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we can go back to eating meat now bois

>> No.11094926
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>>11094886
97% vs 3%

>> No.11094934

>>11094886
in soviet russia, meat eats you!

>> No.11094938

>>11094886
Why does the scientific consensus on nutrition change so frequently?

>> No.11094946

>>11094886
The field of nutrition is full of this tug of war
Probably the smartest thing to do (as we're not fundamentally different to the adaptations of our ancestors) is eat in accordance to the the Lindy Effect. That is, what worked then works now.
Or just follow the cutting edge of scientific noise before those lecturing have even lived out their practice

>> No.11094947

>>11094886
Damn how am I going to sell my deep fried maggots now

>> No.11094952

>>11094938
one corrupt report does not a scientific consensus make

>> No.11094958

>>11094938
>reseacher 1: we found a 0.000001% increase in cancer among those who eat red meat
>researcher 2: actually if you change the analyzed groups in a way so it is less biased you can see that there isn't an increase at all and even then your numbers are still gay and barely show a correlation

>> No.11094962

>>11094946
But that's inherently flawed since the reason it's in such a tug of war is because new harm and illnesses come up every day.
You can't eat a caveman diet because cavemen lived like absolute shit. Classical diets we basically have no idea what they were. Can't go with a medeival diet because everyone were fat and most pre-70's diets would be out the window because it expects you to do hard labor not heard of before or after the industrialization begun.

>> No.11095089

>>11094962
>people were fat in medieval times
Pick up a book, you stupid nigger. Your average man was 5'7" 150lb. Grain was the staple food and people rarely ate meat.

>> No.11095105

>>11094958
>researcher: what if I ran a regression analysis on this data for modern dietary additions such as refined car-
>NOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT

>> No.11095111

>>11094938
Because it involves an astonishing amount of money

>> No.11095142

>>11094886
That's not what the paper said. They twisted those scientist's words again for publicity.

>> No.11095177

>eating meat isn't that bad
>uproarious
Absolute state.

>> No.11095184

>>11095089
> people rarely ate meat
A niggers fairy tale. People always eat a lot of meat. Fishing, deer, rabbits etc. Just because they didn't farm much meat doesn't mean they didn't constantly eat it.

>> No.11095346

>>11095184
There's a great study that came out recently examining the back bones of Europeans over the past 2000 years. There's 4 periods where they're relatively healthy and not eroded to shit - following the Antonine plague, the collapse of the Roman empire, the 14th century black death and the modern period from the 19th century onwards. Basically, humans were on the edge of terrible health for most of history unless something killed off most people and increased resources for the survivors like Malthus predicted.

>> No.11095350

Find your oldest relative and eat like them

>> No.11095357

>>11094938
Bacause what's happening ow its the same thing that happened when it was found out that smoking killed people

>> No.11095363

>>11095089
based

>> No.11095366

>>11094938
Money, lobbies, giant corps. This is why people no longer trust science.

>> No.11095369

>haven't eaten animals for 4 years
>literally activating chad genes and becoming an athlete, doctors amazed by results, verified by blood tests
>leading by example instead of debating idiots who still can't do proper body recomp

>> No.11095373

>>11095184
You fucking retard red meet was for the nobles and common folk got executed for hunting animals. Not to mention church forbid eating meet for like 200 days a year.

>> No.11095508

>>11094886
Biology isn't a real science yet. Results can never be properly repeated.

>> No.11095712

>>11094938
because nutrition science is bogus, see the curse of dimensionality which is apparently unknown to the nutrition researchers whose research pretty much amounts to applying statistical methods blindly

>> No.11095741

>>11094938
maybe trying to explain nutrition on the broadest and vaguest possible terms is not actually useful
I mean every individual has certain unique qualities that affect their metabolism, would you really believe someone who is saying that all people across the world have equally high risk of getting cancer from eating red meat?

>> No.11095750

>>11094886
>Believing (((they))) had your best interest in heart by advocating diets that are literally known to cause bone and brain decay and an impossibility to get essential nutrients from plants

>> No.11095757

>>11094886
Shitty bait threads ruin this board.
Don’t draw conclusions from only one study.

