Hubris

[Anonymous No.11119998]

Did humans vastly overestimate their capabilities?

Areas like Robotics, AI and Genetics were supposed to be the things that shot us into the realm of a real Sci-Fi future, yet all of those fields have been met by dead end after dead end. At best they've achieved stagnation or have shifted over to completely different objectives than what they set out to do.

Robots, human-like AI and widespread gene-editing are just pipedreams, much like interstellar travel.

Hell, even just making a big fucking telescope and putting it further out into space has proved to be a herculean effort for humanity. Just look at the JWST.

[Anonymous No.11120062]

>>11119998
Actually it's just a lack of funding. We spend alot more on useless wars than on research.

[Anonymous No.11120113]

>humans advance more in 100 years than we have in the preceding 200,000
>dude why aren't we further ahead

[Anonymous No.11120349]

>>11119998
google is a hideously corrupt political pressure operation
it was supposed to be a forward-thinking futuristic company
the government needs to be vigorous in its prosecution of anti-competitive practices
technology in the hands of rotten people produces rotten results
that's why google is a cautionary tale instead of a role model

[Anonymous No.11120575]

>>11119998
Human-like AI at least is inevitable. People just seriously underestimate how much time it takes for these researches to progress.

[Anonymous No.11120609]

>>11119998
We're right of the middle of a massive ai reassurance. What are you talking about?
Compare the pace of advancement now to what it was in mid 2000s.

Every retard can write an image classifier in python when back then it was an insurmountable challenge.

[Anonymous No.11120640]

>>11119998
You could not be more wrong.
We're actually advancing ever more rapidly, in fact, we're advancing so rapidly now that much research largely goes unnoticed, or unimplemented until decades later.
Also, as other anons have said, we've advanced massively in the last two centuries alone!
Stop falling for the memes, you've only been alive for 2 decades, at most, you've experienced shit all. Seen shit all. Stop acting like you know a damn thing, you plebe.

[Anonymous No.11120829]

>>11119998
>yet all of those fields have been met by dead end after dead end

Predicting the future is hard.
NO ONE 50 years ago predicted that the average American would have a portable HD quality computer with instantaneous connection to all the worlds knowledge, allowing face to face communication with just about anyone, a global positioning system, a video camera and all with a vocal interface otherwise known as the Average smart phone.

[Anonymous No.11120840]

>>11119998
The problem isn't sciences, but rather politics/society/money. Make a trillion dollar engineering fund that funds 100 billion yearly, and we'll see significant results.

[Anonymous No.11121818]

>>11119998
>>a real Sci-Fi future
I'll have a one true Scotsman please. Also 1984 can be considered science fiction and it's almost real in places like china.
>>what they set out to do
most of those fields didn't set out to do anything specific.
>>robotics
>>dead
no. We're finally starting to see progress in things like manipulation though. But look anon, things are hard, get over it.

[Anonymous No.11121823]

>>11120113
Can someone please explain how the stick traveled through the post on the right?

[Anonymous No.11121843]

>>11119998
Humans have always had a much larger and better view of themselves than reality. That's why every single fucking comic book, tv show, movie and video game has protagonists that are ever-virtuous and don't poop even though nobody has ever existed like this in the history of the world.

Delusion is a human racial trait like swimming is for fish or flying is for birds.

[Anonymous No.11121845]

>>11120062
Yeah, just give Elon a few more billion. All the problems would get fixed any day now if plutocrats just had more money.

[Anonymous No.11121848]

>>11121823
Holy shit I never noticed that before.

[Anonymous No.11121851]

>>11121823
>>11121848
>Imagine being dumber than a dog

[Anonymous No.11121863]

>>11121845
Given what SpaceX has managed with a few billion, if you gave them the trillions pissed away on wars for Israel then yes, I think we would see some results.

[Anonymous No.11121868]

>>11120113
And we stagnated again. Humanity desperately needs a breakthrough but there isn't any.

