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Plant food will end the world?
The absolute ignorance of these useful idiots~

The root chain of their evidence is a manufactured lie.
The IPCC has never yet used PARTICLE FORCING in their models.
Clouds (correctly) account for ~95% of greenhouse gases [as water vapor] in our atmosphere.
Cloud nucleation is controlled by Cosmic Rays [Part of the 'Particle forcing' data].
The Sun controls our entire climate without remorse about what we do, what we eat, how we farm, or what fuels we use.
Only when you deliberately remove the Natural, are you left with Human Cause...
If the graph you're looking at doesn't include water vapor, or if the model being used doesn't include the complete 'particle forcing' data set it's called a CHERRY PICKED LIE.

Their models are akin to using the physics of Minecraft to predict real world values.
That's how blatantly wrong they are.
I proudly repeat.
Their models are akin to using the physics of Minecraft to predict real world values.
That's how blatantly wrong they are.

Their total input from the Sun is a 1% variance change in total radiance. [Ignoring 'particle forcing' and the effects it has on 95% of Earths' greenhouse gases]
This is the shallow physics of a video game.
Their model of the Sun is a simple skybox and they want your children to starve in a cold home because of it.
Read that again.
The root chain of their evidence is a manufactured lie.
A consensus of willful idiots proves nothing!

Useful idiots pandering to the ignorant, for the sole purpose of supporting Ch_nAs' insideous plan to undermine the worlds' economies.
Perhaps you're more influenced by Ch_nA, than the world is by our breath~
IT'S A HOAX
YOU'RE BEING LIED TO
Only the few blind accept it, even fewer have the arrogence to lie through their teeth about it.

The rest of us know better~
Quick video summary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYoOcaqCzxo [Open]

>> No.11044806

Need to Catch Up? 3 Key Films:
COSMIC DISASTER: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_zfMyzXqfI [Open]
CLIMATE FORCING: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEWoPzaDmOA [Open]
PLASMA COSMOLOGY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4pWZGBpWP0 [Open]

TL;DW
Plasma Cosmology Made Easy
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G48V-Fmh4uc [Open]

>> No.11044820
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>>11044766
Why are you comparing models which predict global average temperature, land sea blended. to an observation data set consisting of only weather balloons in the tropics? You aren't trying to hide something are you?

>> No.11044827

>cloud nucleation from Cosmic rays
WHACK
>https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/JCLI-D-11-00306.1

>An analysis of the first decade of monthly time-scale MODIS cloud anomalies has shown that neither variations in TSI emissions or the GCR flux are dominantly responsible for cloud variability at global or local (geographic) scales at any altitude level. Although correlation analysis suggests that some statistically significant correlations between cloud variability and TSI/GCR variations are present, further investigation of these relationships revealed that such associations either broke down during the data period or were likely connected to internal climate variability and not to solar activity.

>https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/grl.50996

>Long‐term analysis of 13 years of MISR data reveals no statistically significant correlations between the CR flux and global albedo or globally averaged cloud height on monthly or interannual timescales. Additionally, there are no statistically significant lagged correlations, and no evidence for any regional correlations.

>http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/cosmoclimatology-tired-old-arguments-in-new-clothes/

further reading here.

>> No.11044831

>>11044820
>4 models vs over 100
Your models don't even account for cosmic ray particle forcing

>> No.11044852
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11044852

If there is a real threat of rising oceans then why do the banks pushing cap-and-trade forget all about it when it comes to giving people 30-year mortgages on coastal properties?

>> No.11044855

>>11044831
>>11044827
Debunked pseudoscience with no significant real world effects

oh and learn to read a graph retard that's 4 observational data sets vs the CMIP3 Ensemble, you do know what a multi model ensemble is right?

>> No.11044859

>>11044852
The bank doesn't care, they get paid no matter what.

>> No.11044860

>>11044859
No they don't, the people who lost their home can't pay

>> No.11044862

>>11044852
They don't have the luxury of thinking 30 years ahead. They have an obligation to their shareholders to make money (or at least look as if they are making money) every quarter.
Besides, 30 years from now the current c level will all have retired and it won't be their problem.

>> No.11044870

>>11044860
What are insured assets? The, insurer isn't going to refuse a paycheck until the water 5 minutes away.

>> No.11044873

>>11044827
Still missing particle forcing data sets~
My sides hurt too much, please stop xD

>> No.11044876

Their total input from the Sun is a 1% variance change in total radiance. [Ignoring 'particle forcing' and the effects it has on 95% of Earths' greenhouse gases]
This is the shallow physics of a video game.
Their model of the Sun is a simple skybox and they want your children to starve in a cold home because of it.
Read that again.

Their total input from the Sun is a 1% variance change in total radiance. [Ignoring 'particle forcing' and the effects it has on 95% of Earths' greenhouse gases]
This is the shallow physics of a video game.
Their model of the Sun is a simple skybox and they want your children to starve in a cold home because of it.
Read that again.

Their total input from the Sun is a 1% variance change in total radiance. [Ignoring 'particle forcing' and the effects it has on 95% of Earths' greenhouse gases]
This is the shallow physics of a video game.
Their model of the Sun is a simple skybox and they want your children to starve in a cold home because of it.
Read that again~

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>>11044766

>> No.11044899

>>11044897
Excluding particle forcing~

>> No.11044902

>>11044897
Um, sweetie... He posted youtube videos to can't win against that argument with data

>> No.11044908

>>11044899
Aerosol forcing are quite well understood, as they remain quite stable unless massive disruption occurs like another Krakatoa, their impact is quite small as forcings are quite stable.

>> No.11044912

>>11044908
>The IPCC has never yet used PARTICLE FORCING in their models.
Clouds (correctly) account for ~95% of greenhouse gases [as water vapor] in our atmosphere.
Cloud nucleation is controlled by Cosmic Rays [Part of the 'Particle forcing' data].
The Sun controls our entire climate without remorse about what we do, what we eat, how we farm, or what fuels we use.
Only when you deliberately remove the Natural, are you left with Human Cause...
If the graph you're looking at doesn't include water vapor, or if the model being used doesn't include the complete 'particle forcing' data set it's called a CHERRY PICKED LIE.

