/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11184576]

Why are scientists stumped all the time but at the same time they act like a church and demand that everyone listens to ""science""

[Anonymous No.11184578]

Because it's just the best we have. Give people something more trustworthy than science and they will listen to you instead.

[Anonymous No.11184584]

>>11184578
Skepticism, rationalism, any school of thought prior to muh empiricism / scientific method

[Anonymous No.11184587]

>>11184576
OP image was supposed to be pic related fuck Im gonna go to sleep

[Anonymous No.11184591]

Doubt and being self-critical are actually what make science so important. Fanatical political and religious lunatics will never understand this. Blindly following any pre-prescribed set of ideas has always led us to ruin. Science was the first light of hope in that dark world, that we are apparently fast returning to today.

[Anonymous No.11184595]

>>11184591
Jesus christ you are so retarded I'm disgusted to reply to you. Kill yourself subhuman retard

[Anonymous No.11184596]

>>11184584
There’s a reason rationalism was popular in the 1700s and is not today.

[Anonymous No.11184616]

>>11184587
Have you ever seen a headline where a church leader is "stumped" by something? What would you think if you did?

[Anonymous No.11184621]

>>11184596
Doesn't mean it's a good reason

[El Arcón No.11184622]

The true root word of Scientology is Satan, not science.
>Satantology

[Anonymous No.11184625]

i only listen to mathematicians

[Anonymous No.11184627]

>>11184584
This has to be bait

[El Arcón No.11184716]

Motivating your actions with the scripture "get wisdom" only makes sense when you're not deliberately learning how to be retarded.

[Anonymous No.11184721]

>>11184584
But he asked for something more trustworthy???

[Anonymous No.11184722]

>>11184576
They demand nothing. and it's a problem, they should participate more in politics.

[Anonymous No.11184733]

>>11184584
Can you provide even a marginally convincing case for this argument? Bonus points if you don’t use empirical evidence because you deny its value.

[Anonymous No.11184948]

>>11184576
>scientists stumped all the time
wat
>they act like a church
wat
>demand that everyone listens
L0Lno fgt pls

[Anonymous No.11184969]

>>11184576
I've seen journalists and ideologues do this but never scientists.

[Anonymous No.11184970]

>>11184733
"if you don't follow my school of thought i will kill you"
violence is the only logical way to force someone to accept your views

[Anonymous No.11184974]

>>11184969
journalist: science has proven that god isn't real CLICK NOW
scientist: gib more grant monies pls thank u more monies PLS

[Anonymous No.11184979]

>>11184576
Because it is a new religion. I have a theory that the main reason is because science produces real miracles on occasion and this causes a religious reaction within people. When you analyze empiricism as a philosophy it is so heavily flawed it is laughable yet people still believe in it. Why is that? Because people are not drawn to science for the objectivity of it they are drawn to it for the miracles it can produce. Unfortunately it oversteps it's bounds when it comes to human issues and even becomes authoritarian.

[Anonymous No.11184982]

>>11184979
how's your celestial girlfriend schizo

[Anonymous No.11184985]

>>11184982
I will not be abused by you people any longer.

[Anonymous No.11184992]

>>11184985
leave

[Anonymous No.11184996]

>>11184985
Did you enjoy your ban
Shes not real btw

[El Arcón No.11184999]

>>11184982
hopefully celestial trans lizard is fretting

[El Arcón No.11185009]

>>11184999

[Anonymous No.11185010]

>>11184992
>>11184996
I hate you I am miserable and you people encourage scientists to treat me like some machine to be fixed.

[El Arcón No.11185017]

>some machine to be fixed.
lol, no.

[Anonymous No.11185020]

>Genome analyses showed that it was male.
Couldn't just look at its dick? Is that how analysis is spelled in English?

[Anonymous No.11185023]

>>11185010
See a therapist. I am being 100% sincere when I say they can help you.

[Anonymous No.11185025]

>>11185023
They'll just put me in a fucking hospital and drug me I know that is what they want to do.

[Anonymous No.11185026]

>>11185025
not if you dont consent to that dumbass. seek help.

[Anonymous No.11185032]

>>11185026
I didn't consent last time.

[Anonymous No.11185034]

>>11185032
Huh, maybe you are crazier than I suspected

[Anonymous No.11185038]

>>11185026
>>11185034
he's a raving lunatic and hopefully he'll die soon
not even being edgy him being alive makes the world a worse place

[Anonymous No.11185044]

>>11185038
Wow how the hell can you people be so cruel? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.11185049]

>>11185044
honestly, hun. where the fuck do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.11185051]

>>11185044
Yeah fuck this >>11185038 guy. I find lunatics more interesting.