[Anonymous No.11121881]

>>11121868
>Reusable rocketry about to crack open space big time
>For real net generation fusion reactors under construction using new superconductors
>Computers getting more advanced by the day, processors are dealing with quantum fucking level problems

What more do you want nigger holy shit

[Anonymous No.11121883]

>>11119998
>widespread gene-editing are just pipedreams
cringe

[Anonymous No.11121887]

>>11121863
They've managed nothing but fooling rubes into thinking century old nazi rocket tech is some real hot new shit.

[Anonymous No.11121899]

>>11119998
People over estimate close future and underestimate distant future.

[Anonymous No.11121902]

>>11121887
Yeah please show me the 1919 Nazi rocket that flipped ass over and landed on a dime to launch again multiple times.

[Anonymous No.11121910]

>>11121902
Oh, you mean they're landing century old nazi rocket technology? How amazing!

I have nothing but contempt for brainlets like you.

[Anonymous No.11121912]

>>11121902
Btw, what is all this for? You can't terraform planets. NASA's already debunked Mars being terraformed right on their own website, and that's the best candidate. You also can't create self-contained, sealed habitates. Biosphere 2's disastrous performance proved that. What the fuck do you actually think you're going to DO with these rockets?

[Anonymous No.11121944]

>>11121868
>And we stagnated again.
Or you're 12 years old and have literally zero historical perspective.

[Anonymous No.11121959]

>>11121944
How about this for historical perspective? We used to have passenger planes that broke the sound barrier. We used to have space shuttles that got replaced by what space shuttles replaced. No technology now works because every company wants consumers to be their slaves and the LITERAL FUCKING PHONE SYSTEM IN AMERICA NO LONGER FUNCTIONS BECAUSE OF ALL THE FUCKING SCAMMERS. Time is not a straight line from the caves to the stars. This is a lie. This has always been a lie.

[Anonymous No.11121999]

>>11119998
No, we can do very scary things. We have done things that are so crazy we say they are impossible even after we do them, that is how much we underestimate us.

Robotics is highly advanced already. Human level A.I. has been shown not to work because of a misunderstanding years ago which futurist just ignore. Gene editing has been held back by ethic and potential harm issues. Interstellar travel is too far out currently and is under funded, maybe get to other planets first or have some idea on how to build FTL.

I kind of am annoyed as you cite fields, not applications. Science is cool, but applications is what you are probably thinking of as many make that mistake. It is not the invention of the cell phone, it is that you can remotely talk to anyone easily and all that cell phone tech is just one way to do it.

As for JWST you do understand of this issues of politics and funding.

Nearly all of our advances have come from people have time and resources to figure things out. Apollo had tax dollars, even the renaissance men had patrons, early inventors were well to do farmers with free time (and likely slaves).

And these things have scale effects. You want a simple development give one person a small workshop and let them find an answer, you want something way more complex well now you need an infrastructure and a team of thousands of highly skilled workers, which honestly doesn't cost much given long term return but it is hard funding it. So you just need to find something similar that will get funding.

But what really changes things is applications.
You know the story of the post-it note? It wasn't the new glue or all the R&D required to allow the accident to happen, it was that people started writing notes on bookmarks.

>>11121912
We know exactly what went wrong in Biosphere 2. Concrete was still absorbing O2 and threw off environmental calculations too much. We just start small and learn from mistakes. and we can learn.

[Anonymous No.11122005]

>>11121999
They also claim it was the soil. There are so many things wrong with the Biosphere 2 project it would take me several hours to discuss them all.

[Anonymous No.11122010]

>>11120113
>>11121823
It's a little clearer in the video.
https://youtu.be/m_CrIu01SnM

[Anonymous No.11122020]

>>11122005
We could make many threads on this. But the bigger point is that we could and I argue should make a Biosphere 3 and 4 so on. New big data tools would really help for this project given the relatively primitive data they collected. Each time getting a better understanding and learning and growing. It will take several life times to figure it out to the level needed for off world colonization, but if we don't try we have already failed.

[Anonymous No.11122030]

>>11122020
Nope. Nope. Nope. Any sequels would be even worse and mismanaged even more spectacularly. Without my input they could never make it work. Humans are incapable of understanding the workings of ecosystems. Their personal politics get too much in the way.

[Anonymous No.11122046]

>>11122030
That is why you just include the bribe money in the cost.

