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>applying for phd fellowship
>>leadership essay
Fuck me man, why? Aren't I here to do science, not babysit grade schoolers or feed homeless people? I thought after getting into grad school I would be done with this bullshit and I would finally be judged on merit, but I fucking guess not. I fucking push myself to be a better scientist, do better research, learn the fucking vast literature in my field, but hey fuck me for not volunteering at a hospital or some shit. It's not like I come home at 7 pm at the earliest and spend my weekends in the lab. Nope, none of that matters, I'm just a selfish fuck who doesn't care about his "community".
Oh and of course they have a huge spiel about diversity and underrepresented minorities. God, sorry I wasn't born black or hispanic or a woman. I'm trying my fucking hardest out here and it's just never fucking enough.

>> No.11130214

>>11130209
I never had to write a leadership essay and I applied to around 10 places. Had to do a ''diversity statement'' or something at Berkeley though (I didn't get in)

>> No.11130218

>>11130214
What the fuck is a "diversity statement"?

>> No.11130219

>>11130209
Yes, well, by ignoring the humanities and political issues we have warned you about since literally the 1960s now, this is the result. These problems are not problems you can simply compartmentalize away by saying you don't care about politics. Everyone has to work to save the West before anyone can actually be a scientist, teacher, etc. again.

>> No.11130220

>>11130218
A statement that shows how your personal life experiences would contribute to the diversity of the department

>> No.11130221

>>11130209
Graduated undergrad in 2016, started in 2013. I feel like I just barely missed having to cowtow to all this bullshit in undergraduate college applications. I realize OP is discussing grad school, which is different, but I wanted to add this commentary.

>> No.11130222

>>11130220
Ah so this is why they say western education is on it's deathbed.

>>11130219
What did he mean by this?

>> No.11130223

>>11130218
A one page essay on how you overcame the prejudice around you growing up as an underprivileged minority.

If you aren't an underprivileged minority they still make you write it as a big f you to the white patriarchy

>> No.11130225

>>11130221
>cowtow
it's usually spelled with a k

>> No.11130227

>>11130220
>>11130223
That sounds retarded. What difference do your life experiences make on research?

>> No.11130228

>>11130222
I mean that universities are fucked beyond all recognition and are no longer places of academic achievement and advancement. The problems these fucking radical leftists have caused is too big for other university departments, like the sciences, to ignore.

>> No.11130229

>>11130227
Diversity in a group is more beneficial.

>> No.11130230

>>11130227
Something tells me it wasn't the physics department that decided all applicants need to write that (at least god I hope it wasn't)

>> No.11130232

>>11130223
God i fucking hate this world.

>> No.11130234

>>11130225
fucking niggers always konfusing their cs and ks

>> No.11130240

So basically fuck science and inherent qualifications. Lets just force a bunch of LGBTQ brown transgenders into all positions of academia whether they are qualified or not
because "it's the right thing to do"
"Muh white patriarchy"

the world need to burn

>> No.11130243

>>11130220
Did you at least be a boss and lie about being Jewish and how a piece of Palestinian got stuck in your teeth one time?

>> No.11130247

>>11130240
For over 50 years we have been warning people this would happen and the response from the sciences has always been "fuck off we hate politics." Well now here you are. This is what we have been trying to fight against but we can't do it without your help.

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11130248

Which is better? Seems like the scientific method is limited by senses and socratic method is limited by thought.

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>>11130209
>Aren't I here to do science

>> No.11130254

Hey while we're at it griping about enforced diversity in science, does anyone else's department do this?

My department's web site cycles through a few pictures of grad students highlighting their research. The grad students here are nearly all white or asian and about 80% male. Almost all the girls are Chinese.

Of course the grad students highlighted on the website are three white girls and the only black student.

>> No.11130256

>>11130248
How curious. Medicine uses both. Socratic method to screen and hypotesize a disease, scientific method to verify it. Hard science will never be able to efficiently treat persons.