>> No.11095759

>>11095750
>and an impossibility to get essential nutrients from plants

You can acquire all essential nutrients eating only plants. Literally google it

>> No.11095764

>>11095759
But you can't absorb critical amino acids or B12… they may be present but you're not receiving any. On the other hand you can actually live (healthily) on eating only meat, Google it.

>> No.11095852

Let me guess, the misinterpreted the p-value

>> No.11095923

>>11095346
Source?

>> No.11095998

>>11094938
In addition to the money and special interests groups people have pointed out, nutritional studies with rigorous methodology are usually hard to do. Asking people to remember what they ate is pretty unreliable.

>> No.11096298

i eat pussy

>> No.11096305 [DELETED] 

>>11096298
Enjoy your throat cancer, bitchboy.

>> No.11096311

>>11096298
I drink loli juice every morning

>> No.11096314

>>11096298
Cringe and blue-pilled

>> No.11096317
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>>11095764
>google it

nah bro, I'm good. I know you're full of shit and you don't even realize it.

>> No.11096567

>>11096317
It's well documented, you need to have a well rounded meat diet though, you need muscle meat, organ meat and animal fat. You can actually reverse heart disease and lose weight. It's a very healthy diet.

>> No.11096591 [DELETED] 

>>11095764
>Google it.
>go find the proof
dumbass

>> No.11096595

>>11095764
none of this is true and eating only meat shrinks your penis, Google it.

>> No.11096636

>>11096595
Completely baseless, soi on the other hand can do that due to its isoflavones mimicking estrogen.

>> No.11096640

>>11096636
nope, what you're saying is completely baseless, meat on the other hand does

>> No.11096644

diet is a fucking meme
there are way more relevant ways to be healthy, like exercising

>> No.11096645

>>11096640
>>11096636
Post studies, scrubs.

>> No.11096647

>>11096640
Oh. You're a troll.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18558591/

>> No.11096654

>>11095373
>you fucking retard
>”meet”

>> No.11096655

In all honesty Americans and the rest of the 1st world eat like fat lards. I didn't realize how bad it was until I got a roommate who ate 3 hamburgers as day, when I commented on it he said "it's good protein" when he was classified as obese and was completely sedentary. Your diet should be 15%, 20% TOPS meat.

>> No.11096656

>>11096647
>sample size of one
>drank nearly 3l of onions milk per day
>even so it wasn't linked to onions directly, just a correlation study
it could have been any 1 of the ingrediants in the onions milk that he was drinking in huge quantities

>> No.11096673

>>11096656
>>11096656
onion milk if it is a thing would increase testosterone production

>> No.11096674

>>11094938
Because anything that deals with human biology is too complicated for us to understand properly.

>> No.11096683

>>11096656
How about a sample size of 126million?
You can see the feminizing effects on the Japanese population as a whole

>> No.11096684

>>11096673
basedmilk

>> No.11096696

The problem is being sedentarian. If you eat a lot of meat/protein and don't use it doing exercises it will accumulate in your system and cause inflamation. Same stuff with carbs. Athletes have very efficient digestive systems and immune systems, they can eat whatever and ony restrict their diet for performance purposes. Construction and rural workers in my country eat almost a bucket of rice and meat everyday and are strong as horses. When they get old and stop using their bodies is when diseases take hold. Do exercises everyday the most you can, your body will adjust and heal itself

>> No.11096702

>>11096696
eating nothing but meat lowers inflammation though

>> No.11096718

>>11096683
>How about a sample size of 126million?
yeah sure, link the study

>> No.11096732

>>11096718
have you seen Japanese people.?

>> No.11096736

>>11096702
Do you have any sources? I searched "meat lowers inflammation" and I can only find the opposite.

>> No.11096747

>>11096732
usually I stretch the corner of my eyes to fit in with them but then I can't see so well

most of the time I can't

>> No.11096748

>>11096732
so you can't give a study?

>> No.11096755

>>11094938
>scientific consensus on nutrition
when has this ever existed?

>> No.11096756

>>11096748
just study Japanese people, just observe them. Be a fucking scientist.

>> No.11096760

>>11096756
so you don't have a study? it's still a case of
>go prove me right
I'm open to the idea of carnivore but the issue is they never provide anything to back up their claims other than
>just trust me bro

>> No.11096765

>>11096760
Not him, but you have yet to post the study stating that meat shrinks your peepee. Fucking scrub.

