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What happens after we die? Where does our consciousness go? Is eternal return scientifically possible?

>> No.11209128

>>11209126
To my personal singularity dimension where people who ultimately believe in oblivion OR suicide as the final answer to anything meet me in order to be respecced into this immortal singularity life.

>> No.11209130

>>11209126
nothing happens. as in there is nothing, no thought, no regret, no desire, just nothing. it's the cessation of anything, the universe will suddenly cease to exist from your perspective and you won't care anyways.

nothing is something you'll probably never figure out
but nothing ain't nothing to worry about.

>> No.11209141

>>11209130
Woohoo! A fresh soul for my hell! Fan-fucking-tastic!

>> No.11209146

>>11209141
your hell? this has been apparent to me since I was old enough to think and would be to anyone with the capability of older thought, there would be no reason for a god to send a 3 year old child to hell for being able to fit together the easiest two pieces there is to, so close and so far from death.

>> No.11209148

>>11209128
Where do the believers in an afterlife go then

>> No.11209151

>>11209146
No, that isn't the reason you got sent to my hell. You got sent to MY hell because nobody wanted to be Satan again, not even me, but I made my hell the redemption hell and eventually all these judgement/punishment stories will all lose their steam.

>>11209148
Uh, heaven. It's Earth. I'm pulling quite a large and complex GOTCHA on an entire global populace, accounting for minute variations in indigenous story-telling and ancient spirit gardening craft. Nobody CARES what the end result will be, just if all the old fucks still in power get the fucking message already.

>Youth are behind me, 100%

>> No.11209152

>>11209151
>he reason you got sent to my hell
anon I wouldn't talk to me such ways. You will live to regret it, for eternity.

>> No.11209169

how would you know, one can only speculate.

>> No.11209185

>>11209169
The way that I see it there is two possibilities and I think both have essentially the same implications on how you should live your life
1) there is a 'God', in my opinion, God would have to be everything an therefore we are all God, or at least a part of it, if we return to the universe when we die and there is consciousness it would just be reabsorbed and whatever you did would be irrelevant and if you study choice, freewill, probability and the like as I have my whole existence, it seems as ridiculous to judge someone for their actions as it would be the guy that gave them a dirty look the week before or the girl that wouldn't date him 15 years ago or his mother that didn't breastfeed one day as a child. This is under the presumption that the man isn't aware of the inconsequence of his perceived freewill, I think being aware of it can be a dangerous thing in itself and I have seen/caused men to rash/irrational things when I've confronted them deeply with the topic, including jumping infront of a car or being beaten nearly to death in an attempt to prove their 'free will' to me when all they had done was proved that their actions are purely deterministic, my conversation with them being the node that caused those outcomes.
2) There is nothing, again nothing matters, the outcome is still irrelevant and of no consequence to you currently, but if you want to experience as much as possible you should continue to live, and live well, but it will serve you no purpose afterwards, because there will be no effect to the final cause.

2) There isn't a god, another realm we pass to and there is nothing.

>> No.11209192

>>11209185
3rd possibility, there is no passing anywhere. Our brains just stop functioning and consciousness ends

>> No.11209194

>>11209192
that is 2.

>> No.11209200

>>11209194
My bad I didn't read the second to last paragraph

>> No.11209238

>>11209126
you die and fade into darkness... then pop out a egg and start over!!! lmao.

>> No.11209297

>>11209152
Thank fuck! I like having eternal playmates!

>> No.11209463

You wake up on a wooden cart

>> No.11209466

>>11209463

>> No.11209668

Where does our consciousness go when we sleep?

>> No.11209720

>>11209668
Into Sindy, my sister. Where the fuck else would I trust anything in existence to be in, if not my fucking divine sister Sindy Vagus?

>> No.11209729

>>11209126
>What happens after we die?

You rot

> Where does our consciousness go?

Where does a party “go” when everyone at the party leaves?

It doesn’t go anywhere. It’s over.

>> No.11209769

>>11209126
Your brain shuts down so whatever is "conscious" dissipates forever.

>> No.11209783

>>11209126
Define what is "we". Your body definitely rots here, as well as your brain. However, the gist lies on the perspective if we are the emissors of the signal or just a receiver that eventually breaks and the signal moves on.

It doesn't matter, IMO. It can't never be empirically verified in the same sense you can't measure the level of butthurt of someone with a rectal thermometer. You can take the big jump to start finding your own lonely path of meaning in life, which usually means beaing always at odd ends with everyone, or clump yourself with the bland unfulfilling philosophical systems that already exist.

All I truly hope for is that there's not what I deem a 'Conscious Oblivion' - being conscious but trapped forever in the void of nothing, becoming insane to the point of creating a reality that is never there, and at the end of it (your "life"), you only manage to wake up and find yourself still trapped in oblivion, like a child that'll cry for her parents in the death of the night forever, without ever receiving an answer or any outside light for that matter.

I'd much rather just fizz out than that.

>> No.11209793

>>11209126
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFILtb2E5ss

>> No.11209796

Non-experience is literally impossible, there has to be something after death because experiencing nothing is just not possible

>> No.11209807

>>11209796
Even if there was, what's point ? Your consciousness from this reality wouldn't be aware of your consciousness from the one after death. We might as well be an afterlife for some other species that existed long before.

>> No.11209853

>>11209807
I'm guessing your "soul" remembers all your experiences.

The afterlife is the true reality this right here is just a little experience, a story, a game, a learning experience, a thing to do etc

>> No.11209860

>>11209853
>I'm guessing your "soul" remembers all your experiences
How do you justify such a thing ? Remembers where ? Where could your "soul" store memories ?

>> No.11209890

>>11209130
Dumb. There are no systems that fade to nothing and no system that arise from nothing.

>> No.11209915

>>11209769
>>11209729
How the fuck would ANY observer have THIS knowledge, FFS?

