What type of data do neurones store?

[Anonymous No.11061987]

There’s billions of neurones and apparently they put reality together piece by piece to create a thought.

What are the individual pieces? If you think of each in a sense as a building block of a thought.

[Anonymous No.11062148]

>>11061987
Each neurons connects to thousands of other neurons through synapses.
When a combination of synapses activate under a stimuli it generates a "thought".
The information is stored under the form of patterns of synapses, one neuron can be part of multiple "thoughts" as it's the combination which matters.

Think it as a labyrinth where the data would be paths or as an image in which each synapse would be a pixel.

That's the current theory at least, there are others which suppose bits of memories could be actually stored somewhere in the neurons or even other cells, under which form? We don't know.

[Anonymous No.11063188]

>>11061987
It appears that neurons store an analog state, a value with infinite possibilities.

Just imagine an individual piece like an arrow that can turn 360 degrees. So there are never 'exact' states, and small rotations can lead to big differences, since synapses do influence one another. It is hard to grasp these 'tipping points' and their intensity of impact. Worse even, the same channel is also used for storing memories.

[Anonymous No.11063514]

I have a question:

If you took a brain and isolated it from the environment, what would it's neurons do? If a brain had no input at all, would there be a casual chain to form thoughts from?

"Where am I?" is a phrase that comes to mind, but this is just a taught response that is related to an emotional (hormonal) state. I am confused as to my situation or experience so I will vocalize it...

I'm the absense of language, the brain would likely just feel the biological baseline of confusion, or perhaps merely existence? But confusion related to what experience?


If this was a new brain with no experience, then what would the neurons actually "do" if there were nothing to respond to?

Is the brain even useful "by itself"?

Aren't we all just cause and effect machines?

[Anonymous No.11063524]

>>11063514
Not answering but you mention without knowing it the old Sapir-Worf hypothesis about the language faculty and the languages we speak affecting our way of thinking or seeing reality. Fun linguistic theory to amuse non linguists.

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[Anonymous No.11063526]

>>11063514
Isn't that how brains developed in the first place? Just random bunch of cells with organelles that somehow come together to form consciousness whatever that may so be? Like a worm for example. What does it think all day? I don't know, but it does.

[Anonymous No.11063540]

>>11063188
So how does a neuron access the exact same path? How do you know you're ever accessing the same path? How does this play in with muscle memory? How can shooting a basketball into a hoop 100 times a day help?

[Anonymous No.11063546]

>>11061987
Same as computer. Abstraction of the real thing with something pattern to uniquely identify it.

[Anonymous No.11063549]

>>11063526
we have the full connectome for some worms m8

[Anonymous No.11063555]

>>11063540
Training. The "pathways" for throwing the basketball get trained and refined over time. The exact mechanism of back propagation is unknown but there are really good theories. Just look up latest studies.

This review article summarises recently proposed theories on how neural circuits in the brain could approximate the error back-propagation algorithm used by artificial neural networks. Computational models implementing these theories achieve learning as efficient as artificial neural networks, but they use simple synaptic plasticity rules based on activity of presynaptic and postsynaptic neurons. The models have similarities, such as including both feedforward and feedback connections, allowing information about error to propagate throughout the network. Furthermore, they incorporate experimental evidence on neural connectivity, responses, and plasticity. These models provide insights on how brain networks might be organised such that modification of synaptic weights on multiple levels of cortical hierarchy leads to improved performance on tasks.

[Anonymous No.11063563]

This work has revealed striking similarities between remembering the past and imagining or simulating the future, including the finding that a common brain network underlies both memory and imagination. Here we discuss a number of key points that have emerged during recent years, focusing in particular on the importance of distinguishing between temporal and non-temporal factors in analyses of memory and imagination, the nature of differences between remembering the past and imagining the future, the identification of component processes that comprise the default network supporting memory-based simulations, and the finding that this network can couple flexibly with other networks to support complex goal-directed simulations. This growing area of research has broadened our conception of memory by highlighting the many ways in which memory supports adaptive functioning.

TLDR: Memory is complex and the human brain is multi-plex and uses a lot of re-usability and optimization. Meaning memory and imagination use the same systems. Think of it like a system that has components A, B, C, D, E, F. Memory uses A, C,D, E Then imagination uses B, C, D, E. Lots of overlap depending on context.

[Solivagus (Polynomial Philosop(...) No.11063581]

>>11061987
An inverse 4-d pain map with repulsor nodes to deter retraction.

[Anonymous No.11063859]

>>11063555
Wait, this is interesting. I've never thought about it until now but the brain is very similar to artificial neural networks as opposed to how artificial neural networks are similar to the brain. We don't necessarily control the background processes of the brain, so it's effectively the same as the artificial neural network. It just does whatever and forms answers.

[Anonymous No.11065195]

Good topic

[Anonymous No.11065270]

>>11061987
They store absolutely nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.11065310]

>>11062148
What is this theory called? Also how does psychology play into this? There are theories for forgetting and even parts to memory from a psychological point of view like encoding, storage and retrieval. Such as a retrieval cue is used to retrieve a memory. Biologically that sounds kind of strange like a neuron holding the location of another neuron where the information actually is. Sort of reminds me of pointers and addresses. Then there’s the theories of forgetting like how memories can somehow blur together and become difficult to differentiate known as interference and trace decay how as time goes on memory dwindles. The first theory seems to suggest that memories that are similar are stored in similar locations but the relational connections get tangled? Could be possible if the same neurons contain multiple pieces of information and the signal isn’t the exact right charge or so? Then there’s how memories decay which makes sense since neurons break down due to selective pruning by other cells or just naturally through underuse. However, the process of consolidation seems to suggest that it’s always ongoing as there would be previous information and current information. If that’s the case, how can memory decay? Dreams also seem to suggest that even memories from long ago can be turned back on and get back tracked as some odd form of review automatically by the brain for whatever reason. And if each different synapses activates under a stimuli, how can they get tangled when there would have to be a uniquely different pattern of synapses? Unless physical properties aren’t necessarily true and the exact same pattern of synapses can contain variances in data.

[Anonymous No.11066591]

>>11063563
Interesting

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