Mars colonization is a Retarded

[Anonymous No.11030453]

The future of humanity (Europeans only) , is on titan.

As is, with some metabolic engineering humans could breathe on titan without terraforming or oxygen through anaerobic respiration of fructose and hydrogenation of resultant co2, and exhaling methane. We would have aleo have sick orange coloured blood from the chloro-carbonyl-bis(tri phenylphosphine)-iridium blood making us able to breathe in both hydrogen environments and oxygen environments.

[Anonymous No.11030463]

interesting Titan geo facts

-In general, Titan is an icy shell surrounding a liquid interior sea.
-Craters are 1% of the surface area. Most craters are at low latitudes.
-Linear dunes compose 18% of the surface area. These dunes are made up of porous organics.
-There are a number of theories as to the creation of these large (100 meter high) dunes. One is that, similar to Earth, coriolis forces sent particulates westward across the equatorial regions, which drives dune buildup.
-The largest surface feature is Xanadu, composing 14% of the surface. It is a 4,500 km wide mountainous area, possibly the remains of an ancient impact. Xanadu is the oldest surface feature on Titan, and is extremely radar-bright. It has 2-9x higher crater density than Titan average.
-Titan has stable standing liquid (methane/ethane) on its surface, and an active hydrologic cycle.
-Lakes compose 1.5% of the surface, with the three largest lakes being comparable in size to the great lakes in North America.
-Titan’s lakes are potentially stratified, with ethane sinking below the methane.

[Anonymous No.11030465]

>>11030463
-Titan’s small lakes typically interact with the hydrologic system through infiltration, while the large lakes interact through evaporation. Some lakes are thought to be formed by methane rainfall; this precipitation occurs at all latitudes.
-10% of Titan’s surface lakes are empty. These empty lake features can be 150-300 meters deep.
-Large parts of Titan are dissected by fluvial river networks, which contribute to erosion on the surface.
-Cryovolcanic features are 0.6% of the surface area. These volcanoes might act as a methane source for Titan’s atmosphere.
-Featureless, low-relief, dark planes compose 14% of Titan’s surface at the mid-latitudes.
-Titan does experience seasons (taking place over a 29.5 year cycle), which are thought to influence some of the morphology of the moon, mainly adjusting the distribution of hydrocarbons by decreasing Titan’s overall insolation.
-Meteors up to a kilometer in size can be safely disintegrated by the thick atmosphere before they impact the surface!

[Anonymous No.11030472]

Wtf i want to go titan now

[Anonymous No.11030474]

>>11030465
>>11030463
>>11030472
Titan truly is the perfect location for an off world colony.

[Anonymous No.11030475]

>>11030453
fuck musk. the Men of Titan live as gods.

[Anonymous No.11030485]

>>11030475
Gods Fucking flying over methane lakes in regular albiet warm clothes. Potentially without even a face mask if metabolically engineered.

[Anonymous No.11030488]

>the virgin freezing titan colonist
vs
>the chad comfy venus cloud colonist

[Anonymous No.11030497]

>>11030488
>can never land on solid ground
>not self sustaning (zero water)
>cant mine surface due to temps and pressures.
>gravity too high for easy space mining.
>colonizing in the wrong direction.
>co2 atmosphere ( a single breathe would knock u into a coma)
>no useful resources
The virgin balloon boy venusian vs the Chad Aryan Icy Titanian

[Anonymous No.11030528]

>>11030497
>>11030488
>flesh fags not living in a computer powered by a dyson sphere.

[Anonymous No.11030532]

>not letting mars fags build a comfy base for further travel to titan

[Anonymous No.11030536]

>>11030453
if you belive humans will every colonize a moon/planet you are actually braindead. star wars isn't real life you soi huffing faggot

[Anonymous No.11030537]

>>11030453
> through anaerobic respiration of fructose and hydrogenation of resultant co2, and exhaling methane
You're fucking insane, there's no way a human could survive with this little energy.

[Anonymous No.11030539]

>>11030536
People like you most definitely wont.

[Anonymous No.11030551]

>>11030539
God gave us a perfect planet and we are destroying it. Humanity will burn in hell it is creating. No escaping it.

[Anonymous No.11030553]

>>11030551
Yeah yeah you retarded zealot you wont be missed.

[Anonymous No.11030558]

>>11030539
>>11030553

[Anonymous No.11030563]

>>11030537
Actually anaerobic respiration of fructose produces MORE atp per molecule than aerobic reapiration, although not as quickly as oxygen, however modification of catalytic abilities of our enzymes could produce it much much faster. And modifications to certain cell pumps could reduce energy consumption per cell up to 75% . Yes it IS absolutely possible theoretically for humans to breathe other atmospheres and survive anaerobic conditions. Numerous studies have been done on it.