>> No.11044916

>>11044827
Based WHACKer

>> No.11044918

climate change is real poltards, just fucking admit you don't know shit and are just parroting republicans bought out by the oil industry

>> No.11044921

>>11044916
Their total input from the Sun is a 1% variance change in total radiance. [Ignoring 'particle forcing' and the effects it has on 95% of Earths' greenhouse gases]
This is the shallow physics of a video game.
Their model of the Sun is a simple skybox and they want your children to starve in a cold home because of it.
Read that again.

>> No.11044922

>>11044912
>Cloud nucleation is controlled by Cosmic Rays [Part of the 'Particle forcing' data].
No its not that's completely wrong cosmic rays have virtually no efffect >>11044827

>> No.11044925

>>11044918
(((Carbon tax)))

>> No.11044927

>>11044921
>no source
Fuck off back to /pol/ and don't ever reply to one of my posts ever again

>> No.11044936

>>11044912
>If the graph you're looking at doesn't include water vapor

water vapor is very important as it's a very powerful positive feedback, which amplifies the effects of CO2, of course it's taken into account.

>> No.11044938

>>11044925
>carbon pricing bad
https://youtu.be/6fV6eeckxTs

>> No.11045020
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>>11044820
Get FUCKED

>> No.11045030

>>11044925
Cringe

>> No.11045031

>>11045020
you don't know what el Nino is do you?

>> No.11045036

>>11045031
Localised hot weather in South america

>> No.11045053

>>11045020
Still no response to this

>> No.11045059
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>>11045036
it's felt across the pacific

>> No.11045063

>>11045036
Retard

>> No.11045067

>>11045059
>>11045063
So? The temperature is lower than predicted

>> No.11045602

>the same old and worn arguments resurface
>the neglect in addressing old criticisms of the hypothesis
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/cosmoclimatology-tired-old-arguments-in-new-clothes/

>> No.11045866

The permafrost is gonna thaw soon and put biblical amounts of methane in the air, which will increase the global temperature by about 30 F.

Fun times ahead. :)

>> No.11045873

>>11045866
thanks science deniers

>> No.11045888

>>11045866
IMAGINE
THE
SMELLE

>> No.11045897

>>11045873
It's too late now. The temperature's going up 2 or 3 degrees over the next few decades and there's nothing anyone can do about it. That's gonna thaw the permafrost. Then the temperature will go up another 30.

>> No.11045909

>>11045897
Heh, there won't be any food shortages to kill me if I kill myself first, climate change btfo.

>> No.11045922

>>11044860
>the people who lost their home can't pay
They knew poor people couldn't pay for their mortgages and it didn't stop banks from creating the 2007 recession.

>> No.11045925

>>11044860
Think of the banks :(

>> No.11045945

>>11045888
*SNIFF*
*SNIFFFF
*SSSSNNNNNIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*

>> No.11045980

>>11045897
>here's nothing anyone can do about it
Actually, I take that back. Nuclear Winter could work. WWIII might be our only hope.

>> No.11045990

>>11045980
Isn't nuclear winter a disproved meme?

>> No.11045995

>>11044860
AHAHAHAHAHAH good one bro
the old maxim goes:
give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank
give a man a bank, and he can rob the world

>> No.11046002

>>11045888
>2030
>siberia starts BRAAAPPPPing

>> No.11046013

>>11045990
Blocking out the sun would cool things down. It's a fact.

I'm sorta hoping for an asteroid strike. Something that's just big enough to put enough dust in the air for awhile.

>> No.11046023

>>11046013
>>Blocking out the sun would cool things down. It's a fact.
>Would nuclear blasts produce enough dust to significantly affect sky?
>How long until the dust is washed down?
>If the dust stays in atmosphere at what height it will stay?
>Would the dust absorb solar energy or reflect it?
>How would the absorbed heat behave?
See? Your facts mean nothing.

>> No.11046026

>>11045866
Post Earth-braps
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULqhLhpECPw

>> No.11046030
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>>11044918
No one doesn't believe it's real, those people are just wondering why only 1st worlders have to do shit while 3rd worlders don't. Almost as if it's a globohomo plan.

>> No.11046048

>>11046030
Because 3rd worlders are either undeveloped dummies or have to do shit as well.

>> No.11046069

>>11046030
>No one doesn't believe it's real
Plenty of people, at least a few years back, were claiming that the whole thing was a hoax. Then, when they were undeniably proven wrong, they shifted to the next point of contention
>it's real but it's not human caused
Then when that was debunked they moved on to the next point of contention
>it's real and human caused but us first-worlders have no responsibility to do anything about it
Do you see the track record here?

>> No.11046113

>>11045053
>>11045067
El nino and La nina are short term localized differences in where the planet's heat is distributed, it's pointless to model them, and instead models model the average between them. Saying a model failed because it didn't predict el nino is like saying a model failed because my house was colder this year than last year, utterly ignorant.

>> No.11046255

>>11044870
The insurer wont pay out for floods

>> No.11046280

>>11044766
I mean that particular model (cosmic rays forcing being the major culprit for global warming) might be considered wrong by (((consensus))) but at least it gives me space for doubt. I think its worse to just give into the panic the media (and questionable individuals) are enforcing.

>> No.11046284

>>11044852
Thats not the question. The question is why are the voicers of AGW buying properties on areas that will be flooded.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/24/sea-level-rise-president-obama-just-bought-a-beachside-property/

>> No.11046292

>>11044908
>aerosol forcing is well understood
>doesn't understand how cosmic rays favor the production of more aerosols by solar wind protons entering the atmosphere
>At the same time ignores we are at a solar minimum

>> No.11046301

>>11046292
>>11044827
>doesn't understand how cosmic rays favor the production of more aerosols by solar wind protons entering the atmosphere

This retarded shit already got whacked you dumbass. >>11044827

>> No.11046349

>>11046280
>but at least it gives me space for doubt
Good to know that you care more about your personal feelings than the truth. Now go be american somewhere else.