Sure if sucks that it drive the cost up a lot, but even at ~4 times to cost it would only be 1 Billion, half of it would pay to have the bad managers and others go take a vacation away from the work while the rest goes to the hard working people that will make it work.

Get an army of pissed off engineers, professors and new grad students and just don't let things get in their way.
I have seen what unrestricted design teams can do. The setup has work well for hundreds of years very well. I know people who could do this and suspect there are many more if just given the right conditions.

[Anonymous No.11122064]

>>11122046
You misunderstand. You can't just throw money at the problem. The problem is humans.

[Anonymous No.11122071]

>>11119998
I think the closest thing we are to is gene editing.

But not like how people portray it in general (cf gattaca, making a child as smart as possible) but rather in a softer way by getting ride of retardation-induce genes.

We already have a glimpse of it with down syndrome wich is set to disapear thanks to widespread abortion, the next step will be to detect in the womb genes coding for softer kind of retardation (iq below 70) and allowing people to abort in those cases.

[Anonymous No.11122082]

>>11120062
>we jus need mo money for dem programs

[Anonymous No.11122085]

>>11122064
I see, our views differ too much.
I think that the problem are bad humans, which can be educated, bribed or killed (although I do recognize the ethical issues with such a over simplification in which other factions are eradicated).
You appear to think humans in inherently the problem.
In which case I ask a more personal question (that maybe out of bounds here) on: what hope you have, or how you live without such hope? And how we have gotten to where we are today?

[Anonymous No.11122089]

>>11121959
>We used to have passenger planes that broke the sound barrier
Replaced by cheap near instant global communication.
>We used to have space shuttles
Replaced by rockets that cost a fraction of the shuttle.
>No technology now works
Have you owned a car from the '70s or a computer from the '80s? Shit is way more reliable now with very few "planned obsolescence" exceptions.
>Time is not a straight line from the caves to the stars
I'm guessing you mean technological advancement rather than "time"? I have never heard it claimed that technological advancement is steady, it has been boosted by wars and retarded by religion for millenia.

[Anonymous No.11122093]

>>11122085
And I think the problem is humans are literally too stupid to ever do anything competently. Human history vindicates my view. The only way humans could succeed with a project like Biosphere 2 is by having nonhuman assistance.

>>11122089
The internet is not a plane. Cheaper does not mean better. Cars today are unreliable specifically because of all the electronic bullshit in them.

[Anonymous No.11122101]

>>11119998
The seemingly 'rapid' scientific advances of the 20th century were not the norm. More complicated scientific research is at the forefront now, and more complicated endeavors take longer. That's why some people complain about science "slowing down" or whatever.

[Anonymous No.11122116]

>>11122093
>The internet is not a plane
The target market was the same, the vast majority of Concord passangers were going to meetings which can now be held online for a couple of dollars (power and data included) instead of spending ten thousand dollars for the same task.
>Cars today are unreliable specifically because of all the electronic bullshit in them
If you think modern cars are less reliable than they were in the '70s and '80s then you have never owned an old car. I agree they put a lot of unrequired shit in them but the odds of your car starting when you turn the key have greatly increased.

[Anonymous No.11123289]

>>11122116
>Axchually, high technology regressing is a good thing. Let me tell you how.
Do you work for online news media or something?

[Anonymous No.11123430]

Late stage capitalism has caused stagnation. Research is only funded for the sake of short term profits. Without a great enemy like the Soviet union, there's no reason to limit corporate control of government.

[Anonymous No.11123541]

>>11121999
>Robotics is highly advanced already
>Gene editing has been held back by ethic and potential harm issues
Stopped reading there. Retarded pop-sci brainlet who has no clue what he's talking about.

[Anonymous No.11123561]

>>11119998

No. Most technological discoveries take over a full century or more to mature.

[Anonymous No.11124310]

>>11120062
On the otherhand cellphones do get funding and I'd say they're pretty damn advanced compared to the 90s/00s

[Anonymous No.11124322]

>>11123541
>popsci
You look at this and tell me it's not a work of fucking boltz.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq6mJOktIvM
It can out ballet YOU.

[Anonymous No.11124334]

>>11124322
FAKE AND GAY