[Anonymous No.11030568]

>>11030539
This
>>11030551
Wtf is this christfag doing on /sci/ ????

[Anonymous No.11030573]

>>11030536
>onions
that's mars. Titan society is based off the roman empire.
>>11030551
you can stay with those whores and other degenerates.

[Anonymous No.11030596]

>>11030563
Sorry thats fat, still, more energy efficient cell calcium and potassium sodium pumps and hydrogenation is more than enough

[Anonymous No.11030614]

>I can't wait to be planet bound

Fuck off. the future of humanity will be living in literal space. It makes no sense to be planetbound

[Anonymous No.11030616]

>>11030453
Based nazi

[Anonymous No.11030625]

>>11030614
Utter horseshit, we simply dont have the mechanical engineering knowledge to even attempt a rotating habitat nor even have the materials to build the big ones, the energy vs pay off of colonizing a moon is so much greater than spending decades and trillions of dollars on a spinning tube of death.
>>11030616
This time the nazis really ARE going to live on the moon, just not earth's

[Anonymous No.11030635]

>>11030625
>rotating habitat

Are you dense? Are you fucking retarded? I didn't say habitat. I said SPACE. No habitats. Pure space.

[Anonymous No.11030667]

>>11030635
>Living in a gasless vacuum near absolute zero.
And im the retard???? Kys mutt

[Anonymous No.11030675]

>>11030667
>space is cold

[Anonymous No.11030676]

>>11030453
>future of humanity (Europeans only)
based.

[Anonymous No.11030689]

>>11030675
It is you retard, theres enough diffuse gas and black body radiation that WILL freeze you not to mention the radiation, the solar flares. And fucking microasteroids which WILL go straight through you holy fuck are you retarded

[Anonymous No.11030698]

>>11030689
First of all your temperature in space can be whatever the fuck you want provided you have energy coming in. Second of all radiation and solar flares are shit we have to deal with regardless. Micrometeoroids are a meme because they're only a big threat because space travel is currently difficult. Because you have to leave a planet just to get into space like a homo. Stay on your rocks, nigger.

[Anonymous No.11030705]

The future of mankind is fixing this gargantuan mess it created here before even thinking of spreading our contagion to the stars. I sincerely hope any eventual colonization ships are bombarded before they can leave the planet.

[Anonymous No.11030714]

>>11030698
Wheres you energy coming from retard? And dont say solar because you cant have a higher temp than you equilibrium temp even with pitch black skin. Also where you gett your bodies energy from? photosynthesis or some shit? Ok retard turn yourself into the equivalent of a fucking leaf to increase your surface area and float around in the vacuum of space and get fucked by micro asteroids holy FUCK are you dumb.>>11030705
We would be fixing the contagion by making the white race leave the lesser races to return to the dark ages until they evolve

[Anonymous No.11030716]

>>11030714
Fusion, you cunt.

[Anonymous No.11030726]

>>11030716
LMAO you are going to have a fusion reactor inside human bodies !!! Now i know you fucking joking

[Anonymous No.11030732]

>>11030475

Musk actually wants to colonize Titan, when the infrastructure exists makes it practical.

[Anonymous No.11030735]

>>11030475

Musk actually wants to colonize Titan when the infrastructure exists to make the effort practical.

[Anonymous No.11030748]

>>11030735
The infrastructure for titan colonization is significantly less than mars

[Anonymous No.11030764]

>>11030748

Getting meaningful amounts of people and cargo out there is a part of it. Mars is and will remain easier in that respect for the time being.

[Anonymous No.11030768]

>>11030764
Getting cargo there is MORE difficult. There is a massively high rate of failure for mars landing because retrograde rocket thrust MUST be used. Their is not air resistance to speak of to catch stuff you throw at it. The ONLY benefit mars has over titan is the distance, not because of fuel requirements or anything but because its way more difficult to provide for people for 4 years vs for 10 months. Once cryosleep is worked out completely it loses that advantage

[Anonymous No.11030770]

>>11030735
He wont be alive to see it

[Anonymous No.11030789]

phobos and deimos > everything else

[Anonymous No.11030793]

asteroid belt > the rest

[Anonymous No.11030795]

>>11030453
>everyone dies from breathing in -200C air
>babies are string beans because lol less gravity than the Moon
>have to go through 100km of atmosphere to get back into space
>everyone needs constant vitamin d supplements because lack of sunlight
>everything is dark constantly

Nice plan. Mars is retarded too though; the real red pill is space habs. Humanities future is less Star Trek and more Gundam.

