS/null/ALL/2017?init=false&nopassive=true
I would call it a software focused CSE major rather than CS. I'll give it a B grade.

The informatics and SE majors are closer to the typical pleb cs degree:
>https://cidse.engineering.asu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/19-20-Informatics-Flowchart.pdf
>https://cidse.engineering.asu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/2019-SE-Flow-Chart_3_14_20191.pdf

[Anonymous No.11297412]

>>11295295
>Anyways its widely known that hr people at software companies screen out people without cs degrees. It might say something on the application but good luck getting that job when you have a math degree and the 20 other people applying have cs degrees.
Have you ever spoke to anyone doing hiring for software jobs?

[Anonymous No.11297808]

>>11295029
Alright I'll shoot, Texas A&M University.

[Anonymous No.11297833]

>>11297808
>Alright I'll shoot Texas A&M University.
reported

[Anonymous No.11297886]

>>11290181
>>>/g/74360560

[Anonymous No.11297890]

>>11290181
>>>/g/74346199

[Anonymous No.11298673]

>>11297297
imagine learning shit like dark matter, imaginary numbers, and other made up bullshit and thinking a textbook on quantifiable problem solving in the real world, i.e. discrete math, is dumb.
lmao

[Anonymous No.11299881]

What would a non meme CS degree look like?

Mine:
>Year 1
Technical writing
Intro CS
Single variable calculus
Structure and interpretation of computer programs
Linear Algebra and Geometry
Algebra
Computer Architecture
Logic and proofs

>Year 2
Automata Theory
Imperative and object oriented programing methods
Linear Algebra 2
Multivariable Calculus
Operating systems
Process oriented programming
Probability and stats
Computational Science

>Year 3
AI
Transform Methods
Computer communication
Database design
Compiler design
Algorithms and data strucures 2
Markovprocesses
Introduction to machinelearning
Thesis project


Am I getting scammed?

[Anonymous No.11299891]

>>11299881
Forgot control theory in year two and Digital image analysis in year 3

[Anonymous No.11300837]

>>11293369
Fuck that. Engineers don't toil and their own feces trying to make the next social media app.

[Anonymous No.11300847]

>>11297808
>>11297833

[Anonymous No.11300850]

>>11290192
t. /pol/tard
>implying /g/ is a containment board
their topics are at least useful to /sci/

[Anonymous No.11300856]

>>11300850
/g/ is containment for pajeets

[Anonymous No.11300880]

>>11290181
>Is cs a meme degree?
Nope. Not only its not a meme, it also has the most fun research fields, thats why mathfags seethe so much

[Anonymous No.11300886]

>>11293446
>operating systems, theory of computation, networking, compilers/PL theory, and so forth are now all electives
We have all of those as required to graduate in my uni

[Anonymous No.11302789]

>>11300880
Half the shit you posted is just mathematics.

[Anonymous No.11303469]

>>11298673
Imaginary numbers have various applications in engineering though. You also learn this shit in high school, so i'm just going to assume you're underage.

[Anonymous No.11303494]

>>11300880
>tweak something from your last paper
>republish
>goto 1

Yeah, no.

[Anonymous No.11303501]

>>11299881

[Anonymous No.11303508]

>>11303501

"Personal grooming and hygiene", lol

[Anonymous No.11303601]

Guide me /sci/. I enrolled into CS 17 years ago with no knowledge of programming or how computers worked, though I picked up what they taught us with zeal. It wasn't until way afterwards that I realized this knowledge alone was not valuable for work. I'm 34 now.
Aside from the technical knowledge, my ignorance in matters of this field, as well as life in general, severely stunted my professional growth and subsequently my personal growth. Since I already have a BSc, I'm no longer eligible for a student loan nor student welfare to pursue more specialized paths in comfort.

Do you see a practical route I can take to salvage myself, or a career path I can consider that may be as fun as it is rewarding? My brain still yearns to do something with computers, but my current job is completely unrelated. I'm at the point that drawing furry art for patreonbucks is appealing to me.