dont study stem

[Anonymous No.11048308]

don't study stem. they are pushing stem to drive down wages. studying something like law/economics has much better returns.

working conditions of stem professions,especially engineering is horrible. pay is incredibly low for starting pay, and even after 10 years of experience you barely make more than a 20 year old plumber.


there is no stem shortage. the "stem shortage" for companies is not being able to find an engineer with 15+ years of experience for janitor pay.


all my friends who studied accounting/finance make more than i while all my engineering friends did unpaid internships for months only to get shit jobs
you have been warned. drop out immediately. maybe the only exception is CS

[Anonymous No.11048312]

don't study stem. physics and mechanical engineering double major here. stem shortage is a meme. you will be severely underpaid due to no overtime payments(salary agreements). work is high stress because of unreasonable deadlines, so you have to pull overtime to finish stuff and you don't get paid for those. if you can't finish it you get bullied & fired and replaced.

there is no shortage of stem people either. the only shortage is for 5+ year experienced STEM people who wouldn't work for scraps. if you want a real salary good luck getting a job.

study business,finance,law or medicine instead of STEM. all of them will pay better unless you are really a dumbass. people often compare average salaries of a "business" major and an "engineer" but if you are smart enough to be an "average" engineer than you'll be in top 10% of business majors anyway. most people seem to overlook that.

i think STEM has the lowest ROI for any degree. people compare 4 years to 4 years as in investment(as if studying STEM and non STEM requires the same effort) but in STEM you grind your ass to get your degree while non-STEM people do fuckall and enjoy their lives and at the end of the day the salary difference(speaking for us) is around 20000~ / yr.(max). but the amount of stress and autism you endure is worth way more than 20000$.

dont fucking study stem. its horrible.

[Anonymous No.11048315]

>>11048308
>money
lmao @ ur monkey brain

[Anonymous No.11048324]

>>11048315
whats wrong with valuing you time and skillset as an engineer? You think working for free pays rent and puts food on the table?

[Anonymous No.11048328]

It makes no sense man. Why is the more difficult thing underpaid?

[Anonymous No.11048331]

>>11048324
i value myself and my skills and would never waste them for a business degree
>>11048328
sticking you dick through a cheerio is difficult too but good luck finding someone to pay you a living for it

[Anonymous No.11048332]

>>11048308
>>11048312
>Law
Law is even more over saturated, the only people who make money from that are the ones that go to Tier 1 schools. Anywhere else and you're just an ambulance chaser

[Anonymous No.11048337]

>>11048328
1. engineers are easily replaceable(thats the thing that makes it low pay). people often say this is not true, sure its harder to replace than a worker but much easier to replace than even a HR manager you can trust. because engineering requires no trust or loyalty.

2. supply & demand. there are too many new graduates, plus there is the H1B. all indians and chinese arestudying engineering. you only need few engineers to run most stuff, you need workers.

3. people will just work for less pay because of "le science" and its "le fun". thats how tesla/spacex underpays everyone. they are "taking le humanity" forward.

4. horrible work life balance/pay conditions happen because engineers are willing to comprimise. try making a normal worker work in factory without overtime and he will drop immediately. engineers are just corporate suckers.

[Anonymous No.11048349]

I mean finance/accounting is basically STEM. They are at least both very math heavy. If you can get into a top tier school then finance might be a good bet, but if you can't then accounting or actuarial work are pretty nice jobs. But at that pay level you aren't going to be making any more than the engineers.

You're best bet is probably a mathematics degree because everyone finds it impressive, and then try to learn python.

[Anonymous No.11048358]

>>11048308
>work stem for .gov
what now?

[Anonymous No.11048365]

>>11048349

>I mean finance/accounting is basically STEM.
cope

>You're best bet is probably a mathematics degree because everyone finds it impressive, and then try to learn python.

nobody will hire a math major as accountant i can assure you that

[Anonymous No.11048413]

>>11048324
I'm a physics major. I'm pursuing my field not for money, but for the pursuit of knowledge. An engiefag wouldn't understand, you can go back to playing with your toys now.

[Anonymous No.11048422]

>>11048413
COPE

[Anonymous No.11048427]

>>11048422
Nice argument.
How did it feel losing all the time in debate club while superior majors fucked your crush?

[Anonymous No.11048428]

>>11048337
>because engineering requires no trust or loyalty.

>engineer building
>it collapses

[Anonymous No.11048436]

>>11048413
based
>>11048422
cringe

[Anonymous No.11048445]

>>11048413
It's an admirable sentiment for an individual to have, but in aggregate it causes the depressesion STEM wages (point 3 of >>11048337) and is unsustainable as a organizing principle for society (for the same basic reason that led capitalism to win the Cold War over communism).

[Anonymous No.11048447]

>>11048445
Good points.
Phys approved.

[Anonymous No.11048448]

>>11048328
It's all supply and demand.

[Anonymous No.11048462]

>>11048448
normally companies want to pay the lowest salary possible while workers want the highest

since demand can be predicted(reasonably atleast for job market), they just want to flood the supply to underpay

they also brainwash stemtards with "le science" propaganda so they doN't bargain and accept whatever the company offers.

[Anonymous No.11048555]

>>11048308
>Don't get good at Math, it's useless
Yeah sure, mastering what most people refer to as "the hardest part of college" is just a terrible idea.
Why would anybody master a field that will let you excel in pretty much any degree path?

