Telescope Protest

[Anonymous No.11171018]

Savages.

[Anonymous No.11171077]

>>11171018
>corporate
What did they mean by this?

[Anonymous No.11171082]

>>11171077
>corporations
They aren't people.

[Anonymous No.11171096]

>>11171018
Do they actually care? Or are there gibs to gain from the government by doing this?

[Anonymous No.11171105]

>>11171096
The arguments I've heard from indigenous rights types is that natives should also be paid royalties by pharmaceutical companies for using Aspirin because their ancestors invented it.

[Anonymous No.11171414]

Those eggheads better not cave to this bullshit.

[Anonymous No.11171426]

>>11171018
They should be shot.

[Anonymous No.11171436]

>>11171426
Here, you should have these.

[Anonymous No.11171438]

>>11171018
>we need to abolish Christianity, it's getting in the way of science
>we need to abolish science, it's getting in the way of nearly extinct savage cults

[Anonymous No.11171439]

>>11171018
I am honestly not against the natives in this one. Their land has a lot of value, but no one seems to be overpaying for it to construct these telescopes. There is a lot more money you could squeeze about the (((people))) behind these telescopes, and it's good knowing that white people are so domesticated that they would just bend over and let the big telescope be shoved into their land.

[Anonymous No.11171441]

>>11171096
They’re a bunch of retards triggered that the telescope is being built on sacred land or whatever nonsense even though more than half probably don’t even believe in Hawaiian mythology

[Anonymous No.11171447]

>>11171439
>Their land has a lot of value

It’s not their land. It’s owned by the State of Hawaii.

[Anonymous No.11171449]

>>11171436
Not an argument.

[Anonymous No.11171458]

>>11171447
And that's precisely the problem. If that land is so necessary to build that telescope, a competent manager could easily get an insane premium for that land. 10x, maybe even 100x the value of the land on it's own. But because retarded government owns it, none of this is being properly negotiated. You are an absolute fucking retard and economic illiterate if you don't understand why the natives are doing this.

[Anonymous No.11171463]

>>11171426
>>11171436
Maybe this would be better.

[Anonymous No.11171467]

>>11171426
You support gun control I bet. In fact I smell a limey. You got a loicense for that butter knoife?

[Anonymous No.11171468]

>>11171458
> If that land is so necessary to build that telescope, a competent manager could easily get an insane premium for that land. 10x, maybe even 100x the value of the land on it's own.

That’s a bad thing, silly. The land should be freely given for use by the telescope. You’re advocating for fighting against science in the name of profit.

> You are an absolute fucking retard and economic illiterate if you don't understand why the natives are doing this.

They’re doing it because they’re dumb and think that gods literally live on the volcano.

[Anonymous No.11171469]

>>11171447
>It’s owned by the State of Hawaii.
Hahahahaha imagine believing the state of Hawaii is a legitimate landowner instead of being a corpratocracy that stole from the people and launched a coup against their leader because it was good for business.

[Anonymous No.11171471]

>>11171467
>You support gun control I bet

Everyone supports gun control except anarchists.
This is off-topic, so I will no longer give you attention.

[Anonymous No.11171474]

>>11171469
>Hahahahaha imagine believing the state of Hawaii is a legitimate landowner

It is considered a legitimate landowner in the State of Hawaii.
Crying won’t change that fact, sorry.

[Anonymous No.11171475]

>>11171468
>That’s a bad thing, silly. The land should be freely given for use by the telescope. You’re advocating for fighting against science in the name of profit.

Great then, I will be visiting your estate tomorrow. I will be performing scientific experiments on how to fuck your mother, I'm sure you will give the land for me in the name of science alone and not seek profit. I hope you have the paperwork done for tomorrow.

>They’re doing it because they’re dumb and think that gods literally live on the volcano.

I don't know about any gods, but your brain certainly fell into a volcano a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.11171477]

>>11171441
If you don't protect your rights they get eroded. People framing this is a science vs. superstition conflict are morons.

[Anonymous No.11171481]

>>11171474
>If the law says it's so it must be so.
How do those boots taste anon?

[Anonymous No.11171482]

>>11171481
Crying won’t change the fact that the State of Hawaii is considered a legitimate landowner in the State of Hawaii. That you believe that ought to not be the case ultimately does not matter.
Sorry I suppose. Better luck next time.

[Anonymous No.11171487]

>>11171482
>I support authoritarian governments because they are the ones that write the law.
Weird flex but Ok.

