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Why aren't thermodynamics part of chemistry instead of physics?

>> No.11233031

For the same reason quantum mechanics is. It's part of how the universe works, so physicists study it and chemists use it.

>> No.11233035

>>11232934
Thermodynamics is taught in both, though. Chemistry uses a lot of enthalpy and heat exchange. Even Biology uses Gibbs free energy and such.

>> No.11233097

>>11233031
>physicists study it and chemists use it
It's actually the other way around

>> No.11233115

>>11232934
Thermodynamics is a part of physics, chemistry and engineering because all of them need to know it.

>> No.11233120

>>11232934
It's useful in all fields specially civil engineering and designing bridges.

>> No.11233122

>>11233097
Where did you get that idea?

>> No.11233565

>>11233122
It feels more like chemists study thermodynamics and that physicists put that knowledge into practice to make something

>> No.11233743

>>11233565
>physicists
>make something
topkek

>> No.11233752

>>11232934
why are there different fields of study for phenomenon which more often than not cross the arbitrary categorizations our almighty state-sanctioned vizier scientists assigned to them?

>> No.11233784

>>11232934
>what is thermochemistry

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>>11232934
Why isn't the photoelectric effect in physics instead of chemistry?

>> No.11235336

>>11233752
Good question
Why isn't the educational system past middle school a slidebar where you can choose what subjects or chapters you want to learn without being confined to categories?

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>>11232934
They are just most "chemistry professors" are dumb as brick women who don't understand thermodynamics.

>> No.11235423

>>11232934
It is, even tho you can make energy from nothing.

>> No.11235424

>>11232934
In Europe (France), it is part of chemistry.

>> No.11235483

>>11235424
It's a requirement for chem majors in my American college as well

>> No.11235926

>>11235424
In eastern europe and some parts of asia thermodynamics are exclusively a physics requirement for some reason

>> No.11235930

>>11232934
Because physicists historically studied it.
Carnot, for example, was a physicist.
>>11233565
Nice feeling.

>> No.11235935

>>11232934
From what I’ve seen chemistry and engineering focus more on “classical” thermodynamics than physics does where the focus is more on statistical physics

>> No.11235944

>>11232934
>Why aren't thermodynamics part of chemistry
It is though. The useful thermo is in chemistry, unlike what they teach you in physics which is 90% useless theoretical mental masturbation.

>> No.11235960

>>11232934
>>11233031
I studied chemistry and I had courses about thermodynamic and quantum mechanism...

>> No.11235988

>>11232934
there is no clear distinction between the two; it's like physics is the letters and chemistry the grammar. (biology is the book)

>> No.11236124

>>11232934
Do chemists actually study proper stat mech?

>> No.11236136

>What is physical chemistry

>> No.11237051

>>11235351
hey man

>> No.11237066

Thermodynamics is just a vague description of an emergent phenomenon, like ohm's law or ideal gas law or moore's law. It's not a theory.

It belongs in lesser fields like chemistry or engineering.

>> No.11237093

>>11232934
because using oxygen which is a chemical isn't chemis… hey wait a second...

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>>11232934
Obligatory.

>> No.11237419

>>11237093
mathematics is applied philosophy

>> No.11237622

>>11233565
you're confusing physicists with engineers, anon.

>> No.11237626

>>11237256
>biology is just applied chemistry
that's what biochemistry is, biology as a whole is very different.

>> No.11237677

>>11232934
Thermodynamics and QM are part of every respectable chemistry degree.

>>11236124
The more modern approach in chem programs is to progress from QM up to stat mech and use that to rederive classical thermo. Plenty of programs just run them as two separate disconnected courses though, and skip stat mech

>> No.11237679

It all plays into our understanding of reality and the distinction between scientific disciplines (though it makes it easier to teach and find scientific niches) only gets the way most of the time. No, I don’t propose we change anything. It just seems retarded

>> No.11237753

>>11237066
Thermodynamics is one of the most profound, all-encompassing theories of physics ever. From the mere assumption that you can describe a system with a set of extensive variables, you can derive all of thermodynamics, including universal limits on efficiency. All other physics can be proven wrong, thermodynamics will hold forever.

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>>11232934
Thermodynamics is part of chemistry.

Thermodynamics is part of biology.

Aspects of reality do not "belong" to different disciplines but are instead viewed from the context of that discipline.

>> No.11237853

>>11232934
They are holy fuck have you ever actually taken a chem course?

What do you think the triangle symbol means? "Change in" that is entropy and enthalpy you donk. Thermodynamics is one of the most topical and applicable aspects of chem

>> No.11237942

>>11233565
Physicists study it, then engineers build it dingus