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Last thread reached bump limit.

http://boards.4channel.org/sci/thread/11211601#top

>> No.11244828

God tier - Pilot wave
Absolute shit tier - The rest

>> No.11244832

>>11244828
pilot wave theory is for fags; prove me wrong.

>> No.11244836

>>11244828
>God tier - Pilot wave
Kek

>> No.11244837

>>11244832
I support pilot wave theory and have a girlfriend. Thus am not a fag which refutes your claim.
>qed

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>>11244828
What do you like about pilot wave in terms of its applications to your research or field? What do you think it explains more adequately than other theories?
What is your interpretation of it?

>> No.11244841

>>11244832
Why the homophobia?

>>11244837
Sounds like a faggot

>> No.11244843

>>11244832
>>11244836
>>11244837

Fucking lol, quantum mechanics in a nutshell.

>> No.11244846

>>11244839
I saw Matt talk about it on PBS Spacetime. Ever since I believe it.

>> No.11244968

>>11244837
>putting your peepee into a hole that is highly acid, is full of disgusting bacteria and viruses and that bleeds rotten blood periodically
Male frottage is for heterosexuals, anything else is either gay or gay and disgusting.

>> No.11245399

>>11244825
Read Ashcroft&Mermin, read the fourthe chapter of Griffiths.

Explain without quantum mechanics:
1. The shape of the periodic table
2. Stimulated emission
3. The 21cm line of hydrogen
4. Superconductivity/superfluidity
5. Why matter doesn't collapse in on itself

>> No.11245417

>>11245399
Epic, the coffee houses of old that scientists would meet in to discuss ideas live on, along with the spirits of the great scientists who came before us.

Yeah that will take me a few days, Xmas and all, merry Christmas by the way bro.

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You guys know how I think Quantum mechanics is grossly fraudulant and everything because I have trouble differentiating between reality and fantasy.
Do you guys remember when those French performance artists wrote a fake QM paper and both got PhDs because of it, like I know that couldnt really happen or that would make me correct.

So like for example
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdanov_affair

"The controversy began in 2002, with an allegation that the twins, celebrities in France for hosting science-themed TV shows, had obtained PhDs with nonsensical work. Rumours spread on Usenet newsgroups that their work was a deliberate hoax intended to target weaknesses in the peer review system that physics journals use to select papers for publication"

Like I'm imagining that right?

So I guess my favourite quantum mechanical interpretation of the universe is the bogdanof interpretation,
Or are you all gonna be schizos and say it's a hoax?

>> No.11245569

I'm sure it's only happened once, it's not like they just published any quantum physics paper without reading it,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

Oh wait, they do.

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>>11244825
>https://uk.news.yahoo.com/winter-solstice-stonehenge-101811312.html
WWIII, the Invasion of France, NEWS
Wait on North, East, West, South
Winter Solstice at Stonehenge

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic/zyoZmPNAFHE
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.buddhism.nichiren/3_DyFhU3ojU
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.mormon/3OlgGO0slXw
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.jewish/ST_2ZcrGVaA
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.politics.org.un/r6hY-raE6oo
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.atheism/1nrq8tpOMLo
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/talk.origins/O9n2AyRzs_o
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/anti-theism/MT2rcID6Jxk
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.physics/yjFe3fNLF6I
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.atheism/gftZFaj97UA
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https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.lang/Mir-SE71hRc

Quantum of Angular
h = 6.62607015 x 10^-34 J*s/rad
Quantum of Action
hbar = 9.67055400 x 10^-36 J*s

Sorry forgot Rad
Max Planck

>> No.11245590

>>11245554
It is a controvetsy with two sides to it. You will find physicists who claim Bogfanoff papers are not nonsense.