[Anonymous No.11185060]

[Anonymous No.11185065]

>>11184576
> Why are scientists stumped all the time but at the same time they act like a church and demand that everyone listens to ""science""

Science is the best way to find the answers. The obstacles it encounters would not even have been known to exist without science and they aren’t overcome without it either.

[Anonymous No.11185070]

>>11184979
>When you analyze empiricism as a philosophy it is so heavily flawed it is laughable yet people still believe in it.

Nice meme. Tell me about all the things you know that aren’t known because of observation. I’m sure it’s an expansive list.

[Anonymous No.11185072]

>>11185060
>Lying about science for a meme picture

Lying is wrong.

[Anonymous No.11185074]

>>11184595
not an argument reddittor

[Anonymous No.11185078]

>>11184595
>Jesus christ
Not science or math.

[Anonymous No.11185086]

>>11184576
because ""science"" means not saying dumb shit you can't prove, and not saying dumb shit that can't be disproven
so when they demand you "listen" to science they're not actually telling you to listen to anything in particular, they're telling you to stop listening to bullshit

[Anonymous No.11185089]

>>11185070
There is a lot you can know without science or evidence. You can learn a lot about consciousness your spiritual reality. But also memories can't always be backed up by any evidence yet they are extremely important to you.

[Anonymous No.11185090]

>>11184595
back 2 reddit bub

[Anonymous No.11185096]

>>11185089
>There is a lot you can know without science or evidence

Nothing is known without evidence by definition.

[Anonymous No.11185099]

>>11185096
>Nothing is known without evidence by definition.
No that is an empirical assertion there can be philosophies that do not agree with that which are equally valid.

[Anonymous No.11185102]

>>11185099
>No that is an empirical assertion

Empiricism is true. Knowledge not sourced from observation doesn’t exist. From how to crawl to how to walk to how to do multiplication and file taxes, it is all learned through observation.

[Anonymous No.11185104]

>>11185099
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.11185113]

>>11185102
Observation is just one part of empiricism. Yes I agree everything you know comes from subjective experience. However it is not true that the only knowledge attainable comes from evidence and the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.11185122]

>>11185113
>Observation is just one part of empiricism. Yes I agree everything you know comes from subjective experience.

Subjective experience is observation.

>However it is not true that the only knowledge attainable comes from evidence and the scientific method.

All knowledge is known only because evidence of it has been encountered. Give one example of something known without evidence.

[Anonymous No.11185128]

>>11184576
"science" only belongs in quotes when talking about social "science"

[Anonymous No.11185132]

>>11185122
>Give one example of something known without evidence.
Your memories.

[Anonymous No.11185232]

>>11185132
>Your memories.

Memories are physical structures in the brain. That I can even access them is their evidence.

[Anonymous No.11185247]

>>11184584
Okay now apply these in practice to feed the world's starving, go.

[Anonymous No.11185604]

>>11184733
Read Plato, brainlet

[Anonymous No.11185606]

>>11184576
>Why are scientists stumped all the time
That is the norm, really.
Only climate science has been settled for decades and remains forevermore unquestionable.

[Anonymous No.11185607]

>>11184979
This

[Anonymous No.11185630]

>>11185086
>doesn't think about things that cannot be "proven" or "disproven"
This is your brain on scince

[Anonymous No.11185637]

>>11185232
How are you so retarded? According to your reasoning, false memories don't exist. Do empiricists ever think about anything?

[Anonymous No.11185644]

Science is the new religion, but /sci/ is one of the temples for devoted acolytes, so you're wasting your time with these brainlets.

[Anonymous No.11185715]

>>11184578
ok how about common sense?

[Anonymous No.11185718]

>>11184999
it's frotting*

btw which tranny has the best femi

[Anonymous No.11185745]

>>11184576
Because you aren't talking to scientist. You are reading what retarded journalists think science is.

If the issue isn't politicized the journalist try to create stories which capture the imagination of the general public and "scientists absolutely STUMPED by new discovery" sounds slot better than "probably a measurement error, but we don't know, maybe ask in a year and we have an idea what is going, but probably it is nothing unusual".

If the issue is politicized the thing is entirely different, every time something scientific is published the side which is substantiated by the paper will create an air of "science has finally solved X, we were right all along stop arguing with SETTLED SCIENCE" around it.

