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/sfg/ SPACEFLIGHT General - Starship Upskirt Edition Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:28:51 2019 No.11007813 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:31:54 2019 No.11007816 File: 197 KB, 850x790, __hayabusa_original_drawn_by_makohan__sample-d6f6af2e722c41a26e1d4507baf3397a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11007813 First for "press F for dead probes"

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:32:37 2019 No.11007817 >>11007813 Good choice. I was thinking I'd use exactly that if I had to start a thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:33:45 2019 No.11007820 >https://twitter.com/DaveMosher/status/1177371732270833665 Starship presentation is Saturday, 7:00 PM CT. Presentation thread will be up an hour before the event starts.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:34:33 2019 No.11007822 >>11007820 >Starship presentation is Saturday, 7:00 PM CT So it'll probably really be at 8:00 PM CT

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:46:22 2019 No.11007836 >>11007813 l-lewd

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:49:05 2019 No.11007838 File: 454 KB, 2048x1536, 6CE59F19-974A-4EAC-8774-427FDFA09CAA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] that’ll hurt coming out

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:50:01 2019 No.11007839 File: 30 KB, 365x360, 156787363451.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11007813 :^o

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:51:55 2019 No.11007842 File: 167 KB, 400x359, 1395085648089.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >SLS will never fly >Orion will never fly (a real space crew, fuck off with your Delta IV) >Defund NASA and breakup the ULA scam.

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 26 23:53:02 2019 No.11007843 >>11007838 >ULTRA BOOM

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 00:50:54 2019 No.11007914 File: 33 KB, 598x328, b2CySxM.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >many other priorities

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:03:03 2019 No.11007930
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Within 100 years we could feed 1 million people on Mars using yummy foods like crickets:
https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/space.2019.0018
Also it looks like a Mars colony will be largely reliant on food imported from Earth for DECADES.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:18:40 2019 No.11007961

you are now the honorable Senator of the Deep South and are in charge of Lousiana-Mississippi-Alabama. Some west-coastal rich folk who worship computers have made your big over-budget rocket obsolete. This means that a bunch of god-fearing hard-working REAL AMERICANS are going to lose their jobs making rockets at places like Michoud. Worse yet, NASA wants to replace them with a bunch of eggheads that are probably hippy marxist atheists from california who are most certainly not going to vote for you. NASA's talking about sending probes and crap more or less everywhere in the goddamn solar system, but they're sending them on those rich folk's rockets. This means more jobs for eggheads and less jobs for REAL AMERICANS. So what do you do to keep those REAL AMERICANS employed for NASA?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:40:58 2019 No.11007987 >>11007930 Absolute brainlet tier paper obviously trying to push muh eat bugs agenda, doesn't even investigate algae production in surface bags to feed shrimp, fish and chickens, dropped hard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:44:22 2019 No.11007994 >>11007838 looks stunning but they need to speed it up, saturday is almost here

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:49:43 2019 No.11008012 File: 479 KB, 2048x1612, EFapNVWUwAEe28O.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Do NOT lewd the rocket

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:50:11 2019 No.11008013 File: 62 KB, 1024x676, 1569557926808.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:56:31 2019 No.11008025 >daddy elon notice me please uwu :)

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 01:57:44 2019 No.11008027

>>11007987
They consider magical cultured chicken which is fed with cellular agriculture. Cellular agriculture can be algae or cyanobacteria in some cases, but basically it's magic. Magical chicken fed with magical cellular agriculture needs more area than insects. Insects are also nice because you can recycle food waste.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 02:03:04 2019 No.11008034 >>11008027 Despite what the propaganda tells you, insects are a terribly unsafe food source because you cannot gut them so you are eating their waste products as a significant portion of your "meat patty".

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 02:32:13 2019 No.11008073 >>11007816 What probes?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 02:45:56 2019 No.11008094

>>11008027
Cultured chicken is already almost viable, at least as a product with processed texture. It does take some sophisticated inputs though; synthetic serum (while cheap) is fancy stuff.
>>11008034
There are significant concerns about eating bugs because no one has ever figured out how they process certain compounds, or how they accumulate metals. Only a small handful of insects are considered food-safe, and they're not generally regarded as the easy ones to culture as food.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 03:07:45 2019 No.11008128 Looks like the other nose fin is going on.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 03:10:02 2019 No.11008135 >>11008013 why is DO NOT TOUCH in quotations though

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 04:43:46 2019 No.11008236 File: 673 KB, 2048x1364, EFapNVWU8AAnr8d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11007813 Post another pic faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 04:57:21 2019 No.11008245 >>11008135 It must be the department motto or maybe the lab is covered in Gender Diversity reminders.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:07:08 2019 No.11008301 File: 152 KB, 960x708, ECiZUrTUYAAZ1Fk.jpg large.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11007842 unironically this

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:09:03 2019 No.11008303 >>11008236 God damn that is a fucking nightmare of pipes and wires.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:10:02 2019 No.11008304 File: 422 KB, 2048x1364, EFapNVUU4AATf0N.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Aaaa

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:10:18 2019 No.11008305 >>11008303 Its a bit complicated, but its really not that bad. The bell nozzles aren't made out of brazed tubing, after all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:12:40 2019 No.11008309 >>11008303 I thought that most of the small plumbings are sensors. Am i wrong?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:15:05 2019 No.11008314 >>11008304 How do the nozzles handle the extreme heat since they're not cooled like the RS-25 engines

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:16:51 2019 No.11008315

>>11008314
>How do the nozzles handle the extreme heat since they're not cooled like the RS-25 engines
It is cooled like the RS-25 engines. The nozzle is a sandwich of inconel and machined copper. Methane is run through the milled copper cooling channels.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:18:41 2019 No.11008316 >>11008315 Oh, the nozzles seemed to be too thin to have channnels with the required flow capacity inside of them. Thanks for the info anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:29:54 2019 No.11008329 What's happening at Cocoa now that everyone is focusing on Boca Chica? Did SpaceX move people from there to TX to speed up MK1?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:34:49 2019 No.11008332 >>11008329 Yes they did. One guy spotted a worker with a cocoa shirt in boca chica

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:49:46 2019 No.11008341 File: 1.45 MB, 1269x685, canards.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] We have canards.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:49:48 2019 No.11008342 I think I'd rather eat meat grown in a petri dish than bugs. You know, I just don't want to poop out bug shells, and I should get to make that choice for myself. Don't take away my agency.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 06:50:51 2019 No.11008343 File: 21 KB, 293x277, 1268500409198.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008341 I canardly wait to see them in action

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:13:29 2019 No.11008362 >>11008343 Get out.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:18:05 2019 No.11008370 >>11008316 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1177387141116002304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw I learned something new today heh

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:35:19 2019 No.11008400 File: 135 KB, 1440x846, Ed9xM2opTtuJ499RPRic6A[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Chang'e 4 landing site

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:40:13 2019 No.11008411
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https://www.asteroidmission.org/20190723linestreakedboulder/