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>>11245586
>Quantum of Angular
>h = 6.626070150 x 10^-34 J*s/rad
>Quantum of Action
>hbar = 9.670554000 x 10^-36 J*s
>Sorry forgot, Rad
>Max Planck

>> No.11245604

>>11244843
LOL

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>>11245604
The Healing Stone Cures Hundreds
____________________________________

Winter solstice: Thousands gather at Stonehenge at dawn
>https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-50884452
Engineer video: Winter Solstice at Stonehenge
>https://uk.news.yahoo.com/winter-solstice-stonehenge-101811312.html
Stonehenge winter solstice: Parking row mars event
>https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-46658823
Thousands celebrate Winter Solstice at Stonehenge as crowds hug...
>https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10604328/winter-solstice-stonehenge-2019
____________________________________

>>11244825
>>11244075
>>11243012

Parking Ruins Healing
Only 100's Cured

>> No.11245819

>>11245417
>Epic, the coffee houses of old that scientists would meet in to discuss ideas live on, along with the spirits of the great scientists who came before us.
Do not confuse this for a debate between equals. This is me, as an expert, desperately trying to convey the scope of your ignorance on this topic.

>> No.11246479

>>11244825

David Lapoin’s Primer Fields theory.

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>>11244825

I thought novel interpretations of quantum mechanics belonged in /lit?

>> No.11246505

>>11246484
They do. Shut up and calculate

>> No.11246566

>>11244825
Von Neuman Wigner

>> No.11246805

>>11245819
well, you don't have to be a dick to him

>> No.11247087

>>11245590
Really?

. A Centre national de la recherche scientifique (CNRS) internal report later concluded that their theses had no scientific value.
"
The incident prompted criticism of the Bogdanovs' approach to science popularization, led to multiple lawsuits, and provoked reflection among physicists as to how and why the peer review system can fail."

Then the bogdanofs said a non-existant physicists from hong Kong (Dr yang ) worked with them on the paper, and hosted their own fake website for a university that doesn't exist as proof.....

So you believe in quantum mechanics no matter what? Like is the word "quantum" a trigger word to make you obey?

Do you believe in the bogdanoff interpretation of QM, the one that states a facoult pendulum always aligns with the singularity?

>> No.11247094

>>11245819
Don't mistake me for your enemy.
I am the furthest thing from that you can possibly imagine.

>> No.11247100

This thread is garbage and none of you have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

>> No.11247102

>>11246479
Hell yes, now we are talking, thanks anon.
Based.
Experimental evidence, man it's been a while since QM had a real example.

>> No.11247134

>>11246484
You mean because it's an individual's personal opinion that's untestable on how they think unexplained paranormal phenomenon operates?
With artists interpretations of their ideas represented as real experiments?
/X/ would also work.
The nomenclature makes me think they wanted to do rap battles but we're forced to study QM
Like picture a QM physicist with a mic
*DJ drops a siiiick beat*
QM guy" *while beatboxing* (badly)
"It's a polynomial binary substrate,
QED decimals to a billionth place!
Let's ride that collapsed wave into an abstract higher maths time space,
Quantum phasor paradox analogous with non particulate waveforms but I refuse second place.
PUMP UP THE BASE!
*Starts breakdancing*

*Second QM guy grabs mic and prepares to challenge established QM whilst simultaneously believing it's all scientific dogma*
"Non polynomial expression of a Bose Einstein condensate schrödinger's equation puts the periodic table on a silver plate!(citation needed)
Time is an illusion...so you can never be late *points to hot girls in the crowd*
Because you are already there.....
*Drops mic*

(It goes on like this for quite some time, I stop listening after a while)

>> No.11247144

>>11247100
>This thread
Other threads are different?

>> No.11247152

>>11246566
Sorry man, collapsing waveform stuff is just to explain away how waves magically convert to particles and other stuff Einstein's theories propose.
The have been disproven. But much like the anon that though an established hoax that was in the media is real(bogmadof thing), there are many dead ends in QM, anything with light represented as a particle is a dead end.

>> No.11247153

>>11246805
It's all cool brother, cognitive dissonance turns people mean.

>> No.11247158

>>11247100
Enlighten us :) what's your favourite theory, how does it help you understand and advance your research, what are the practical applications and potential future discoveries?

>> No.11247202

>>11244825
FFS. This again so soon?
The answer is Copenhagen & Bohmian, but also none.

>>11214095
>>11216146
To the quantum physicist from the previous thread, or any any physicist:
Solve F=ma, Time Dilation and Length Contraction for a massless particle travelling at 'c'.

My (amateur) understanding is that this results in photons having an infinite velocity and length (in reality capped by the distance to be travelled and observationally by local-realism).