>> No.11046396

>>11045922

Actually it did.

Banks can't collect money from bankruptcy by law.

So Freddie and Fanny were created to make the racist and classist banks give out loans by assuming the risk and being the back stop if people can't pay. And since housing prices will only go up (sarcasm) it's a safe move because homeowners will always be able to at least foreclose on their homes and at least be able to pay off their original loan with the new higher prices.

And so the house of cards was built.

>> No.11046415

>>11046284
>voicers of AGW buying properties on areas that will be flooded

Are you fucking kidding me? It's one fucking person, and it happens to be one with no money problems whatsoever. An ex-prez can buy and sell however the fuck they want. Why wouldn't he buy a nice beach house? He can fucking afford it. This is amogst the dumbest shit I've read in a while .. and I've read some fucking dumb-ass crap in my time.

>> No.11046581

>>11046415
>Are you fucking kidding me?
>and I've read some fucking dumb-ass crap in my time.
lmao calm down junior. Put your phone away, you gotta rest up for school tomorrow.

>> No.11046587

>>11046030
>No one doesn't believe it's real
Yes, they do. People that don't believe everything they read on r/science. Go back.
>Then, when they were undeniably proven wrong
Things that never happened.

>> No.11046664

>>11044921
>they

>> No.11046718

>>11046284
"Beachside" does not necessarily mean the house imply that the elevation is at sea level, and if you can drop $15m on a house you can sure as hell shore it up with flood defenses.

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>>11046587
>durrrr ur a gullible redditor!
>believes WUWT

>> No.11046747

>>11044820
>why are you only focusing on this one test that shows you have terminal cancer when the other ones say you're fine? Are you trying to hide something?

>> No.11046765

Bit off topic, but why literally every time I google a contrarian researcher on climate change he's reported to receive shitton of money from private donors? Being anti-AGW shill unironically seems like a very lucrative career option.

>> No.11046778

>>11046765
Same reason doctors got money from the tobacco industry to downplay its effects. Corporations protecting their interests as usual. In some cases (heartland institute) the same people that shilled cigarettes are now shilling oil industry climate-denial propaganda

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>>11044766
Good job OP. I havent had time to fully look into nucleation and cosmic rays but keep hearing about it from military intelligence insiders, former and servong, as well as other experts.
What I have always known was historical eras of wamrth in the past have existed and alarmists like to focus on increased rate even though there is no definitive method AT ALL to designate a proper healthy rate of warming modern day. It's BULLSHIT. The fact green agenda profits plenty while causing MORE pollution while having political motives for control should be a big sign that its a load of crap.

https://onenewsnow.com/science-tech/2019/08/03/former-noaa-scientist-from-climate-change-alarmist-to-denier

https://podcastone.com/episode/A-former-NASA-scientist-exposes-the-Democrats-climate-change-hysteria

>> No.11046924

>>11046893
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Spencer_(scientist)
>In the book The Evolution Crisis, Spencer wrote, "I finally became convinced that the theory of creation actually had a much better scientific basis than the theory of evolution, for the creation model was actually better able to explain the physical and biological complexity in the world. [...] Science has startled us with its many discoveries and advances, but it has hit a brick wall in its attempt to rid itself of the need for a creator and designer."

Yes, it totally sounds like if his..intelectual development was for the better and should be taken seriously.

>> No.11046929

Post more call-out kino
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL21601B57A0ED5500

>> No.11046991

>>11046747
Ironically your metaphor only works for the opposite, what you just did in the OP is showed us Xrays of our feet to prove there's no brain cancer. Now why are you hiding the other xrays?

>> No.11046998

No you fucking idiot. No fucking shit water is the major greenhouse gas , but apparently you are so fucktarded that you don't realise that unlike carbon dioxide as well as other assorted anthropogenic greenhouse gases water is not being dumped into the atmosphere at a precipitous rate like how black guys cum into your mom and girlfriend's pussy. No fucking shit nature is the major source of heat energy of the Earth, the entire fucking point of global warming is that humans are doing stuff that makes the atmosphere keep the heat better.

>> No.11047004

Debunked here ;)

https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming-advanced.htm

https://skepticalscience.com/cern-cloud-proves-cosmic-rays-causing-global-warming-intermediate.htm

https://skepticalscience.com/clouds-negative-feedback-intermediate.htm

>> No.11047260

>>11046991
The key aspect I knew one of you alarmists wouldn't understand and subsequently use that misunderstanding to misdirect the metaphor is that a lack of warming is the negative or bad outcome from your point of view. You want the data to be consistent,much like anyone would want there to be no cancer in any test. The analogy works perfectly you're just misdirecting it.

In your twisted version you should logically be saying a positive cancer test for your feet does not matter for head cancer so we should not make any comparisons at all...... which is very foolish on so many levels. First any positive cancer test is bad, just like any dataset that does not confirm to an alarmist rising temperature agenda is bad. Second a positive cancer test in your feet could easily mean theres cancer elsewhere in your body (via full body radiation dose or spreadable cancer for instance) and you should reevaluate every test you've done, just like one dataset being outside of predictions isgreat cause to reevaluate the other datasets regarding climate.

Lastly you're ignorantly pretending these datasets are like Mars vs venus and should have no correlation whatsoever. Completely idiotic. PV cell energy output calculations actually use air temperatures on the ground as well as atmospheric temps to get accurate energy calculations, which I did just this week.. They are very much related.

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>>11044918
You are confusing climate change, which is a natural phenomenon that has been happening since forever and that no one denies, with the anthropogenic climate change hypothesis, as of today there is no proof that the hypothesis is correct.

>> No.11047373

>>11047367
Hockey stick has been reproduced many times, not just by Mann.
https://youtu.be/CY4Yecsx_-s
>there is no proof that the hypothesis is correct
https://youtu.be/ugwqXKHLrGk

>> No.11047397 [DELETED] 

>>11047367
>climate change, which is a natural phenomenon that has been happening since forever
Why are you fucking lunatics so insistent on believing in bullshit pseudo science like this?
All you need to know is that The Market decides.