>This image shows a detailed view of a line-streaked boulder in asteroid Bennu’s northern hemisphere. The surrounding area is densely populated with large boulders. The image was taken by the PolyCam camera on NASA’s OSIRIS-REx spacecraft on July 23, from a distance of 0.4 miles (0.7 km). The field of view is 32 ft (9.6 m). For scale, the small, bright rock to the right of the boulder is 23.6 inches (0.6 m) across, which is about the size of a bicycle tire. The image was obtained during the mission’s Orbital B phase. When the image was taken, the spacecraft was over the northern hemisphere, pointing PolyCam straight down.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:40:43 2019 No.11008413

>>11008342
There are a few startups producing animal feed from maggots - so humans wouldn't necessarily have to eat the insects themselves. And keeping hens would probably be good for the mental health of the crew. Not sure how they would cope in zero-gravity, but perhaps eggs could be kept in cold store during the journey and then hatched on Mars? Don't know if/how long they can be kept dormant.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:42:14 2019 No.11008414 >>11008413 Chickens only produce a lot of eggs in the presence of a lot of food. It's a fundamental trait of the Red Jungle Fowl they were domesticated from.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:43:39 2019 No.11008419 >>11008414 But they're not after a lot of eggs, only enough to keep the population going at minimum. They'd be raising the chickens to eat.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:45:16 2019 No.11008422 >>11008419 Exactly. You bring your breeding population on a rocket with a meager diet, to suppress egg-laying in transit. Then, you restore the calories and rapid egg-laying resumes.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:46:54 2019 No.11008425
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>so far the LROC team has not been able to locate or image the lander.

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/goddard/2019/obscured-in-the-lunar-highlands

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 07:54:07 2019 No.11008445

>>11008422
I wasn't very clear. I meant: eggs in cold store during journey, hatch eggs on Mars, on Mars hens feed on Black Soldier Fly Larvae, with the larvae themselves raised on waste including crew faecal waste and food scraps. You'd probably even get some methane as waste somewhere along the chain, which could be captured.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:00:43 2019 No.11008460

>>11008445
I looked it up, unfortunately it looks like we can only reliably store eggs for about six days before starting incubation. However, if you began incubation aboard the ship, that gets you about five days of cold storage, three weeks of incubation, and then 16 to 24 weeks of maturation time. I'd bet chicks eat a lot less than full-grown hens and roosters, too.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:04:29 2019 No.11008462

>>11008460
Ah shame. I guess the worry is that the poor chicks would be irretrievably gimped by zero-grav during early development. I can imagine that bone/muscle weakness etc. could be a big problem. Mind you, perhaps given their size they could realistically reside in a rotating habitat during the journey.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:10:57 2019 No.11008475 >>11008462 One generation of gimpy chickens isn't a disaster, especially considering how fast they can reproduce.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:14:48 2019 No.11008485 >>11008475 it is if the gimpy chicken can't breed

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:20:05 2019 No.11008504 File: 56 KB, 241x290, smart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008475 >>11008485 Sounds like it's non-ironically a job for the ISS

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:20:49 2019 No.11008507 >>11008485 Fortunately we can figure that out with Starships on trial cruises, maybe even one on an aldrin cycler between the Earth and Moon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:21:51 2019 No.11008508 >>11008504 ISS would be great, but it's not big enough for enough chickens to get good results.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:24:19 2019 No.11008513 >>11008508 >>11008504 >>11008485 Upside on the microgravity environment though: the Space Shuttle experiments with Quail noted reduced collagen expression. Read in another way: space birds are more tender.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:25:42 2019 No.11008517 File: 129 KB, 489x424, 1554401469351.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008508 >Bigelow space chicken farm module

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:26:23 2019 No.11008518

>>11007930
>Also it looks like a Mars colony will be largely reliant on food imported from Earth for DECADES.
>a regular human requires around 10 square km2 of ultra fertile top tier earth soil to be fed in barely survival conditions
>0,0001 square meter of shitty radioactive low sun input soil on mars will cost around 20 billion each
>conclussion:it might be difficult to farm on mars

woah, whichever university allowed that guy to graduate should be closed and then bombed

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:27:11 2019 No.11008520 >>11008504 >implying theres any science with a real world application done on the ISS They grow salad for 10 years ans perhaps throw in a few worms. All for the reasonable price tag of a few hundred billion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:27:29 2019 No.11008521 >>11008517 >integrated banjo playing robot >pressure suit with attached straw hat

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:27:47 2019 No.11008523 File: 158 KB, 800x1000, US Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008517 FUND IT >filename https://www.perdue.com/

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:28:44 2019 No.11008526 >>11008520 >what a waste of resources, we should focus on goign to mars instead, we already know the prolonged effects of 0 g on the body >BECAUSE WE HAD THE FUCKING ISS IN THE FIRST PLACE YOU MONGOLOID

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:35:15 2019 No.11008536 >>11008526 I do realize there was a time when having a space station was useful and it actually contributed to meaningful research. That was like 20 years ago.

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>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:50:45 2019 No.11008578 >>11008564 I am somehow reminded of the Used Rocket Salesman scene from an episode of Firefly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:52:54 2019 No.11008582 >>11008578 That is unironically the future that we're cruising towards if this all works as planned.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:56:03 2019 No.11008587 File: 528 KB, 2048x1536, EFeKDE4XoAILImE[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008564 another pic

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 08:58:03 2019 No.11008595 >>11008582 If these physicists are right about being optimistic with the in-progress generation of fusion reactors, we're all going to have a very happy midcentury.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:00:08 2019 No.11008601 >>11008518 Suspect there's not going to be any porkers on Mars for a while though. But I'd expect state of the art hydroponics to be the tech of choice. Dutch are pretty advanced at this stuff, no joke

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:02:06 2019 No.11008603 Stacking immediate

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:02:58 2019 No.11008607 >>11008601 https://youtu.be/QJ882QYzr-M

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:03:17 2019 No.11008609 File: 1.26 MB, 1259x679, habbening.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] habbening

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:04:13 2019 No.11008614 STACK THE FUCKING CHUNGUS

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:04:48 2019 No.11008615 >>11008609 > Get me off this fucking planet elon sama

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:04:48 2019 No.11008616

>>11008601
If transgenic human-transplant-compatible pigs are invented (we seem to be getting close), they'll be a high-priority livestock on Mars. Pork would still be consumed minimally, but every time you need a vital organ that requires the pig to die that's an entire carcass worth of meat available.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:08:18 2019 No.11008623 >>11008609 In awe at the size of that crane.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:12:45 2019 No.11008628 File: 266 KB, 1249x638, 81084383-E6F4-4A65-A9EA-F2996C7E5AF0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008623

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:15:44 2019 No.11008635 >>11008135 It means it for everyone not authorized ofcourse.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:16:45 2019 No.11008637 >>11008609 $20 says this trashcan wont be reusable in the first 10 flights.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:25:05 2019 No.11008651 >>11008637 is your head spinning, little man?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:28:15 2019 No.11008656 >>11008651 idk

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:33:10 2019 No.11008667

>>11008637
I'd be surprised if it lasted 10 flights, hopper only hopped twice after all. Without more information I'd make the conjecture that Mk1 is just a functionality demonstrator to show off that SpaceX can get such a large and new vehicle with their new engines to perform the way they want it to.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:33:42 2019 No.11008669 >>11008595 Giv clapped-together space bucket with polywell-based compact fusion powerplant maintained by a wholesome qt in brown overalls pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:35:54 2019 No.11008676 >>11008013 >paper attached with tape i'm guessing its just a low level reminder not to fuck with whatever that is. still silly to touch it if you dont know