From there, Copenhagen only bends local-realism in the EPR paradox, seeing as there's only an infinitesimal distance between entangled photons between point A and B. In Bohmian terms, the photon IS the pilot-wave, so there's no need for any hidden variables to store the information.

This works with ALL the maths that we know works, and Copenhagen, and Bohmian. F=ma, Time Dilation and Length Contraction all point that way. The fact a photon can go from 0-'c' instantaneously supports this, as does that idea that the speed of light is the same from all reference-frames (an object travelling infinitely fast is exactly infinitely much faster than an observer travelling at 0% and 99.9999999% of 'c').

The only reasons I've seen not to use this is "it's a fact that we can't understand how it works" or "there's no deeper meaning", choosing ignorance is not a valid option.
The other is "we can't put photons on space-time diagram because it's meaningless." I agree. So I made a special space-time diagram.
Now what?

P.S. Hoaxfag, try not to hit the bump-limit so hard this time :)

>> No.11247212

>>11245569
That wasn't a quantum physics paper, it was a sociology paper written by physicists. You could at least read the wiki article you linked.

>> No.11247219

>>11247144
sadly, no
>>11247158
my favorite theory is quantum field theory and I don't bother trying to invent interpretations for things that haven't been solved yet.

>> No.11247239

>>11247100
Well, you can laugh of all the posts all these brainlets do

>> No.11247271

>>11247219
>I don't bother trying to invent interpretations for things that haven't been solved yet.
What godforsaken purpose is their in inventing interpretations for things that have already been solved?!

>>11247152
Collapsing wave-*functions* is a result of objects bot travelling at 'c'; we went through this. The closest mainstream idea is spontaneous-collapse.

>>11247100
So is the idea that quantum mechanics can be solved by stipulating that nothing can travel faster than light, whilst also requiring that somethings can travel faster than the speed of light.
Did you have a point? Or are you just bitching, as bitches are wont to do.

>>11244832
It *explains* what is occurring (as opposed to merely describing it). The only drawback are the Bell Inequalities; which can be circumvented by assuming that photons are lines, instead of point-like.
See >>11247202

>>11244828
For describing things in classical terms, agreed.

>> No.11247507

>>11247212
He published the paper on purpose to point out how fradulant quantum mechanics papers were being published.

>> No.11247509

>>11247202
You know I got my finger on on that motha flippin bump button son!

>> No.11247524

>>11247144
You know you love it.

I have an analogy for what I am proposing

QM is like the shitty night club you leave all depressed because it didn't live up to expectations.

Alternative QM (quantumgate) is the gay nightclub you walk past on the way way home, You can hear the music pumping, it looks like everyone me is having a wonderful time.

So you are like "fuck it, what do I have to lose" and you go inside, and it's actually pretty cool, physics makes sense for a bit, you don't understand what all the fuss is about, you don't necessarily have to embrace the lifestyle but why not have a dance.

Quantum-rape gate is the men's room stall you wander into and never erase the image and this permanently burned into your retinas.

You don't have to go into the men's rooms stall though, you can just enjoy your the weird music.

Your peers are gonna make fun of you though, keep it a secret, or tell them to fuck off, you can live your own life the way you want.

>> No.11247531

>>11247524
Less weird fantasies, more learning. You obviously know nothing yet refuse to educate yourself. If you are serious, you should be studying, not shitposting.

>> No.11247547

>>11247531
Thankyou for your advice :)
Did you read any of the previous thread?
Do you have any questions? Are there any inconsistensies in my theories?

I know the consensus is that I studied for years and years to get an adequate grasp on several scientific fields So i could go on 4chan and trick anons into thinking QM was rife with fraudulant papers,
(As proven with the bogdanof example.)
What would the purpose of such an incredible troll be?

Gimme some feedback on my posts at least.
Do you really believe in massless particles?
How about a directionless vector?
Or a still oscillation, or an afternoon sunrise, quantum mechanics is undermining science in a way you have yet to grasp.

>> No.11247603

>>11244828
Pilot wave was btfo years ago.

>> No.11247688

>>11247603
Do you have any more details?

>> No.11247798

>>11247547
And again, QM predicts all of solid state physics. If you claim QM is false, you must replicate its predictions with an alternative theory. I have given you five. You will fail.