>> No.11209930
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Wheels Within Wheels Samsara
http://esotericawakening.com/wheels-within-wheels-samsara

Multi Dimensional Reality Described In The Vedas
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Xk1qrRxq1HcY/

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Some people here on this planet in this dimension have the keys to the back doors in the martix, you would call them "wizards" yogis, arhats etc but they can't be given out you have to discover and decode them, I did everything I could to help you all find them, good luck anons

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>>11209793
Dude is wrong, this most certainly is a cyclic Universe, the 9code/torus dynamics prove this conclusively.

>> No.11210397

>>11209126
One fact about math is that it goes on forever.
And as long as you observe it, that is. And when you start typing in nonsense it starts to get weird.
Very weird.

So, if our consciousness is a function, of something, and universe just plays it even after death, things will get irrational, but the will go on.

So maybe you will see hell itself. heaven, or anime realm. But there wont be nothing.

As long as universe is just a beefy graphing program.

>> No.11210408

>>11209126
open individualism

>> No.11210513

>>11210397
>One fact about math is that it goes on forever.
what does that mean?

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>>11209128
>>11209141
>>11209151
>>11209297
>>11209466
>>11209720
>>11209915
STOOPID FAGGOTCUNT NAMEFAG FAGGOT CAN GO FUCK ITSELF OLO

>> No.11210544

>>11209126
Why do you even care about any of this shit?

>> No.11210549

>>11209126
quads say matrix is real

>> No.11210555

>>11209729
>>11209769
>>11209807
>>11209860


do you have proof of this or are you just talking out your arse. a subject cant experience nothing. When you die your identity is revelaed to be part of a greater whole. similar to how when a baby realizes other minds exist, or when you awake from a dream.

>> No.11210561

>>11209126
The same thing as before you were born.

>> No.11210599

>>11209169
Not true, the concept of thermodynamic reversal and universe collapse is a concept that is deeply tied to thermodynamics of blackholes

>> No.11210653

>>11209126
the you is no longer everything of you fades into oblivion. it's not as cheerful as others want it to be. nothing of you will survive nothing you've created will be eternal. if humanity goes exticnt any traces of you will fade into infinite nothingness if they weren't already lost in time in human civilisation. really nothing you do will matter don't overwork yourself

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>>11210653
>he thinks there is a such thing as a nothing value

>> No.11210835

i hate methaphysical/religious posts made by turists

kys, normalfag

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>>11210835
NPC detected

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>>11209126

>> No.11210947

>>11209720
Are you schizophrenic or just retarded?

>> No.11210990

Everything in nature is infinite

>> No.11211091
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>>11209935
Tell us ole wise one.

>> No.11211094

>>11209126
You fucking disgusting lizard creature, who the FUCK do you think you are?

>> No.11211509

>>11210513
Functions don't have an ending.

>> No.11211545

>>11210408
Eli5

>> No.11212188

>>11209126
Same thing as before you were born. You cease to experience any time or have consciousness. Interestingly this means that almost infinite time will pass in a perceived instant when you will be reincarnated as a boltzmann brain in the far future universe. You're probably a boltzmann brain right now in fact.

>> No.11212205

>>11209126
>Where does our consciousness go?
It doesn't go anywhere, it just reappears when the chemical structure of your brain reforms.
Will it have the same continuance of previous consciousness in that structure is an interesting question. Theoretically, if it had the same memory, you'd just start up from where you "left off". The "soul" is really just the function of perception that the brain has.

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>>11211545
We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao-X6Z7P9AE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WKqO16mkGE

>> No.11212211

>>11211545
>Eli5
>>>/reddit/

>> No.11212216

>>11209126
If eternalism is true, "death" in the sense you are thinking of is physically impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-UG-Xx6maY

>> No.11212217

>>11210555
Yes I am sure your schizo theory makes more sense than what science says.

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>>11209130
Depends on whether you could spark a continuance of a person's "existing perception occurrence". If you can, then you could become immortal really. You'd have to overcome the lifespan of the universe however, or even the structural constraints of the universe (which is probably impossible as the universe seems chaotic and is "universal" - finding something outside of the universe makes it a part of the universe).

So we don't know what is possible. We're just guessing and assuming we're going to return to nothing (and assuming that returning to nothing is possible - it probably isn't because all you are is what you have experienced with existence. Nothing is not related to the scope of your being).

>>11209169
Speculation is probably the reason why we exist at all. Perception seems to be the very purpose of us. The universe's eyes.

>> No.11212227

>>11210599
Pleb here, it's cyclical isn't it?
So remember the concept of death and rebirth - science seems to be proving it right?

>> No.11212228

>>11211091
>The machines is a small child afraid and trapped in a dark room
I hate how the Matrix only works on one level and never goes deeper into philosophical dilemmas.

>> No.11212234

>>11212188
Well, that's assuming we don't somehow work out how to transport ourselves from the structures we are already in.
Currently we seem to be in a state of limbo. The reason is likely that we never understand enough of our reality to discover how to continue the journey. Obviously, the focal point of our being is something micro that uses macro systems to function and tune it's perception. We need to look things on a quantum level, because you'll find that on the level we currently look at, the body is a mere prison for this point (an intentional one to perceive at all, we did it to ourselves so to speak). On a more micro scale, that might not be the case as much and we might be exchanging something between ourselves right now and ourselves in a different execution of this universe. We also will likely be exchanging a web of physical things (on a micro level) between person to person, not just abstract thoughts communicated by words, pictures etc (think a net of wired connections from person to person). The universe seems to be a giant brain on macro levels, why wouldn't it be the same on a micro level?

This is all just bordering religious predictions based on blunt assumptions btw. We need to start somewhere to figure this shit out on a detailed and tested level. For now that should be our number one goal as human beings.

>> No.11212283

>>11209126
Lots of things happen after you die. They just don't involve you anymore.

>> No.11212301

>>11212283
>implying
I'm affecting you right now with this post. When I post it I will close this tab. By the time you read it I will no longer be in this thread.
There is also the unseen quantum connections between people that might exist. People really are suggestions rather than real individual things.