>> No.11130263

>>11130229
In what way? The only important factor is academic merit

>> No.11130299

>>11130234
I don't know man, we had a CCC clan rally and it was pretty effective ;)

Until we realised we were all secretly cum consuming cunts, then we had to use alcohol to numb the memories of years of father on son sexual abuse.

How could anyone betray the ultimate trust.
*Votes for trump and talks to handgun*
"One day I'll get the bravery to end this"

>> No.11130315

>>11130263
You don't know what you don't know.
Let's say you have a team of 10 Harvard-educated researchers, and you need a new hire. You have two applicants, one from Harvard, and one from Princeton, with very similar CVs. The Princeton-educated one will bring new experiences and relationships to the team, just by virtue of having a different background.
Diversity is less important than competence, but it's not totally meaningless. I understand the paranoia that it can be used to justify taking a less qualified applicant, but there are many cases where applicants are simply tied based on qualifications alone. The idea that every applicant to a position can be ranked perfectly based on objective data is pure fantasy.

>> No.11130318

>>11130315
You stll haven't made a solid argument for this. "New experiences" means jackshit.

>> No.11130321

>>11130209
You should know that for the industry, grad students are 6-10 year slaves depending on how long it takes you to graduate and how many postdocs you have to take. Write that essay, volunteer, etc., prove how good of a slave you'll be.

>> No.11130328

>>11130318
Okay, here's an example.
One school teaches freshmen calculus using nonstandard analysis. One school doesn't. The graduates could be otherwise identical, but the ones who went to the first school are probably more comfortable with applying nonstandard analysis.

>> No.11130329

>>11130328
Ok, sure, but that's an academic matter, and in the context of "diversity statements" they don't care about that.

>> No.11130332

>>11130318
Different experiences implies different ideas, and different ways of thinking. Along with "You don't know what you don't know." from >>11130299, it follows that different experiences are more beneficial.

>> No.11130345

>>11130329
It depends on your field, but institutions are generally very interested in what you intend to do with your degree. Becoming just another researcher in an established industry or academia is fine. They'd prefer if you make a name for yourself in an experimental or entrepreneurial way. Industrialize your homeland, revolutionize a medical treatment, or just inspire more children to go into your field. These aren't things you can spell out a plan for now, but your background and experiences are certainly going to influence your future career choices. If applicants are similarly qualified, they want the guy who dreams of solving racism with nuclear energy, versus the guy who dreams of a comfortable sinecure at a lab.

>> No.11130365

>>11130345
Furthermore, you might think "solving racism with nuclear energy" guy sounds like a nut. That could lead you to undervalue his abilities, the way in the past a foreign scientist with a thick accent might have been dismissed. A history of diverse experiences working with people like him would resolve this issue.

>> No.11130386

>>11130209
>create nuclear, biological, chemical, and a shitton of conventional weapons for the greedy evil government
>boohoo why do I have to learn humanities, I just want muh science
Literally kill yourself, faggot. Scientists must all learn at least bachelor-level political philosophy to begin research imo

>> No.11130404

>>11130365
Oh my god, the poor thing is retarded

>> No.11130405

>>11130386
Fuck off with your useless politics cunt, unless you're the politician you're not getting any benefits in doing politics. Fucking retard sheep

>> No.11130406

>>11130315
>The Princeton-educated one will bring new experiences and relationships to the team
This is some motte and baile right there. Yes you are right that taking the Princeton one makes some sense.
But this isn't what people are doing in practice. In practice they are trying to hit quotas so they don't get targeted by the mobs.
Furthermore, the people who talk about diversity this, diversity that... they hate people with different ideas and perspectives. They'll probably find a way to paint the Princeton guy as a racist so they can hire more woke harvard buddies.

>> No.11130426

>>11130405
>political philosophy
>you're not getting any benefits in doing politics
Imagine having this tool in your team.

>> No.11130747

>>11130209
What is a leadership essay?