Your insistence that there is no evidence is rooted in your ignorance of the evidence. I have tried many times now to show you this, and yet still you refuse. Again, you show yourself not to be arguing in good faith.

>> No.11247856

>>11247798
Man let's just assume neither of us know for certain, if you are a real scientist then help me work out who is right, obviously I tell you you are wrong it's going to seem like I'm a hindrance to your work or whatever.
Thankyou for your patience and effort in this controversial group project.

I thought I answered most of your r questions before ( except for the superconducting topic) but I was talking to dozens of anons, it's not the best format for linear and coherent conversation.

I have to go to bed as it's pretty late, hopefully tomorrow yields more success,

Let's try one question, the 21 cm hydrogen line. Now on Wikipedia it doesn't say anything about quantum.
And the spin state of electrons is cool, but it's not a quantum phenomena, we can look at electrons, it's how an electron microscope works, I thought they were fully understood,
Do you mean the subset of theory in relation to how QM has no explanation for valence shells and thus electrons are a quantum phenomena? That's like semantics, we understand the 21cm line, I can't provide an alternative explanation as it's not a quantum phenomenon.

That's my opinion, can we expand a little on what your opinion is regarding it?

>> No.11247933

>>11247856
>Let's try one question, the 21 cm hydrogen line. Now on Wikipedia it doesn't say anything about quantum.
>And the spin state of electrons is cool, but it's not a quantum phenomena, we can look at electrons, it's how an electron microscope works, I thought they were fully understood,
Spin is a quantum phenomenon, especially spin flips.
>Do you mean the subset of theory in relation to how QM has no explanation for valence shells and thus electrons are a quantum phenomena? That's like semantics, we understand the 21cm line, I can't provide an alternative explanation as it's not a quantum phenomenon.
But you can use the hydrogen Schrödinger equation to predict the exact value for the 21cm line, something you cannot do with classical physics. This is about predictive power, not hand-waving explanations.

>> No.11248388

The only good interpretation is a dead one.

>> No.11248415

>>11247798
>>11247933
This is great, I'm not disputing it.
Now could you kindly address this?
>>11247202

>>11247603
The Bell inequalities just show that information cannot travel forward in time with the photon.
We know information cannot travel backwards in time (unless you feel like breaking the speed of light).
The only option left is that information is not travelling in either direction of time.
This means the photon is the "pilot-wave", in a way that conforms to the Bell inequalities.

This isn't some crackpot statement. If it's impossible for something to be travelling forwards or backwards, there's only one possible option left, that it's not travelling.
As cliched as it sounds, that's just logic.

>> No.11248865

>>11247524
You know when Copernicus, lets say, didn't like the geocentric model or planets, he actually propesed an alternative to it, so if you are saying that QM is shit, then what alternate model you propose?

>> No.11248979

>>11248865
I didn't like Copenhagen or Bohmian after finding our what they are, so I came up with an alternative and am now proposing an alternative.
>>11248415
Now what?

>> No.11249069

>>11248979
use your model to solve this problem

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b4d4/9c62446394151bd2f437d449a17e96ed3eda.pdf

>> No.11249100

I want pseuds and crackpots to leave /sci/.

>> No.11249104

>>11249069
>https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b4d4/9c62446394151bd2f437d449a17e96ed3eda.pdf

Sorry, I'm not very physics literate. Is your link not a solution? Are you asking me to come up with an alternative one?

>> No.11249112

>>11249104
> Is your link not a solution?
yes

>Are you asking me to come up with an alternative one?
Yep, lets see how it compares yours with this

>> No.11249123

>>11249112
If it's a solution, nothing I'm saying contradicts any of that, so why bother questioning it?

I'm just saying that treating photons's as a line answers the EPR paradox without contradicting or changing any other aspect of physics.

>> No.11249135

>>11249100
Then have an elitist board culture where mathematics is necessitated. Discussions should include applied math problems at every turn. Maths is great at weeding out the people who are either too dumb to get it or not interested enough to do the rigorous work. And it manages to communicate difficult physics in a much more understandable fashion than English or any other languages.