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:36:50 2019 No.11008678 >>11008667 the tankage should still be viable even after that, being fullsize but overweight the aero surfaces have aluminum in them so will need to be pulled off for orbital testing I think

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:39:48 2019 No.11008688 >>11008637 Maybe, but it doesn‘t even matter. To hear Elon speaking they‘re already planning 3-4 more versions. This is just a rough prototype. It‘s just meant to get some flight data for the skydiving landing technique.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:45:00 2019 No.11008699 >>11008688 Cool

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:49:53 2019 No.11008706 >>11008688 If they don't make it dab with it's fins at least once, then I'm going to be very disappointed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:50:23 2019 No.11008707 So will they actually add heatshields before the flight or is that for later versions that actually make orbit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:51:26 2019 No.11008710 >>11008706 Should do that on the launch pad at T-10s

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:51:47 2019 No.11008713 >>11008707 heatshields won't be required for the current flight plan I also don't think they've ramped up production on that

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:52:48 2019 No.11008715 >>11008710 that's true, flap actuate checks on the pad at T-10 are either going to be penguin flapping or a dab

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:54:26 2019 No.11008720 >>11008676 >attach paper with "do not touch" to a random piece of leftover metal >tell the vice president of course HE can touch it to make him feel important

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:54:27 2019 No.11008721

>>11008699
Too lazy to get the exact quote but he said something about still preferring the tripod fin design and so while he did cave to the engineers for Mk1 he mentioned something like Mk's 2, 3, or 4 possibly being much closer to what he actually wants. The engineers were (rightly) slightly apoplectic about the difficulty of plummeting a giant steel benis to the ground at supersonic speeds with it's largest control surfaces far ahead of the center of mass. For anyone in the thread who doesn't know or who hasn't played some plane or rocket building game with at least partially correct physics, if the surfaces catch just a bit too much air during a pitch or yaw then they'll try to flip the whole vehicle around so they're behind the CoM, resulting in you not being able to get back from space today. This is also why the F9's and F-Heavies all have their grid fins near the very top of the rocket.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:58:14 2019 No.11008734 File: 1.17 MB, 1360x3472, 1490979759988.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11007930 >mars colony

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 09:59:27 2019 No.11008738 File: 88 KB, 589x442, 1550914262349.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11007930 >crickets same as grasshoppers in this shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:01:42 2019 No.11008741 File: 46 KB, 400x550, 4654654.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008564 >>11008587

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:03:30 2019 No.11008745 >>11008734 just put the mothers in a carousel for 9 months.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:04:13 2019 No.11008748 >>11008741 >1951 >SpaceX Starship >wojak trying to dab >greenfrog in sky

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:04:38 2019 No.11008750 >>11008741 >guy is literally dabbing - captured in marble circa 20th century

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:04:48 2019 No.11008751 File: 36 KB, 500x281, heal_santa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008741 >he's dabbing IT WAS FORETOLD IN THE PROPHECY!

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:05:37 2019 No.11008753
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>>11008745
I don't even think that portion of the development requires gravity for the fetus health. I think it is the rest of the years of body growth that need it the most.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:05:41 2019 No.11008754 >>11008741 >Pictured, Elon Musk dabbing on the ghost of Senator Richard Shelby as his fleet of big black falcons return to Earth from the first Mars colony, 2030, colorized.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:05:51 2019 No.11008755 >>11008721 Thanks for giving me the rundown.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:06:05 2019 No.11008756 >>11008628 It looks talker from afar. What a beast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:06:16 2019 No.11008757 File: 1.30 MB, 1360x3472, jello babies.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008734 fixed image here

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:08:06 2019 No.11008760 >>11008757 I really think at that point, you should just build space stations and enjoy rotating for, "gravity."

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:10:36 2019 No.11008765 >>11008564 it looks like a giant cheap movie prop from the outside until you see what's inside it >>11008236

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:12:06 2019 No.11008769 >>11008765 the engines aren't hooked up at all, they're just movie props too

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:12:31 2019 No.11008770
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>>11008755
No problem, I guess having only two fins and having them be significantly longer puts them far enough behind the CoM to at least greatly reduce the risk of this happening. Also apparently at least for now this configuration is lighter than the concept with landing legs at the wingtips, presumably because you'd not only need an extra fin but also the actuators for the two motile fins would have to be more powerful, since they'd have to move the mass not only of the fins but also the landing gear attached to them. That means bigger motors and more batteries, so for now two fins only and legs on the body separate from them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:13:10 2019 No.11008771 >>11008769 >inb4 "SpaceX has been faking BFR this whole time"

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:14:36 2019 No.11008776 >>11008771 nah, that's a pressure vessel for sure, they put too much work into it for it to be anything else and a pressure vessel is step 1 of "how to make a rocket" but it's not going to be plumbed up for the presentation, just a movie prop for now

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:15:01 2019 No.11008778 >>11008628 absolute unit

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:15:09 2019 No.11008779 >>11008710 >13... 12... 11... Dab on ULA peroforming... 9... 8...

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:15:53 2019 No.11008780 >>11008769 All Musk wants for the 28th is for the outside to look right. The fiddly bits have several weeks of leeway, current NET on the 20km hop is I think the 6th of November.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:16:31 2019 No.11008782
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>>11008741
>dab
WOAH! IT'S LIKE THEY REALLY KNEW WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE!

I did notice that they keep drawing ovoid tapered rockets. After most of a year watching SpaceX try to put together a bunch of steel rings, clearly a plain cylinder is a lot less trouble to build. The nose cone (the one part that has to taper) seems to be a constant fitting problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:18:16 2019 No.11008784 File: 68 KB, 249x215, liftingday.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lifting straps are on

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:18:52 2019 No.11008786 >>11007813 Earth is flat

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:19:44 2019 No.11008790 >>11008757 >jello babies Hey look, it's Hotwheels!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:20:52 2019 No.11008793 >>11008748 I need this VERY HIGH effort version of this picture.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:23:52 2019 No.11008797

>>11008782
It is, just a straight cylinder with a similarly straight angled cone stacked atop it is a lot easier to build but also aerodynamically suboptimal. I get that for the demonstrator all they need is a roughly mass-equivalent crude shell that won't fly apart under aerodynamic stresses however at this point it seems like it would have been simpler to build essentially an oversized fairing, two mirrored shells of steel which simply clamp together and then get dropped on top of the propulsion section and welded into place, instead of trying to perfectly fit together hoops of steel into a curved cone shape.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:40:12 2019 No.11008815 Looks more like they’re taking the nose cone off.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:52:05 2019 No.11008831
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>>11008413
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>>11008460
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>>11008504
>>11008517
Chicken farms produce air pollution because of all the chicken shit produced. That's going to be fucking hard on Mars colony life support.
https://sentientmedia.org/chicken-farms-are-making-it-harder-to-breathe-on-marylands-eastern-shore/
I bet you'd also want the chicken farm to be completely separate from human habitation to prevent stinking up the entire colony. The way we currently remove smells is with noble metal cataly$t which ain't cheap. Taking chicken to Mars isn't a very good idea unless you've domed over the entire fucking surface. But hey, it seems cultured tendies have actually been made:
https://www.cnet.com/news/lab-grown-cultured-clean-meat-tasting-the-chicken-of-the-future-just-inc/

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:52:27 2019 No.11008832 >>11008793 y?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:54:47 2019 No.11008837 File: 732 KB, 715x548, stacking.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:55:49 2019 No.11008840 >>11008837 thick, Thick!, THICC!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 10:57:44 2019 No.11008845 >>11008837 el brilliante...