[Anonymous No.11030796]

>>11030768

>The ONLY benefit mars has over titan is the distance

Exactly.

>Once cryosleep is worked out completely it loses that advantage

I hope

[Anonymous No.11030810]

>>11030789
Retard
>>11030793
Retard
>>11030795
>not passing air through prewarming filter hur dur
>not giving people osteoproterigrin supplaments or sclerosin antibodies hur dur
>not realising that a thick atmosphere is a benefit even with air resistance, the low gravity makes it many times more energy efficient to leave than mars.
>not using limitless hydrocarbon energy to power uv lamps hur dur
> everything is dusk constantly still bright enough to read a book outside. And inside habitats artificial lighting makes it a non issue.
Literally not one of those things is a difficult problem to solve, like at ALL

>>11030796

[Anonymous No.11030817]

>>11030810
>pre heater
Why not just give everyone regular respirstion masks at that point instead genetically Engineering a planet

[Anonymous No.11030820]

>>11030817
What are you talking about ??? Im not genetically engineering a planet. You probably dont even need a preheater all you need to do is make the goblet cells of the lungs produce antifreeze proteins. The muscus lining of the lungs will freeze WAY below zero then and you wont have a ice crystallization fucking your aveoli problem.

[Anonymous No.11030821]

>>11030817
Counter current heat exchange veins like the artic fox amke it able to survive -70 celcius just fine and with antifreeze proteins, and a layer of blubber under the skin people should be able to go outside and breathe without anything more than a tshirt shorts and shoes

[Anonymous No.11030845]

>cryosleep
>genetic engineering

This is sci, not scifi.

[Anonymous No.11030852]

Okay, I'm on board for colonising titan. How do I prepare?

[Anonymous No.11030855]

>>11030845
Crogenic therapy and retoviruses/crispr are real things you retard

[Anonymous No.11030974]

>>11030453
Titan gravity: 0.14g

Have fun with retarded jello babies

[Anonymous No.11030979]

>>11030974
Thanks

[Anonymous No.11030984]

>>11030453
it is not easy to do fren

[Anonymous No.11030987]

>>11030984
We do not do it because it is easy anon.

[Anonymous No.11030992]

>>11030984
Itll be fine. Theres so many resources well have a great time

[Anonymous No.11031166]

>>11030453
because of the dense atmosphere, the extremely low temperatures would be a major issue on Titan, in contrast with the almost vacuum situation on Mars.

[Anonymous No.11031223]

>>11030453
It's fucking cold! There are fucking CLOUDS of cyanide on Titan! How the fuck do you generate energy on titan? There's fuck all in the way of free hydrogen. Metabolic engineering like that is FAR, FAR, FAR beyond what we can achieve today.

[Anonymous No.11031224]

>>11030810
how the fuck do you generate energy from hydrocarbons when there's NO OXYGEN TO BURN THEM?

[Anonymous No.11031297]

>>11031223
>>11031224
There is a constant 0.2% hydrogen in the atmosphere and remeber the atmosphere is 10 times thicker so thats the same amount of molecules as 2% on earth. You can hydrogenate acetylene from the lakes. It naturally happens on titan but its self regenerating in the atmosphere so its always there.>>11031224
Read above comment, oxygen isnt the only chemical you can combine certain hydrocarbons with to release energy.

[Anonymous No.11031303]

>>11031223
The cyanide is WAY high in the atmosphere and no amount of it reaches the ground in harmful concentrations

[Anonymous No.11031307]

>>11031223
This isnt even mentioning wind power which is 10x times more efficient on titan than earth because of the dense atmosphere

[Anonymous No.11031331]

>>11031297
that's nice sweetie, but how much energy can you actually generate with it? On earth we can generate almost unlimited energy from the temperature between the deep ocean and the warm water near the surface. But we don't really because it's impractical. Cause you're moving so much water your pipes get gunked up with filter feeding sea life.
>>11031303
we've sent only one surface probe sweetie, so we don't know that for sure.
>>11031307
Sweetie we've only sent one surface probe, so we don't know how constant the winds are or how much energy we can actually extract from them. The amount of energy you can extract from wind scales with velocity squared and only linearly increases with density. We've only measured surface wind speeds of 0.3 m/s, which seems pretty fucking low sweetie.
>> 10x times more efficient on titan than earth
I'm pretty sure you pulled that number from your ass sweetie

[Anonymous No.11031346]

>>11031331
Heaps its literally in the air and separates itself in a stable environment. Actually we do through spectrum analysis we can do from earth. The average wind speeds ive seen in 1 m/s vs 4m/s for earth. But due to the atmosphere being MUCH thicker the amount of energy in that wind is MORE than earth. Its REAL simple SWEATIE kinetic energy is multiplied by the amount of mass. And the amount of mass per square meter of air on titan in 10 times more than earth so no i didnt pull that number out my ass SWEATIE