[Anonymous No.11171488]

>>11171477
>If you don't protect your rights they get eroded

No rights are being violated in this case, so non-point.

[Anonymous No.11171491]

>>11171487
I like the Strawman you just built. He looks cute.

[Anonymous No.11171492]

>>11171488
What about land rights?

[Anonymous No.11171498]

>>11171468
>They’re doing it because they’re dumb and think that gods literally live on the volcano.
They don't actually believe it. They might have in the past but not anymore. They just want the state to cater to their community, and not for any material profit, but just so that they are publicly acknowledged as important.

[Anonymous No.11171502]

>>11171492
Whose fucking land rights?
The land is owned by the government. They can lease and sell it to whoever the hell they want. In this case, a third party, who doesn’t own the land, and isn’t trying to lease or purchase it, are crying that the land is being used because they literally think gods live in the volcano. They don’t. Hawaiian mythology is literal fairy tales, so the issue is idiotic.

[Anonymous No.11171505]

>>11171498
>They just want the state to cater to their community

Science matters more than catering to the demands of retards. If you disagree, there is nothing more for us to discuss and you can cease replying.

[Anonymous No.11171506]

Give me one (1) single reason the state has authority to act against the will of the people

[Anonymous No.11171510]

>>11171506
Here is one: that white people are so used to bending over and having their ass filled with the government's decision so they assume every other race must also take so much cock.

[Anonymous No.11171514]

>>11171506
>Prove an ethical claim

Is this a meme?

[Anonymous No.11171520]

>>11171488
Whitey keeps building telescopes on the mountain. They regard it as their mountain. They're saying "we tried to be cool with it at first, but some telescope's gotta be the last one or this shit will go on forever", which it will if there's no pushback. You have to be extremely dense not to understand the situation.

[Anonymous No.11171523]

>>11171510
Your persecution complex is showing. You also seem to have no concept of history.

[Anonymous No.11171525]

>>11171520
>They're saying "we tried to be cool with it at first, but some telescope's gotta be the last one or this shit will go on forever", which it will if there's no pushback.

That’s nice. I don’t care. I think the entire mountain should be covered in telescopes. It’s literally just empty land and rocks, worthless unless exploited.

[Anonymous No.11171529]

>>11171523
Oh, I see this one has more room in his ass for more government cock. Lube up because it's coming.

[Anonymous No.11171530]

>>11171502
Why does the government own the land.
How did the government acquire the land.

[Anonymous No.11171532]

>>11171510
>dude the state fucks me over so it should fuck everyone else over too
Dumb, cynical, immature
>>11171514
I didn't ask to prove anything. I asked you to support your position.

[Anonymous No.11171533]

>>11171530
Based

[Anonymous No.11171535]

>>11171530
Don’t know or care. My position wouldn’t change if they got it from Hitler.

[Anonymous No.11171539]

>>11171532
> I didn't ask to prove anything. I asked you to support your position.

>I didn’t ask you to prove an ethical claim, I asked you to prove an ethical claim

You don’t prove, back up, or justify ethical claims. They are normative.

[Anonymous No.11171540]

>>11171535
>Don’t know or care.
GOOOOOOD GOOOOOOOOOOOOY

Seriously, this is the biggest proof of domestication one could ever give. This is amazing. I'd like to know which chemicals they put into this retard's tap water to get him to be like this.

[Anonymous No.11171543]

>>11171540
>Muh Jews

Why does it matter how and why the State of Hawaii owns the mountain? It’s owned it for decades, so the involved parties of the original acquisition are all dead, making how and why it owns the territory irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.11171546]

>>11171539
Dumbest thing I've read all day. Rational people can come up with some kind of justification for their moral beliefs, ESPECIALLY for when it comes to what the government should and should not do.
I really, /really/ hope you don't consider yourself a conservative.

[Anonymous No.11171547]

>Zuckerkike bulldozes an ancient Hawaiian graveyard and a temple-turned-church that has been continuously used since the fucking island was first settled
>was essentially given the land for free because of (((charitable donations))) to the (((democratic party)))
>not a goddamn peep
...
>scientists want to build a telescope, are willing to pay out the ass to buy the land from the State
>you're literally a rethugliKKKan HITLER DRUMPH Nazi MISOGYNIST if you don't go out and lynch the nearest man in a labcoat because of this
Historians are going to look back on us like we're all a bunch of retards, jesus christ.

[Anonymous No.11171548]

>>11171543
>Why does it matter how and why the State of Hawaii owns the mountain? It’s owned it for decades, so the involved parties of the original acquisition are all dead, making how and why it owns the territory irrelevant.

Please stop. The statesman in me is getting a hard-on just thinking about having citizens this domesticated. Stop psychologically jerking me off please, I'm about to cum.

[Anonymous No.11171549]

>>11171525
>I don’t care.
So what?

[Anonymous No.11171550]

>>11171546
>Rational people can come up with some kind of justification for their moral beliefs

No they can’t. All moral convictions come down to emotion.

[Anonymous No.11171552]

>>11171548
>No argument

Why does it matter how and why the State of Hawaii owns the mountain? It’s owned it for decades, so the involved parties of the original acquisition are all dead, making how and why it owns the territory irrelevant.
Does the telescope make libertarians cry, is that what’s going on?

[Anonymous No.11171554]

>>11171550
Pretty interesting how there's an entire branch of philosophy concerning the development of ethics then.

[Anonymous No.11171557]

>>11171549
Yeah, so what?
Who cares?
Some retards are crying that otherwise 100% useless empty land is being used for something, and other people are fine with it.
Why discuss it at all?

[Anonymous No.11171560]

>>11171552
The telescope is counter to the will of the people of Hawaii. This is the one and only consideration necessary to show the telescope should not be built.

[Anonymous No.11171562]

>>11171554
He thinks that because you need an axiom somewhere at some point, that makes the entire framework extralogical.

[Anonymous No.11171566]

>>11171554
Yeah, it is interesting how stupid people can waste so much time attempting to rationalize their beliefs.
David Hume drove a stake through the heart of that folly over a hundred years ago, and ethical philosophy is largely an extinct field now.

[Anonymous No.11171567]

>>11171560
>counter to the will
If the only reason they're upset about it is because the media told them to be (see >>11171547) is it really their will?

[Anonymous No.11171569]

>>11171560
>The telescope is counter to the will of the people of Hawaii

I don’t care.

>This is the one and only consideration necessary to show the telescope should not be built.

That’s what your emotions tell you. I don’t feel the same.
Now what?
Stop discussing it.

[Anonymous No.11171570]

>>11171552
I'M COOOOOOOMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGGGGG

[Anonymous No.11171573]

>>11171562
Yeah, he's a fucking dumbass. I expect nothing else from big gov leftists.
>>11171566
Im not a philosopher but I know everything you said is false. I hope you realize that secular ethics is a field BECAUSE of the enlightenment and not despite it.

[Anonymous No.11171577]

>>11171562
You don’t need any axioms whatsoever, actually. Just do what your intuition says without wasting time pointlessly trying to marry ethics to logic. You can’t.

[Anonymous No.11171579]

>>11171569
>I don’t care.
Im glad you concede you dont care about democracy. Get off my board.

[Anonymous No.11171581]

>>11171573
>Im not a philosopher but I know everything you said is false

Prove it.

>I hope you realize that secular ethics is a field BECAUSE of the enlightenment and not despite it.

Secular ethics is a field but a pointless and wrong one because morality is just emotions, and has no connection to logic.

[Anonymous No.11171582]

>>11171557
The ability or lack thereof of the Hawaiians to prevent the telescope from being built creates precedents and implications for similar situations which might be of more personal interest to you or me.

[Anonymous No.11171584]

>>11171567
But it isnt so your point is moot

[Anonymous No.11171585]

>>11171579
Nah. Not going anywhere until I get bored playing with the libertardians.

[Anonymous No.11171589]

>>11171585
Im curious. What do you believe in?

[Anonymous No.11171590]

>>11171582
>The ability or lack thereof of the Hawaiians to prevent the telescope from being built creates precedents and implications for similar situations which might be of more personal interest to you or me.

I will always support science utilizing unused state-owned land regardless of the degree of personal interest I have in the particular venture.

[Anonymous No.11171594]

>>11171589
What do you mean by “believe in”?

[Anonymous No.11171603]

>>11171594
I mean, what do you value? More specifically, what moral principles have guided you to think the government has a right to act counter to the will of the people?

[Anonymous No.11171611]

>>11171018
God damn it. Neil deGrasse should just hop on a plane and appear on a national TV show expressing his belief that astronomy is sacred. Have him be interviewed by, or appear alongside a prominent detractor. People would see he is in the right and the protests would stop the next day. Someone "at" him.

[Anonymous No.11171614]

>>11171590
The venture needn't be science, and the land needn't be unused (it's not in this case). And of course, any land the state claims to own is state-owned, since land ownership is determined by the state.

[Anonymous No.11171615]

>>11171018
Get fucked pagans.

[Anonymous No.11171619]

>>11171614
It's a good thing the state is subordinate to the people then. Do you even care about the constitution?

[Anonymous No.11171623]

>>11171590
>I will always support science utilizing
Science doesn't utilize anything you are supporting a government giving land to a corporation.

[Anonymous No.11171625]

>>11171603
>I mean, what do you value?

Scientific advancement, industrial strength, growing the number of living humans, and general hedonistic fun.

> More specifically, what moral principles have guided you to think the government has a right to act counter to the will of the people?

I have no “moral principles”, and anyone that does is a fool. I let my intuition lead me to choices and it often does so in ways that may seem contradictory, but never do I feel discomfort with a choice because it is fundamentally MY choice and not something that follows inescapably from some external logical ruleset or axiom I could have adopted, which often causes people to take courses of action which they find unpleasant.

“ Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office than to serve and obey them.”

Do not make the mistake of trying to organize and/or reify morality as anything more than emotional intuition, little distinct from base sensations like happiness or boredom.

[Anonymous No.11171627]

>>11171619
Read before you reply.

[Anonymous No.11171630]

>>11171614
>The venture needn't be science, and the land needn't be unused (it's not in this case).

Those are different scenarios and my position on them will change according to the introduced variables.

> And of course, any land the state claims to own is state-owned

Not how land ownership is determined in the US.

[Anonymous No.11171634]

>>11171458
>if you don't understand why the natives are doing this
Because they want gibs

[Anonymous No.11171636]

>>11171623
>Science doesn't utilize anything

The TMT was proposed by scientists, was designed by scientists, and is owned by scientists. It’s use and purpose is scientific in nature.

[Anonymous No.11171642]

Hawaii-bro here. It's an unfortunate situation. Outside of woke internet people circles, most people in Hawaii think the telescope protestors are picking the wrong issue.

Basically native land interests got fucked over so many times. This turned out to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Most people are sympathetic to the sentiment, but feel they are choosing the wrong hill to die on.

It's also not likely to go away. Telescope protests have reached the point where it's a community level issue. People are protesting it because their friends and neighbors are protesting it. If you talk to the actual protestors, many of them don't have concrete reasons why they think the telescope is bad. It's just a focal point of community rage that has been building up for the last 30 or so years.

It's a shame for a number of reasons. Mauna Kea already has like a dozen telescopes, what difference does one more make. Also Mauna Kea is literally the best place in the world of astronomy. Hawaiian culture has a long history of stargazing for navigation, and the observatories fit nicely into that legacy. It should be something for Hawaii to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.11171643]

>>11171636
>is owned by scientists
Nope.

[Anonymous No.11171648]

>>11171625
>Do not make the mistake of trying to organize and/or reify morality as anything more than emotional intuition, little distinct from base sensations like happiness or boredom.
Does your emotional intuition tells you this is true? Mine disagrees. Since you reject reason there's no point in arguing with you. It's fortunate we have numbers on our side so we can coerce people like you into behaviour we find acceptable.

[Anonymous No.11171652]

>>11171643
>Nope.

Yep.
https://www.tmt.org/page/governance#board-of-governors

[Anonymous No.11171655]

>>11171630
>Not how land ownership is determined in the US.
On the contrary. I'm using state to mean polity, I thought that was obvious.

[Anonymous No.11171661]

>>11171648
> Does your emotional intuition tells you this is true?

No, it’s logically demonstrable. Any attempt to reify ethics commits the is-ought fallacy. You can’t get an ought from sn is, so the entire field of ethics is out the window as a fruitful endeavor.
I’m sorry you’re so ignorant.

[Anonymous No.11171663]

>>11171018
Why do they have to build it in Hawaii?

Fuck the faggot thats trying to build the telescope there. Real Estate is precious in Hawaii

[Anonymous No.11171666]

>>11171655
Doesn’t matter. That’s not how land ownership is determined in the US. The US government and the state governments can utilize eminent domain in some cases but they didn’t in the case of the TMT, so whatever line of reasoning you’re trying to use is a dead end.

[Anonymous No.11171668]

>>11171663
>Why do they have to build it in Hawaii?

Light pollution, altitude.

>Real Estate is precious in Hawaii

No one builds houses on the top of Mauna Kea.