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:01:17 2019 No.11008852 >>11008587 KINO

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:01:51 2019 No.11008855 File: 1.71 MB, 937x936, attempt1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11008793 Like this?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:02:55 2019 No.11008857

>>11008831
https://www.universetoday.com/55545/martian-settlers-may-need-chickens-to-conquer-the-red-planet/

'If humanity ever intends upon on settling Mars (by settling I mean a one way trip with no plans on returning back to Earth), they are going to need a whole lot of chickens if they want to survive–let alone thrive–upon the red planet.'

Just sayin'

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:04:23 2019 No.11008861 >>11008831 Good thing that atmospheres can be reliably separated from themselves on Mars, and that one of the most significant elements of all air processing systems there will be filters.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:05:38 2019 No.11008865 >>11008855 Mega based quadruple dubs.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:08:27 2019 No.11008869

>>11008857
that entire article is baseless speculation. Producing charcoal on mars is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read.
>>11008861
filters eventually get clogged. Filters will get clogged faster when there's goddamn chicken shit in the air. Also you ever seen a chicken farm? Those intake fans seem to spin pretty goddamn fast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:39:10 2019 No.11008935 >>11008314 They don't its a prop roket just another one of musks many scams don't fall it for it wake up sheeple!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:43:41 2019 No.11008948 stack when

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 11:57:42 2019 No.11008973 >>11008236 Reminds me of the Titan II's thrust structure for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:05:01 2019 No.11008993 >>11008855 nice get

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:16:31 2019 No.11009013

>>11007930
I'm sorry,does that show ZERO food production for the first 10 YEARS of a martian colony? What? I would hope that they'd bring a full system to help grow fresh food from day one-they have water with them, they'll be making fertilizer constantly out of feces and food waste they can compost,and I'm sure they can process the percholates out of the martian soil to use it as a filler. You don't even have to use domes, you could build the garden underground and use mirror-enhanced optical fibre lighting to pump good strong sunlight down to them with a nice layer of radiation shielding between the plants and the surface (would also help keep the gardeners safe as well.)

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:33:32 2019 No.11009047

>>11009013
Mars years. Yes and go read the fucking study anon.
>>>>Nutrient solution solutes for soil-less systems would have to be shipped from the Earth until the requisite inputs can be produced on Mars. Soil-based systems may be more robust against plant disease, but it would be necessary to transform the inorganic martian regolith into a “living soil” to support plant growth.28
>>>>A previous study grew various plants in martian regolith simulant,29 but the simulant used (JSC Mars-1A) is just terrestrial soil from Hawaii. Initial efforts using the inorganic, high-fidelity MGS-1 simulant developed by Cannon et al.30 resulted in rapid death of plants and suffocation of earthworms (A. Palmer, pers. comm.), suggesting that plants will not necessarily grow in Mars dirt, at least in raw form.
>>>>A period of trial and error would be needed to: (1) determine the toxicity of the actual martian regolith, similar to how Apollo samples were tested against plant and animal phyla31; (2) remove perchlorates and other salts as necessary; (3) adjust the physical texture of the soil; (4) add fertilizers; and (5) allow time for nutrient cycles to develop and for organic acids to break down the primary silicate minerals.

>>MUH domes
>>>>However, even at the equator on Mars, the average photosynthetic photon flux (PPF) is only about 25mol/m2/sol (similar to Alaska). Greenhouse transmittance values are typically 50%–70% on the Earth, they and may be even lower on Mars because a stronger material would be needed to support a pressurized greenhouse interior.
>>>>A transmittance of 70% reduces the PPF to 17.5mol/m2/sol, which is not sufficient for staple crops and barely capable of growing plants such as lettuce or tomatoes.
>>full system
we don't have a full system that works on Mars today so there's going to be a learning curve. Besides it's going to be difficult to land a full system when you're trying to get a propellant plant running and land construction equipment

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:34:49 2019 No.11009050 >>11009013 22 earth years, anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:36:29 2019 No.11009054 >>11009047 you have truly enormous power requirements for fuel production, just tap some tiny fraction of that for LED lighting

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:45:30 2019 No.11009074 First colonists will have to be turbomanlets. They'll have the same skills and capabilities as regular ones but will require less food and space.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:47:59 2019 No.11009080

>>11009054
sigh. You didn't even read the fucking study anon. Hydroponics require importing a shit load of mass from earth and it takes time to make soil. Those are bigger issues. And really an assertion that you could 'just use LEDs' is fucking worthless. Anon what matters are the actual numbers. That tiny fraction might not actually be so tiny. The devil's always in the details.
>>11009074
so dwarves?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:49:00 2019 No.11009081 >>11009074 Why not add in a complement of small twinks? They don't eat much either and provide sexual release without risk of pregnancy through their boypussies

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:50:42 2019 No.11009086 >>11009080 >so dwarves? No. The space dwarfs will come from hyper-g gainzstations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:52:09 2019 No.11009090 File: 96 KB, 548x533, destiny.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009074 Manlets to Mars

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:54:06 2019 No.11009095 >>11009074 martian turbomanlets is how you make elves, anon

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:55:48 2019 No.11009101 there it goes

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 12:57:43 2019 No.11009107 The chrome dome rises.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:04:18 2019 No.11009128 what exactly do astronauts do on the space station?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:05:04 2019 No.11009131 File: 508 KB, 2048x1536, EFfGmJWXYAAlopW.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] HABBENING!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:06:29 2019 No.11009135 >>11009131 Did they leave a ring behind on the stand?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:07:06 2019 No.11009137 so where's the stream from that drone? reeee

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:07:53 2019 No.11009139 >>11009128 Experiments back-to-back. Usually its just "move sample A into container B, and adjust dial C".

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:09:27 2019 No.11009142 >>11008855 Thank you very much.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:10:33 2019 No.11009144 >>11009131 Which side is leeward and which is windward?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:11:17 2019 No.11009145 >>11009135 I guess they weren't ready for that sort of commitment.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:12:32 2019 No.11009146 >>11009145 Oh you

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:18:27 2019 No.11009161 File: 2.39 MB, 3300x4434, eqPlYyH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it moving really slowly or is it just really fucking big?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:18:35 2019 No.11009162 >>11009135 Is this why they're just dangling it there? Gotta call Elon and ask if one meter of fusselage was essential?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:21:41 2019 No.11009167 >>11009135 >>11009162 That’s how they separate bits off the jig, they cant separate the rings from it so they just cut the bottom off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:25:12 2019 No.11009176 >>11008855 How can one have 4 dubs at once?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:33:54 2019 No.11009193 It's happening!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:33:56 2019 No.11009194 Its going on!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:34:27 2019 No.11009195 File: 385 KB, 1908x1062, 19.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:35:49 2019 No.11009199 >>11009161 yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:37:58 2019 No.11009202 File: 297 KB, 1906x986, 20.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mmm almost there

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:38:30 2019 No.11009204 I'm cooming.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:40:32 2019 No.11009212 How fucking huge that thing is with those tiny workers in there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:40:59 2019 No.11009216 >>11009212 how do they plan to get out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:41:27 2019 No.11009217 >>11009216 they can't . They're now permanent Starship residents

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:41:50 2019 No.11009218 >>11009216 Left in there as ballast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:42:21 2019 No.11009220 >>11009216 Through the huge dent in the nose, probably.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:42:37 2019 No.11009222 >>11009216 They will make up the machine spirit

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:43:21 2019 No.11009223 How do they actually angle it correctly so the fins are all aligned?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:44:37 2019 No.11009225 >>11009202 >the virgin SLS contractor clean room >the chad Starship robust workers in the middle of a field

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:44:43 2019 No.11009226 >>11009216 i dunno anon have you tried engaging your brain???