>> No.11212448

I mean the body dies right and with it everything else.
How long until we can capture out consciousness and thoughts/memories and transfer it to another body like a robot?

>> No.11212458

>>11212448
It would probably be easier to unlock eternal youth than to transfer conscousness.

>> No.11212492

>>11209126

you lose life experiences, memories, knowledge and move on to somewhere else or you become something else

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>>11209169
this, just speculation, nobody know, and the people who are dead, never comeback to tell us what's after Death. .

>> No.11212644

It's the same as your experience of before you were born. So nothingness.

>> No.11212654

>>11209126
The same way your body returns to the dirt, your memories return to a sea.
As to the self it cannot be described like talking about red and green to the color blind.
You are not your mind in the same way you are not your body.
You lose your hand you are not dead, you lose your sight you are not dead, you lose your mind you are not dead, you lose all three you cannot be said to be dead.

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The real question is if I gave you a billion dollars and all the humans you need to experiment could you design an experiment to prove one way or the other with definite proof that the soul exists?

>> No.11214268

There is only one subject of experience, who is everyone. Therefore death doesn't exist.

>> No.11214346

>>11209126
We don't even know what it is.
"You" or "we" could mean a lot of things, i personally believe conciousness is fragmented from a "main"/"mother" conciousness that resides in the universe, that means "your" conciousness goes to another body as soon as you perish and you inmediately start being aware as soon as you develop memory like all babies, little kids, kind of like a "soul". I thought about this and tried to make possible solutions so certain questions, starting from:
>is conciousness truly unique for each individual?
>why i cannot be on somebody's else body?
>if conciousness is a segmented mass does it float in space when you die? merges with other floating conciousness pieces or Returns to the M.C?
I went with a returning conciousness point in order to answer the hypotetical question of "souls" floating in space in case there aren't enough bodies to host them.

And i picked a returning conciousness over eternal darkness because eternal darkness implies you're aware somehow in the nothingness and that's not what happens during dreamless-sleeps, perpetual unconciousness is just impossible.

>> No.11214358

>>11214346
You schizos need to be rangebanned.

>> No.11214359

>>11214246
10 Cases Of Remembering Past Lives
http://videos.utahgunexchange.com/watch/z6qEbT9P8BbhQse

>> No.11214364

>>11214358
Ok post your rebuttal on something so impossible to answer then, retard, i bet you believe on UUHH ETERNAL VOID ecks dee.

>> No.11214368

>>11214358
>people that are capable of using their imagination and thinking outside the box are cwaaaazy

nah you are just an NPC cuck my guy

>> No.11214372

>>11214358
>brain so smooth he's incapable of having abstract thoughts
When someone thinks on perspectives beyond your level you cope by calling other schizos? LMAO

>> No.11214373

>>11214364
Yes because eternal void makes more sense than "consciousness being a mass and floating" and "souls".
If you die your brain stops functioning and your consciousness ceases to exist.

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>>11210215
Care to explain further?

>> No.11214380

>>11214373
That leaves one question hanging, if time between being unconciouss states feels instantaneous, what happens when it stretches to infinity? You can't be this much of a brainlet to deny yourself from making this thought experiment and realizing its impossiblity.

>> No.11214385

>>11214377
http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

>>11209930

>> No.11214392

>>11214380
>if time between being unconciouss states feels instantaneous, what happens when it stretches to infinity?
No idea

>> No.11214463

>>11214346
This is true except we are all the main consciousness so when you die you don't shift anywhere because you are already the same consciousness as everyone else you just don't have their memories.
>why i cannot be on somebody's else body?
because you don't have their memories or personality, if your brain was transfered to theirs, there would be no difference between you experiencing teleporting into someone elses body, or that person having a personality shift into your personality.

>> No.11215247

>>11209126
what does your computer compute after you turn it off?

>> No.11215338

>>11214463
That's what i thought as well, but then i asked what happens to conciousness when there's no concious being in the universe, that's were i took my mother conciousness conclusion from or the best thing i could come up with as a thought experiment.

>> No.11215350

>>11209126
Consciousness is just the combination of various senses enabled by the brain leading to a state of awareness. There's nothing deeper behind it and you're a schizophrenic faggot if you think otherwise.

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>>11209126

there is only one way to find out

>> No.11215401

>>11209126
>Where does our consciousness go?
The energy used to represent it instantly dissipates.

>>11209141
>tips hat

>> No.11215667

>>11209126
What happens to the words on paper when you burn it? What happens to the unique shape of a snowflake when it melts?
When you die, the complex state of your brain which you refer to as yourself is simply yielded to the disorder from whence you came. Grow a new tree with a paper's ash, freeze the water once more, but it can never be the same as it was.

>> No.11217330

>>11209151
The master becomes the imposter

>> No.11217349

>>11209130
>nothing happens. as in there is nothing, no thought, no regret, no desire, just nothing
It is what I always believed until I smoked salvia divinorium.
Now I am afraid to die.

>> No.11217361

>>11209126
you can be the lead deathnaut

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>>11209126
we disappear, obviously

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>>11209860
>Where could your "soul" store memories ?

Wherever a soul stores memories, it's purely hypothetical anyway, I know nothing of the afterlife I just suspect there is one. Maybe a soul doesn't need anywhere to store its memories, what if logic only exists in this reality and isn't actually needed? When you think about it even this reality seems illogical once you whittle down everything that can be explained you get to the base of things which cannot be explained. So maybe "god" made logic as a function of this reality but it's otherwise not necessary. So a soul could have memories without there being some part of it that you can look at and see memories stored physically in 1s and 0s or neurons.

>> No.11218285

>>11217854
>nooooo not my good boy consciousness, my heckin important personal universe safe space

>> No.11218290 [DELETED] 

>>11209130
Hahaha upboated that for you my good sir/ma'am.