>> No.11249178

>>11249112
This is the EPR Paradox by the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox

>> No.11249184

>>11247524
t. goes to berghain once

>> No.11249190

>>11247798
Man alot of this incompatibility comes from us having different definitions in our minds for words we both use, like the definition of quantum has several meanings,

I will give you an example, quantum biology, now apparently "quantum biology" can mean that in neurotransmission "the movement of neurotransmitters around receptor sites) individual molecules act in a "quantised" or "discrete" manner, you can measure the effects of each individual molecule in the lab,
But it isn't quantum.......in any sense of the word, but we call it quantum because it gets more research funding.
That is one of my main points.
Misuse of the word quantum.

>> No.11249377

>>11247933
I believe in electrons.
My whole thing is about how photons are a misinterpretation of the data, Einstein didn't know about background cosmic rays (EMF) that permeates the universe,
So his theory had to account for the lack of a medium for propagation, this was "proven" by the Michelson-Morley experiment, but the equipment wasn't sensitive enough to detect the interference pattern.
There is a website called www.conspiracyoflight.com that has the experimental proof.
So Einstein had to explain the photoelectric effect without a medium.....
And that's why we have quantum physics, because none of the experiments work.
There is no such thing as a photon, light is purturbations (ripples) in an electromagnetic "ocean*, the ripples are caused by electrons moving between valance shells and interacting with the EMF.

This is all explained at length in the previous thread.

>> No.11249386

>>11249135
I have been spamming this forum for a month and I have seen very little maths....
I think all the anons pretending to be quantum physicists is misleading you.
Quantum mechanics nomenclature is a mystical, semi-nonsensical gibberish language to confuse you and make your head spin.
Try to give me some maths, in times of trouble it is often up to us to rise to the occasion, rather than relying on the efforts of others.

>> No.11249388

>>11249184
What lol?

>> No.11249395

>>11249135
You could have a forum where it was mandatory to throw some maths in the post or it won't upload, like you could set it as an option when you started a thread.
Be like
>>Maths fags get in here!
Good idea bro.

>> No.11249452

>>11249395
Ashcroft&Mermin, Griffiths. I gave you the references, you haven't read them.

>> No.11249600

>>11249452
You're the guy I was referring to in this one, right?
>>11247202
>To the quantum physicist from the previous thread...

Are you this guy too?
>>11249069

I can tell by the fact you're only going for the easy target that you won't respond unless it's to do someone down.
Nonetheless.
I'm just a guy who got lost all enthusiasm for physics a while back but got intrigued by the triple filter paradox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5GqoV9wVh4
Those results, which are as reliant on quantum mechanics as the single-photon double-slit experiment, can be replicated with an experiment entirely based in classical mechanics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFah3SZ5UdA with the difference being that we see photons as being point-like particles (or having point-like wave-fronts), whereas in the experiment (and Bohmian mechanics), photons are line-like (or string-like, if you like that theory).

Blah blah, that stuff is self-evident, so you can't do me down on that.
F=ma, Time Dilation, Length Contraction, those points corroborate.
Blah, just a re-working of the Ladder Paradox, blah, which is accepted as fact.

You never stated your position by the way, is it Copenhagen?
Feynman fan as well?
No wonder people like Hoaxfag sink their teeth in when your position boils down to "particles move in mysterious ways" so we can never divine a deeper meaning.
When your excuse for violating the speed of light is that the universe "cares" whether or your breaking of the speed of light can be used to talk faster than the speed of light, like God has a spreadsheet and the equations of the universe and makes exceptions on a case by case basis.

>>11249388
And Hoaxfag, you're no better, expecting people to buy in to your brand of madness, when you won't entertain anyone else's.
If anything you should be rooting for me to consolidate all the variations on QM in to one, so that it's simpler to experimentally prove or disprove.

>> No.11249741

>>11247507
Yeah, but it's a bad example since they published in a non peer reviewed sociology journal. What this shows is that an expert Ina field can convince several non experts that they know what they're talking about even when they're saying nonsense.

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Classical phenomena satisfy the action principle through the minimum of the action. "Weird" quantum phenomena satisfy the action principle through the maximum of the action.

>> No.11249839

>>11249452
I have stuff I do outside of 4chan, I will do it as soon as I can.