>> No.11047400

>>11047367
>climate change, which is a natural phenomenon that has been happening since forever
Why is the lunatic fringe enviroweenie contingent insistent on believing in bullshit pseudo science like this?
All you need to know is that The Market decides.

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>>11047260
I'm honestly in awe of the hoops you're having to jump through to justify your cherypicked data and outright lies. You compared models which predict GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMP to ONLY mid troposphere equatorial datasets. Why did you only choose those data sets? because if you compare apples to apples your narrative falls apart and you're left with only the cold harsh reality. Something you can't deal with.

>> No.11047412

>>11047367
Your image is idiotic. It's comparing global temperature to European temperature as if they're the same. And it's not even showing European temperature since the thermometer record shows Europe has warmed at least 1 degree.

>> No.11047417

>>11046765
>a very lucrative career option.
Unfortunately in this day in age, most lucrative career options involve demeaning yourself and compromising your morals in some way. It helps to be stupid enough to not know you're doing it.

>> No.11047465

>>11047417
Just think, if idiots like OP had the dedication to get a tangentially related degree, they could be making bank working for the heartland institute.

>> No.11047490

>>11047373
>youtube
>>>/reddit/

>> No.11047496

>>11047490
considering the entire thread was started by spamming youtube links I'm not sure why you're even here

>> No.11048260

>>11046581
>hahaha, I'll call him a kid, that will prove my point!

>> No.11048261

>>11047411
>You compared models which predict GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMP to ONLY mid troposphere equatorial datasets. Why did you only choose those data sets
Because they all should be in unison or else something is seriously wrong with either the models or one of the datasets. Do you honestly not comprehend that? These are not unrelated closed systems as you all keep desperately implying therefore there is absolutely no reason they cannot be directly compared.

Accusing me of lying (show where I did even once) and cherry picking a graph using the forcing adjusted interval (to make it look more accurate after the fact >>11045020) instead of the original is abjectly pathetic of you. You're comparing apples to apples after you rejected the apples you dont like.

>> No.11048279

>>11048261
I regret to inform you that air currents exist.

>> No.11048303

Fun fact: if you are under the age of 34 and live in Australia you have experienced exactly 1 (one) month of below average temperature in your lifetime!

>> No.11048320

>>11048261
So let me get this straight, you believe that the planet's heat is equally distributed at all times? And if one part of the earth is colder than normal than the entire planet must be colder than normal?

>> No.11048574

>>11048261
>Because they all should be in unison or else something is seriously wrong
Are you legitimately retarded?

>> No.11048734

>>11046069
Shut your fucking faggot mouth. It hasn't been proven and can't be proven you nigger piece of shit. People already said ice cores and other samples show warming cycles of the past with varying heating rates. There is no way to disprove heating now is just natural. There isn't.
>>buh muh heating rate!!
Shut the fuck up. There is no way to tell heating rate within comparable margin of past warm periods hundreds of years ago to see what is a so called right one now. Get your head out of your fucking ass already.

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>>11048734
Looks at the CO2 levels in the atmosphere in the last two glacial/interglacial cycles. In the ramping up of the decay of the ice sheets the CO2 rose about 50-60 ppm per 300 years and never went up above 300 ppm. We have raised it by 100 ppm in less than 100. Same with temperature.

>> No.11048817

>>11048734
>People already said ice cores and other samples show warming cycles of the past with varying heating rates.

Ice cores show warming cycles that occur over thousands of years, and terminate at peaks similar to the inter glacial temp we've had for the past 10k years. Ice cores show nothing which even approaches current rates of change.

That's also ignoring basic physics, if you significantly slow the rate at which heat escapes into space, while heat entering the system remains constant (like all our instruments show) it's utterly impossible for the heat of the system to not increase, and guess what, empirical observation show shows that heat is escaping into space more slowly as a direct result of increased GHG concentrations, of which humans are entirely responsible for.

You have no ground to stand on so shut the fuck up if you won't educate yourself.

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>>11048752
Correlation does not equal causation. Co2 is not causing heating or glacial decay. In fact if it were, the astronomical amount of co2 right now would have surely caused melting the fuck out of al glaciers by now. Just like Gore was informed most of Florida's coast should be under water right now. FACT is alarmist data never really 'proves' anything and is just speculation but you fags want to scare everyone into believing it doing green agenda profiiteers a big favor without knowing it because you're so gullible and retarded. No thanks but I'll believe the data without numerous agendas and fear mongering behind it.
Alarmist data does not isn't always accurate or agreed upon internally anyways. By now there should be no glaciers and the world should be hotter by at least 5 degrees everywhere the way you all are making it seem. Definitely not the case and we are in the start of a solar minimum and poles are shifting. That is hardly brought up especially in regards to glacial activity. Or the fact the mini ice age ending around 1850 is the same time glaciers started to slowly recede anyway and as the years went on in this warm period they melted more. Who would've thought? It's not a big deal.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/relay.nationalgeographic.com/proxy/distribution/public/amp/environment/2019/03/one-part-of-greenland-ice-growing

>> No.11048942

>>11048902
causation equals causation you utter retard>>11048817

> In fact if it were, the astronomical amount of co2 right now would have surely caused melting the fuck out of al glaciers by now.

based on what? do you have magic climate sensitivity figures no one else has?
The rest of your post is baseless conjecture with no basis in reality.

>> No.11048943

>>11044766
Fuck niggers

>> No.11048995

>>11048817
YOU have no leg to stand on you stupid fucking nigger!
Ice cores have no use to determine rates huh? Then why do some climatologists use them to argue that there IS increased rate you fucking cocksucking alarmist nerd!?
Awwww little Timmy remembers the lie told to kids in grade school. Citing data as empirical does not mean that it is when other scientists dispute it cocksucker. Co2 is the argued main contributer by humans in greenhouse effect but that has been shown to have no correlation time AND TIME AGAIN FAGGOT!!
http://euanmearns.com/the-vostok-ice-core-temperature-co2-and-ch4/
>>These natural geochemical cycles makes it inevitable that CO2 and CH4 will correlate with temperature. It is therefore totally invalid to use this relationship as evidence for CO2 forcing of climate, especially since during the onset of glaciations, there is no correlation at all.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11659-climate-myths-ice-cores-show-co2-increases-lag-behind-temperature-rises-disproving-the-link-to-global-warming/

GET THE FUUUCK OUTTA HEEEEEEERRRRE!!!!!! FAAAAG!!!