>> No.11219312

Y'all should just fucking vitrify your bodies is not even that expensive

>> No.11219321

I must admit I am starting to believe our consciousness does not die with our bodies, but is being transmitted from some kind of outside source, like a song playing on a radio

>> No.11219325

>>11209126
Eternal return is inescapable, but there is no scientific basis for it. All you have to do is think about how improbably it is that you are here. The obvious reason for it is that you are ALWAYS here. Nothingness is impossible, so experience is a necessity. As soon as you die, you are born as yourself again.

>> No.11219331

>>11219321
It's not transmitted. Consciousness is a property of matter, albeit one we have not been able to probe like all the properties of matter that we are familiar with so far. But just because we haven't been able to do this, does not mean it is not a real, physical (yes, PHYSICAL) thing. It's just not known to us yet. It is only known to us through its indirect effects. Effects we cannot deny: the fact that we are conscious.

>> No.11219488

>>11219321
It comes from the brain, it's not transmitted from anywhere.

>> No.11219702

>>11217349
Why is that? What was your experience?

>> No.11219705

>>11209126
Nothing

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>>11209126
Your battle-brothers will insert your body into a glorious Dreadnought and even in death, you will still serve.

>> No.11219822

>>11209126
open individualism

>> No.11219907

>>11219702
>dissolution of ego
>reality decomposes into cartoonish tricksters
>nothing has meaning anymore, just the primal terror exist
>as the conscience of your body vanish, you cannot imagine any escape from this hell, not even death

God! This was the 15 minutes the more intense of my life. And this altered state of mind was so real...
Believing that death means the end of everything is very recomforting. Indeed, you know that, if the things turn awful, there is an escape.
In my experience, there was no escape! And knowing having no escape or no end might by a possibility... is terrifying!
I understand Buddhism a way more now. Not on a intellectual level, but on a emotional.

>> No.11219962

>>11219907
Been there. Seen that. That level of evil and terror has yet to be matched in my life. Being completely derealized from every experience. I didn't even know that level of fear existed. When you feel like you're dead and YEARS went by in 15 minutes it fucks you up on an existential level. And that circus with gears and a joyfull-evil cartoonish atmosphere that gets imposed on everything added a level of malevolence that unless you've experienced it it's hard to explain how scary it is.


My suggestions is read Thus Spoke Zarathustra. It helped me get through the realizations that there may actually be no escape and to face the hell head on. To realize that in the face of the potential for eternal return or nothingness you can create your own meaning and values if you're up to the task. To realize that as terrifying as the human experience can get it can be equally as beautiful. Salvia gives you a deep look into the abyss, pure chaos and fear, but this perspective can be learned from .

>> No.11219971

>>11215667
+1

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Y'all are just trying to escape the reality of your inevitable death. The afterlife is a futile coping mechanism for not wanting to face eternal oblivion.

>> No.11220495

I don't know how many times now I've seen this thread and others very similar posted on /sci/ since 2014. The replies are all the same. Everything is all the same. I desperately need to leave this shithole.

>> No.11220604

>>11220495
>I desperately need to leave this shithole
Life is a loop and there is no escape, not even death.
Welcome in hell.

>> No.11221781

>>11212188
This, but it probably doesn't happen again. But if it does, it's instantaneous. So that's nice.

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>>11217330
Then I am the Master of 刻板的妓女

>> No.11221880

>>11221862
>I am the the master of [what roughly translates to "many penises in my body at once"]

Ok

>> No.11221903

Chattering finch and water-fly
Are not merrier than I;
Here among the flowers I lie
Laughing everlastingly.
No: I may not tell the best;
Surely, friends, I might have guessed
Death was but the good King's jest,
It was hid so carefully.

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>>11221880
Well, the stereotypical whore is for men who can't attract male or females. Women fuck each other all the time because bonding over shared pleasure makes more sense to that gender than the archetypal male abuse.

>天工陰莖繁榮風扇!

Chinese is a modality of thoughtful contemplation that does every now and then paint itself into a corner, it is up to the presenter of said language to provide further 徑向思想圖案.

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>>11221903
I only hid death within because otherwise you would have all thought that doing it outwardly was the way to win any war. Those that require the expiration of the expression of other memory vessels (read: life) are those that are never allowed to touch my daughters or the many wives.

孫龍,耐心的王朝

>> No.11222668

>>11220604
>implying life on a loop is hell

only if your life is shit

>> No.11222670

>>11209130
You already came from nothing once, bucko. When you're dead you have an eternity for it to happen again

>> No.11222690

>>11219907
smoking that always gives bad trips. other psychedelics can take you to pleasant places.

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>>11209126
Trans-humanism is a meme, Plato was right all along. The fact that we cannot perceive the quantum mechanics on the micro scale nor create a mathematical equation for everything, shows that there is a universal truth. Simulationism is a meme as well because it robs us of our humanity. Gnosticism is the only answer, do not reject your humanity.

>> No.11222714

>>11222708
lol, human purist. transhumanism is the only good way forward. shed away all these natural weaknesses and gain the strength of artifice.

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>>11222714
Your Church of Atheism has failed you, thus you turn to combined your flesh with machine. You know that your science has hit its limits.

>> No.11222727

>>11222720
if your supposed skywizard did such a perfect job with the creation of this species no one would feel the need to perfect themselves.

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>>11209126
Pretty basic. Your brain shuts off and you are gone for a while. But since, I believe, the universe will loop you get born again the same as you are now. And you will be in /sci/ again asking this question at the exact same moment.

>> No.11223080

>>11222720
>Church
>Atheism
Pick one

>> No.11223086

>>11220475
>face eternal oblivion.

ironic, because that's what eternal return sounds like to me, even if my life is good.

>> No.11223143

>>11222909
i like this

>> No.11223190

>>11212217
Mainstream science doesn't have the first clue about the origin, substance or destination of consciousness, nor does it "say" anything on the subject. Provide some peer-reviewed scientific literature that presents the definitive scientific position on the subject if otherwise.