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:45:45 2019 No.11009228 very large, very phallic, barbed for her pleasure

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:46:33 2019 No.11009231 >>11009223 they just guess bro

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:47:19 2019 No.11009234
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>>11009223
https://www.airgas.com/product/Welding-Products/Welding-Support-Equipment/Markers-Soapstone-&-Scribes/p/RAD64002298
>>11009226
yeah it hurts now

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:47:28 2019 No.11009235 File: 180 KB, 1135x528, Raptors - Tesla.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:48:04 2019 No.11009238 >>11009231 I mean, you'd think they know what they're doing, but these are just some water tower guys. Just look at how they keep fucking up the noses on these things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:48:08 2019 No.11009239 File: 388 KB, 1908x1069, 21.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OOOOOOOOOOHHH YES MMMMMI'M CUMMING YEAH

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:48:19 2019 No.11009240 >>11009235 high voltage arcs and methane are not a good combination.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:48:20 2019 No.11009241 Phenorminal

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:48:33 2019 No.11009243 >>11009216 They are along for the ride, to make mid flight adjustments.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:49:06 2019 No.11009244 >>11009240 Depends on your desired outcome.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:52:07 2019 No.11009250 >>11009244 >yfw it doesn't fit

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:53:13 2019 No.11009252 File: 76 KB, 1024x768, EFfSYbnWkAACXuq.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ALL HAIL ELON

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:54:19 2019 No.11009256 >>11009238 Their actually pretty good at stacking rings, but cones are a bridge too far.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:54:32 2019 No.11009257 File: 184 KB, 1419x2026, Elon Musk is building Super Shiny Starships, and basically you are fucking stupid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] THE PROPHECY HAS BEEN FULFILLED

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:56:34 2019 No.11009259 File: 1.97 MB, 336x199, 1395174020150.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009252 >this is an upper stage

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:56:55 2019 No.11009260 >>11009252 >>11009257 not really, they still need to actually connect them together. There's probably a bunch of other stuff that needs to be done too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:57:37 2019 No.11009262 File: 29 KB, 335x430, nice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009252

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 13:57:46 2019 No.11009263 File: 110 KB, 718x628, 1467912441310.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:01:14 2019 No.11009270

In 2016, Elon announced he was building the largest rocket ever built by a huge margin, and would steal underpants to fund it.

In 2017, Elon announced he was building the largest rocket ever built by a smaller margin, and would fund it by shitcanning Falcon and Dragon in favor of it

In 2018, Elon announced some rich japbro would send taylor swift to the Moon because it just be how billionares do

In 2019, Elon gets to present the largest second stage / spaceship ever built, ready for suborbital flight testing.

In 2020 ???

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:01:22 2019 No.11009271 we need to go bigger

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:05:13 2019 No.11009281

>>11009270
>2020
Elon launches suborbital/orbital flight tests and launches dummy payloads.
>2021
Orbital refueling test launches, real payloads habbening
>2022
Mars launch, moon launch, bunch of launches
>2023
Moon launch for Yusuke Maezawa
>2024
Mars human launches

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:06:52 2019 No.11009283 >>11009281 >2022 >that's not a typo good times

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:10:27 2019 No.11009296 File: 354 KB, 2048x1536, EFfWVXRXUAMZtiB[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] it begins

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:11:21 2019 No.11009299 File: 368 KB, 1025x2304, starship.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BlueOrigin/SLS must be seething

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:11:28 2019 No.11009300 >>11009270 >In 2020 ??? Elon fucks a "cat-girl", then goes full tranny

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:12:38 2019 No.11009302 >>11009300 Elon Rust haha

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:12:50 2019 No.11009304 On top of super heavy the stack will be more than twice as tall. They’ll need some pretty large cranes for that

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:13:41 2019 No.11009308 >>11009304 just get a crane crane

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:14:39 2019 No.11009311 >>11009300 >Elon's true reason for Mars is to be free of limits on genetic engineering and human morality >Elon is going to use Mars as a lab for genetically engineering catgirls for domestic ownership

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:15:17 2019 No.11009312 >>11009308 >not lifting Starship using three other Starships

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:15:25 2019 No.11009314 File: 140 KB, 502x358, goliath_crane.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009304 Theres always a larger crane

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:15:50 2019 No.11009317 >>11009304 >only now suddenly Elon realizes, he also needs to disrupt the crane industry within the next 5 years

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:16:52 2019 No.11009325 >>11009314 >The Virgin Fixed Crane vs the Chad Road Crane. Gtfo

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:16:58 2019 No.11009326 omfg, Austin, please take Elon's cock out of your mouth it's just a fit test for the press at the presentation tomorrow

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:17:29 2019 No.11009328 File: 65 KB, 480x640, 1546663259044.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009238 >>11009256 Because water towers don't have nose cones. >>11009311

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:18:48 2019 No.11009332 File: 291 KB, 767x1024, 4118765_dd1b9b36_1024x1024.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009299

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:22:10 2019 No.11009335 >>11009314 If they go into mass production using similar but refined techniques, we might actually see open air shipyards using rail cranes like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:23:27 2019 No.11009338 >>11009281 and what if some of those test go horribly wrong?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:24:08 2019 No.11009339 >>11009338 Few more months of delays.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:24:13 2019 No.11009340 File: 192 KB, 1020x467, A_Basic_Primer_on_Naval_Shipbuilding_Story_Pic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009335 Yea. Just like ship building industry.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:24:42 2019 No.11009343

>>11009335
>not a clean room
>not using over 49 specialized senior engineers to oversee how the isogrids are machined
Wow, I bet you think rocketry is as simple as taking a bunch of parts together and that becomes a launcher. Well buddy, it's not that easy. The SLS (pbui) is the way to go once all of the Shuttle parts are put together.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:25:17 2019 No.11009345 >>11009325 i believe it is called jib crane

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:26:18 2019 No.11009351 >>11009338 Theres no brakes on this train, hippy. A prototype that ever reaches a museum wasn’t tested hard enough. GET BEHIND ME SATAN.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:27:07 2019 No.11009353 >>11009326 All we had before of a complete Mk1 was renders, even if this is just a fit test we finally get to see what it'll look like in the flesh

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:28:08 2019 No.11009354 >>11009351 satan reporting for duty https://youtu.be/7Ee0y_OAQ4o

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:28:35 2019 No.11009356 >>11009343 Is this bait?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:29:27 2019 No.11009358

>>11009299
>>11009332
Talking of Blue, there’s actually a good chance that Bezos announces Blue’s future mega rocket: New Armstrong (bleh) at IAC in October. One L2 post says he’ll be making “big announcements” and NA has been teased for ages, so it’s logical.

