Computer """Science""" Hate Thread

[Anonymous No.11120258]

[Anonymous No.11120263]

>>11120258
Posting these crappy threads should be an offense worthy of life-long ban.

[Anonymous No.11120271]

>>11120258
>real science
so those girls that barely passed calc 1 and stats studying bio and ecology is real science while cs which has numerical methods, lin algebra, calcs 1, 2, 3, and diffies isn't.

[Anonymous No.11120284]

>>11120258
>implying you have the strength to resist big titted anime girls

[Anonymous No.11120293]

>>11120271
>numerical methods, lin algebra, calcs 1, 2, 3, and diffies
Computer science students, as far as I know, are only required to take calcs 1 and 2, """discrete math""", and some shitty computational linear algebra class. They're the sole reason why calc 2 is considered a weed out class.

[Anonymous No.11120419]

Cope.

[Anonymous No.11120430]

>>11120293
BSA vs BS
Check your specifics
also just admit it , cs is more often than not a lot of mathematics .
You Prob went to bad school

[Anonymous No.11120673]

Computer Science is literally the only hard science in existence.
>Homotopy Type Theory is revolutionizing mathematics as we speak
>Computation theory with the Church–Turing thesis gives valuable insight on the deepest intrinsic nature of both the Universe and consciousness
>Computational Complexity gave the first and so-far only rigorous definition of the word “difficulty”
>Machine Learning is giving the first and so far only rigorous definition for a shit-ton of informal terms such as “cat” in addition to giving morals an actual long-term use
>Game Theory revolutionized and still is very promising in both economics and social sciences
>Concurrency models literally everything in asynchronous environments including business, and already has a central role in decentralized protocols

In addition to being the pinnacle of pure sciences, Computer Science is a LEM (law, engineering, medicine) field, i.e. 15 billion times the IQ of STAM fields. Let me explain, because it’s a little too subtle for the brain of a STAMmer.
>intelligence is the ability to solve problems in a way that involves long-term planning
>with the exception of catching AIDS and Ebola, all real-life problems are easier to solve if you hold power
>because of that, thirst for power is above all a sign of intelligence
>LEM fields are the only ones giving secure access to money hence power compared to pathetic STAM fields
>therefore LEM fields (which include Computer Science) are objectively smarter than STAM suicidelings

Imagine believing you’re superior to the guys who give you your minimum-wage job and get all the recognition when they stack 15 approximations on your worthless model to turn it into a functioning asset of a Fortune-500 company that makes ten times your net worth per day.

[Anonymous No.11120689]

>>11120293
What shitty university do you go to? My university requires computer science majors to take Applied Linear Algebra, Multivariable Calculus, Differential Equations, Introduction to Mathematical Statistics, Data Structures and Object-Oriented Design, Discrete Systems, and Algorithms and Complexity. You have to take these classes even if you didn't gear your major towards theoretical computer science. If your concentration was theoretical computer science you would also have to take Numerical Methods, Computational Geometry, Theory of Computation, and Parallel Systems. These are all pretty math heavy courses, to say its for stupid people is kinda weird.

[Anonymous No.11120695]

>>11120258
Gosh, that's an awful lot of mathematics and engineering, with some physics, for people who are apparently too stupid for all three.

To note, don't confuse "software engineers" with actual computer scientists, thanks.

[Anonymous No.11121175]

>>11120673

What is "STAM"? What replaces the E in Stem?

[Anonymous No.11121249]

>>11120673
Behold, a bowl of guacamole!

[Anonymous No.11121260]

>>11120258
rent free

[Anonymous No.11121270]

>>11121249
Can't we just build a discriminator network using obfuscated gradients to reduce false positives?

[Anonymous No.11121274]

>>11120258
Computer Science is a legitimate field of study.

[Anonymous No.11121278]

>>11120258
Engineering is literally the lowest hanging fruit.

[Anonymous No.11121510]

>>11121270
Nope
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.00420.pdf

[Anonymous No.11121513]

>>11121175
Arts.

>>11121249
Still more rigorous than the usual phylogenetic garbage everybody admits is full of shit but nobody bothers fixing.

[Anonymous No.11121714]

>>11120258
Dude just do >>11117290 and it works out for undergrad
CS is fine, just double major if you wanna do grad

[Anonymous No.11122247]

>>11120258
I’d be inclined to agree with you if you said “CS and engineering is for people who are too stupid for math and science.”
If you’re at all familiar with academic CS, then you know it’s fine. It feels like we have this thread every week because some undergrad needs to jerk his major off

[Anonymous No.11122250]

>>11122247
Oh by “fine,” I mean that CS is a proper mathematical science in grad / academia. If it all it means is “hurr durr coding + basic math to make coding work” then you’re stupid

[Anonymous No.11122253]

>>11120695
This isn’t even close to the math you’d need to be in general theory CS.