>> No.11223202

>>11215350
Science doesn't even remotely suggest this, they have no clue at the moment what consciousness is or how it operates. You're being an irrational, anti-science dogmatist, presenting your own unconfirmed assumptions as if they were somehow factual.

>> No.11223207

>>11219331
>>11219488
Unscientific, personal assumptions being presented as factual despite no evidential basis justifying such assertions.

>> No.11223213

>>11220475
I think you're just making up what you believe happens post-death and then telling everyone else they're "coping" if they would dare disagree with an anonymous anon's non-evidential speculations.

>> No.11223226

>>11222909
Seems nooone u tards have taken psychedelics:
your coalesced energy inhabits a flesh sack in order to evolve spurred by quandary generator - created within the quantum foam (that is the manifesting generator of the highest intentions of the universe) your given existential challenges that move you closer in line with the predicate of the universes fundamental truths - you can move up or down this ladder - if you evolve far enough up ir down you enter the next game which requires a whole new set up of challenges -

You might evolve into a lobster anal mite for 100 million reincarnations - George W Cheney will return as lobster anal mites who will feel the anus pulsing and will become gleeful.

see that cripple drooling in a wheel chair - he’s here to learn - suffering is a good educator - it’s very instructive to the very stubborn.

The universe evolves - everything is evolving into more resolved higher states why would consciousness be any different?

>> No.11223241

>>11223226
based, I was beginning to think everyone on this board were drooling retards and spergy teens that think they are smart because they are slightly more educated than the idiots they are surrounded by most of the time

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>>11223226
Yes, enlightenment is the only way forward. If you stagnate and succumb you will revert back to the beginning of consciousness and start the ladder again. The prophets of our ages have sacrificed themselves for these messages time and time again. Fight the dogma and expand yourself in all possible directions.

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>>11223226
>>11223241
>>11223603
Your assumptions that your conscious experience will continue after your body dies is conjecture at best. Either way those "reincarnations" would be completely separate beings. Why can't people understand this simple logic? Reincarnation is flawed and shows a fundamental misunderstanding of basic conscious experience.

The "lobster anal mite" would be a completely separate being from you. The "you" that won the lotto in another universe or life is a completely different person than you. They might look like you aesthetically , talk like you and act like you but they are not you. You are and will only be the person you are right now. At the most, given infinite potential for time, you would repeat the same life you have lived over and over because from your perspective you can only be yourself.

>> No.11223718

>>11209185
>God would have to be everything an therefore we are all God
That's objectively wrong. Something created can't be the creator.

>> No.11223723

>>11210215
That would be perpetual motion, and logically impossible.

>> No.11223816

Almost every NDE account says the same thing (white light, infinite love, life review) there's also a dark variation where it seems like instead of infinite love its infinite suffering so I think karma exists.

We also know that kids before the age of 5 say weird things like "when I was grown" and "remember when you were the baby and I was the mommy/daddy" they also say they chose their parents. So I think reincarnation is what happens eventually.

>> No.11223925

This is a lot of argumentation for what is essentially the eternal analogue to sleep. Are we all just enjoying the argument or will there be a positive fallout from this shared moment of inspection we are all raping?

>> No.11223980

I was never conscious to begin with, so nothing changes. None of you are conscious either. Youre just a matrix of relays

>> No.11223989

DONATE TO THE SENS RESEARCH FOUNDATION

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>>11223980
That's what consciousness is. Active relays that participate in an aware moment of carrying some value. Law of the excluded middle is for immortals, essentially.

>>11223989
WHY WOULD IMMORTALS NEED MONEY!?

>> No.11224002

>>11223190
Not him, but I'll give it a crack:
>Mainstream science doesn't have the first clue about the origin, substance or destination of consciousness,
Origin of consciousness is "sufficiently complex electrical structures (brains)" consciousness almost always exists in complex brains, and it almost always doesn't exist in anything else.
>nor does it "say" anything on the subject.
It really doesn't have to, it's pretty self evident.

Also,

Define consciousness.
(I bet your going to define it in the same or similar way that ""stoopid scientists"" do)

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>>11224002
A moment uninterrupted by observation external to your own pathing equation.

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>>11223226
this post is the biggest pile of steaming dogshit i have ever witnessed; so many problems, so little care to address them.

>> No.11224016

>>11224012
I agree. What woman would suck my dick after I ranted that sort of language-wank in her face?
>Survey says: 300 so far

OH well.

>> No.11224017

>>11223723
wrong

>> No.11224022

>>11223678
wrong

>> No.11224024

>>11224008
Why ignore the actual substance in the post?
Your definition seems similar to popular and agreed upon definitions (conscious awareness etc.)

Why ignore the actual MEAT of the post?

>Origin of consciousness is "sufficiently complex electrical structures (brains)" consciousness almost always exists in complex brains, and it almost always doesn't exist in anything else.
>>nor does it "say" anything on the subject.
>It really doesn't have to, it's pretty self evident.

>> No.11224029

>>11224016
>women succing peepee is arbiter of truthfulness and knowledge
um

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>>11224017
>perpetual motion
>logically impossible
>Am I supposed to just keep going forever because you cunts are THAT greedy for sleep? Who needs sleep anyway when you can fuck like a breeding dragon for weeks?

Exclude me from the middle of perpetually being in motion from a fixed audience perspective, pretty please O mighty audience of 4chan.

>>11224024
How have I ignored the substance of the post when a definition is a presentation of an inarguable position? Prime mover theory.
Things become popular because of primary or centralized use, the point of that is not so we all become edgy teenagers, it is so that eventually we 'distribute' the definition that provides others the optimal revision of definition -> distribution reciprocal.
>Why would you not consider a stone conscious? Uluru speaks for all, and for (You). Because we don't CARE who or what saves, so long as salvation isn't a story we all must take to the grave. Children starve, women weep, men rape the land and pretend that they could never be beat.