>> No.11096766

>>11096765
because it doesn't, I posted that to make a point he made a bunch of claims and provided no proof, so someone can do the same in reverse and both are equally valid

>> No.11096788

>>11096760
>studies for carnivore diet
this is just to get you started I'll post more shortly
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21239090
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2903695/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25580916
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5108126/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3899416/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6389668/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4532752/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

>> No.11096792

>>11096788
cheers pal, also are these just copy/paste studies or are you actually finding them 1 by one? cause I'm curious about long term heart health on carnivore because I've heard it's more of a carb issue than meat

>> No.11096798

>>11096788
im actually finding them, that's why its taking a bit

>> No.11096801

>>11096798
appreciate it mate

>> No.11096806

>>11096792
also im pretty sure one or two of those I posted were either on positive heart effects and another was about previous studies that showed negative heart effects were actually from force feeding rats much higher amounts then would be healthy with any food.

>> No.11096809

>>11096806
how long have you been carni for? also what's the common explanation on the vegetarian push in science and medicine?

>> No.11096845

>>11094938
>A
It's almost as if science is actually really hard, we're really bad at it and we're constantly wrong about it.

>> No.11096849

weight loss
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6024699/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598025/

>> No.11096853

muscles (meat proteins vs vegetarian alternatives, this one shouldn't be a surprise)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3905294/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6185420/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4529719/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6185420/

>> No.11096871

>>11096809
i'm not, I eat a well rounded diet, I just think if you want to do a restrictive diet it's healthier than being a vegan.

reduction in pain/inflammation (just a note, there isn't a consensus on whether meat actually lowers meat or if it's just plants that are causing inflammation)
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0008349
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4869556/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16531187
had to remove a couple 4chan thought was spam..

>> No.11096877

>>11096317
Holy shit you are fucking retarded.

>> No.11097173

>>11096849
Those two are the same studies. The only result I can see is that caloric restriction reduces weight and plant diets have 5 higher cravings associated with them. I see in their experimental design they did portion control on the beef plan over macro-counting, so I'm skeptical.

>>11096871
Those are over extracts and ketogenic diets. Is there any consensus on actual intake of red meat and inflammation?

>> No.11097322

>>11096809
>also what's the common explanation on the vegetarian push in science and medicine?

Because it's the fucking truth?

>> No.11097332

>>11097322
it's not though.

>> No.11097334

>>11094886
vegans on suiwatch

>> No.11097402

>>11094886
REEEE EAT BUGS

>> No.11097449

>>11097322
>we evolved to eat like goats
where did you get that from?

>> No.11097474

>>11095373
>meet
FUCK. I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING

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>>11094938
"Nutrition Science" came from the Home Economics Department. They don't even take math or science. It should be part of Medicine but no money to be made.

>> No.11097973

>>11096655
people are fat because of the amount they eat, not what they eat
they're healthy or not based on *what* they eat

>> No.11097977

>>11095373
>moves goalposts from meat in general to "red meet"
>conveniently ignores fish was allowed on sundays and the pope had some interesting views on what counted as a fish (including beavers)

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>>11094886

>> No.11099009

I eat a balanced mediterranean diet, clearly the superior diet. Fite me.

>> No.11099073

>>11094938
You now realize 95% of all cientific reports are skewed

>> No.11099090

>>11094886
You just have to stay close to the diet your hunter gatherer ancestors have adapted to. For example in my family it's been the rule to fill 3/4 of your plate with plant products and 1/4 of your plate with animal products and everyone of my family is healthy. All my great-grandparents that didn't die in WW2 lived up to 90.

>> No.11099259

>>11096317
>eeeeeh google it
<no you google it lmao
>EEEEEEH UR WRONG
Ah yes, veganism.
>>11096595
Now he's trying to aim for masculinity.
>>11096766
>i was only pretending to be retarded
>>11097322
More like (((truth)))
>>11097449
His ass.

>> No.11099303

>>11096809
>Convince people to remove meat from their diet
>Sell them supplements to subdue the effects of nutrient deficiency temporarily
>They develop more health problems after a while
>Sell them medications to deal with the health problems
>The medication becomes less and less effective due to tolerance
>Sell them drugs to suppress the suffering, mental illness and depression

All hail the pharma industry, the Veggies best friend.

