Colonizing Saturn is the only economically viable option

[Anonymous No.11230201]

we should really be colonising Saturn, its one of the few places a space colony would pay off economically in the short and long term, the gravity is the most similar to earth 1.065 G's, the pressure and temps a perfectly survivable at certain altitudes, and the atmosphere is primarily hydrogen and helium which can both be separated into deuterium and helium-3 using centrifuges, even though the energy cost is 10x higher to reach escape velocity the pay off makes it worth it, a 150 tonne payload rocket on saturn could launch 15 tonnes of liquid helium-3 which could supply Americas power for a entire year instantly paying off all costs of rockets ect. its much easier in operation than helium 3 from lunar regolith. we could live in floating cities and or dome cities on titan. we could become the new middle east but for helium 3 instead of oil. Discuss.

[Anonymous No.11230218]

>>11230201
hello

[Anonymous No.11230225]

What about colonizing titan, Saturn's moon? Thanks!

[Anonymous No.11230242]

>>11230218
yes?

[Anonymous No.11230246]

>>11230225
titan is good too but low gravity may spell some health issues also much more energy is available on Saturn

[Anonymous No.11230247]

Who says h3 cycle is a net producer of energy?

Show me one reactor design that actually works economically.

[Anonymous No.11230267]

>>11230242
saturn is a gaseous planet are you going to float

[Anonymous No.11230270]

>>11230267
>>https://www.windows2universe.org/saturn/interior/S_int_compo_overview.html

[Anonymous No.11230276]

>>11230247
basically every physicist lmao, we just dont have the quantities of it on earth to do it, we wouldn't have the amount to make even a single reactor

[Anonymous No.11230280]

>>11230267
yes, using hot air balloons

[Anonymous No.11230281]

>>11230201
how about we colonize venus clouds first? it'll be hard but not impossible.

[Anonymous No.11230284]

>>11230276
We can't even do D-T fusion, which is the easiest. The instabilities generated by confining the plasma to magnitudes of higher pressure than for D-T fusion are way beyond our ability to calculate and prevent them.

[Anonymous No.11230286]

>>11230281
Why Venus atmosphere is full of acids due to his volcanic activity , Mars is an easy place to stablish ,taking for granted that you can go there first

[Anonymous No.11230292]

>>11230284
no its not, he-3 - deuterium is the easiest retard.

[Anonymous No.11230294]

>>11230281
Saturn is better as it has more usable resources and is more economically viable

[Anonymous No.11230295]

>>11230286
at 50km to 53km venus have earth like conditions and its safe from any natural disaster and ionizing radiation.
the pressure in that part is just like earth surface too and the acid clouds can be neutralized with teflon.
you can even harvest those same acid clouds to get clean water.

[Anonymous No.11230303]

>>11230294
I know but the distance is too great.
its better to experiment on venus first to test technology and then proceed with the rest.
and venus can be economically viable of we get to conquest maxwell montea first.

[Anonymous No.11230313]

>>11230201
What about Jupiter's moon Europa?

[jesus the devil No.11230318]

>>11230303
you cant fuxking live on venus. its too fucking hot and the acids, as another anon said.

wasted dubbs

[Anonymous No.11230319]

>>11230201
learn about planetary protection

[Anonymous No.11230325]

>>11230303
distance doesn't matter
also venus will never be economically productive because anything u can get on venus u can get on earth without worrying about interplanetary travel

[Anonymous No.11230326]

>>11230247
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helion_Energy
They finished up a successful 3 year collab with arpa-e and are building a full size demo reactor right now.

[Anonymous No.11230329]

>>11230313
no real point, no special resources and Jupiter cant be mined realistically

[Anonymous No.11230367]

Its the white races only hope

[Anonymous No.11230461]

>>11230267
Wheeeee

[Anonymous No.11230480]

>>11230313
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE.

[Anonymous No.11230481]

>>11230201
How2fund? We can't scrape together the money to return to the moon, much less go to Mars or Saturn.

[Anonymous No.11230946]

>>11230325
we call it economic scapegoat.

[Anonymous No.11231590]

>>11230481
we fund it with helium-3 we only need one mission, doesnt even have to be manned, to pay off it and all future missions

[Anonymous No.11231612]

[Anonymous No.11231615]

I personally think that colonizing planets is so far out of reach that pushing for these things at this stage is unproductive because it ignores more practical things that could lead us to colonizing planets when we become more technologically advanced.