When he does he should be mocked, imagine announcing that your going to build the biggest rocket ever when you still haven’t launched humans into ((space)) on New Shepard and haven’t even started construction of a New Glenn prototype yet. It’ll be an even worse level of vapourware than Elon’s 2016 Interplanetary Transportation System.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:30:43 2019 No.11009363

>>11009338
they build a new one?
>>11009345
the jib is the thing on the end of the crane that looks like a miniature crane and has wires coming off of it in all sorts of directions
>>11009353
talking about this dude https://twitter.com/austinbarnard45/status/1177646357231886336
yeah it's exciting but it's just a big steel tube still, it won't become a real rocket for another month or two

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:30:56 2019 No.11009364 >>11009358 ITS will probably make its wayback with the "18 meter Starship" but that's Starship 2.0 or 3.0.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:31:07 2019 No.11009365 >>11009358 Fuck it, if Bezos announced New Armstrong is fully reusable and bigger than BFR, the brakes have been taken off the space train. My dick is erect.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:31:14 2019 No.11009366 >>11009252 >in a TENT with a box of SCRAPS

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:31:18 2019 No.11009367
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I wonder if this open build process could become a model for others: surely an amazing way to get the public engaged with science and engineering, and amazing PR. Of course it would take other CEOs with brass balls as big as Elon's

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:32:12 2019 No.11009369 >>11009363 tbf it's a big steel tube with engines on one end and that's 80% of a rocket

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:33:08 2019 No.11009372 >>11009369 yeah, and it's got flappy bits in roughly the right shape and roughly the right places, which looks really cool

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:36:21 2019 No.11009381 >>11009365 This. Apparently there are rumors that New Armstrong will be following New Glenn very closely and the Florida facility is being built to construct both.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:37:48 2019 No.11009385 So: do they really just weld that tin can together and it's strong enough? Is all the weight through the skin or is it reinforced? I'd be pretty nervous about slackening off the crane

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:39:16 2019 No.11009388 >>11009385 it's like 1/4 inch thick plate steel, anon

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:39:30 2019 No.11009389
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>>11009356
Hello, newfriend! That is an important reminder that a proper space launch vehicle is custom-built in a clean room from high-tech light-weight alloys, specifically tuned for its one perfect mission!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:39:51 2019 No.11009390 >>11009365 Elon's 18M Starship is the answer to New Armstrong. 2 moves ahead of Bezos.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:40:09 2019 No.11009392 >>11009385 lots of beams and stuff on the inside

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:41:18 2019 No.11009394 File: 1.16 MB, 4032x3024, newsimage-2-heerema_sleipnir.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009314 Not big enough.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:42:07 2019 No.11009397 >>11009388 I know f all about these things as is prolly obvious

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:43:39 2019 No.11009404

>>11009339
>>11009351
one should never doubt how horribly things can go wrong. Falcon Heavy took longer than expected and that was 'just strapping some more boosters on.'
>>11009363
what if it turns out that rockets built in fields can't actually work reliably?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:44:38 2019 No.11009406 WHAT AFFA IT IZ IT NEEDZ MORE DAKKA!!!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:44:55 2019 No.11009408 >>11009404 they clean the next one really really good after they build it in a field and before they launch it

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:45:26 2019 No.11009410 >>11009404 they build the next one in a tent

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:45:34 2019 No.11009411

>>11009381
That’s partially true, as the painting room (stainless steel masterrace) is sized around it. But their actual factory isn’t and their site will have to be further developed due to this. Furthermore, they don’t actually have a launch pad for NA, LC-49 (it’s supposed pad) hasn’t even been fully surveyed, it basically doesn’t exist yet.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:46:19 2019 No.11009413 >>11009358 please be true I don't even care if it's gonna take 10 years to make, I just want the details.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:46:41 2019 No.11009415 >>11009406 I cannot see a technical reason you couldn't slap an existing CIWS system and lightly modified Standard missiles onto a Starship and have the world's first armed Starship.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:46:43 2019 No.11009416 >>11009404 Falcon Heavy got endless delays, because the Falcon 9 kept evolving rapidly and kept making heavy pointless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:48:44 2019 No.11009422 >>11009411 by the time New Armstrong is finished pad 39B will be available for use if you know what I mean

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:50:31 2019 No.11009429 >>11009326 Yeah, but it still looks dope and will fly in a month or two.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:52:47 2019 No.11009433 >>11008855 This is what the internet was meant for wasn't it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:53:02 2019 No.11009435 File: 2.03 MB, 1584x1348, f9vsstarshipMK1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] comparison

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:54:10 2019 No.11009437 >>11009435 now add superheavy

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:54:19 2019 No.11009438

>>11009404
Falcon heavy delays weren't because they failed at engineering. But rather they exceeded in engineering. Thus they waited until they had finished their falcon 9 development to make Falcon heavy.

If you look at Falcon Heavy, the first flight uses block 4. Block 4 were introduced in August 2017. Falcon Heavy flew in Feb 2018.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:55:40 2019 No.11009442 File: 102 KB, 768x768, 1521109934189.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this is just the upper stage

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:56:19 2019 No.11009444 File: 94 KB, 800x453, SGC-250 Big Carl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009394 >>11009314 >they can't lift 3 megatons. Big Carl is laughin'.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:57:04 2019 No.11009446 At what time is the SpaceX update?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:57:39 2019 No.11009448 >>11009444 >megatons Thanks spellcheck. *kilotons

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:58:12 2019 No.11009450 File: 1.36 MB, 2048x1664, f9vsstarshipMK1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009437

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 14:58:43 2019 No.11009453

>>11009363
>it won't become a real rocket for another month or two
I mean, yeah, that guy is obnoxious as hell, considering this is still just a live-sized proof-of-concept.
But then calling it not a rocket is a bit harsh considering it's just a slightly unfinished rocket.
It's already more of a rocket than SLS by any means.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:02:25 2019 No.11009462 File: 1.72 MB, 2048x2866, f9vsstarshipMK1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009450

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:03:06 2019 No.11009464 >>11009450 Is it still 55 meters?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:03:56 2019 No.11009468 >>11009464 50, not sure if that’s with legs extended tho

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:03:56 2019 No.11009469 File: 9 KB, 152x254, IMG_1749.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >there is a non-zero chance I could own a first gen Starship in my lifetime

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:04:21 2019 No.11009470 File: 30 KB, 481x306, 1556356367219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009296 looks familiar

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:09:25 2019 No.11009485 >>11009453 it's about equal, does SLS Core 1 have the engines plumbed in or just the thrust structure mounted?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:10:57 2019 No.11009489 >>11009485 No engines yet.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:11:20 2019 No.11009491

>>11009485
>>11009453
SLS is ahead in that the rocket they're building right now is representative of the final product and Mk 1 Starship isn't, but if they're just lobbing an empty Orion around the Moon who gives a fuck? They're wasting a $1B core on a mission Falcon Heavy could do. And expending it.