>> No.11130749

>>11130209
Grad school and being a professor is just bullshit. You will waste most of your time on administrative duties and grant writing, doing unpaid work as a reviewer, erc
It's a miracle any science still happens

>> No.11130757

>>11130227
Everyone wants people to work work work giving their 150% but they also want you to have hobbies and be a normal person, go figure

>> No.11130764

>>11130263
The true science happens at tea time, where people stop and talk about they are doing, exchange ideas, etc

>> No.11130781

I met people who ware supposed to lie bricks on each other in construction that solved xor in one perceptron with ease of like 20 seconds.

You can wipe as with your Phd, but probably won't if you will be on the street and have nothing to eat.

Science is fine, but if you do something for the science being redundant is important you selfish prick.

>> No.11130788

>>11130781
wtf are you even talking about

>> No.11130805

>>11130781
Nobody wants replication, redundancy or reviewing.
To prove that I point to the importance those things have on scientists careers: None.
Those things are empty talking points, society (both the scientific and the civil society), administrators and policy makers don't care about this. Neither do many scientists, as they have to advance their careers, write grants, and it's all a big hustle

>> No.11130813

>>11130209
hahaha what? what fellowship? Specifically what fellowship, link it, because pretty sure you're full of shit

>> No.11130994

>>11130406
You're absolutely correct. They don't want actually want different ideas. They want groupthink with the façade of difference. This is most easily achieved with race quotas, which is literally racism.

>> No.11131022

>>11130209
Community service? I just want to do chemistry for God's sake.

>> No.11131032

>>11130209

Well tough luck but you have to realize something, either you fell under the wrong state/department/tutor or you have to put up with bullshit like that if you intend to at least have an opportunity, you need to be more humble and patient, otherwise you will always find out that there are always things that are insurmountable boring and not technical to any degree, like having to filter excel tables because your tutor is 60 years old and the intern that did that is simply not available.

Or said in other words: Take it or leave it.

>> No.11131132

>>11131022
Bullshitting is essential to your success as an academic. It's all about who knows who baby.
"Pure" chemistry is for criminals, teenagers, and replaceable worker drones.

>> No.11131282

this stuff is just a guise of civility to hide the nepotism going on

>> No.11131294

>>11131282
nepotism isn't you being antisocial with professors and them not knowing you to recommend you. That's called good hiring practices, why would anyone accept someone who isnt vouched for in a high stakes environment?
The best scientist in the world is useless if they cannot communicate their ideas to others.

>> No.11131619

>>11130315
So if a uni asks for a diversity statement and I'm a white dude can I talk about how my academic upbringing was different?
Not trying to be political but I'm gonna be applying in the coming year.
My undergrad is in computer engineering and I'm applying for theoretical computer science, could I write about how my undergrad gives me a different perspective?

>> No.11131634

>>11130229
>>11130332
>>11130332
>hurr diversity of race (I.e. what Berkeley is trying to force) = diversity of thought

>> No.11131638

>>11131619
If I was white, and had to write such a statement, I would just talk about how I noticed that under represented groups were treated subtly different than "I" was, asked certain questions I would never be asked (ie: "where are you from?"), stuff like that. It would at the very least show that I am aware of diversity and it's issues. It's a real thing, but white people are constantly represented in programs in equal numbers to other ethnicities, so you just have to show you're not unaware of the diversity issue, even if you don't believe in it.
that being said international candidates at the upper level are pretty fucking competitive with white people, and everyone.

>> No.11131649

>>11130209
They don't want autists like you that think life is just about science. Maybe do a little less science and live a little more life. Science is awesome but it isn't the be all and end all.

>> No.11131759

>>11131649
> but it isn't the be all and end all.

Well since we are talking about perspectives, real pasionate people that dedicate themselves 24/7 and forego their life and hobbies to one specific field are also rare.

>> No.11131809

>>11130209
what country you in? Im guessing the US? just come to the UK or europe bro, or if thats not your flavour head over to china/south korea/japan/singapore they love white academics there.