I think that mining asteroids should be our priority right now rather than Jeff Bezoz talking to us about making bs space stations well all live on. By the way, Id never want to live on such a space station, its a terrorists dream. Just find a way to kill the power and everyone is dead.

[Anonymous No.11231621]

>>11231615
energy is more important than resources, helium 3 is way more important than asteroids

[Anonymous No.11231627]

>>11231612
more like tis, realistically

[Anonymous No.11231645]

>>11231621
Ok but this is unrealistic for about the next 100 years, at the least. Just because its more important doesnt mean that it should be done before other things.
>we could live in floating cities and or dome cities on titan. we could become the new middle east but for helium 3 instead of oil. Discuss.

[Anonymous No.11231651]

>>11231627
You wouldnt be able to do this with our current tech. This is something that is very far in the future.

[Anonymous No.11231660]

>>11230201
YES! We must all become 1 inch tall midgets!!

[Anonymous No.11231671]

>>11231651
>>11231645
yes it is possible
like a venus colony

[Anonymous No.11231683]

>>11231660
what the fuck are u talking about retard, i said saturn not jupiter idiot, the surface gravity on saturn is 1.065 g which is nearly identical to earths and unlike microg we have simulated the effects of hyper gravity up to 3 g, you wouldnt even notice 6% increase, a 75kg man would weigh 79 kgs

[Anonymous No.11231689]

>>11231671
Airships are not really comparable to mining colonies.

[Anonymous No.11231698]

>>11231683
You call me a retard, yet you do not consider that the gravity on the clouds of saturn is 1.065g, but then you said surface gravity, which is actually closer to 6.1g...

[Anonymous No.11231722]

>>11231698
no its not u fucking idiot
holy shit the surface gravity is 1.065
show me ur fuckign sauce on 6.1 g u retard. it doesnt exist
the difference in gravity from cloud tops and "solid ground" is nearly non existent

[Anonymous No.11231726]

>>11231698
SURFACE gravity on Saturn is 1.065 that is the MAXIMUM gravity reaches anywhere on or in Saturn. just as 1 g is the maximum gravity reaches on earth no matter how deep u dig, and the difference from cloud tops to solid ground is a big fat nothing burger. go back to school u retard

[Anonymous No.11231733]

>>11231627
It has to look a little more floaty on the bottom.

[Anonymous No.11231736]

>>11231698
http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/112-How-strong-is-the-gravity-on-Saturn-
also if are about half way between the equator and the poles, horizontal acceleration from spinning is enough ud feel exactly 1 g of force

[Anonymous No.11231744]

>>11230318
Why such a name? Are you falling under the influence of schizos. Are you one, larping as another? Can't it be hotter above or below ground?

[Anonymous No.11231752]

>>11231722
>>11231726
>>11231736
They said that the gravity observed at the surface level of the clouds, which are at the outer regions of the planets gravity, are 1.065g... lol
LOL surface gravity of the planets surface will melt your dick to the ground. Remember that it is a gas planet, meaning that the gas removes the pressures of gravity, but remember, that they are talking about the surface level of the top of the clouds... As you get closer to the surface, it is like a swimming pool. The pressures increase as you go further to the bottom.

[Anonymous No.11231771]

>>11231752
pressure does not equal gravity u fuck knuckle cunt bag
at the bottom of the ocean where u will be crushed, the gravity is the same u fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.11231774]

>>11231752
pressure=/= gravity

[Anonymous No.11231781]

>>11231771
HA! What do you think the pressure of gravity is?
*drops apple* as you can see, the apple takes awhile to fall. *drops apple on saturn* as you can see, the apple falls slower, but as you can tell that is because of the density of the clouds and the atmosphere, observe the apple, and the pressures of gravity. The pressure of gravity is lesser at the top of the mountain than it is beside the sea.

[Anonymous No.11231784]

>>11231781 u fucking retard u are talking about air resistance LMAOOOO, that has nothing to do with gravitational acceleration forces

[Anonymous No.11231788]

>>11231781
U have to be trolling no way can someone be as retarded as you if a object falls slower because of air resistance than another object because of a lack of air resistance that doesn't mean its experiencing less gravity holy fuck lmao

[Anonymous No.11231789]

>>11231784
Remove the helium, and you remove that which is causing the gravity to be lesser than it is, so we are still talking about atmospheric gravity, but actual gravity of the planet, is higher than that which is on earth by a fucking milestone. MASS = GRAVITY.