[Anonymous No.11123203]

>>11120258
>>>/g/73462783

[Anonymous No.11123213]

>>11121249
I know that the text says that the change is imperceptible, but I keep looking for a difference. What was the difference anyways?

[Anonymous No.11123234]

>>11122247
>If you’re at all familiar with academic CS, then you know it’s fine. It feels like we have this thread every week because some undergrad needs to jerk his major off

"academic cs" is quickly degenerating into complete bullshit. ask your average cs student how the call stack works. ask them about fixed-point combinators. ask them about literally anything that isn't a trivial java program and you'll get a blank stare. they don't have a goddamned clue, because they're not taught otherwise.

honestly, i watched the cs program at my school go from pretty good to complete shit in the span of about 5 years.

[Anonymous No.11123245]

>>11123234

and it made me realize that most cs programs are probably operating at a bus factor of at most half a dozen. all it would take is for half a dozen decent professors who actually know what they're doing to be replace by idiots to destroy a decent program.

[Anonymous No.11123258]

>>11120689

>Applied Linear Algebra
>absolutelydisgusting.jpg

[Anonymous No.11123260]

CS give you jobs and money, makes you a proud citizen who actually do something useful to his country.

All other natural sciences are all just here to boost your ego unless you are next Einstein.

[Anonymous No.11123279]

>>11120258
no. cs isn't trivial, unless we're talking about programming, the theoretical stuff is basically math, and it's not easy.

[Anonymous No.11123290]

>>11123234
>call stack
I don't think this is true. You need to know it for any class with systems level work. When I was in undergrad not that long ago I learned it in the first comp arch class, and it was reviewed in my PL, Security, OS, and Compilers classes
>fixed point combinators
Okay, sure. I was probably the only person I knew who knew about this, mostly because I did a bunch of FP related stuff. But I think that speaks more to US CS deprioritizing anything related to lambda calculus than anything else.

[Anonymous No.11123299]

>>11123234
...this is all stuff I, and many others both in my program and not learned in our first year.
>call stack
First year architecture and then again in foundations of language theory in sophomore year
>combinators
Again in foundations of languages, also in basic compiler theory
>they’re not taught otherwise
What shit school did you go to? I have my beef with CS students but not understand call conventions, the stack, or basic freshman shit is not one of them...
Also, you didn’t read the follow up - academic CS is grad CS, especially in the context of theory. Everyone deep in theory already knows all of this - it’s trivial

tl;dr leave /g/, you don’t know shit about what you’re talking about as usual.

[Anonymous No.11123322]

>>11123290

maybe. my uni just seems like a 4 year java training camp these days. you know things fucked up when you, as a grad student, are constantly second-guessing the professors. it's just miserable.

[Anonymous No.11123345]

>>11123299

oh shut up. you know public colleges aren't teaching this stuff.students are instructed to work within managed environments while forgoing the engineering details and theory. cs was cool when you were taught c or assembly. when you had some understanding of the system itself. when you weren't beholden to the whim of some asshole at oracle. fuck you.

[Anonymous No.11123364]

>>11123345
>students are instructed to work within managed environments while forgoing the engineering details and theory.
cont.

and this is really my main criticism. i hate this. i hate that people are nudged into arbitrary conventions instead of being nudged to better themselves. it's not how things should be.

[Anonymous No.11123402]

hypothetically speaking should a maths grad with a good degree go into programming or get a masters/phd instead?

[Anonymous No.11123406]

>>11120271
they don’t study Diff eq you lying nigger and you aren’t “studying” anything taking freshman level math, theoretical ecology employs more math than most cstards will ever use in their life and isn’t female dominated. Its science because its the empirical study of natural systems not because of any nomenclature or anti-csnigger bias.