In reality scientists are usually aware of the limitations of their craft and realize that things such as "settled science" do not exist and in fact directly contradict the scientific method.

[Anonymous No.11185749]

>>11185122
>Give one example of something known without evidence.
Pretty much any advanced mathematical statement.

>All knowledge is known only because evidence of it has been encountered.
No, that is absurd. I have seen no evidence that suggest the earth revolves around the sun, yet I still believe it.
I have seen no evidence for most mathematical statements, yet I still believe them, in fact much more deeply than most things.

[Anonymous No.11185752]

>>11185102
>Knowledge not sourced from observation doesn’t exist.
Explain mathematics.

[Anonymous No.11185753]

>>11184591
>Blindly following any pre-prescribed set of ideas has always led us to ruin
Glad we agree that science needs to be taken down a notch, because it is exactly that.
An unquestionable system with questionable outcomes.

>Science was the first light of hope in that dark world, that we are apparently fast returning to today.
????

[Anonymous No.11185758]

>>11185749
You haven't seen it, but other people have and you got your knowledge through them, and thus, through evidence.

[Anonymous No.11185849]

>>11185745
Many of today's scientists are part PR people because they need to advertise their research to get grants, so they employ similar tricks as journalists.

[Anonymous No.11185853]

>>11185637
> How are you so retarded?

How are you so retarded?

> According to your reasoning, false memories don't exist.

No, according to my reasoning, false memories do exist.

>Do empiricists ever think about anything?

I’m still waiting on that list of things known through something other than observation. I never got it because that list would be empty.

[Anonymous No.11185861]

>>11185758
>You haven't seen it
NOBODY has ever seen a 5 dimensional sphere, yet I KNOW a lot of things about it.

[Anonymous No.11185867]

>>11185849
Yeah, I agree, but that is just another layer on top, where scientists play into the hands of journalists.

[Anonymous No.11185868]

>>11185749
>Pretty much any advanced mathematical statement.

Wrong. Proofs have to be produced, which constitute evidence.

> No, that is absurd.

It is absurd to think that something can be known that doesn’t have evidence, because that is grammatically incoherent.

> I have seen no evidence that suggest the earth revolves around the sun

Whooooooooaah. Yeah I’m gonna have to stop right there.

[Anonymous No.11185875]

>>11185868
>Proofs have to be produced, which constitute evidence.
Okay, so I can gain empirical knowledge through pure mental activity?
So gaining knowledge without observation is very much possible, how empirical of you!

If you consider something derived from purely mental Activity without any observation of reality to be "evidence" for something then you are NOT an empiricist.

Thanks for BTFOing yourself. Great job.

[Anonymous No.11185876]

>>11185752
> Explain mathematics.

What is there to explain? It’s an axiomatic system we invented and use to accurately predict and describe aspects of the world. We learn about mathematics and it’s various aspects from other humans and books, so all knowledge of mathematics is sourced from observation.

[Anonymous No.11185885]

>>11185875
> Okay, so I can gain empirical knowledge through pure mental activity?

Nope. You can gain knowledge about a pre-existing axiomatic system through “””pure mental activity”””, itself observation of the motion of neurons, by investigating what follows from the system’s axioms. That you are aware the axiomatic system of mathematics exists in the first place is due to someone telling you about it, so this is sourced from observation at the end of the day.

Knowledge that isn’t from observation isn’t real. We would not even have language with which to communicate ANY ideas if we didn’t learn said language through observation as an infant and toddler.

[Anonymous No.11185915]

>>11185885
Holy shit. So much mental gymnastics.

You we at a point at which knowledge derived through pure mental activity is empirical, because it is communicated and communication is based on observation.
Holy shit Dude, what are you smoking.

[Anonymous No.11185918]

>>11185876
>What is there to explain?
That mathematics allows you to derive knowledge without observation.
I can tell you properties of a 5D sphere, that are provably true, but I have never seen a 5D sphere.

[Anonymous No.11186117]

>>11185885
>Nope. You can gain knowledge about a pre-existing axiomatic system through “””pure mental activity”””, itself observation of the motion of neurons, by investigating what follows from the system’s axioms.
Scientistics believe neuroscience is a hell of a lot more advanced than neuroscientists do.

[Anonymous No.11186211]

>>>111you have no academic degree
why do retarded people never feel like they stump and have opinion about on everything, disregard the fact having no clue what they are talking about?

[Anonymous No.11186228]

The people who turn it into a church aren't scientists, they're ""journalists"".

But you would've known that if you were a scientist, OP.