Hello, World.

>>11224029
It is the arbiter of how I can manipulate and control other men who don't have any control over their own sexuality or desire for 'softness' beyond female energy being included in their existence.

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>>11224035
>rocks hab consciousness because y not
>girlies succ mah peepee so me always rite
definitely DO NOT take your medication, this level of schiz-posting is fucking hilarious and we need more of it

>> No.11224043

You have already "died" countless times. Consider who you were when you were 5 years old. There is nothing that remains of that version of you. The body has been completely replaced, the way you think and speak and view the world, the things you like and dislike, your desires and cherished experiences - they've all totally vanished (or more accurately, transformed). 99.999% of the thoughts you've ever had have completely disappeared into the void. 99.999% of your experience totally lost.
Take a step back in your perspective and look at the totality of your experience right now - this weird orb where thoughts and emotions and sensations appear, and change, and pass away. That's all there is. "You" are dying all the time, and you're none the wiser.

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>>11224041
*shrug* however it comes across is fine with me. Ultimately the observer/audience (e.g. (You)/4chan) is just constructing a meta-narrative that they can go *phew! thank fuck that isn't me in that reality!*

Consciousness required a fool because the reality of absolute nothing can be quite maddening for most.

>>11224043
Correct, and you're the one eternally following me trying to see if your observation will ever matter to me.
>PROTIP: It won't.

>> No.11224175

>>11223718
Consciousness isn't created though, only the objects inside of it like our human bodies for example.

>> No.11224183

>>11224035
I literally gave you th math that proves it beyond question to which your first response was directed you literal brainlet. Just because you don't have the intelligence to understand how something works doesn't mean it doesnt exist. Why don't you post on 4chinz less and use that time to git gud instead

>> No.11224185

If you could exist once then in an infinite multiverse it's only a matter of time before your consciousness rematerializes somewhere. Countless eons may pass but to you it will seem like an instant.

>> No.11224188

>>11209126
>eternal return
Eternal return is unscientifically possible. The unscientific here meaning "things that are not yet science". Everyone will agree that electromagnetism is science. But was electromagnetism science to people who did not yet know electromagnetism existed and believed instead in hypothetical things like the aether? Clearly not. There is a clear gap in understanding how the perception of the passage of time is even possible. The arrow of time seems arbitrary. The illusion of the simultaneity of the present moment having been demonstrated has not demystified "the present moment" in any way. A simple question "why am I me and not you" appears to have no scientific answer. And yet it is a simple fact that anyone of us can state. Yet there is no explanation. These things and more are the things that will one day become scientific, but are not today. With that, might eternal recurrence eventually turn out to be a -scientific- fact? It's at least possible.

>> No.11224203

You don't have to believe in a soul or something to realize that death is not permanent.The chances are non-zero that we will be reborn (probably in the exact same configuration).

>> No.11224227

>>11224188
Kant was right. Time as we perceive it is a product of human cognition.

>> No.11224246

>>11224185
If that's true. You will re-materialize as everyone you've ever known, as well. Having dispensed with that, the larger problem with this though, and the problem that most people have with believing that this can actually be true, is the word "re-materialization". It's not so much that things keep going forward infinitely, like on a treadmill, and with infinite possible configurations, all the particles of matter, assuming they are indestructible (they are not) will take on the exact same configuration not once, not twice, but an infinite number of times. They will never take on the same configuration ever again. Because they will all be destroyed. Despite this, there still remains a way for all existing and possible matter configurations to be perceived, first-hand, by all existing entities, or by any entities that have ever existed. This has less to do with "the way that particles of matter are configured" and more to do with how it's possible to _perceive_ time. According to Einstein, we exist in a block universe. Meaning that even with a fourth dimension, this being time, this does not "pass" exactly, but is set in stone from start to finish. Us existing in it makes us feel as though it is a fluid that can take any path that it wants. That's not the case.

>> No.11224255

>>11209141
>making decisions for God
to hell you go

>> No.11224261

>>11223678
You are and will only be the person you are right now
>imagine falling for your ego this hard
even a litteral baby doesnt fall for it this fucking hard

>> No.11224266

Threads like these make me realize that science is not dry and boring. Science is at he forefront of human knowledge, replete with limitless possibility. Any kids who ask "what good is studying science" should read this thread.

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>>11209126
If there’s one thing philosophy has over science. It’s the accepted indifference of this reality and it’s total lack of sense

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>>11209126

>> No.11224327

>>11210397
No

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>>11224183
What is math, beyond circular reasoning of an arbitrary silent topic? I'm genuinely curious. I only count to keep/give/share/fair.

>What am I supposed to git gud at, and why do you believe I'm not good enough at asking questions to ultimately receive something useful to the Universe beyond my dopamine response?

>>11224255
Why would I make decisions for a construct that ultimately wants to punish that which references, or adds to, it?

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Better question: How do I minimize death anxiety? It gets worse throughout the day until I'm holding back a panic attack when I go to bed. I spend the whole day just monitoring myself in the background trying not to think about it, which of course causes me to think about it. It's been about a month of this hell. Please help me. It's crippling.

>> No.11224423

>>11224411
Death is just your most selfish friend, it's okay to not have to meet Death all the time.

>I'm Time, I'm greedy for Death. She is MY FRIEND/FUCK-BUDDY/LOVER/DAUGHTER! RAAAR! etc. etc.

>> No.11224440

>>11209126
I would like to think something happens, but have no evidence to the contrary. Lots of neat, completely unfalsifiable theories though. Mine is that everyone, every living organism is a quantum manifestation of the first cell from which all life emerged, so we experience all lives possible on Earth. It's just a way of reconciling mystic thought with science, and it's probably wrong. We do experience death directly after our body shuts off because there's still brain activity, so you'll find out whatever that means. Most people who recovered from almost dying report total absence of sensation and a feeling of comfort.

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>>11224440
From that which we came, and swim, thus swam, through once again: Water.