>> No.11049012

>>11048943
Unology

>> No.11049026

>>11044766
The effect of water vapor is included in climate modeling. It is positive feedback caused by the rising temperatures caused by CO2.

>> No.11049031

>>11046030
>Dur there’s a giant international conspiracy of gay Jews

Please see a doctor.

>> No.11049034

>>11046284
>Obama bought a place that might have water creeping up on it after he’s dead of old age

Shocker

>> No.11049042

>>11048942
>>11048942
FUCK OFF FAGGOT YOU LOSE!
>>durrrrrrrr I know ill just say causation equals causation like it really has striking meaning durrrrr!!!!

Its based on the fact thats all you climate niggers argument!
>>duuurrr co2 rise bad!!! No more beaches! Florida will be under water in 2000! Super rise equals super bad then.
Why the fuck are you arguing then if you don't even have an expectation of what is supposed to happen? You're the idiot pretending to know that we are hotter than we should be now because flase statistics are telling you it is. So you can believe them saying we are heating at an increased rate correlated with astronomic co2 levels but only using deliberation to save face because you really don't know how bad it should be. The same way they don't because it's not true. Classic alarmist fag logic.

>> No.11049048

>>11048902
>>11048995
Your homosexual frustration is off the charts

>> No.11049055

>>11049048
Feel better faggot? Are you done speaking up for gays because someone saying fag made you mad? Fuck off pussy crybaby.

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>>11048995
>my source is a blog
Truly top notch arguments

>> No.11049057

>>11049042
It’s really obvious you’re trolling calm it down

>> No.11049060

>>11049057
Why do i get a vibe of you talking with the gayest flamer accent that needs their ass beat?

>> No.11049064

Is this an unironic Facebook boomer? I can't tell these days

>> No.11049067

>>11049056
Now you're jutst being gay for the sake of being a gay flamer in a thread unrelated to what you're on about. Thats weird and offputting. Good job at making gays look bad stupid flamer fag. That's why no one except other flamers like you. Fucking kys.

>> No.11049071

>>11049056
>>eeeeww!! Bloooog! I don't care ifth the inthformation isth right!
Idiot

>> No.11049072

>>11049060
If you want to troll, you should be less obvious about it.

Tone it down, unless you like being an obvious troll.
Don’t bite this bait, guys.

>> No.11049073

>>11044927

Stop this shit. It's like you idiots want every thread to become about /pol/

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>>11049067
You're the one spewing incessant homosexual insults like a lunatic while referencing ms paint blogs. Argue with facts of fuck off.

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11049080

Always wrong.

>> No.11049082

>>11049076
This image has brought me here to comment on it. Tiny waist. Giant back. Perfect ass. That is all.

>> No.11049084

>>11049080
why do right wing people feel so confident about their "facts" when they get them from blogs like turning point usa?

>> No.11049086

>>11049072
>>dyarghhh facts equol troll dyarghhhhh
Retard. You mad cuz the facts are atacked against you I know. This is all you can resort to now. I appreciate your desperation.

>> No.11049088

>>11049086
"atacked" isn't even a word

>> No.11049090

>>11049086
>You mad cuz the facts are atacked against you

This made me laugh thanks

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I don't even know why I continue bothering. I just don't understand why people just lie.
Please keep linking to blogs though.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10581

>> No.11049095

>>11049076
More disingenous FAGGOTRY. Stop acting like a faggot, then move on to post gay themed pics, all while ignoring the facts that have been posted..... FAG!!!
I'm sure you just act like...
>> no fuck that Im gonna double down with all my faggot pride and keep doing it yaaaaaasssss!!!
Kek. Oh yeah all whole ignoring scientific articles that shatter your points.
Homo got BTFO!!

>> No.11049103

>>11049088
Yeah no shit retard. You really going to jump on a typo? Sure go ahead, let your pathetic desperation be known.
And yes, the facts are stacked against you.

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>>11049095
I've posted peer reviewed articles and all you have responded is with your shitty gay obsessed insults. You should really come out of the closet grandpa ;)

>> No.11049116

>>11049094
I dont keep posting blogs you fucking cocksucker. Holy fuck one blog link with actual scientific study and the prissy little faggot deems it unworthy like a little pretentious bitch.
Here pussy, this will soothe your vagina stinging and please your need for fully owned website sources like a cunt.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses

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>> No.11049133

>>11049117
Good post. It proves glacial melt was already happening at the end of the little ice age.

>> No.11049140

>>11049116
>talking about ARCTIC SEA ICE
>Brings up ANTARCTIC LAND ICE, which has been widely know to have been spared of much of temperature anomalies for now
Sea ice in Antarctica have been declining too
https://www.pnas.org/content/116/29/14414

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11049149

>all the autistic /pol/fag incels ITT seething

>> No.11049151

>>11049106
Do you want me to fuck your ass or something because it seems like you're just begging now. No thanks. I already posted peer reviewed articles for another idiot but I'm not a FAG to prance around pretending confidently that the info is more valid because of it like some fucking programmed npc. What the fuck are you doing here? You already lost. So badly you have to resort to waddling in your own gayness like it's an attack when you're just humiliating your weird pathetic self and making the gay community look bad doing it. Kek and winking like a retard doing it oblivious to how much of a worthless cullable dumbass you look like.

>> No.11049156

>>11049151
>Do you want me to fuck your ass
Since you're suggesting it...

>> No.11049160

>>11049140
Well if you want to split hairs my main stance is that ice is still forming when all opposing arguments would say there should be no growth because of human caused warming. That warming I believe is not caused by us and glacial melt had started at the end of the little ice age.