[Anonymous No.11048567]

>>11048328
Dude that is a massive massive meme. Yes, you need to be able to adapt to job markets. But, trust me it's been like 50 fucking years of people saying there will be shortage. Nope, jobs are just getting slightly more demanding, but I'd bet anybody on this board could keep up.
>>11048413
This is actually just coping with defeatism because he thinks you can't bag a 100k salary after 7-10 years of focused effort. (ie 20-30).
I live in a midsize east coast city, 100k is like 150k in commiefornia salary for anybody wondering. Basically upper 25% of salary range. The climb up to that 100k salary is going to be pretty chill, aswell. I'll take 50,000 starting that is fucking 22.00 an hour lmao.

>muh learing for me and not to contribute to society for status, money and also pursuing my passion
>why not both fucktard?

[Anonymous No.11048572]

>>11048312
mechanical engineer here
works on my machine lmao, have you tried not being a brainlet?

[Anonymous No.11048578]

>>11048567
you dont contribute to humanity

[Anonymous No.11048580]

>>11048572
Dude, I swear that people on here just read popsci and watch youtube videos. Go out in the real world and realize how much of a load of shit the internet has become lmao.

[Anonymous No.11048587]

>>11048580
I had a tough time finding my first job because of my location but after I widened my search radius and landed my first job, I’ve been riding the gravy train
2 years working and I’m already making 80k in a small city

[Anonymous No.11048594]

>>11048413
Based, engineers deserve the wage of a Wendy's cashier since they want to hang out with the real scientists while studying a meme major that is just a basic application of a particular branch of an actual hard science for actually smart people.

[Anonymous No.11048597]

>>11048578
>Muh research doesn't pay well
You ever ask your professor about their experiences in the private sector? Most people with PHD's and Doctorates definitely pursue money, they shouldn't be ashamed either.

It's really a great thing that people who are contributing to space flight, electric cars, etc. are being paid so well. I really admire those people.

Everybody wants a decent place, decent car, most people learn a lot from high level challenging jobs (I know this to be especially true in IT, can't say for other fields).

Inter-weaving between collegiate and private sector is really common. Very few PHD's are actually just chilling and do research 99% of the time.

>>11048587
There's a reason this dude is getting a big share of bread.

Most large salaries are justified. The only people who aren't justified in having large sums of money are trust fund kids, etc. They don't turn out well anyways.

[Anonymous No.11048636]

>>11048594
Please see: >>11048594

What is this /leftypol/? Saying people deserve less money than what was dictated by the people? It's cute, but very transparent, anon.

[Anonymous No.11048657]

>>11048636
Reminder that you don’t get what you’re worth, you get what you negotiate

[Anonymous No.11048665]

>>11048428
>Engineer loses job and license

[Anonymous No.11048771]

>>11048308
I studied math and CS, and get fat grants and good money for my research. Your inability to see past the paychecks is what blocks you from the big numbers - it was never about the money. I’ve never had to go hungry, even through grad school

[Anonymous No.11048803]

>>11048308

Honestly dude I kind of look down on anybody who goes into a career just for money. I really do think people should follow their passions, you'll be a lot happier in the long run. Now I'm fortunate because my passion happened to be STEM, but i know a lot of people who went into it for the money, and despite making pretty decent salaries they're all miserable because, surprise surprise, you spend most of your waking life at work.

Having said that I'll lay my cards on the table:

>double major
>starting salary for me was about 60k
>now, about 8 years into my career I make ~120k
>recently turned down a 145k job because i like what i'm doing and don't want to move
>they've upped their offer so now i'm re-thinking it

Bottom line - follow your passions. You'll work harder if you like what you're doing and you'll be happier.

[Anonymous No.11049352]

People need to realize that junior engineers are the ones getting their wages suppressed the hardest. When u got 0 years of experience, how much leverage do you think you have if you try to negotiate the offer you're given? That leverage is extremely small, cus you bring nothing to the table. A sad reality.

>>11048803
you got your head really far up your arse, eh?
>f-follow your passions

lmao fuck outta here with your wishy-washy nonsense.

[Anonymous No.11049366]

my family is rich so I can study what ever the fuck I want

[Anonymous No.11049642]

>>11049352
follow your passions, but change your passions to the most proffitable career path

[Anonymous No.11049666]

OP is a dumbass lefty who thinks that econ/finance are some kind of rich person magic. He posts this all the time. He just can't cope that there are some engineers who don't get promoted and stay in the same spot for many years and he might be one of them

https://www.indeed.com/cmp/JPMorgan-Chase/salaries?location=US%2FNY%2FNew+York

As you can see, the jobs in JPMorgan you can get with a CS, Engineering, or Mathematics degree generally pay just as well as those you could get with a finance degree if not better.

[Anonymous No.11049672]

>>11048413
lol

[Anonymous No.11049884]

>>11048413
You're part of the problem

[Anonymous No.11049890]

>>11049884
In what way?

[Anonymous No.11049894]

>this thread

[Anonymous No.11049901]

>>11049884
Nah, the problem are the faggots like OP that bloat up the market just looking for easy shekels and then whine like bitches when the promise of rainbows, butterflies and endless pots of gold turns out to not be true, as anyone with common sense would expect. People who are in it for the fun of it usually stand out in the market and end up being better off anyways so in the long run they aren't quite as miserable and don't have to fight like vultures over a rotting corpse like the vast majority of new engies looking for low paying jobs.