[Anonymous No.11031360]

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[Anonymous No.11031381]

>>11031331
Its literally as easy as walking to your local lake getting a few shovels of acetylene crystals at the rim of the lake and combining it with a chemically balanced amount of hydrogen taken from the always present 20 grams of hydrogen in every square metre of air. Which is MORE than enough to produce reasonable energy. 14 grams of acetylene to every 4 grams of hydrogen, producing 311 kj of energy per molecule. This is plenty. Every square meter of air can "burn" 70 grams of acetylene

[Anonymous No.11031400]

>>11031331
That 311 kj per mole is 2/5ths the amount of energy released from propane burning in oxygen, sure not quite as much but itll never run out and its much more energy dense than solar or wind ect.

[Anonymous No.11031827]

>>11030488
>>11030497
Venus could plausibly be terraformed as an extremely hot and stormy Earth but I wouldn't travel there any time soon.

[Anonymous No.11031949]

>>11031381
Sweetie you do realize that solid acetylene is explosively unstable? And sweetie just how much acetylene is actually available? Last time I checked the existence of bath tub rings of solid acetylene are still pretty speculative. And without know the exact concentrations we can't assess the viability of this energy source.
>> 20 grams of hydrogen in every square meter of air
you do realize that's a ridiculously low concentration sweetie? 20 grams in a column of air 1 square in area stretching from the bottom to the top of the atmosphere isn't much at all!
>> 311 kj of energy per molecule
ummm sweetie, you aren't going to get kilojoules of energy out of the chemical reaction of one molecule unless it's really really, really, really, really, really big. This is more energy than you'd get from converting the molecule's mass to energy.

[Anonymous No.11031996]

>>11030551
god made me to fuck you into submission, spread them wide

[Anonymous No.11032089]

>>11030845
We've revived mice frozen for months, humans aren't that far off.

[Anonymous No.11032317]

>>11032089
Source?

[Anonymous No.11032388]

>>11030453
China.

[Anonymous No.11032428]

>>11030485
>Gods Fucking flying over methane lakes in regular albiet warm clothes.

>warm clothes

Methane is a liquid below −257.8 °F

If titan has methane "rainfall", you're going to need something a bit stronger than "warm clothes"

[Anonymous No.11032463]

>>11032428
continued...

and your bases structure and foundations better be VERY well insulated so that your base doesn't melt it's way to the core.

[Anonymous No.11032482]

first step should be a small stanford torus in the orbit of earth and the moon.

Use the lunar one for re-acclimating workers on the lunar surface to earth-g and to prevent or postpone the deleterious effects of fractional gravity upon the human body.

Giant solar concentrating troughs could be fabricated from lunar materials and used to create aluminum oxide booster rockets, to push prefabricated sections of an even larger Stanford torus into lunar orbit, and from there be assembled.

Not to mention prefab parts for other space ships, space tugs, landers, etc....

that way, we can live in our normal 1g environment, and be right next door to space for the easy travel.

[Anonymous No.11032681]

>>11031949
Solid acetylene at cryogenic temps is NOT unstable. Also its 20 grams per cubic meter i meant not square meter, more than enough. And i meant per mole sorry i was tored last night.

[Anonymous No.11033786]

>>11030528
Jet let the humans take the outer part of the system. By the time we colonize the sun it will be too late for them to do anything.

[Anonymous No.11033789]

>>11030453
>(europeans only)
you mean Chinese right? The western empires are collapsing.

[Anonymous No.11033791]

>>11030453
>nothing but a warm jacket
>cold enough for there to be liquid methane lakes
>cold enough for your eyeballs to freeze instantly
You would need a self contained heating system, and a way to heat the atmospheric nitrogen to keep from freezeburning your lung tissue

[Anonymous No.11033809]

>>11033789
>Implying once westerners are gone and china has no one to copy innovation off they wont just stagnate
>>11033791
It is absolutely not cold enough to instantly freeze eyeballs lmao conduction loss of heat is terrible in gas even a thicker than earth one. You dont need self contained heating there have been studies done on it all you would need is a breathing tube that passes under you jacket to increase the time it takes for the air to reach your lungs, a study that i cant find rn showed it would raise it to above freezing from this alone.

Youd just need a aerogel jacket and balaclava goggles and a breathing tube to make sure the gas is above 0 before it reaches your lungs

[Anonymous No.11035366]

>>11032681
Why don't you prove it sweetie?

[Anonymous No.11037268]

>>11030453
>Mars colonization