[Anonymous No.11123413]

>>11121513
>phylogenetic garbage
you mean taxonomy, pseud? taxa are determined by molecular and ecological analysis not by eyeballing morphology brainlet

[Anonymous No.11123421]

>>11123345
>you know public colleges aren’t teaching this stuff
...yes, they are. I can produce the top 30 CS programs in the nation that have this as standard curriculum. My alma mater is public. My architecture class covered call stacks as we went deep into assembly. We went even deeper into call stacks, calling conventions, assignment conventions, etc. in basic programming language theory..we even covered parallization using basic affine space diagrams
>forgotten engineering details
LOLno
>and theory
Sometimes yeah, I do agree they coddle students on the theory, but that changed in upper div undergrad in my experience. I double majored in math anyway
>CS was cool when..
No? It was always cool. It still is. It’s not about software principles. The actual field about solving problems is still there. I really don’t know what your program was about anon. Mine was a good mix of theory and systems
>>11123364
Again, I’m sorry anon. My curriculum was >>11117290 as a double major.

[Anonymous No.11123438]

Two dice are rolled. The roller says at least one dice rolled a 6. What is the probability that the sum of both rolls is 7?
My answer is 1/6 here because you need a 1 to get a sum of 7.

Now what if at least one dice rolled a 5. What is the probability the sum is 7?
Again my answer is 1/6 because you need a 2 to get a sum of 7.

Am I doing something wrong here? The answers seem too obvious and I am questioning myself.

[Anonymous No.11123447]

>>11123421

even if a school isn't top 30, they should still make an effort to educate people instead of train them like monkeys.

what's the point of it all anon? it's hard to give a damn when there's no camaraderie and most people are idiots, myself included.

[Anonymous No.11123463]

>>11120271
>cs which has numerical methods
Which is such a farce compared to a numerical analysis class.
>lin algebra
The version which only covers basic computation with matrices.
>calcs 1, 2, 3, and diffies
No, most programs peter out at calc 2. And those classes easy regardless.

>>11120430
>BSA vs BS
Lel, Bachelor of XXX is an arbitrary distinction that differs wildly between schools. Way to show off that you're a freshman.
>often than not a lot of mathematics
Easy math, like accounting.

>>11120673
Stale pasta, but what's hilarious is that the cs major posting it doesn't even recognize it as blatant satire.

>>11120695
>Self teaching guide
Because undergrad cs programs S-U-C-K

>>11121274
>Computer Science is a legitimate field of self study.
lmftfy. It's a hobby everyone should pick up in their spare time.

[Anonymous No.11123472]

>>11123463
never seen a cope so massive. absolute mong post lad

[Anonymous No.11123490]

>>11123463
>Stale pasta, but what's hilarious is that the cs major posting it doesn't even recognize it as blatant satire.
Yes. I'm too stupid to know what a post I wrote myself means. Maybe I'm too stupid for CS and I should switch to math.

[Anonymous No.11123523]

>>11123447
I agree that they should, but the demand for code monkeys is stronger than actually skilled students in science. I honestly think the world would be better with a standard, harder CS curriculum for things outside the top 30. I’ve found nothing but camaraderie among people in the honors programs for both math and CS - the same people tend to show up a lot in both programs.
>>11123463
You have to make the distinction between CS the field and CS the undergrad major in a non top 30 school. Nobody learns all of CS as a hobby - no, your programming projects are not “CS.” I doubt you do any complexity theory in your day to day routine. I doubt you can even design a current, nontrivial algorithm worth a damn. I agree wholeheartedly that math and CS should be packaged together, and I believe myself to be a math major first and foremost, but what you’re doing is pseud at best and doesn’t actually address the state of affairs. There are plenty of talented CS majors drowned out by the schlock

[Anonymous No.11123551]

>>11123523
>I honestly think the world would be better with a standard, harder CS curriculum for things outside the top 30.

that's the thing though, it doesn't have to be "harder". but it should be designed in such a way that people learn something other than the manged language du jour.

[Anonymous No.11123605]

>>11123551
That’s pretty fucked if your school is about learning languages. Most of project based core requirements used C, with an exception for data structures, which used Java. Even language theory used C and lisp. Everything else for me was theory, so it was all math

Have you considered double majoring in math and skipping the bullshit classes?

[Anonymous No.11123631]

>>11123438
It's a weird question for sure, but I think the answer they are looking for is 2/11. You can get that by enumerating all of the combinations, circling the ones that have at least one six, and counting the ones that sum to 7. I think it should be the same for the second question too

[Anonymous No.11123638]

>>11123605
>double majoring in math
if they were competent enough to do math they wouldn’t be a csfag

[Anonymous No.11123648]

>>11123605

we still have all the usual courses. it's just that most of the new-ish hires don't have the slightest idea of how to run them, and the courses end up being somewhat ineffective as a result. i feel bad for the students who have to take them.

young minds are impressionable, so it's not terribly hard to design an effective course if you put a little thought into it. it's not that everything has to be about theory. but at the very least, a course should be well-organized and reinforce a general understanding of the topic.