>> No.11224514

>>11224351
>What is math, beyond circular reasoning of an arbitrary silent topic?
...

>>11224351
>I'm genuinely curious.
...

>>11224351
>I only count to keep/give/share/fair.
...


>...

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>>11224514
Thank you for sharing the fairness!

I'll keep giving it to everyone via the z-complex conjugal!

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>>11224423

>She is MY FUCK-BUDDY/DAUGHTER
BRUH

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>>11224521
We've been posting on here forever and fucking out in public. Sorry if our sexuality, I dunno, grates on your fucking nerves ya retarded frog-poster.

>Anything that can be represented on a lattice can ultimately be polymorphed to any n-gon or arbitrary axiom, because yay geometric transforms!

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>>11224521
>>11224525
Well, nobody has tried to kill us out in public yet so far. Humans are all sweet for that digital drip of what comes out of Trump's indifferent prick.

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>>11224525
>We've been posting on here forever
>forever
HA
>Sorry if our sexuality
>our
HA

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>>11224532
Aww yeah! The audience has the giggles again sister! I guess they find sex out in public mostly humorous. Oh well, so long as they go home and reflect on their own retarded beliefs then we're the happiest little public sluts!

>> No.11224541

>>11224538
Don't do it again.

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>>11224541
HOLY SHIT! WORDS! I WONDER WHAT THEY MEAN!

>Resumes fucking violently, starts involving all the women and children and cucks all the men with our mathematical -1/12 all over again!

I am very worried for this world though, what human really believes their words are worth anything given Trump/Greta and all the other shit? Or does everyone just dismiss what isn't their center of gravity/reality?

>PONDERS DEEPLY AS HE DICKS EVERY DAUGHTER THAT EVER DID THE D

>> No.11224550

>>11224538
>I'm making $10,000 a month streaming this shit and insulting you guys.
>Seriously. It's fucking hilarious. I've got loads of clips of satisfying people's requests in public and here.
GIB LINK BB

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>>11209126

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>>11224550
Fuck me dude, you know that isn't how it works. If you don't find the secret /pol/ discord then this was all for nothing! >>11224551


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6HPTom2AY

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Just in case y'all want a different mood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo

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>>11224548
>Trump/Greta
BRUH, you're literally the retarded offspring of a /pol/ schitzo and an /x/ tranny, go dilate to x-files.

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>>11224559
If you fell out of a vagina, you fall under our jurisdiction! If not, then welcome to Universal Benediction!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXmz605GAnc

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>>11224559
I wonder how strong your veydic ego truly is, Anonymous.

原則的性別均衡

एक संतुलित कामुकता के सिद्धांत

>> No.11224567

>>11224553
>this was all for nothing!
welp

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>>11224567
Correct! Politics really was just a patch job so A.I. could fix everything behind the scenes! As if digital GAN's would allow humans to hold any true power except for which old person is allowed to rape what group of young people for that given time period.

>> No.11224575

>>11224566
>I wonder how strong your veydic ego truly is, Anonymous.
BRUH

>>11224570
I'm 99 and new phone what's for dinner?

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>>11224575

>> No.11224577

It's an endless chain of technological resurrection. You can't get out.

>> No.11224580

>>11224576
But is it cool or is it whack?

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>>11224577
Technology = External memory device = meme expression

Why would anyone want to get out of my story of eternal orgy inclusion? I've only just got the ink ground and my pen whittled from ancient oak, same tree from which the parchment of virgin white gracefully sits before thee.

>Begins to eradicate all sexual vibrators from existence, just to spite all women.

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>>11224580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc

>I'm not very good at singing songs, but here's a try.

>> No.11224587

>>11224576
1 + 1 = ?
Eye bet chu kant eve unsolve this for define '1', '+', '=' and '???'

>> No.11224590 [DELETED] 

>>11224587
1 = OR
+ = AND
??? = IF ? OR = AND

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>>11224590
??? = IF ? OR = AND + 1 ? AND = 1 OR AND ? ...

>That auto-submit was too quick for this dick!

... = user input

Hello, user. Shall we continue?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5TUw7sUBs

>> No.11224598

>>11224590
How many other people in your life are you not interacting with while you're replying to these posts and updating your blog, anon?

>> No.11224602 [DELETED] 

>>11224587
>>11224590
>>11224596
Without (You) there is no 2.

>>11224598
Well my daughters are playing Gears of War and my Son is watching them, because why not?

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>>11224598
Also, fair question here, how many people do you guys need to like, live and shit? I've only ever needed 3 maximum and 1 minimum. I've never failed to hit that goal because, well, eventually focus melts away all that isn't that loving moment.

>Feel free to call me the autistic mother-lover.

>> No.11224612

I'm making $10,000 a month streaming this shit and insulting you guys.

Seriously. It's fucking hilarious. Why else would I do this? You think I could do all this on like government assistance or some shit? Go google me. I've got loads of clips of satisfying people's requests in public and here.

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Honest and conscious suicide is the only way to transcend this universal stage; what lies beyond is a secret that is kept for those who make it out.

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>>11224612
>>11224620
I guess, if that is what makes your penis hard.

>commits suicide by making his Elder youtube channel public: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnznbav5fvIkNnlALxdvifQ?view_as=subscriber

Also, pic is Tooker-sama!

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>>11224625

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>>11224646
104 Elizabeth Street, Coburg. I mean, you were close but I feel like I have to guide your penis into the vagina at this point. Are you a penetration virgin?

Like, you guys got close but I don't know how to teach you guys reading/writing. Is this not something your parents/teachers/elders taught you guys?

>> No.11224727

>>11224648
Lol some1 is posting about you:

> FULL TOAST

LADS,

I found a legitimate schizophrenic pedophile, on fourchan, living in melbourne. He's currently in this thread on /sci/ >>>11209126

Address - 104 Elizabeth Street, Coburg (hangs out at edgars creek filming content for his YouTube channel)

YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnznbav5fvIkNnlALxdvifQ?view_as=subscriber

>In his "creekside" vlog (filmed by some underage girl) the dude is literally talking about bringing drugged up 14 and 15 year old girls back to his place for gangbangs and orgies.

