Unlocking Immortality

[Anonymous No.11104689]

In the next 60 years, do you think it will be possible to extend our lifespan indefinitely?

[Anonymous No.11104690]

>>11104689
no. treatments will come out that treat many ills associated with old age.
but extending lifespan indefinitely would be considered solving all medical problems.

[Anonymous No.11104692]

No. Immorality is impossible.

[Anonymous No.11104732]

>>11104692
This, entropy must always increase, heath death is inevitable

[Anonymous No.11104733]

>>11104689
how does he eat?

[Anonymous No.11104735]

>>11104732
>heath death
What do you have against people called Heath

[Anonymous No.11105003]

>>11104689
No. But maybe the lifespan can be extended up to 120y.

Basically this >>11104732

[Anonymous No.11105032]

>>11104732
That's only if the universe is a closed system.

[Anonymous No.11105125]

>>11105032
the universe is a closed system, even if the multiverse hypothesis is true and bubble universes could exchange energy, the multiverse as a whole is still closed

[Anonymous No.11105130]

>>11104689
Yes. It is a pot shot, but it is possible.

[Anonymous No.11105238]

>>11104689
I don't see it happening unless we start seeing full-body cryonics procedures which actually provably work. Then if you eventually get an incurable ailment, you could just freeze it out for a few years until someone finds a cure.

[Anonymous No.11105274]

>>11104689
>Extend our lifespan
Yes
>To the point of immortality
No

We're going to figure out how to add like 20-50 years, but then we're going to find our bodies have new, more creative ways to die.

[Anonymous No.11106088]

>>11105274
wtf. your post gave me a touch of unidentified dread.

[Anonymous No.11106147]

>>>heat death
Heat death is for things of a much higher order of magnitude than us humans, it's at the scale of stars, galaxies, and millions of years

The entropy the human body (and in fact, all "low-entropy being", IE, all the solid and liquid matter around us) generates is "evacuated" in the form of black body radiation
Black body radiation is essentially the way "ordered things" evacuate their entropy

Immortality in the human concept means a few hundreds, maybe a thousand years at best
You'll kill yourself of boredom before you reach that age

[Anonymous No.11106280]

>>11106147
I want to kill myself. but I am afraid of pain or failing. I do not know that if I enlightened myself or just normal being.

[El Arcón No.11106361]

No, the Lord will kill everyone who is into that sort of thing. You live and then you die: this is the Lord's plan for you.

[Anonymous No.11107052]

>>11104690
>people will die of neurodermitis

[Anonymous No.11107054]

>>11106361

[Anonymous No.11107091]

>>11105274
>>11106147
>>11104692
>>11104690
i am just glad we won't have people like you in the future

[Anonymous No.11107135]

>>11104692
There are already creatures that are biologically immortal. When most people say "immortality" they are referring to biological immortality.

[Anonymous No.11107136]

>>11107052
dermatitis of the brain? sounds horrible.

[Anonymous No.11107771]

>>11104689
Hayflick's limit would make that impossible
But who knows, science can be unpredictible

[Anonymous No.11107795]

>>11107091
They won't have you in the future either

[Anonymous No.11107825]

>>11107136
You ever wonder why most old peoples brains get spongifed despite no biological disease or deformaty during a few cases of unsourced dementia or alzheimers? Their wind up "springs" within all or some of their brain cells run out of twist power. Their telomerese get exhausted.

[Anonymous No.11107979]

>>11104689
I would imagine there's so many degrading factors that we'll never be able to reliably account for all of them, if we ever do we'll be at the technological equivalent of magic where we can reconstruct piles of ash. We might crack the code for telomere length or some other nebulous mechanism and we'd discover another one that's causing us to die. Another issue is how time consuming any of these studies will be, there's no way to know if you've extended someone's lifespan if they haven't actually lived it, we could have 120 year olds in peak physical condition dying in droves because of one mechanism out of alignment.

[Anonymous No.11108023]

>>11106361
My lord isn't a sadistic bastard, and wants me to slay the demons of death and sickness though.

[Anonymous No.11108039]

>>11107825
>>11107771
It sounds like a fundamental problem of how cellular life both functions and replicates. To someone like me (a brainlet) it sounds like it's not impossible, but that the ability to fundamentally alter the molecular mechanics of cells themselves i.e. build new molecules, build new types of cells. Is such a thing physically possible? Not within our lifetimes, but period?

[Anonymous No.11108053]

it will probably be possible to make an exact simulation of your brain on a computer in the next 60 years, which is probably the closest "you" will get to immortality. The core problem is that organic bodies are so shitty that it's easier to just start from scratch than to try to fix the mess of planned obsolescence.

That said, I think people ITT are greatly underestimating how much technologies can advance in 60 years in the modern age. Saying an anti-aging technique is unlikely is fine, but impossible? We already understand many of the mechanisms of aging, and none of them are theoretically impossible to deal with.

Also this shit about entropy and heat death is a completely different topic. It's many orders of magnitude farther off than just the issue of aging or death by illness. It's like somebody asking how they can earn a penny and then you go on a rant about how they should bother because they'll never earn all of the money on the entire planet. Lets just focus on the penny for now.

[Anonymous No.11108252]

>>11108039
http://theconversation.com/lust-for-life-breaking-the-120-year-barrier-in-human-ageing-14911
This article will explain everything way better than I can

[Anonymous No.11108284]

>>11108039
Biological immortality does exist. The jellyfish turritopsis dohrnii can revert to their polyp stage at any point in their life, essentially resetting their biological clock. Meanwhile, the Hydra genus of organisms doesn't age at all.