>> No.11099820

>>11094886
Anyone with a brain could take one look at long term vegans and know their diet was unhealthy.

>> No.11099918

>>11095184
If you don't farm meat there's not a lot of it.

>> No.11099925

>>11094947
Exactly. The elites fly jets and shit but plebs are to be vegan, recycle and save electricity. Complete medieval shit to cover up the falling standard of life.

>> No.11099930

>>11094886
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIrgywCfBOQ

>> No.11099958

>>11099925
You will eat bugs and you will live in the pod and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

>> No.11099978

>>11096809
it is usually feefees. they hate hunters/redneaks and love little critters. but don't call them critters because I quote a environmentalist "that is what redneaks call them to justify shooting them"

>> No.11100276

>>11094938
https://michaelpollan.com/articles-archive/unhappy-meals/

>> No.11100307

>>11099303
delusional retard

>> No.11100349

>>11100307
bluepillsd

>> No.11100353

>>11100349
nice try but nah

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I mean really look at this motherfucker

>> No.11100573

>>11100276
>Don’t take the silence of the yams as a sign that they have nothing valuable to say about health.
kek

That was a great read

>> No.11100582

>>11094886
So what the fuck do I have to eat If I want to live a healthy life?

>> No.11100599

>>11100582
mediterranean diet ie a little of everything

>> No.11100612

>>11100582
Eat food
Not too much
Mostly plants

Nothing food-like, or in other words nothing your great-great-grandma wouldn't recognize. Whole meat, particularly high-quality grass-fed, is fine

>> No.11100620

>>11094938
Harvard is running these massive longitudinal studies that survey hundreds of thousands of people over decades about what they eat and any diseases they develop — based on this it is believed that meat is bad for health because people who eat meat correlate with people who get cancer and more diseases.

>> No.11100622

>>11094886
what the vegetarians can't claim moral superiority now? hahahaha

>> No.11100643

>>11100612
Yes I’m sure that’s a fine way for Mr Michael Pollan with his millions in royalties and 400+ salary. Grassfed steak every day.

The problem is sustainability... supposedly there is no way for the masses of people (including me for example) to eat healthy and cheaply.

>> No.11100645

>>11100622
Vegetarianism should be distinguished from Veganism. There is little reason to be vegan afaik — someone can correct me — other than a belief that animal products are inherently unethical.

Lots of mainstream heart doctors seem to promote increased consumption of vegetables.

Though the carnivore crowd( lots of them doctors) believe that veggies are full of poisonous compounds.

>> No.11100646

>>11100582
eat tidepods

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>>11094886
>he hasn't figured out his own diet
>he listens to meme of the week nutritional recommendations

Nigga it's not that hard to figure out what food makes you feel like shit and what food gives you energy. Seriously the best thing you can do for yourself is figure out what foods work best with you.

>> No.11100713

>>11100643
Spend more on food if you want quality. In the 40's we used to spend 24% of our budget on food

Now it's 10%

Buy fresh vegetables is an investment in you. Scale up to organic and grass-fed when you have the income. Take a bullish stake in your own health

>> No.11102844

>>11094938
>>11094946
"Full nutrition" is such a rarity amongst diets and scholarly articles. It undermines associations / results.

Dieting is basically ~solved now (an exception being really specific amounts), which is suggestive of eternal youth – furthermore of a "repeatable, adulthood puberty" from VLC / prioritizing hypoglycemia, etc. (extremely low BF%, plausibly even stopping menstruation in girls; flexibility ..), for hormones.

PS: Saturated fats are of their appropriation; and dietary cholesterol is actually quite beneficial.

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>>11102844
PPS.

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>>11096636
>>11096683
The effects of phytoestrogens are still debated. A simple conclusion is that it actually drops estrogen, while simultaneously being much less potent.

Also, >>11102844

>> No.11102881

>>11096788
>High protein diets, etc.
Vague.

>Omega 3
.. Of which meat barely has any.

>B6 and dietary fiber.
Vague (and supplementable).

>Reduced demyelination.
A protein correlative.

>Keto.
Protein.

>Childhood development, specifically.
Protein and nutrients.

..

––

It's possible replacing benefits of meat with vegetarian options, even whey and casein .. plausibly for fewer hormones, and especially fewer calories (allowing much greater variety, enjoyability, etc.).

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bump

>> No.11103085

>>11100582
Eat what your great great grandparents ate and you can't go wrong.

>> No.11103355

>>11094886
>no health risk
>there's no problem then
do you literally just forgot about all the environmental problems it causes?

>> No.11103362

>>11094886
also :
CRIPPA, Alessio, LARSSON, Susanna C., DISCACCIATI, Andrea, et al. Red and processed meat consumption and risk of bladder cancer: a dose–response meta-analysis of epidemiological studies. European journal of nutrition, 2018, vol. 57, no 2, p. 689-701.

why do you link a stupid ass normie media? We're on /sci/ not /pol/

>> No.11103363

>>11102881
>No omega 3
Fish.

>> No.11103367

>>11103355
Tell it to India, they have have 30% of the world's cows and refuse to slaughter them. Fucking assholes.

>> No.11103369

>>11103367
a big part of the problem is actually killing and transforming the meat, so I'm pretty sure juste having cows isn't that much of a big deal

>> No.11103373

>>11103369
No. According to (((vegans))) cows being alive is the problem
https://timeforchange.org/are-cows-cause-of-global-warming-meat-methane-co2/

>> No.11103374

>>11103363
"It takes up to 18 years for the body to clear half of the dose of mercury from the body."

>> No.11103377

>>11103373
i don't really care about what antisemites or vegans think

>> No.11103427

>>11095923
Metamucil is a good source.

>> No.11103510

>>11103377
You're too dumb for sci.

>> No.11103532

>>11103510
you're too dumb for /sci/
I'm hear to discuss science, not politics

>> No.11103537

>>11103532
politics affects science

(((vegans))) produce a (((study))), which is sci-related

>> No.11103613

>>11094926
>muh research grant approval rate proves what is truth, by volume of peer-pee-viewed peepers..

>> No.11103977

>>11103369
the problem are cow farts
>>11103377
brainlet
>>11103374
who are you quoting

>> No.11104006

>>11103532
so you've read the journals and understand why the anti-meat studies have all been garbage.

>> No.11104010

>>11103374
faggot, you can't just make up shit on /sci/ and think it'll slip by, go back to /pol/
how long have you been vegan, just curious on how long it took you to become this retarded

for mercury, the half-life in the whole body has been observed to be within the range of 29 to 60 days, with an average of 42 days for inorganic mercury.

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I eat like my hunter gatherer European ancestors.
aka 60% meat the rest produce during spring to fall, while winter I eat 80-90% meat

this good or bad?

>> No.11104135

>>11103613
>fapmaster shitposter

>> No.11104137

>>11104127
depends. If it's processed meat, that's shit. If you're eating organ meats you're healthier than every vegetarian/vegan (not hard to do) and 99% of americans in general

>> No.11104138

>>11104127
you die early, very good

>> No.11104300

>>11104138
But if a hunter gatherer made it through childhood their average life span was 70 years.
>Hunter-gatherers do not experience short, nasty, and brutish lives as some earlier scholars have suggested (Vallois 1961). Instead, there appears to be a characteristic life span for Homo sapiens, in that on average, human bodies function well for about seven decades. These seven decades start with high infant mortality rates that rapidly decline through childhood, followed by a period in which mortality remains essentially the same to about 40 years. After this period, mortality rates rise steadily until around 70 years of age (Gurven and Kaplan 2007). Of course, mortality rates differ geographically and temporally, especially in the risks of violent deaths and disease. However, these differences are minimal when compared on a global scale, and the mortality...
https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-3-319-16999-6_2352-1


And as the name implies, they were hunter gatheres, meaning they spent all their life being active and trying to survive, a modern 70yo could barely walk up a set of stairs.

>> No.11104317

>>11099918
Not true when it's extremely abundant and you've yet to put a dent in it with human consumption (low population of humans too).

>> No.11104324

>>11099918
false

>> No.11104700

>>11099958
pod life would be comfy but bugs can fuck off

>> No.11104880

>>11104006
I've read meta-analysis and fixed my opinion on the scientific consensus : red and processed meat increase the risks of having a bladder cancer

gtfo with your journals

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You WILL eat the bugs, goyim, one way or another.

>> No.11105608

>>11100582
eat shit ;))

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>>11105608
based

>>11100582
you need to eat shit anon

>> No.11105644

>>11094886
I'm sure big agriculture had nothing to do with this. Look into blue zones. All areas with large numbers of centinarians eat predominantly plant based.

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>>11094886
Look, you faggot, if you make a new thread with just a screencap of some news article without linking any sources so I can be the usual typical autistic faggot and read it to point out the bullshit, I'm just going to write this angry post and close this tab in my browser, you insufferable trolling baiting piece of shit.

I'm fucking tired of digging this shit up on my own.

Go kill yourself and die of AIDS.

>REEEEEEE

>> No.11105809

>>11105733
this.

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>>11094938
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-bes/
>https://plagueofstrength.com/vegetarianism-and-veganism-are-as/
>http://mentalfloss.com/article/32042/corn-flakes-were-invented-part-anti-masturbation-crusade
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Battle_Creek_Sanitarium
>https://gizmodo.com/dr-kelloggs-15-most-absurd-medical-contraptions-5963269/amp
>https://thetab.com/uk/2017/02/16/vegetarians-unhealthy-mentally-disturbed-says-new-research-33067
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-war-on-coffee-and-common-sense-or/

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>>11094926
>>11094938
>>11100620
>http://www.diagnosisdiet.com/meat-and-cancer/
>http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2011/12/devil-in-feeding-trough-pge-response-to.html?m=1
>https://chriskresser.com/red-meat-cancer-again-will-it-ever-stop/
>http://www.mensfitness.com/nutrition/what-to-eat/meat-cancer-bacon-who-report-mens-fitness-health
>https://rawfoodsos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/minger_formal_response2.pdf
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/08/03/the-china-study-a-formal-analysis-and-response/
>https://deniseminger.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
>http://www.foodrenegade.com/the-china-study-discredited/
>https://deniseminger.com/the-china-study/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/the-curious-case-of-campbells-rats-does-protein-deficiency-prevent-cancer/
>https://www.westonaprice.org/our-blogs/taking-a-trip-down-memory-lane-fishing-for-our-good-friend-glutathione-in-the-waters-of-the-memory-hole-how-t-colin-campbell-helped-prove-that-protein-protects-us
>http://www.saragottfriedmd.com/does-meat-cause-cancer-revisiting-the-meat-igf-1-and-cancer-connection/
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/comments/2qxnro/red_meat_triggers_toxic_immune_reaction_which/cnai2od/
>http://caloriesproper.com/red-meat-wont-kill-you-it-will-make-you-stronger/

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>>11103355
>>11103369
>https://theconversation.com/ordering-the-vegetarian-meal-theres-more-animal-blood-on-your-hands-4659
>https://www.newsweek.com/giving-meat-wont-save-climate-opinion-1193358
>https://futurism.com/the-byte/lab-grown-meat-worse-environment
>https://slate.com/technology/2015/09/in-vitro-meat-probably-wont-save-the-planet-yet.html
>https://earther.gizmodo.com/well-dang-lab-grown-meat-might-bad-for-the-planet-too-1832783987
>https://nypost.com/2018/10/22/no-giving-up-burgers-wont-actually-save-the-planet/
>https://www.sciencealert.com/sorry-but-giving-up-on-meat-is-not-going-to-save-the-planet
>https://reason.com/2019/07/29/why-giving-up-meat-wont-have-much-of-an-effect-on-climate-change/
>http://www.beefmagazine.com/blog/4-facts-debunk-meat-horrible-article
>http://grist.org/sustainable-farming/farmer-responds-to-the-new-york-times-re-sustainable-meat/
>http://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-nicolette-hahn-niman-20141123-story.html
>https://theconversation.com/yes-eating-meat-affects-the-environment-but-cows-are-not-killing-the-climate-94968
>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/06/meat-production-veganism-deforestation
>https://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/how-much-meat-do-americans-eat-then-and-now-1792/
>>11104880
>>11106685