After Artemis 1, NASA will have no SLS core. After Mk 1 Orbit, SpaceX will still have Mk 1.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:11:27 2019 No.11009492 You aren't getting tax money for your useless fanboy space pet projects no matter how many props you put up.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:12:01 2019 No.11009493 >>11009491 Mk1 can’t go to orbit. Mk3, sure

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:12:56 2019 No.11009495 >>11009448 Fuckkk you got me there for a moment 3000000t would have been insane

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:13:44 2019 No.11009498
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>>11009492
Good, NASA contracts come with red tape and restrictions. The free market is building two (2) seperate fully reusable superheavy lift vehicles. Keep your development money, or better yet, give those taxes back to the citizens you stole them from.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:14:00 2019 No.11009500 >>11009492 Cringe.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:15:12 2019 No.11009508 >>11009493 Couldn't Mk 1 get to orbit with Superheavy, it's just missing the heatshield hardware?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:15:20 2019 No.11009509
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>>11009444
https://hmc.heerema.com/fleet/sleipnir/#targetText=The%20Sleipnir%20is%20designed%20for,crane%20vessel%20in%20the%20world.

Each of Sleipnir's two main derricks can lift 10,000 metric tons. Each of them. Together, working in tandem they can lift 20,000 metric tons.

Here's one of its hooks. DYEL, bro?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:16:36 2019 No.11009513
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Could a barge hold a starship?

Keep in mind most ships have a tanktop strength of no more than 25mt/m2 and those are built to handle very heavy loads like steel coils.
It seems like it would be a lot of weight concentrated in a small area?

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:17:15 2019 No.11009516

>>11009493
there's nothing physically stopping Mk1 from doing orbit and reentry with some small modifications
it needs the TPS installed, I don't think the flappy bits currently installed will cut it, etcetera
otherwise it should be good to go, I think
of course, they need a Super Heavy to get it there and Boca Chica isn't there yet

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:17:42 2019 No.11009518 >>11009508 No way to mount it on SH. Plus the batteries probably won’t last long enough etc etc

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:17:53 2019 No.11009521 File: 315 KB, 1280x1280, 150031_3_303462.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009509 Also, Heerema was founded by a former member of the SS and just happens to paint all of their shit red, white, and black. Truly /ourcompany/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:18:16 2019 No.11009522 >>11009513 lay it on its side

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:19:28 2019 No.11009525 >>11009521 >truly /ourcompany/ I'm sorry anon, but /sci/ is a libertarian board. All boot lickers will be shot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:19:51 2019 No.11009528 File: 304 KB, 2048x1364, EFfmFEEU8AA1SmA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:19:52 2019 No.11009529 >>11009509 >mt I keep reading megatons since I keep forgetting burgers exist.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:20:54 2019 No.11009533 >>11009528 nubian starship style

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:21:23 2019 No.11009534 >>11009529 I'm a burger and I keep reading millitons which would just be a kilogram

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:21:26 2019 No.11009535 File: 15 KB, 644x800, d90.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009528 That looks EPIC.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:22:15 2019 No.11009537 File: 463 KB, 1600x1143, 02-Gallery_2015-0108-PS-arrival-Rotterdam_b-1600x1143.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009509 That's cute, but this bad boy can lift 25,000mt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jEXmOQ22fQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:22:46 2019 No.11009538 >>11009522 It will have to land vertically anon Unless they do not plan to land the thicc rockets at sea?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:23:01 2019 No.11009540 >>11009534 Why does ton exist at all. We should just use Megagram.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:23:04 2019 No.11009541 >>11009525 Internet Nazis and internet libertarians are low-key bff's though, they're like Gimli and Legolas, they may bicker but in the end they'd gladly have each other's backs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:23:55 2019 No.11009546 >>11009535 >milliton numale looks exactly like tim dodd

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:24:31 2019 No.11009548 File: 508 KB, 500x613, side by side.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009541

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:24:40 2019 No.11009549

>>11009492
>>11009498
You know what the hilariously ironic thing is? It has just been announced that Starship’s development is being funded by the taxpayer!

>SpaceX of Hawthorne, California, $3 million

>SpaceX will collaborate with NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, to develop and test coupler prototypes – or nozzles – for refueling spacecraft such as the company’s Starship vehicle. A cryogenic fluid coupler for large-scale in-space propellant transfer is an important technology to aid sustained exploration efforts on the Moon and Mars.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:25:42 2019 No.11009554 >>11009549 https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-announces-new-tipping-point-partnerships-for-moon-and-mars-technologies

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:26:47 2019 No.11009558 >>11009513 >Could a barge hold a starship? Sure, why not: >>11009537

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:27:08 2019 No.11009559 >>11009525 Hey buddy. It wasn't a libertarian that got us into space

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:27:51 2019 No.11009560 File: 598 KB, 1285x1301, 1567255052354.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009225

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:28:29 2019 No.11009564 File: 48 KB, 538x720, 1349900388059.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009535 This, but unironically.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:28:38 2019 No.11009566
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>>11009537
Also part of the Heerema offshore empire. That ship was originally supposed to be named "Pieter Schelte" after Pieter Schelte Heerema, the company founder (pic related), until the European media and Jewish advocacy groups pitched a fit about the largest ship ever built being named after an actual Nazi. So they named it "'Pioneering Spirit"" instead, lol. I don't think they could have been any less subtle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:29:16 2019 No.11009567 >>11009559 it wasn't a libertarian that sent us to 50 years of oldspace hell either

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:31:50 2019 No.11009573 >>11009567 It was democracy

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:36:20 2019 No.11009583
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>>11009567
Friendly reminder that Wehrner Von Braun hated the space shuttle and wanted instead to assemble two or three 300' long NERVA-powered Mars ships in orbit in the late 70s out of Skylab-style Saturn V-derived components, each with a crew of 6-12, and aim for a multi-ship manned Mars mission and landing by 1982.

That said, the oldspace obsession with efficiency above all else, including costs, was just Wehrner's rampant Germanic autism allowed to run completely unimpeded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:37:59 2019 No.11009588 >>11009583 agreed, Von Braun was a cool dude with a good head on his shoulders he made the rockets go up

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:38:02 2019 No.11009589 >>11009573 Please, nationalism (usa) vs communism with some nazi scientists sprinkled on top is what got us in to space. Hell, the democratic aspect of the US was more then happy to destroy the space program.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:40:18 2019 No.11009591 >>11009589 nationalism got us into space, and then sent us to 50 years of oldspace hell whatever, soon it will be over

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:41:16 2019 No.11009595 People are shitty

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:43:08 2019 No.11009600
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>>11009589
Nationalism doesn't mean democracy. I agree the nationalist spirit of the United States is what helped fueled it's space program...but that ended when it became politically inconvenient due to its democratic aspect >>11009591

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:43:48 2019 No.11009604 >>11009583 and what the fuck's wrong with efficiency anon? The rocket equation is pretty goddamn tyrannical.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:45:09 2019 No.11009610 >>11009604 there's diminishing returns, at a certain point you're trading mass pound for pound between production costs and payload mass, and at a certain point it's just cheaper to make a bigger rocket

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:47:49 2019 No.11009621 File: 317 KB, 2250x1511, 6065.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009589 >Hell, the democratic aspect of the US was more then happy to destroy the space program. Whitey's on the moon, yo! Democracy was a fucking mistake.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:48:44 2019 No.11009627 File: 213 KB, 1024x768, fujicover2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009621 >>11009600 Hive mind

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:48:45 2019 No.11009626 >>11009600 $12 a day to feed an astronaut? where the fuck are they getting those numbers, it's more like $20,000

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:49:47 2019 No.11009631 >>11009626 Dude they cant help it lol.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:50:04 2019 No.11009632
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>>11009444
>>11009509
>>11009521
>Big Carl
It is rated for 250,000 tonne-metres max lift of 5,000mT. Hence the "250" in s the name, "SGC-250." It is merely the largest sized crane in the world. The largest lift capacity in the world is the Taisun crane which has lifted 20,133 metric tons (pic).