[Anonymous No.11108324]

>>11106088
An alternative option is the cost of maintenance. Even if we can avoid the degradation that comes with age. But not the degradation that comes with wear and tear.

[Anonymous No.11108405]

>>11104732
>extrapolating our physical laws to the whole of the universe of which we understand very little

[Anonymous No.11108758]

We will simply solve the longevity issue mid-term (like a couple hundred years) by abandoning our bodies beneath the neck. This dramatically lowers your chance of disease while not requiring quantum leaps with neurotech-engineering. Basically you'd only have to fear dementia and brain cancer.

[Anonymous No.11109841]

>>11106361
based

[Anonymous No.11109849]

>>11104692
>No. Immorality is impossible.

[Anonymous No.11109851]

>>11106147
>Immortality in the human concept means a few hundreds, maybe a thousand years at best
>You'll kill yourself of boredom before you reach that age

This. Tolkienian elves or God Emperor Leto II's lifespans are shorter than a mayfly's compared to the almost incomprehensible span of time between us and the heat death of the universe. You could live for 100 million years, touring our and nearby galaxies at 0.9C like an intergalactic Instagram thot, before killing yourself of boredom, and it would still be a blink of an eye compared to the trillion-year timespans involved in the heat death.

[Anonymous No.11111299]

>>11109851
>>11106147
Fuck both of you, if I get the option to live forever I am going to remember this random interaction on 4chan. If I lose my memories over time I will have someone else remind me of it every couple years. I'll live as long as I possibly can and never kill myself out of spite toward you specifically. Might not live forever, but I'll never fucking kill myself, that's loser talk.

[Anonymous No.11111303]

>>11104689

Absolutely. A lucky few will exploit the coming cognitive revolution and conquer the planet. They'll expand their minds, consuming the world and then the solar system.

Eventually, they'll annex the galaxy, turning every star into a Matrioshka brain.

[Anonymous No.11111355]

>>11104733
He cured himself of eating

[Anonymous No.11111452]

>>11104689
No. There will no be need in immortality when we will reach intellegence singularity. Which will happen soon.

[Anonymous No.11111456]

Don't know about modern ones 1900>.
Euler.

[Anonymous No.11111467]

>>11104689
why would anyone but a child want this!??
I mean, I am a chad, wealthy white male. My life is perfect. But there's just no point in living forever

[Anonymous No.11111596]

>>11104689

We can not even stop the symptoms of aging let alone cure it.

When they make a 90 year old wrinkled bald man have the smooth clear skin of a baby and the thick long hair of a teenager THEN I will start thinking about the possibility of much longer lifespans.

I see ZERO actual concrete practical results of all this anti-ageing hocks-pockus

[Anonymous No.11111725]

>>11104689
No.

Think about this logically.

If they did invent it it would trickle down, and only to a certain point. If the wealth of the median person was still on the upswing, then the day you see the richest man in the world become immortal means it'll be easily 100 years before that's available to an average consumer.

However, people are getting poorer in the western world, so in actual reality it would NEVER become affordable to the average man.

If we don't kill all the rich people before they figure out immortality they will literally rule forever over hell on earth. Please. Please at least acknowledge getting rid of them is the only hope.

[Anonymous No.11111960]

>>11111725
You sound envious.

[Anonymous No.11111995]

>>11104689
>In the next 60 years
What gives people the impression that the next few decades will fundamentally change our lives? The 2010s have basically been pointless. No major discoveries were made. Right now we are trying to make space travel cheaper, but that's something we've been trying for 60 or so years. Medicine has barely advanced and average lifespan has stagnated. What makes you believe we'll be able to to add a sufficient amount of years to our lifespan when there isn't even the slightest indication for it to happen? Death is random, and whether you die to some disease prior to celebrating your 40th birthday is almost entirely left to chance. Nothings gonna happen. You live during the time of stagnation.

[Anonymous No.11112313]

>>11111995
>What gives people the impression that the next few decades will fundamentally change our lives?
Desperation

[Anonymous No.11112345]

>>11108758
and boy are they something to fear

[Anonymous No.11112350]

>>11105032
No it doesn't even matter if the universe is a closed system or not because it's effectively a closed system the size of our local group. Because the rest of the universe is expanding away from us faster than we could ever reach it. Meaning the resources contained within this local group will be the only thing humanity will ever have access to. It's basically our universe for all intents and purposes. We can see the other parts of the universe but never communicate with it as the light send from us will never reach that part of the sky.

What we are seeing right now is light released billions of light years ago when we were still a lot closer. Light being released right now from those galaxies will never reach us. The distance between us is already growing so fast that it's outpacing photons.

This means that essentially in a practical way our local group IS a closed system with no energy entering or getting out of it. Meaning all energy within it will eventually become entropic.

[Anonymous No.11112401]

>>11104689
The main problem with the anti-aging investigation is funding. Maybe with lots of it we could get near a level where we could have 90 year old person with the health and looks of 30 years old one, and could even consider living more than 150 years in perfect health.

Think of cellphones and tech overall. Merely 20 years ago the smartphones we have today would look something out of a sci-fi movie. How was this possible? Lots of money == innovation. Now think of space rockets: The tech was almost frozen in time until just recently because the government took the NASA budget to spend it in trivial shit like free gives for votes and/or over priced pieces of military equipment. Maybe if these life-extension guys succeed with their start-up ventures we could see the beginning of a life-extension race.

Naturally this process will not be perfect and there is also the question whether we plebs will be able to access the technology, but in the end is entirely possible we the tools we have today, the problem remains a lack of will from both governments and market.

[Anonymous No.11112417]

>>11111995
>Nothing technologically relevant has happened during the last 2 decades.

>Meanwhile this anon in his home, pic related