/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11210492]

Are fusion reactors the future, or should we just improve the thermal, and fast reactors we have?

[Anonymous No.11210612]

>>11210492
If really pressed humans have demonstrated they can make fission reactors in 6 months.
For commercial purposes fusion is better since it has less problems if mismanaged.

[Anonymous No.11210617]

Fission will never be accepted. I don't know why this is so hard for fissiontards to understand. Normies will never ever ever care about any of the benefits. On top of that, there are very limited supplies of uranium and on top of that you are running the risk of nuclear proliferation.

Fusion has literally no downsides and the technology exists. It just needs to be made better and more efficient. The goal should be to have ITER started ASAP and DEMO start soon afterwards.

[Anonymous No.11210648]

>>11210492
We should develop molten salt reactors as a means of reducing the half life of the nuclear waste building up from today's solid fuel reactors (from thousands of years to 300 years). It's so goddamn irresponsible to leave it as a deadly surprise for anyone unlucky enough to unearth it after this society collapses.
It still contains 95% of the energy and is discarded because of radioactive gasses breaking them from the inside.

[Anonymous No.11210776]

Fusion is a waste for residential power.
Only good for space and industrial applications.

Residential power is going all solar battery. Nothing can stop this now.

[Anonymous No.11211129]

>>11210776

[Anonymous No.11211134]

>>11210617
A fission plant in the hand is worth more than two fusion plants on PowerPoint.

Also, seawater extraction makes fission renewable.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2016/07/01/uranium-seawater-extraction-makes-nuclear-power-completely-renewable/

[Anonymous No.11211150]

>>11210617
>Normies will never ever ever care about any of the benefits.
the problems is normies are undeducate didiots in a capitalism system in which colelge education costs 100.000.000 times what it should,

if you dont understand that college should be free and capitalism destroyed in favour of a non baby killing socialism then youre an idiot problem and the normiest of them all

[Anonymous No.11211160]

>>11211150
>capitalism destroyed in favour of a non baby killing socialism

"Communism will work this time we swear."

[Anonymous No.11211210]

>>11211160
add world wars 100% started by capitalist countries, people killed by colonial capitalist goverments, people killed by coups objectively confirmed by declassified cia files to be confirmed by the cia and that adds up to around 60% of all the people that died since the industrial revolution.

[Anonymous No.11211222]

>>11211210
Even if your faulty whataboutism was true how does that make your shitty ideology any better when every attempt of it so far has been a tyrannical nightmare with a death toll in the hundreds of millions within only half a century?

[Anonymous No.11211234]

>>11211210
>people killed by colonial capitalist goverments
>capitalist goverments
>goverments

No you retarded commie fuck. Wars aren't caused by not nationalizing everything and not seizing everyone's property.

Colonialism and imperialism are all throwbacks to mercantilism, which capitalism opposes since Adam Smith wrote "The Wealth of Nations".

[Anonymous No.11211237]

>>11211210
>I shat my pants in a capitalist country
>Therefore capitalism makes me shit my pants

Kys retard

[Anonymous No.11211242]

>>11211222
Absolutely

"Capitalism is bad" does not equal to "socialism is good" even assuming the first proposition is true.

[Anonymous No.11211265]

>>11211210
>add world wars 100% started by capitalist countries
lmao nice argument

[Anonymous No.11211273]

Fusion is just ten years away.

[Anonymous No.11211275]

Functional prototype within 5 years. Ignore the haters, the fire RISES.

[Anonymous No.11211325]

>>11211275
they will expect to find one of ours in the reactor....
did we start the fire?
yes

[Anonymous No.11211350]

>>11211275
After ITER is a prototype demonstrator. So we are talking 20 years away.

[Anonymous No.11211442]

>>11211350
HA ITER is a joke, an idol to Big Science where piles of public money are burned to guarantee jobs and maybe slightly advance science. The private industry is driving circles around them. Keep an eye on Helion energy and Tokamak Energy. They're doing the best so far. SPARC is interesting but are just getting started.