[Anonymous No.11231790]

>>11231784
As a result, its surface gravity (again, measured from the top of its clouds) is just slightly more than Earth's, which is 10.44 m/s2 (or 1.065 g).Dec 29, 2015

[Anonymous No.11231797]

>>11230201

Saturn is like a 20 year trip though, that'd be incredibly risky to pull off. Even if you forgot one bit of equipment you'd be fucked.

[Anonymous No.11231800]

>>11231789
>>11231790
english mustn't be your first language because u have been speaking nonsense,m but i think u are talking about the rocky earth core of Saturn, its really doesnt matter to this conversation because we are living in cloud cities, where gravity is 1g -1.065g depending on latitude

[Anonymous No.11231806]

>>11231797
https://www.quora.com/How-long-would-it-take-to-get-to-Saturn
not really we could get the in 2 years or less if we dont take big windy slingshots around half the solar system, by taking a direct path we use more fuel but get there in 2 years flat

[Anonymous No.11231812]

>>11231797
>"Voyager 1 took about a 16 months to get to Jupiter and then another 20 months to get to Saturn. [It got a gravity assist at Jupiter.]"

[Anonymous No.11231841]

>>11231800
You honestly think that the core of the planet of Saturn is a giant gas ball? When we haven't seismographed the planet? You read the papers yes, understand that it is a gas planet yes... But is a black hole, a giant ball of gas? Is that which is larger than others, weighs less? When gravity is the collection of particles, those particles condense, which leads to greater mass, and thus size?

It's the observation of the surface gravity of the top of the clouds... Not the surface level of the ground. :)

[Anonymous No.11231863]

>>11231841
it depends what u classify as surface, and its not a black hole lmao the planet would have super heated from the accretion disk. its a rocky planet core 10-20 earth masses

[Anonymous No.11231866]

>>11231841
please stop speaking, u are barely legible in English, learn better English before talking about this shit

[Anonymous No.11231892]

>>11231863
>saturn is not a black hole
You must not have much understanding. I was giving an example to size relation to mass.
>the planet would have super heated from that which exists around the planet.
Sure buddy... but no.
You just admitted, it is 10-20 earth masses. Meaning it's gravity on it's surface must be that which is denser than that on earth... You claim that gravity is not the atmospheric pressure, yet are confirming that the gravity on the surface is 1.065g. You say I need to learn english, but you suggested the surface of Saturn was 1.065g.

I think you are talking to me while talking to yourself... Ehh?

Pic related

[Anonymous No.11231904]

>>11231866
The surface of the clouds boy... Learn to read ;)

[Anonymous No.11231940]

>>11230201
>colonizing something that behaves more like a cold underpowered sun than a planet rather than a rocky planet like mars
You are silly

[Anonymous No.11231962]

>>11231892
fucken hell bois under tha sea

[Anonymous No.11232088]

>>11231892
u fucking idiot mass doesn't scale linearly with gravity retard, the density of the core of saturn is lower than earth despite being larger its gravity wouldn't be more than 1.5 g's

[Anonymous No.11232095]

>>11231940
>getting cancer from lack of magnetic shield
>thyroid shuts down from perchlorates
>gets cancer from hexavalent chromium
>gets osteoporosis and muscle atrophy from micro g
>no economically viable resources
ahhh yes the superior rocky planet

[Anonymous No.11232099]

>>11231892
please stfu retard, im getting a stroke trying to read you lmao

[jesus the devil No.11233094]

>>11231744
too hot for most or all people either wau you nigger

[Anonymous No.11234444]

>>11230267
We all float down here ... On SATURN!!

[Anonymous No.11234450]

>>11230313
ATTEMPT NO LANDING HERE

[Anonymous No.11234576]

>>11231627
They will be more like floating hamster tubes. Where the lifting gas envelopes are above the mass of the colony. The colony would be modular. You'd have some observation decks here and there, but nothing grand and awe inspiring. It'd probably look like a greeble cluster fuck.

>>11231651
>>11231689
We have the science and the general tech needed to do it. It is merely an engineering challenge. There's also a problem with funding since most people with money don't see a return on their investment in a time span the can appreciate.

>>11231752
At the altitude where the pressure is near 100kPa, the gravity is nearly 1g, and the temps are around 134K. The only problem is that it is cold as fuck, but heating something up is pretty damn easy. Especially, when you have an atmosphere of fuel you can draw upon. The only things I'd really worry about are wind sheer forces and meteorites. The rings' debris is constantly falling into the atmosphere.