>> No.11249858

>>11249600
I don't believe particles move in mysterious ways, there are no particles in my theory. Light is a wave-packet, a measurable waveform in an electromagnetic ocean, there is nothing smaller than an electron, no photons, no quarks, nothing .
They are all theoretical.
The errors in contemporary science are because the peer review process is deeply flawed, and popular science is exaggerating discoveries.

And hey man, I'm not trying to be better than anyone, consider me the lowest,
I like your contributions though this is some high level science, thankyou.

>> No.11249875

>>11249750
I agree with the publishing of fraudulant stuff and misrepresenting stuff. Very cool man.

>> No.11249884

>>11249600
It's just a theory man, I don't know it it's true or not, I believe it's true, it's my interpretation of quantum mechanics, that was the original thread brother.

>> No.11250062

>>11247688
Sure:
https://www.quantamagazine.org/famous-experiment-dooms-pilot-wave-alternative-to-quantum-weirdness-20181011/

>>11248415
See above. Also, your premise is wrong. Hence, so are your conclusions.

>> No.11250180

>>11250062
Awesome, thankyou.

>> No.11250196

many worlds is patrician-tier. Literally everything that can happen does happen, it is perfect and symmetric.

>> No.11250337

>>11250062
>https://www.quantamagazine.org/famous-experiment-dooms-pilot-wave-alternative-to-quantum-weirdness-20181011/
That article is really useful.
So de Broglie pilot waves were btfo.
http://math.mit.edu/~bush/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Pucci-Slits-2017.pdf
Doesn't mention Bohm.
The article doesn't mention Bohm until near the end where it says:
>"Proofs in the 1970s showed that de Broglie-Bohm theory makes exactly the same predictions as standard quantum mechanics. However, with one element of classical reality restored — concrete particles — new mysteries arise, like how or why a mathematical wave function that’s spread everywhere in space is bolted in certain places to physical particles."

>See above. Also, your premise is wrong. Hence, so are your conclusions.
Weird how you can be so specific about how others are wrong but not this.
>"yOUrE wRoNG"
The premise is that Bohmian mechanics is disproved by the Bell inequalities (correct) and that entanglement requires that something going on in one region of space, affects another region of space, faster than the speed of light (also correct).
The only other bit of the premise is that this is not a "mystery".
So your argument boils down to "you can't disprove a mystery, therefore it's a mystery".
Cute.

>>11249858
>>11249884
Cheers.

>> No.11250353

>>11250337
His premose was that the Bell inequalities showed that information cannot travel forward in time with the photon, whatever that means exactly.
I did not say he was wrong, just his conclusion.

I don't know what you want so say with the rest of your condescension, especially since you turned his premise around completely and somehow use it to argue against something I never said. Guess that's what schizos are all about on this board.

>> No.11250374

>>11247603
It never actually worked, as there is no relativistic formulation of pilot wave theory compatible with QFT, really it should not even be called an interpretation because interpretations are supposed to be experimentally indistinguishable, not falsified

>> No.11250602

>>11250374
Hm, true. Never thought about that to be honest.

>> No.11250613

>>11250196
that’s not symmetry brainlet

>> No.11251848

>>11250353
Man that post is basically a personal attack, is that all you got to respond with?
You are trying to prove a perfect, bedrock foundation of contemporary physics with experimental proof apparently, and you can't provide any evidence other than a personal attack?
The reason to find it condescending is because someone is disagreeing with you and you think you are automatically correct.
Link is to some evidence that quantum mechanics is actually a real science.

>> No.11251957

>>11250374
Nice.

>> No.11252247

>>11251848
I think you replied to the wrong person. Because personal attack is what this guy did:
>>11250337

I never said I was automatically correct, that was also the other guy.

Anyways, experiment is the penultimate test of physics. Hoaxfag, you seemed reasonable at times. Now I'm just disappointed.

>> No.11252271

>>11252247
I apologise, I must have mixed up the "anon" handles, sorry man, don't leave the party.

I was just thinking about how
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubo%C5%A1_Motl
Read the bognadof PhD thesis and thought it was awesome and totally legit, so do you think we could safely say his work or reviews are inherently flawed?
I think so. What do you think?