[Anonymous No.11186488]

>>11186228
You would've known how much academics lie if you were a scientist, retard.

[Anonymous No.11186521]

Bait bate, bay'd bait baitt b8. Bait!
Also, bait.

[Anonymous No.11187250]

>>11184576
Because they're humans and we're all obsessed with orthodoxy. If we don't have one we'll invent a new one, just because increasingly outwardly secular societies disavow the power of religion doesn't mean they're any less devout. Those who absolutely deny that they are devout in some way are the most vulnerable to fanatical thinking and behavior, I've never seen more glassy eyed cultists gathered in one place than in our "progressive", atheistic, nihilistic, materialistic society. A few of our most stirling examples back in the 20's-40's already worked out their justification for brutal authoritarianism and mass murder, impressive considering how young our current social organizations are.

[Anonymous No.11187410]

>>11185113
I think that some clarification is needed here.
USEFUL knowledge, that is to say knowledge about things like flying or medicine or whatever, cannot be obtained without evidence.

[Anonymous No.11187412]

>>11184578
>Because it's just the best we have
That is true, but doesn't answer OPs question. That ALONE is why scientists should stop acting like they fucking know everything and everyone who doesnt follow them 100% is retarded.
Medical doctors are the absolute worst. I swear to god almost every medical professional I've ever met has dunning-kreuger.

[Anonymous No.11189359]

>>11184578
No... mathematics is the best.

[Anonymous No.11189405]

>>11185876
When did you encounter pi in the world? Or Euler’s number?

[Anonymous No.11189421]

>>11187412
If you’ve ever met a scientist that is fairly good in their field, they don’t act like that. “Knowledge is a means to deepen unknowing.” A great roundtable discussion with several great scientists called A Glorious Accident. In it they all admit how very little they know. Most of what science calls facts they rightly observed were “habits”. The universe has habits that we try and make rules around. Then suddenly some emergent process changes this habit to something mostly incalculable beforehand.

[Anonymous No.11189490]

>>11189421
The bottom line is Climate Change is real and vaccines don't cause autism and you should respect and be grateful your betters provide so much good information and such a low cost to you, faggot

[Anonymous No.11189560]

>>11184587
"what came first, chicken or egg"
the thing that came before the chicken which laid the first chicken egg

[El Arcón No.11189564]

>>11184576
Everyone at the top is in on the evil or they are an MK Ultra slave, and only retards get into "science" to begin with so it is not hard for the leadership to get them to accept whatever they say.

The truth is: negative emotions are good and anyone who tells you not to have or express them is your enemy, and they are attempting to steer humanity into total extinction.

[Anonymous No.11189746]

Strictly materialistically, humans are but an elaborated medium for panspermia. Science superficially replaces superstition to an insignificant few while expanding dogma to the remaining.
It's present and incoming role is tribal and fundamentally oppressive, as intended by the true actors and vectors of transnational policies across the de facto inteligentsia. By indifferent to fortuitous vice, the academic body is rotten from its inception and immaterial to true intellectual progress, saving for a negligible fringe.
>The following is badly assembled but I'm too lazy to fix it, so skip if too convoluted and incomprehensible. Mea culpa.


Physics, operational by nature, is maliciously posed as insufficient by fault, with the covert, yet noticeable, intent of advertising an impossible consensus to the vastly dull many.
The by right, historically and a priori, birthplace and fruitful soil of undogmatic reasoning (a glaring redundance used regrettably for clarification) discipline is philosophy alone. Not surprisingly, this basic fact is ineptly disputed (or so it is rather sadly believed) by would be illiterate (saving for their - inexplicably but for the presence of an obvious agenda - titles) travesties.

[Anonymous No.11189757]

>>11185753
>H
It's the only system with outcomes that CAN be questioned. It's objectively the best we've come up with thus far. If you have better ideas, I'd like to hear them.

[Anonymous No.11189770]

>>11189490
Since scientific knowledge is integrally contingent (logically demonstrated, ie. philosophically indisputable) no such assertions are possible and thus it is untrue, regardless of origin.
Cherry on top, I doubt you have credentials on both climatology and bioengineering at all, let alone to the extent required to MINIMALLY appreciate the colossal nonlinearity of both systems in isolation and, let alone, conjunction.

[Anonymous No.11190151]

It's a manifestation of human inclination towards dogmatic interpretation of their world. It is intellectually "more efficent" to accept information from a "wise man" than to think for yourself. Same reason why brainlets rely on memorizing formulas instead of deriving them. Path of least resistance.