>> No.11049161

>>11049084

Both that picture and your post are idiotic.

>> No.11049162

>>11044766
explain rising ocean temperature and declining ph conspiracyfag
hint: it’s carbon linked

>> No.11049166

>>11049160
>ice is still forming
Of course it is, but at lowering rates, and Antarctica is know to be more isolated from anthropogenic warming, even though we are observing sharp declines in sea ice in Antarctica now (PNAS Paper I linked).
The Arctic ice sheet is much more vulnerable and as sea ice continues to decline the ocean can soak up more heat.
>That warming I believe is not caused by us and glacial melt had started at the end of the little ice age
Based on what? There's plenty of evidence posted itt that shows otherwise

>> No.11049179

>>11049166
To expand. Not only that, but much of the CO2 that is captured by the ocean is done so on places of cold Atlantic deep water formation. If the thermohaline circulation weakens significantly, it hinders the ability of the ocean to take up CO2

>> No.11049185

>>11048995
>Ice cores have no use to determine rates huh? Then why do some climatologists use them to argue that there IS increased rate you fucking cocksucking alarmist nerd!?

Ice cores are very useful to determine rates, it's exactly why we know modern warming is completely unprecedented can you not read or something?

>CO2 lags temp
Common misconception when you have retards who only look at antarctic ice cores
During a normal glacial cycle, milankovitch cycles cause warming in the antarctic which increases temperatures which release greenhouse gasses in a positive feedback loop which begins the inter glacial. CO2 only lags temp in the antarctic but your retarded propaganda blog won't tell you that.
>https://www.nature.com/articles/nature10915

>> No.11049187

>>11049166
What biota are dependent on sea ice?

>> No.11049191

>>11044766

Let's say it is real for the sake of discussion. Can anyone see a realistic scenario that we get our shit together enough to actually reverse the trend in the Foreseeable future?
Given the enormity of the process and the time humans have been pumping co2 into the atmosphere it feels to me like even going completely green tomorrow it would still potentially take decades to stop the trend. >>11044766

>> No.11049193

>>11049187
We're mostly worried about the planets albedo plummeting and rising sea levels.

>> No.11049199

>>11049162
Are you saying you're a conspriacy fag, because aligning with one end of an argument does not equal conspiracy. Im not op but it can be attributed to many things that aren't co2, something already been proven to have no significance in climate warming. As far as acidification that may more than likely be due to co2 but co2 is also released by water so we have a chicken and egg scenario. Co2 was high thousands of years ago naturally so it may very well be a pattern of the earth. Ok then, work to do.

>> No.11049205

>>11049199
to say that anthropogenic carbon emission since the industrial revolution isn’t significant is retarded, I don’t even think that carbon is overall a big deal compared to other pollution (cl, estrogenics, plastic) but what other mechanisms explain the increase in temp?

>> No.11049207

>>11049199
>something already been proven to have no significance in climate warming
Why do people keep repeating the same bullshit even though the evidence is always posted? How are you so dense?

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>>11045866
Sooner than many think, crop yields will get hit big time in the 2030s because of droughts and wildfires

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11049291

worst thing that could happen is the death of like 75% of humans and that's not even the worst probable natural disaster.
a bacterial/viral outbreak, a solar storm, an earthquake, a meteor, etc all can actually do far more damage and there are even inevitable events like an ice age that can destroy most of humanity.
nature is constantly changing and humans are no exceptions.

>> No.11049326

>muh Al Gore though!
Al Gore is not a climate scientist. Actual predictions made by actual climate scientists backed up with actual climate data have been very accurate so far.
https://youtu.be/ugwqXKHLrGk

>> No.11049339

>>11049291
>a bacterial/viral outbreak, a solar storm, an earthquake, a meteor
None of those can with any serious probablity wipe out humanity within the timescale in which global warming is a threat.

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>>11049214
PUT YOOUURR RADAR ON SPESLSSSLEEEERRRRD

>> No.11049367

>>11049359
Impressive, did you quote that from your PhD?

>> No.11049391

How do idiots deal with the fact that you literally test the greenhouse effects of various gases in a lab

>> No.11049394

>>11049291
>solar storm
Oh boy just wait till you learn about the fucking magnetosphere
We've even been upgrading our older electrical grids to survive this kind of problem

>> No.11049398

My only consolation is that the exponential rate of sea level rise will ruin the houses of rich morons who live on the coast.

>> No.11049425

>>11045888
>>11049214
>>11045980

funny you mention that, it would only take roughly one hundred 15kilo ton sized nuclear bombs dropped on urban areas to put us into a nuclear winter for 10 or so years. im all for it tbqh. the fallout would be managable imo or at the worst, an acceptable sacrifice. we dont eve need to kill anyone, just stragetically detonate the bombs in areas that will create enough "smoke" to blanket the sky. if thats the ultimate goal however then we may not even need to use nukes but it would be pretty efficient.

>> No.11049437

Someone tell me about Marine Cloud Brightening

>> No.11049440

>>11049207
>people keep repeating the same bullshit
it's due to conspiritardation

>> No.11049581

>>11049425
what the fuck

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>>11049581

>NOOO YOU CANT JUST DETONATE 100 SMALL NUCLEAR WEAPONS IN URBAN AREAS TO SAVE THE HUMAN RACE

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>>11049425
>American would rather nuke themselves into nuclear winter than to eat bit less beef and drive cars bit less

>> No.11049622

>>11049034
>dead of old age means 20 to 30 years tops
>alarmist predictions say that there's only 12 years left
pick one

>> No.11049649

>>>/x/

>> No.11049703

>>11049207
HEY YOU FUCKING NIGGER I ALREADY POSTED SCIENTIFIC STUDY SHOWING SUCH FINDINGS. IF YOU WANT TO FIGHT ABOUT IT TELL ME WHERE YOU ARE SO I CAN DISLODGE YOUR HEAD FROM YOUR ASS WITH A GOOD BEATING FAGGOT

>> No.11049718

>>11049214
Fuck droughts and wilddires jackass. Intense rains will cause flooding and cosmic ray neuculized smog is going to block the sun and fuck crops. This is what military intel geo scientists know and keep hush hush but insiders who want it known have shared. The weather's gonna be extremely fuckin bad.