[Anonymous No.11123657]

>>11123638
I double majored, and my CS program kept me on my toes as well as my math program most of the time after sophomore year. I'd say math undergrad is harder, but not by a lot at a good school for CS. In grad they are both very difficult..mainly because there’s only superficial pedagogical differences separating CS theory from traditional mathematics

[Anonymous No.11123689]

>>11123648
>we still have all the usual courses. it's just that most of the new-ish hires don't have the slightest idea of how to run them

and this is an inevitable result of having a different goddamned adjunct teach the course every goddamned semester.

FUCK

[Anonymous No.11123839]

>When /sci/ is a dick-measuring forum.

[Anonymous No.11123853]

>>11123839
Always has been unfortunately
What I hate is that people get stuck into thinking something can either be a sophisticated idea or it can have direct relevance outside of academia - the two aren’t mutually exclusive. You don’t have to enforce membership into one of these two camps

[Anonymous No.11123884]

CS is heading towards becoming the modern day factory job of the 1950s

[Anonymous No.11123893]

>>11123884
*frontend software development
CS is not software

[Anonymous No.11123911]

>>11123893
Agreed, i think the main problem with CS as an argument is half the people look at the pure science that and half (like me) argue its just a dev job

however, you're much less likely to find a CS major actually practicing and developing on the "sciences" then you are to find them data farming for Facebook

correct me if im wrong

[Anonymous No.11123912]

>>11120271
am I supposed to add linear algebra, differentials, and calc 3 to my courses?

[Anonymous No.11123914]

>>11123912
This is for BSc btw

[Anonymous No.11123915]

>>11123912
Ya like jazz?

[Anonymous No.11123916]

CompSci isn't the best but it's cool, involves mathematics and is better than (((Social "Science")))

[Anonymous No.11123922]

>>11123915
More of a blues guy (especially Delta blues) but jazz is pretty neat too.

It conveniently satisfies my "diversity" gen ed requirement

[Anonymous No.11123935]

>>11123911
That’s a fair assessment. The issue is that everyone confuses the two even though developing nontrivial software goes hand in hand with having good theory (on the back of cook, dijkstra, karp, rabin, etc) and actual engineering principles (actual, bonafide software engineering would be nowhere without IEEE POSIX), but in reality the camps are split. Ultimately the complexity theory, computational topology, etc. researchers are in the camp of studying a subset of pure math that in practice touches many traditional fields, discrete and continuous alike, but many naive math students here tend not to recognize that. Instead it all gets lumped into “hurr you do math that makes code go fast right?” Even though much of CS has is pure mathematics..

[Anonymous No.11123940]

>>11123916
>the best
I dunno, the way it’s been showing up as the mathematical superstar in pure math, physics, bio, and of course in its own theory in the past 40 years is nothing less than astounding

[Anonymous No.11124984]

>>11123406
I studied diff eq, engineering stats, combinatorics, graph theory, linear and non linear optimization and modeling problems, vector analysis as well as classical mechanics, E+M and optics & waves. Idk where /sci/ fags get that CS stop after linear algebra.

[Anonymous No.11125329]

>>11123406
basic differentials are not hard lol
if that's your litmus test for the difficulty, then you really are a bio major lmfao
>female dominated

[Anonymous No.11125409]

>>11120673
Anon please make a thread about all your knowledge please

[Anonymous No.11125480]

cs is cool. undergrad cs kiddies need to die though. It Pajeet, on average, until his junior year to finally realize that cs isn't video games.

[Anonymous No.11125496]

>>11124984
90% of cs undergraduate programs require calculus 2 and linear algebra, and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.11125506]

>>11123912
you go to URI

[Anonymous No.11125535]

my university is 'elite' and our cs undergraduate program is filled to the brim with the most incompetent students imaginable. cs is a magnet for shit students.

[Anonymous No.11125586]

>>11120673
>>Machine Learning is giving the first and so far only rigorous definition for a shit-ton of informal terms such as “cat” in addition to giving morals an actual long-term use
holy kek this is your mind on codemonkey curve fitting

[Anonymous No.11125718]

>>11120258
i dunno man, i get paid a lot of money for less work and less college years. I have a new car im ultra fit and before i got marreid to my hot wife i fucked 10 different big ttited grisls , smeelss like envy to me matey boi