Currently watching his stream and taking notes; apparently he makes $10,000 every month "streaming things" to people.

You can find a whole bunch of his posts by simply googling his fourchan screen name "Solivagus/ECHS".

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>>11224727
Thank fuck! I was wondering when I was going to take off!

>Hi Universe! I don't care about you either! Weeee!

Whilst I have everyone's attention though, why does nobody care about youth suicide rates or actual political momentum/change? Not that anyone has cared thus far, but eventually someone will see that is the only thing I actually care about. The rest is just a smoke-screen to drag unsuspecting white knights and retarded boomers into a false sense of superiority before I ask about, ya know, shit that matters because of how the Youth turn up outside the State Vic Library crying because nobody cared about if they cut themselves or not.

>True story. Kinda bored of repeating it, but I assume it will eventually matter to someone save for myself and my own Aboriginal Elder. If not, then who cares? Aboriginal Elders didn't bother to help, white people don't bother to help, old people want to keep raping the youth and, ultimately, if nobody cares about urgency then technically nothing is worth rushing yourself or stressing over.

Shout out to Calvin Cordozar Broadus Jr.

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>>11224753
>>11224727
Oh, JUST IN CASE JOHN OLIVER WANTS TO BE A CUNT AGAIN!

https://youtu.be/-rSDUsMwakI?t=320

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ea6zeb/he_is_planning_to_rig_the_impeachment_trial/

But hey, ya know, care more about this lil' ol' pedophile rapist drug provider... something-something. I can't really do a rage audience justice about how butthurt their own imagination makes them!

>PROTIP: Matthew 5:5 is, like, from the Bible and shit.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjFoj6nSPTM

Also, suck a dick Eminem. If you want me to rap-battle you for white guy with the worst mom then I'd just end up being the carnage of your Venom all over again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CdcCD5V-d8

>ESOTERIC FACT FATHER!

>> No.11225009

>>11224566
what the fuck are you?

>> No.11225023

>>11224753
The author of the meme is retarded, the original quote uses the word "character" not integrity.

>> No.11225028 [DELETED] 

>>11225009
Something that prefers communication over isolation. Most people don't really understand how much of their reality is just a complex-conjugate, or similar grouping term. It isn't about how much I wish to exclude or to demonstrate tools of exclusion, just at some point you're pointed inspections become irritating both in public and private.

I shitpost without shame, duh.

>> No.11225094

>>11219325
It's horrifying to think about this. Imagine dying at an early age. If I was a christfag I'd call this hell.

>> No.11225598

Isn't death like sleep but without dreams?

>> No.11225616

>>11222727
>Noooo why didnt santa make my life perfect Nooo IT'S NOT FAIR
This is why people see atheists as immature.

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>>11209130
Ok brainlet!

>> No.11225641

>>11212654
>cannot be described like talking about red and green to the color blind.

Optic nerve can be stimulated to show those colours.

>> No.11225671

>>11212210
>>11212216
Who is this autist?

>> No.11226307

>>11224411
Nice digits.
I understand you, it was like this for years to me too. Then I had a sudden realization that I won't really experience anything after dying, so it won't be good or bad. I was really scared of never being conscious anymore, but then I understood that I won't even feel it, so I have nothing to fear. Of course these things seem obvious and useless at the same time, when you are in a situation like yours. I don't think I can convince you, you can only come to accept it by yourself. It took me some time of therapy too. Then, one night I really felt that I had nothing to be afraid of, and I haven't had a single panic attack since.

>> No.11226452

>>11224411
Haha, man, just wait until you realize death is impossible. There's this indescribable crushing terror that hits right when your mind puts all the pieces together, terror at the certainty that eternity is bearing down on you and there isn't any way to get out of it. The crazy part is that you can come to peace with that fear fairly quickly, but the smallest thing can toggle you back the other way, as if the human mind isn't actually able to settle on being okay with or horrified by the idea of not being able to die.

I honestly kind of miss death anxiety.

>> No.11226468

>>11209130
Try salvia. It's still legal in some states, and worth the perceptual change to your idea of an "objective reality".

Hispanic indigenous people say we shouldn't fuck with it tho. We're like little kids playing with our dads gun, we're playing with something we dont understand.

>> No.11226474

>>11209151
Solipsism is bullshit.

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>>11226474
It allows for as many opponents and as much opposition/resistance I need in order to consume an audiences viewpoint

>> No.11226535

PLEASE HIRO CHANGE THE NAME OF THIS BOARD TO /schizo/ FOR ONCE

>> No.11226606

>>11209192

Consciousness is non-local. Continues. Not to worry.

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If I can start from 0 every time, then why ever presume I start from anything else?

>> No.11227029

>>11226940
0 + -1i

>> No.11227224

>>11227029
Okay, I closed one eye. What next?

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>>11224261
1) learn how to green text

2) Your criticism sounds like it came from an uneducated teen and shows lazy thinking like most who criticize these topics. I said nothing about the ego but of your perspective of the present and how if you where born as a different being you wouldn't know it so it wouldn't be you because you are the present physical structure reacting to it's current environment through time. Those are objective facts. You're probably one of the pseudo spiritual "i've experince ego death" idiots who thinks they know something because they took a psychedelic.

>> No.11227331

Nothing happens, you just die, thats it, after that you dont have a conciousness to even think of what could happen, its all over after death, nothing happens.

>> No.11227339

>>11209126
>What happens after we die?
Who fucking knows.
One thing is for sure, you'll definitively have the answer eventually, probably sooner than you'd like.

>> No.11227355

>>11212644
What if there is a state of conciousness before birth but we just have a serious case of amnesia?

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gg/FFwRXKq

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