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>>11049031
A (((psychiatrist))) that'll put me on meds to shut me up and keep having me be a sedated good goy? Yeah, nice try Dr. Kripplestein.

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>>11049603
Aaaaaand that's where the suspicion comes in. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children
https://greatist.com/health/eating-bugs-sustainable-protein-122112
Articles like these are clearly showing not the efforts to actually save the environment, but rather to undermine 1st world countries.
I bet while the poor suckers have to eat roaches and crickets, Rich Jews end up getting to eat actual meat.

>> No.11049946

>>11049703
Your bullshit already go WHACKED so shut the fuck up.
>>11049185

>> No.11049978

>>11049733
>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/12/want-to-fight-climate-change-have-fewer-children
What's wrong with that? Overpopulation is a big problem. Take for example Chinese and their fertility control, it surely helped a lot with pollution.
>https://greatist.com/health/eating-bugs-sustainable-protein-122112
Sounds OK, but needs more study on impact of such diet.

>but rather to undermine 1st world countries
Cold war era geography doesn't really work here. It undermise USA which is populated by soulless bugmen whose lifes circulate around consumption, which is controlled by industrial lobby undermining any enviromentalist efforts and fighting endless wars to control global oil supply. However it provides comparative advantage to Europe which has the political capability to push forward more high-tech, ecological alternatives to conventional production. If Americans weren't so disgusting, climate policing would be considered a White Man's plot, because it does strangle developing economies and blocks out the industrial trajectory through which Europeans achieved their current prosperity.

>> No.11049980

>>11044918
I don’t understand how national socialists fall for the oil jews... their people should be the highest priority, instead saving a few bucks and hoping climate change is not real seems more important to them.

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>>11044766
Climate change? Not real.

>> No.11050014

>>11049978
The article is clearly targeting whites.

>> No.11050031

>>11050014
Nah.

>> No.11050071

>>11049980
Well the average IQ on /pol/ is like 70 so it really shouldn't come as a surprise.

>> No.11050121

>>11049703
>he keeps ignoring the posted evidence
>he keeps shouting about gays
Take your meds

>> No.11050126

>>11050071
You looked at /lgbt/, not /pol/.

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>>11050031
http://tapnewswire.com/2015/10/six-jewish-companies-control-96-of-the-worlds-media/
Yeah.

>> No.11050164

>>11047412
The medieval warm period happened globally so it doesn't matter.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/02/12/more-evidence-that-the-medieval-warming-period-was-global-not-regional/

>> No.11050193

>>11047373
If it the Hockey stick has been reproduced many times and is actually correct then why does michael mann refuse to publicly share the data and methodology by which he constructed the Hockey Stick graph even if it meant that he would lose the court case and now has to pay millions in court costs.

https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2019-8-26-michael-mann-hockey-stick-update-now-definitively-proven-to-be-fraud%3fformat=amp

>> No.11050230

>>11050193
Michael Mann is not the only source of the hockey stick. Off the top of my head there's the Marcott reconstruction plus the PAGES
2K effort which collect many different proxies that go to produce those graphs. You can download all those databases for yourself btw.
http://pastglobalchanges.org/data/databases
https://www.nature.com/articles/sdata201788

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>>11050230
Forgot my image

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>>11050164
>The medieval warm period happened globally
>Africa and Arabia are global
All you have to do to show it's global is show global temperature. But all you can do is cut the data up and cherrypick.

>so it doesn't matter.
>it doesn't matter that my data is made up and doesn't reflect reality
So you aren't going to post that image again right?

>> No.11050320

>>11050193
>If it the Hockey stick has been reproduced many times and is actually correct then why does michael mann refuse to publicly share the data and methodology by which he constructed the Hockey Stick graph
I know, why does he refuse to publicize these links? It's shameful.

Data: ftp://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/pub/MBH98

Methodology: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v430/n6995/suppinfo/nature02478.html

ftp://holocene.evsc.virginia.edu/pub/MANNETAL98

Source codes for algorithm: http://www.ucar.edu/ccr/ammann/millennium/CODES_MBH.html

>> No.11050322

>>11050164
I don't know what this blog is even trying to say.
The MWP has been recognized in many many proxy reconstructions, with the caveat that the magnitude of the variability was amplified in the Northern hemisphere.
The study that they cite says basically the same thing that there are places where it was cooler in the MWP and places that were warmer, and how hard it is to interpret proxy reconstructions due to dating uncertainty.
There's also some inconsistencies in how the authors determined a year zero or "coretop'
>A key difference in well and palaeoclimate data series is the y axis which is typically defined as depth in wells and time in climate curves. As a workaround, the depth category has been conveniently utilized in this study as a time axis. Climate data series have been prepared as “years B.P.” (“yr Before Present,” i.e., years before 1950) and loaded into the software as “depth in meters below sea level.” This ensures that values increase steadily along the y axis downward, a base requirement for using the well correlation software. Representation of years C.E./B.C.E. was achieved by setting the “ground level” in the software to 1,950 m and by plotting “true vertical depth subsea”. This essentially defines the theoretical year “0 C.E.” as reference level, from which values increase into both directions (years C.E. = “elevation above sea level,” years B.C.E. = “depth below sea level”). In this study, only the C.E. years were required. In all plots, data are shown for the last 1,500 years where available in order to visualize the MCA in a multicentennial context.
This seems strange because many proxies are slow accumulating so the core top ages are not necessarily modern. To apply a core top age of all the proxies they use to a single common age is not good practice.
>Note that this study is fully unrelated to the first author's employment in the hydrocarbon sector and was neither commissioned nor funded by the energy industry.
OwO What's this?

>> No.11050356

>>11050320
Anon he uses blogs by lawyers. Those are iron clad, and reliable sources of information

>> No.11050361

>>11050126
Nah definitely /pol/ LGBT is 90% neurotic trannies from /g/ with high IQs but zero ability to survive in the real world.

>> No.11050797

>>11049622
It's 12 years until we hit the 1.5 degree milestone, not until the end of the world.

>> No.11050824

>>11048734
Jesus Christ you're angry. But anyway, it can be proven to be anthropogenic.
>>11044897

>> No.11050835

>>11050322
>Note that this study is fully unrelated to the first author's employment in the hydrocarbon sector and was neither commissioned nor funded by the energy industry.
Every fucking time. These oil shills will be the first to hang once everything goes to shit. Utter scum.

>> No.11050850

>>11049603

i think we're past the point of that saving us

>> No.11050852

>>11049733

who cares if rich jews eat meat? meat is bad for you and humans are biologically not omnivorous

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>>11050852
>humans are biologically not omnivorous

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>>11050862

indeed we're not. we're frugivores who became starchivores in the Paleolithic era.

>> No.11050878

>>11050852
>meat is bad for you
Stop shilling veganism, you and every single vegan you know will eventually come back to meat in a couple of years time.

>> No.11050879

>>11050876
https://www.livescience.com/23671-eating-meat-made-us-human.html
Were frugivores who developed higher brain functions thanks to cooked meat

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>>11050879

Nope, we developed higher brain functions by cooking starches and legumes.

Worth pointing out that its cooking in general that probably made us this way.


>>11050878

not an argument and ive been vegan for 11 years.

https://www.drcarney.com/blog/entry/dr-mcdougall-says-humans-are-starchivores

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/magazine/09starch.html

>> No.11050890

>>11050876
Frugivores can and do eat meat. The example in your image (a chimp) does in fact naturally consume meat. Also your image lacks some pretty important things if you were trying to make an honest comparison, such as the presence of a caecum.

>> No.11050891

>>11049398
These people have a lot of savings, which they can use freely to consume whatever resources they need to rebuild - the price of the same resources you need to survive will increase. Market worshippers are also hoping for this. They never met any consumerism that they didn't like.

>> No.11050892

>>11050878
>>11050879

meat consumption doesnt cause heart disease and type 2 diabetes in omnivores but it does in humans, hence we are not omnivores. humans will eat anything, we even drink our own piss, eat our own shit and drink the milk from another mammal intended for its young.

Meat increases all-cause mortality: Nurses health study cohort https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196

AARP cohort https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19307518

American Heart Association Presidential advisory http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/06/15/CIR.0000000000000510

AO Cohort https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2057469?access_num=2057469&link_type=MED&dopt=Abstract

Meat raises cholesterol (heart disease risk) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469

Meat increases heme iron stores (cancer risk) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24243555

Meat and nitrate (cancer risk); AARP cohort https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28487287

Meat consumption associated with obesity https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19308071 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19559132

Meat raises igf-1 levels (cancer risk) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743036/pdf/ukmss-27731.pdf

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433724

Meat contains mutagens/carcinogens (cancer risk) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15199546

Meat (SFA) induce inflammatory markers towards metabolic syndrome https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11278967/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19056664/

Vegan Studies:

Many credible physicians recommend Whole-food plant-based diets (WFPB). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

All the major dietetics and health organizations in the world agree that vegan and vegetarian diets can be healthy https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/wiki/dieteticorgs

Physicians nutrition Update:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

College of family physicians of Canada:

http://www.cfp.ca/content/63/10/744?etoc

>> No.11050897

>>11050890

As per usual carnist just ignore all the other evidence provided, cherry pick and pull the 'GOTCHA' moment.

Whole-food plant-based diets are the only diets shown to reverse heart disease:

Dr. Richard Fleming showing progression with low-carb diet and reversal with WFPB

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1110832

Dr. Dean Ornish reversing heart disease with a WFPB diet

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9863851

Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn Jr reversing heart disease with a WFPB diet

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25198208

Vegans have the highest life expectancy ever recorded https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434797

Cancer:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23169929

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22121108

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11743810

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4135519/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18789600

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22342103

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15955547

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980957

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3081176

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22867847

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21422422

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12588089

Diabetes:

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Diabetes/wireStory?id=2244647

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19386029/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19351712

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18481955

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23509418

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16596361

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15983191

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23509418

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24149445

>> No.11050900

>>11050892
>>11050890

Heart Disease:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/108/22/2757.full.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7019459

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1312295/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15172426

Osteoporosis:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25352269

American Dietetics Association Position on veganism:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864

Longest Living Population:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434797

Low Carbohydrate Diets and mortality:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20820038

Plant foods have a complete Amino Acid profile: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/25/e197.full

Benefits of a vegan diet:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4245565/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4583329/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844163/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/

meat eaters are on the wrong side of history. im not even an "ethical vegan", i just read the data and accept the facts. meat consumption causes chronic diseases in humans, that's a fact.

>> No.11050905

>>11050888
>agriculture is 10000 years old
>evidence of human speech and tribal settlements predates that
At least try instead randomly posting your copypasted sites that you havent even read beyond the tittle.

>> No.11050909

>>11050897
The evidence you provided was exactly one image so I'm not sure what you expected me to respond to. Anyway I'm not reading your shit copypasta.

>> No.11050913
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11050913

>>11049080
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj1G9gqhkYA

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2017/sea-ice-extent-sinks-to-record-lows-at-both-poles

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/08/190815130854.htm

>> No.11050920

>>11050892
>>11050897
>>11050900
>if post lots of studies which I haven't read at all that have been debunked or do not have conclusive evidence since it doesn't do variable isolation and don't apply Hill's criteria I will prove them wrong.
Go back

>> No.11051331

>>11044766
>Ch_nA
Is there a reason you don't just write "China"?

>> No.11051747

>>11049622
I don’t know who you’re citing for your claim that we have “twelve years tops”, but I know it isn’t a scientific source.

Please try again.

>> No.11051756

>>11050878
>Unfalsifiable claims of prophecy

A new tactic, huh?