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:50:57 2019 No.11009639 >>11009621 pleas take political discussion and casual racism to /pol/. This is a science board. >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:52:27 2019 No.11009646 File: 50 KB, 519x519, 1569268134755.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009632 >tfw the hole in the top of the letter "R" of "Raffles" has more floor space than my entire apartment

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:53:25 2019 No.11009653 >>11009627 I'm convinced we're just nodes in the first strong AI artificial neural network.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:53:32 2019 No.11009654 >>11009639 >muh /pol/ boogeyman Talking about the motivations&current state of space exploration is very much /sfg/ Go to reddit if you want a safe space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:53:41 2019 No.11009655 File: 195 KB, 798x770, 1551027974150.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009639 no

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:53:43 2019 No.11009656 >>11009639 >>>/reddit/ Oi Get over it talk about something else then trying to tell people what to do fag.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:55:00 2019 No.11009662 >>11009627 Does anyone have any manned spacecraft concepts from other countries?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:55:39 2019 No.11009666 File: 94 KB, 1213x831, b7b03244a3ca950434fe6f18b1df57aa.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009583 >>11009588 Here's Wehrner's big boi for anyone interested:

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:56:31 2019 No.11009668 >>11009666 I like it

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:56:56 2019 No.11009674 >>11009666 I really hate it because all propulsive Mars is a shit plan, and non-reusable engines piss me off

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:57:28 2019 No.11009676 File: 204 KB, 1110x1441, 65E1D87E-EB58-4FE4-A34B-434732B293EE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009662

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:57:33 2019 No.11009677 File: 270 KB, 500x600, 1515485624875.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009656 >>11009654 >>11009655 you MUST go back

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:57:42 2019 No.11009678 >>11009666 Literally looks like something out of KSP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:57:48 2019 No.11009679 File: 90 KB, 1024x580, hermes-cutaway.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009662 Hermes, to me, was always /comfy/ AF.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:58:56 2019 No.11009683 File: 19 KB, 450x236, zmem69.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009666 And here's it's terminal confirmation after making the Mars trajectory burn.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:59:22 2019 No.11009687 >>11009677 reeeeing about niggers isn't space, but reeeeeing about reeeeing about niggers is double not space.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:59:24 2019 No.11009688 >>11009677 >people moved on talking about other things >brings his tard rage over a board again trying to derail discussion You're shitposting now

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:59:33 2019 No.11009691 >>11009679 >>11009676 it yet lives, in the form of Dreamchaser

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 15:59:56 2019 No.11009695 >>11009676 >>11009679 Hivemind strikes again!

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:00:25 2019 No.11009698 Its gotta a nice 70s future look to it

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:00:27 2019 No.11009699 >>11009677 Your litterly the only one trying to bring up /pol/ in this thread only supporting the fact more that your the problem.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:00:56 2019 No.11009700
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>>11009621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face and arms began to swell.
(and Whitey's on the moon)
I can't pay no doctor bill.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Ten years from now I'll be payin' still.
(while Whitey's on the moon)
The man jus' upped my rent las' night.
('cause Whitey's on the moon)
No hot water, no toilets, no lights.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
I wonder why he's uppi' me?
('cause Whitey's on the moon?)
I was already payin' 'im fifty a week.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Taxes takin' my whole damn check,
Junkies makin' me a nervous wreck,
The price of food is goin' up,
An' as if all that shit wasn't enough
A rat done bit my sister Nell.
(with Whitey on the moon)
Her face an' arm began to swell.
(but Whitey's on the moon)
Was all that money I made las' year
(for Whitey on the moon?)
How come there ain't no money here?
(Hm! Whitey's on the moon)
Y'know I jus' 'bout had my fill
(of Whitey on the moon)
I think I'll sen' these doctor bills,
Airmail special
(to Whitey on the moon)

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:01:27 2019 No.11009701 >>11009698 >>11009679 Meant for this

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:01:58 2019 No.11009702
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>>11009668
>>11009678
>>11009683

And here's a composite image of the terminal configuration and Wehrner's idea to have the two ships of the Mars fleet dock together and spin to create artificial gravity during the 3-month voyage.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:02:05 2019 No.11009703

>>11009610
Making a bigger rocket is the entire idea behind the SLS. Why bother launching stuff up separately when we can launch it all at once on one big rocket? The issue with SLS isn't efficiency or that it's made in a cleanroom, the real issue is that it's made in 48 states(possibly 50). That and being forced to use old shuttle hardware

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:03:00 2019 No.11009709 >>11009703 and booster/sustainer design and inefficient staging

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:03:07 2019 No.11009710 >>11009702 We should research more on the effects of microgravity

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:03:43 2019 No.11009712 >>11009702 is there a link between the two crew compartments?

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:03:54 2019 No.11009713 >>11009700 >Whitey on the moon stands as the greatest achievement in human history >Gil Scott-Heron died a whiny has-been and is remembered as advocating for social parasitism

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:04:34 2019 No.11009716
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>>11009674
Von Braun seemingly toyed with a bunch of propulsive concepts. Some involved lots of staging, some were just giant fuel tanks with a single massive NERVA on the end. Here's one of the latter designs.

I'd assume the crew/hab space and conical lander/SSTO ascender would have been more or less the same as in the staged concepts.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:04:36 2019 No.11009717 >>11009583 Nazi warcriminal and america's greatest shame in the history of space flight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:04:40 2019 No.11009718 >>11009702 Those stick flippers and the pendulum ones are very unstable. Torus will forever be king.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:04:45 2019 No.11009720 >>11009710 Mir and ISS covered that more then enough already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:05:56 2019 No.11009721 >>11009720 We are just starting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:06:42 2019 No.11009722 >>11009717 Von Braun would be welcome to post here if he was still alive. You aren't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:06:59 2019 No.11009724 >>11009718 incorrect

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:07:45 2019 No.11009727 >>11009720 I mean like a satellite that uses a centrifuge to figure the effects of different levels of microgravity

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:08:01 2019 No.11009730 >>11009722 that frogposter needs to fuck off too

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:08:26 2019 No.11009734

>>11009712
I would assume there would have been one. Assuming a partial gravity environment, it would have basically been a tube where you could jump up higher than you would be able to do even on the moon, float across the middle, and get captured/pulled down by the gravity of the other side (and a little bumping against the tube walls). