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11159461 No.11159461 [Reply] [Original]

mathematics is mental masturbation

>> No.11159467

>>11159461

no, that would be watching tv, playing video games, etc.

>> No.11159476

>>11159467
Abstract mathematics is basically the same as those.

>> No.11159531

>>11159476
>he's worried about this petty realm of existence when he could spend his life learning something which exists regardless if the universe exists or not

>> No.11159537

>>11159531
Mathematics can be forced to point any number directions when you make assumptions and approximations coded dogma. Doesn't make the mathematical implications fact of universe.

>> No.11159552

math is gay

>> No.11159564

>>11159537
>assumptions and approximations coded dogma
Are you unironically retarded?
The job of a mathematician has been fairly well defined: to lay down a set of rules and derive consequences and structures which arise from those rules. If later on, as often is the case, a physicist has a physical system which satisfies certain abstract rules he can look to the mathematicians who have already made the deductions.

>> No.11159567

>>11159467
That makes no sense you dumb fuck. Those are idle activities.

>> No.11159573

>>11159564
Such a backwards way of looking at it. As if all the formulations are done and sitting on a shelf waiting to be admired.
The problem being is that you have simply re-worded my claim that math ma be forced in any direction regardless of its ability to explain the universe. Its just the simple nature of abstracting beyond reality. Something the common school yard child does when playing pretend.

>> No.11159592

>>11159573
1) Mathematics can't be "forced in any direction" since even simple rules will give rise to unwieldy structures and properties which are completely impossible to predict by taking a glance at the 4 or 5 simple rules alone.
2) It is because of human's ability to abstractify that we were lifted out of Africa and into the modern age
3) Mathematics is a game, but it is an abstract game which has parallels in the real world
4) Mathematical research pre-determines the scientific research. Oh, you wanted to study physics? Good fucking luck without Emmy Noether to pioneer group theory for you. Oh you wanted to study Quantum Mechanics? Good fucking luck without Calculus and differential equations and vector analysis. Oh, you wanted to invent computers? Good fucking luck without analytic philosophy and logic to come along and figure out what is meant by a "language which has parallels in the physical world."

Killyourself brainlet

>> No.11159598
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>>11159573
Math has no obligation to be practical to the real world. It is a game of manipulating abstract rules which happens to have consequences in one particular world. There are many mathematicians alive today who are still Platonic and believe mathematics would exist all the same even if the universe were different, making it one of the most strangest things of all.

>> No.11159637

>>11159461
Yeah, and?

>> No.11159638

>>11159598
You have not understood what is Math.

>> No.11159642

>>11159598
Math is a code, you need to understand the purposes of the code and what all Math signs mean.

>> No.11159649

>>11159598

Modern Math has lost its path and the Owner of Physics is trying to put it to it's correct way. He has written an article about it and is trying to make some corrections on the calculator. YES THE CALCULATOR IS WRONG THERE ARE SOME WRONG CALCS.

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11159655

>>11159461
>he can't do math

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11159674

>>11159649
>the Owner of Physics

>> No.11159712

>>11159552
no u

>> No.11159715
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>>11159592
>imagine believing group theory is necessary for physics, or analytical philosophy is necessary to build a computer

>> No.11159984

>>11159461

Yes. So? This only bothers brainlets and shekelbrains.

>> No.11159990

>>11159598
I'll be interested in the kind of speech you're giving when we have beings doing math that "aren't in this particular universe/world"

This whole idea that math is somehow independent from existence when Any of the formulations of it are appearing out of existent space is so hilarious

>> No.11160087

>>11159461
coombinatorics.

>> No.11160863

>>11159564
Mathematicians cannot prove most of the results physicists intuitively guessed since the 20th century. A lot of the most famous problems in mathematics are Physics problems.

>> No.11160871

>>11159592
Calculus was invented to solve motion problems. Not before and without causation.
Same can be said for most of what you can consider "classical" mathematics.

>> No.11160892

>>11159461
>mathematics is mental masturbation
this is unironically true and the only people who think otherwise are pure math students with superiority complex
>t. phd student in algebraic topology

>> No.11160922

>>11159461
seething brainlet
>>11160892
based

>> No.11161102

Mathematicians get paid to mentally masturbate and the other academic disciplines can't even get rid of us being they need us so badly. Why are mathematicians the chadest?

>> No.11161166

>NHHHGH HMM UHHHN I'M INTRGRATIIIIING

>> No.11161172

>>11159461
The other choice is to have sex with monkeys... If you percieve it like this.

>> No.11161176

>>11160892
You algebraic topology guys are weird

>> No.11161177

>>11159461
Sorry, too busy counting money to...

>> No.11161179

>>11159461
Talking to cognitice monograms is fucking wroth it.

>> No.11161182

>>11159461
When groups of mathematicians talks, it's mental jerking off to each other or mental sex?

>> No.11161216

>>11159649
I kikle

>> No.11161226

>>11160871
This strengthens hos point

>> No.11161232

>>11160863
Yes, and as long as they stay unsolved the physicist will live in the dark. This shows that physics is dependent on mathematics but math could get their problems from basicly anywhere, including itself.

>> No.11161241

>>11161102
>they need us so badly.
Correct. No matter how x,y and z math might seem/be, it seems very hard to overestimate its utility.

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>>11161102

Sit in an office and get paid to mentally masturbate all day while SEETHING engies screech because your work isn't helping their boss accumulate enough profit for a new yacht, how dare you not contribute to (((society)))!!! Based indeed.

>> No.11161315

>>11159715
>imagine believing group theory is necessary for physics
It definitely is for theoretical physics, as you'd know if you'd ever studied it.

>> No.11161326

Bait, all I see is bait. Its time for a purge.

>> No.11161457

>>11161315

Engie scum solve equations someone else derived numerically with coding libraries someone else wrote and think they're doing physics. Then they turn around and say "Idk man all I needed was calculus, this shit's pretty ez"

>> No.11161464

>>11160863

That's because most of those results are generally false and only hold in the regime where the physicists mental picture of the situation is accurate.