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11066927 No.11066927 [Reply] [Original]

>Fell for the PhD meme
I thought I was gonna be an intellectual surrounded by intellectuals with the noble goal of advancing human knowledge. But nope, it's just a sick game where I have to suck everyone's dicks in order to survive

>> No.11066941

>>11066927
Welcome to adulthood

>> No.11066947

>>11066927
>He did it because he thought it was expected of him/doesn't know what a PhD is
Actually the meme is just you.

>> No.11067016

>>11066927
Good news, after 12 years of working like a beaten slave writing grants and articles, kissing the asses of everyone in your department, you MIGHT get tenure.

>> No.11067058

>>11066927
it would be nice if they didn’t allow chinese to come and cheat their asses off the whole time

>> No.11067065

Even if you don't get tenure or even complete your PhD just stick around and actually contribute, it's not about money/prestige/renown but advancing knowledge regardless of your situation as Hawking said.

>> No.11067076

>>11067058
>if they didn’t allow chinese to come and cheat their asses off the whole time

Cheating is a Chinese custom and without it you would be denying them a part of their cultural heritage.

>> No.11067119

>>11067065
Should add that those things are nice to have and will come with time if you are capable.

>> No.11067206

>>11067076
>>11067058
this. Going to a UC school made me loathe the chinese.

>> No.11067216

the worst part is feeling so rushed. everyone's looking for a paper that will make their career. everyone's racing to be the first to publish something that sets a record, which will be supplanted in a week or two by another equally useless model. creating something that is both novel and useful is incidental and rare to the typical work that a compsci phd student performs. it's so cheap. the work feels cheap. even now, when i'm working on something that i feel is actually publishable, it feels somewhat cheap. somewhat obvious.

>> No.11067222

>>11067216

and who knows? maybe it'll get scooped before i can even get it out there. that's what makes it so cheap. it doesn't take any great insight to think of these things. when the state of the art reaches a certain point, certain things become obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together, and then everyone rushes to publish. you'll see nearly identical papers at the same conference.

>> No.11067240

>>11067065
Very easy for Hawking to say that when he contributed so greatly.

>> No.11067249

>>11067216
>it feels somewhat cheap. somewhat obvious.

Yup. Give up on the idea that you will create something new and original that greatly advances CS.

Write a ton of papers, each with what looks like a completely obvious advance from the one before. It is better to have 14 papers each with one new idea, than one paper with 14 new ideas. Also you will need to network and start writing "communal" papers, you will be author 3 of 16.

>> No.11067262

>>11067249

it's kind of neat, and i feel that it's worth publishing. it's something i think would be worth others time to read.

but honestly i'd rather just chew away at some esoteric problem for a few years and not have to worry about piranhas biting my ass the whole time or beating me to the punch.

>> No.11067271

>>11067262
>it's something i think would be worth others time to read.

because i'm not writing for a reviewer. i'm writing for other researchers. if it's not worth their time to read, it's certainly not something i'd want to publish.

>> No.11067362

In my country there's no jobs for a guy with a bachelors degree. So I have to get a masters. If I get a masters I might as well get a PhD too right?

>> No.11067388 [DELETED] 

>>11067076

to the chinese, virtue is doing what others do. following a prescribed example is how they think they should behave. this is the behavior they reward and the behavior they expect to be rewarded for. i don't mean this in the sense that they're "collectivist" or always follow the rules. they simply imitate one another to a greater degree than most other people.

>> No.11067394 [DELETED] 

>>11067388

and i've met a couple that don't, but you can tell this stresses them out. it's a strain on them.

>> No.11067398

>>11067362
>I might as well get a PhD too right?

Yes, better to have than not.

>> No.11067461

>>11066941
This.
Out of highschool I had a job as an orderly in a hospital and after dealing with doctors and surgeons and realizing they were functionally retarded outside of their specialty was like finding out the easter bunny was real.