[Anonymous No.11171672]

>>11171652
A board of governors is a group of people that oversees or manages the running of an institution.
They don't own anything.

[Anonymous No.11171675]

>>11171668
>what is alaska.

Those faggot astronomers need to nut up and learn to live with bears and sub zero temps.

[Anonymous No.11171682]

>>11171675
Alaska sucks and is cold

[Anonymous No.11171686]

>>11171672
Go find who “owns” it then. I can’t find anything.

[Anonymous No.11171691]

>>11171663
>Why do they have to build it in Hawaii?

Mauna Kea is a shield volcano, which means the airflow over the volcano is much more laminar compared to other places in the world. This means the atmospheric distortion at Mauna Kea is significantly less than anywhere else in the world. Combine that with altitude and lower light pollution, Mauna Kea becomes the best place in the world for astronomy.

[Anonymous No.11171694]

>>11171642
even worse to me is that this is more than just another telescope, my impression of the TMT is that it will be a pretty serious leap forward for ground-based astronomy alongside its European counterpart

really hope this dumb shit dissipates

[Anonymous No.11171700]

>>11171691

[Anonymous No.11171706]

>>11171666
Are you being deliberately stupid? In the absence of law you do not have land ownership. In the presence of law, land ownership is what the law says it is. Law is an apparatus of state.

You're the one who asked the dumbshit question in the first place "why should we care about [something with potential legal implications]" and then repeatedly failed to distinguish the specific case from the generic, don't blame me for dragging this down to such a stupidly fundamental level. If you really still can't understand why a situation in which the public and the state are at odds might interest even people who don't give a shit about telescopes or volcano gods, there's nothing more I can do for you.

[Anonymous No.11171714]

>>11171661
>because you need an axiom somewhere at some point, that makes the entire framework extralogical.
What a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.11171716]

>>11171706
>waaa waaa meanie government advance science Muh volcano magic libertarianism

[Anonymous No.11171719]

What if causing a big native stink you don't even believe in is just a negotiating tactic to get a better deal? Then in a few generation those Hawaiian native will complain that these native Hawaiians were forced to cooperate under duress.

[Anonymous No.11171721]

>>11171714
>A Strawman

It is a waste of time for me to argue with someone who deliberately lies about my position.
Morality is extralogical because you don’t even “need” axioms. It’s emotion. Nothing more. Grow up.

[Anonymous No.11171753]

Next up, astronomers protesting Starlink. Via twitter of course. Savages.

[Anonymous No.11171789]

>one satellite flies past telescope
>REEEEE END OF THE SKY REEEEE MUNSTRONOMY REEEEE
>religious fanatics literally storm construction sites to prevent telescopes being built
>RADIO FUCKING SILENCE

[Anonymous No.11172078]

>>11171579
>dat emotional response
kek

[Anonymous No.11172087]

>>11171469
The concept of ownership is a fictional human construct in the first place. The native Hawaiians don't have any special claim to the land any more so than any other random arbitrary person claiming it. When it comes to ownership, the only thing that matters is if you have the physical force to back up a claim.

Literally every single square inch of the planet is owned by a conquering force that took the land from people who lived there before the government existed.

[Anonymous No.11172156]

>respecting religion whatsoever
Fuck these aboriginals

[Anonymous No.11172187]

>>11171018
Why not just make a space telescope instead of dealing with this?

[Anonymous No.11172219]

>>11172187
It's expensive, and with technological solutions these days, you can get much more "telescope" via ground based systems than you can from space based ones, for the same amount of money
Only exceptions are if you need to see x ray wavelengths and such

[Anonymous No.11172222]

>>11171105
Their definition of "invention" must be really loose.

[Anonymous No.11173203]

>>11171619
AHAHAHAHAJAHhjHJahahajaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha
>subordinate to the people

[Anonymous No.11173385]

>>11171488
>>11171477
They got voted down. They lost their, "rights."

[Anonymous No.11173876]

>>11171619
Constitution fetishists are also batshit

[Anonymous No.11174630]

>>11171449
Neither is "they should be shot". Pull your fucking head out.

[Anonymous No.11174637]

>>11171105
>invented
haven't europeans been using willow bark for thousands of years?

[Anonymous No.11174847]

>>11171018

There are about a hundred "sacred" sites per mile in Hawaii.
What they REALLY want is for the builder of the telescope to "financially" compensate the protesters.
90% of "native" Hawaiians know as much or less about Hawaiian native religions as anyone as /sci/ knows (i.e. NOTHING)

[Anonymous No.11174849]

I fucking hate Polynesians.