[Anonymous No.11211443]

>>11211442
Baste retarded Trump poster

[Anonymous No.11211462]

>>11210776

[Anonymous No.11211527]

>>11210617
>running the risk of nuclear proliferation
Saying shit like this is practically screaming that you're a brainlet. Newsflash: We're way past nuclear proliferation. It's a non issue. Waste management is a solved issue, excluding the reeing by retarded "environmentalists." The "limited" supply is only an issue if fusion didn't exist, but it does, meaning by the time fissile material becomes hard to find, we'll be transitioning to fusion. All fission had to do was to last us from the 1970s to ~2100 while we cracked fusion. We could have started replacing coal fired plants en masse in the mid 1970s and made the transition to electric cars feasible, drastically reducing CO2 emissions, but environmentalists are easily the dumbest sub culture in the history of our species and fucked it up. Congratulations, the continued climate crisis is solely your fault.

[Anonymous No.11211535]

>>11211210
>add world wars 100% started by capitalist countries
Nazi Germany was a socialist country, hence "National Socialism," and I don't know if you got this in whatever shitty school you attended, but it's agreed they started WWII. Socialism was actually working quite well for them and making communist Jews pissed. Should we follow their example?

[Anonymous No.11211589]

>>11211462
I've seen this before on pol.
Of course the fun goes away when you realize the dock cleans and refills it. The dock being powered by all the other panels and a human refills it.

[Anonymous No.11211593]

>>11211443
...Trump? The fuck does he have to do with nay of this? I didn't vote for him and I think the dems have at least a couple of decent candidates,he sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.11212554]

>>11210492
I was talking with my sister and mom, both very against fusion because of "Atomkraft, Nein danke!". I explained to them the vast difference between fusion power and fission power but it seems it was fruitless because both are on the anti-modernist enviromentalist train. That makes me fear that the modern public will be qutie against fusion for no other reason that the powr gained origins from atomic interactions. It makes me desperate.

[Anonymous No.11212558]

>>11211275

>t. 2014

[Anonymous No.11212560]

>>11211129
I'm on the fusion train but solar could supply earth with enough energy if we go beyond the horizon and built mirrors in space. Problem is that you could easily turn that in a weapon and it would require a global effort I doubt modern politics is capable of doing.

[Anonymous No.11212564]

They all have some major design constraints, but Tokamaks have the best shot and the best results.

Look up Commonwealth Fusion of MIT, hundreds of millions in funding, and much less stuff to build then ITER.Good plans for the blanket and maitnence/removal of waste.

Tokamak Fusion of UK has a youtube, posting a lot of content. Going slow but steady, no idea how to extract the power out of it though.

First Light Fusion seems like a meme, but neat idea

There was some crazy Boron fusion in Australia that got hyped up last year, but it went full private and not a peep has been said. "We have the math that this process can work" and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.11212586]

>>11210492
We already built a fusion power but at a energy net loss, in my opinion a energy net gain fusion reactor will be operationable in the later 30s. The first commerical fusion reactor will be built in the 40/50s. Only in the 70s we will see the fusion power hit the economy on a grand scale. At first its gonna be Deuterium-Tritum reactors, after some success we will set up Deuterium-Helium reactors, if we are lucky we will see in the 90s the first delivery of Helium-3 from the moon. Later on from Saturn and Uranus but by then humanity will have become a space-faring cyborg species.

[Anonymous No.11212592]

>>11212564
Pulsed FRC is inherantly much easier. Helion Energy is going strong after a successful 3 year collab with ARPA-E. A full sized prototype is being built as we speak.

Keep your eyes open bros. These are exciting times.

[Anonymous No.11212607]

>>11211527
>Waste management is a solved issue
you seem to know something we dont know?

[Anonymous No.11212616]

>>11211222
>They said it was communism so it was communism

Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic because its in the name.

[Anonymous No.11212621]

>>11211535
>Nazi Germany was a socialist country

Holy fuck do people really believe this?
No, Nazi Germany did not replace its corporations with cooperatives.

[Anonymous No.11212671]

>>11212607
Even using current methods, there's just really not that much waste from nuclear. Yucca is fine, and there is plenty of space in this country to store nuclear waste for 100 years until we switch to fusion, that doesn't involve burning coal/natural gas and spewing the waste into the atmosphere. Add in that because of constant opposition from environmentalists or nuclear fuel cycle is extremely efficient, and that by reprocessing spent fuel and building fast reactors we could dramatically reduce both the amount of waste to be stored and the duration it's dangerous, and waste management is a solved issue. We know how and where to store nuclear waste, and we know how to significantly reduce the waste that needs to be stored, and the waste that needs to be stored in the first place is insignificant.