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Is cryonics the best way to avoid permanent death?

>> No.11050958

>>11050936
Yes. Which means there isn't a way.

>> No.11051093

>>11050936
Has a person ever been woken up?

>> No.11051223

>>11050936
What incentive would a future civilization have to revive you?

>> No.11051230

>>11051223
It's what there company model is based on.

>> No.11051245

>>11050936
Cryonics is a meme.

>> No.11051251

>>11050936
There is no evidence that cryonics avoids permanent death rather than causing it.

>> No.11051266

>>11050936
You need to find the green mushrooms if you want extra life.

>> No.11051271

>>11050936
First you must revive a cryogenically frozen human. Only then can you avoid permadeath.

>> No.11051292

>>11050936
I have an idea that just might work:

Rupture every single cell membrane in a human body and PRESTO!

FOREVER LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.11051293

>>11051292
>Rupture every single cell membrane in a human body
Not true, just the important ones.

>> No.11051315

With current (and foreseeable) cryogenic technology, you are 100% not going to be revived.

>> No.11051318

>>11051315
/thread

>> No.11051345

>>11051230
there?


uuhhhhhhhhhhhh


...................where????

>> No.11051352

>cryogenics

Why freeze cells? A person in near freezing water can be resuscitated hours after being in the water. Why not bring a person to just above freezing, then oxygenate their blood so they stay in a low metabolic state. How long could a person stay in this state?

>> No.11051389

>>11051223
Curiosity? A sense of moral obligation? A true post-scarcity society would have no issue spending the time and resources required to bring a person back.

>> No.11051391

>>11051352
I think there's a lot of ongoing research on this topic right now.

>> No.11051410

>>11051223
You'd be in debt to their company so they can milk you for woolongs once you're revived.

>> No.11051425

>>11051315
>>11051318
your mom and loving dad who was so involved with your life created a dipshit together


and that dipshit is you

>> No.11051482
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>>11050936
Reaching longevity escape velocity is a better way to avoid permanent death.

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>>11050936
The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

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>>11050936
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

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>>11050936
Special relativity may be one way to avoid permanent death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-UG-Xx6maY

>> No.11051501

>>11051425
Not an argument.

>> No.11051506

>>11051499
when will this guy come back

>> No.11051516

>>11051506
Considering that he's planning on unironically killing himself, probably never.