[Anonymous No.11174850]

>>11171105
>draw mickey mouse
>have to pay (((disney))) royalties because a dead man invented it 100 years ago

[Anonymous No.11174876]

>>11171552
>Kill anon
>Kill anyone who complains too loudly about me killing anon
>Having the backing of the local powers
>Several decades later people defend my legal ownership of things I killed people to take because it's politically expedient
lmao the absolute state of humanity

[Anonymous No.11174883]

>space is stupid
>huwains are fuck island niggers
>eggheads make more problems than they solve
I'm still for the building of it though. Would love to see the volcano erupt and kill a bunch of spacetards.

[Anonymous No.11174963]

that wasn't even worth a (You)

[Anonymous No.11174980]

>>11174876
>pulling falsehoods out of your ass to defend the braindead hysteria and benevolent fantasies of NIMBYs and diversity tourists
The /absolute/ state of humanity, indeed.

[Anonymous No.11174984]

>>11171468
>They’re doing it because they’re dumb and think that gods literally live on the volcano.
throw them into the volcano. that should appease the gods

[Anonymous No.11175487]

>>11171414
>Chad-native vs. virgin scientist

[Anonymous No.11175528]

>>11171018
contemporary astronomy is retarded, they still unironically believe in the big bang, which is demonstrably an observational fallacy and they're going to use their gayass zillion dollar quasigrovernment funded telescope to do more gay shit, building those things is a total waste of human effort, the people who use them are all total faggots.

[Anonymous No.11175535]

>>11171463
Kek

[Anonymous No.11175538]

>>11171018
Unfortunate but that's democracy for you. If they're that triggered over it I doubt the scope will be built

[Anonymous No.11175795]

>>11171530
The government owns the land because the government says it owns the land, and because it has people with guns backing up that point of view. There's no deep philosophical insight here.

[Anonymous No.11175966]

>>11175528
>they still unironically believe in the big bang, which is demonstrably an observational fallacy
What? How?

[Anonymous No.11175970]

>>11171436
AHAHAHHAHAHA THIS GUY MAN THIS FUCKING GUY HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHAHA HAHA OH MY GOD I CANT EVEN HAHAHAHA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA WOW WOW I WOW, THAT WAS A GOOD ONE, BECAUSE HE'S EDGY HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.11176005]

>>11171477
What rights? They don't own that land.

[Anonymous No.11176301]

>>11171636
Who benefits from its use? Certainly not the entirety of the US and much less humanity, if the research is then patented as often is the case with private research. This is pretty much tantamount to giving a (private) mining company permission to use those lands. Inhabitants of a city have every right to decide what should and shouldn't be installed in their (rhetorical) lawn, and exerting this right is not detrimental to whatever mythical corpus you call "science".

[Anonymous No.11176534]

>>11171625
So you reject moral principles to follow your intuition. Isn't that just the moral principles of "follow your intuition". Would you not benefit from understanding how your intuition makes decisions? Would this not be a guiding moral principle?

[Anonymous No.11176546]

>>11171471
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED

[Anonymous No.11176556]

>>11176301
>Inhabitants of a city have every right to decide what should and shouldn't be installed in their (rhetorical) lawn
NIMBY fags get the rope

[Anonymous No.11176560]

>>11171018
>sacred land.
Complete and utter shit, they want want money.

[Anonymous No.11176821]

>builds telescope
>Pele comes out and eats it
>shit

[Anonymous No.11176923]

>>11171675
You can’t look into our galactic disk from Alaska

[Anonymous No.11177143]

>>11171789
Because phone companies probably produce those articles complaining about more sats going up.

[Anonymous No.11177261]

>>11171105
if something has a natural analogue, it is a discovery not an invention

[Anonymous No.11177338]

get fucked, settler scum

[Anonymous No.11177633]

>>11176301
The TMT has a fuckload of potential for studying exoplanets. Who benefits from it not being there? Some huwhite NIMBY boomer afraid that a dome several kilometers away might fuck with their real estate speculation? Eat dicks.

[Anonymous No.11177734]

>>11175966
redshift quantization

[Anonymous No.11177870]

>>11171018
What if they build it?
Is it going to improve a useless (for now) science field by 10%, 50%?

[Anonymous No.11177960]

>>11177870
>knowing more about the universe is useless
go back to living in a tree, even the ancients millennia ago living in caves had more curiosity about the world