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>>11094926
>>11094938
>>11100620
>>11100582
>https://plagueofstrength.com/the-simplicity-of-dieting-it-really-is/
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3529694/#!po=57.9365
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2016/10/latest-study-shows-that-33-gkg-high.html
>http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/42/1/127
>https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-03/nlmc-nfi030112.php
>https://news.gsu.edu/2018/09/10/researchers-identify-molecule-with-anti-aging-effects-on-vascular-system-study-finds/
>https://breakingmuscle.com/healthy-eating/why-all-humans-need-to-eat-meat-for-health

>> No.11106710

>>11096809
>>11106678

>> No.11106716

>>11095508
You're fucking retarded

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>>11095759
>>11096567
>>11096877
>>11099259
>Animals store vitamin B12 in liver and muscle and some pass the vitamin into their eggs and milk; meat, liver, eggs and milk are therefore sources of the vitamin for other animals, including people.[5][7][25] For humans, the bioavailability from eggs is less than 9%, compared to 40% to 60% from fish, fowl and meat.[26] Insects are a source of B12 for animals (including other insects and humans).[25][27]
>Animal sources with a significant content of vitamin B12 (range among top 20 sources of 50 to 99 µg per 100 grams)[28] include clams, organ meats (especially liver) from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, mackerel, and crab meat.[4][5]
>There are no naturally occurring notable vegetable dietary sources of the vitamin
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12#Animal_sources
>https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/7-nutrients-you-cant-get-from-plants
>https://dailyhealthpost.com/4-brain-nutrients-found-only-in-meat-fish-and-eggs-not-plants/
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>>11106731

>> No.11106736

>>11100673
this is the highest iq post in this thread i guarantee it

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>>11106742

>> No.11106745

>>11103362
>>11106685

>> No.11106746

>>11096644
You diet and exercise together

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>>11094962
>You can't eat a caveman diet because cavemen lived like absolute shit.
>http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Meat+in+the+human+diet:+an+anthropological+perspective-a0169311689
>https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
>https://www.livescience.com/24875-meat-human-brain.html
>https://carta.anthropogeny.org/moca/topics/smalllarge-intestine-length-ratio
>https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/d0fe/b0019dc8017e499150bc453230018d5cd282.pdf
>https://www.mpg.de/12728073/neandertals-main-food-source-was-definitely-meat

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>>11106765

>> No.11106822

>>11095757
The authors of the meat=good study was funded by you-guessed-it

>> No.11107373

>>11106716
He's right in that biology/medicine suffer from the same problem economics does on a greater degree, they're much more complex than physics. Doesn't mean they're not science tho, they are

>> No.11107388

>>11106822
Give me a reason why meat must be bad for you. What's the cause? All nutritional studies just show correlation without any attempt at explaining the phenomenon. This is why nutritional science isn't a science, it's just statistical correlations taken at face value, that's why the results are always shifting. Nobody hazards to come up with an explanation and put it to the test

>> No.11107403

>>11095346
Makes sense. So baby boomers had it easy because everyone else had died in WW2.

>> No.11107410

>>11095369
It's just cuz you lost weight nigga. But I bet your micros are fucked up.

>> No.11107437

>>11094952
It's not a single report you dingus, doctors have been praising raw beef for a long time.

>> No.11107474

>>11102858
It drops estrogen because it has lower colesterol like all plant foods do. They also lower testosterone btw cuz that stuff all comes from cholesterol anyways.

>> No.11107548

>>11103977
>>11104010
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22It+takes+up+to+18+years+for+the+body+to+clear+half+of+the+dose+of+mercury+from+the+body.%22

>> No.11107551

>>11107474
Lull.

>> No.11107682

>>11107548
MEAT EATERS BTFO

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>>11102844
>PS: Saturated fats are of their appropriation; and dietary cholesterol is actually quite beneficial.
>Contrary to popular belief, consuming a higher amount of fat (about 35 per cent of energy) is associated with a lower risk of death compared to lower intakes. However, a diet high in carbohydrates (of more than 60 per cent of energy) is related to higher mortality, although not with the risk of cardiovascular disease.
>The research on dietary fats found that they are not associated with major cardiovascular disease, but higher fat consumption was associated with lower mortality; this was seen for all major types of fats (saturated fats, polyunsaturated fats and mono unsaturated fats), with saturated fats being associated with lower stroke risk. The researchers point out that, while this may appear surprising to some, these new results are consistent with several observational studies and randomized controlled trials conducted in Western countries during the last two decades.
>The large new study, when viewed in the context of most previous studies, questions the conventional beliefs about dietary fats and clinical outcomes, says Mahshid Dehghan, the lead author for the study and an investigator at PHRI.
>https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170829091027.htm
>https://authoritynutrition.com/it-aint-the-fat-people/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/top-8-reasons-not-to-fear-saturated-fats/
>https://authoritynutrition.com/saturated-fat-good-or-bad/
>https://chriskresser.com/the-diet-heart-myth-cholesterol-and-saturated-fat-are-not-the-enemy/
>http://www.uib.no/en/node/103172
>http://www.healthline.com/nutrition/5-studies-on-saturated-fat
>http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2017/03/31/bjsports-2016-097285
>http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.1.6291
>https://news.gsu.edu/2018/09/10/researchers-identify-molecule-with-anti-aging-effects-on-vascular-system-study-finds/

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>>11107716
>http://suppversity.blogspot.de/2014/05/bcfa-gut-health-immunity-cancer.html

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>>11095923
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/backbone-of-europe/F4E2FD1F6175BBF92AE49E9480AEB701
You can read the chapters with sci hub, or the summary in pic related. Not quite as clear cut as my impression was, but I hadn't read the source in depth. Gist is health was best post Roman empire/Justinian plague, declines continuously as increase starch/sugar use, black death helped reduce inequality.
Stop eating sugar.

>> No.11108278

>>11104317
holodomor

>> No.11108294

>>11096655
Hamburgers are bad because they're soaked in factory processed vegetable oil. Your roommate would have a lot of trouble getting fat on steaks and roast potatoes, but everything he ate was soaked in vegetable oils.

Most anti-red meat studies are based on poorfag meats like bacon fried in corn oil or the aforementioned hamburgers. Vegetable oils are cancer and ruin everything they touch; if people ate fried chicken anywhere near as often as they ate fried red meat, it'd give off the same misleading warnings on a statistical level.

>> No.11108299

>>11108294
(i.e. red meat warnings are fried in cancer oil warnings and apply to anything friend in cancer oil.)

>> No.11108628

>>11106691
>>11106700
>>11106685
>>>/pol/
here we discuss science please
stop linking normie non-scientific blog articles or whatever the shit are those sources.
Scientific published and peer-reviewed articles or GTFO

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>> No.11108665

>>11108294
i went to kfc the other day for the first time in many years, because i got a coupon in the mail. It was the greasiest most disgusting thing i've eaten in many years, and it gave me diarhea.

>> No.11108676 [DELETED] 

>>11108628
Not reading at all

>> No.11108696

>>11108628
>Not reading at all

>> No.11108702

>>11108696
i won't read your stupid bullshit normie articles based on single and clickbait articles.
Especially if the websites you're linking are fucking "beefmagazine" and other bobo shit

>> No.11109136

>>11108702
>i won't read
See>>11108696 again
>Especially if the websites you're linking are fucking "beefmagazine" and other bobo shit
It's not bobo shit just because scientific, well reasoned and well researched facts hurt you're indoctrinated feelings

>> No.11110484

>>11108665
>Nothing new
Everyone knows that KFC stuff is poisoned.

>> No.11110584

>>11106685
>https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2752328/unprocessed-red-meat-processed-meat-consumption-dietary-guideline-recommendations-from
>https://peakhuman.libsyn.com/dr-david-klurfeld-on-meat-not-causing-cancer-bogus-vegetarian-scientists-and-balanced-nutrition

>> No.11110629

>>11094938
Health impact from diet is extremely hard to prove. You need to follow thousands of people for dozens of years. And all the time you're assuming they are giving honest answers to your questions. Also health is affected by many other things, which you then have to correct for.

>> No.11110845

>>11095089
>you stupid nigger
whoa whoa whoa wtffff
u better be black!

>> No.11110855

>>11096732
based

>> No.11110885

>>11109136
>a normie article is scientific
try again loser
maybe think twice before droping high school

>> No.11112156

>>11107388
That's not fucking true, they do have good explanations, try to google "read meat heme iron cancer"

>> No.11112300

>>11094938
Well uh you see.. you see.. um.. This question is an anti-semetic dog whistle!!!!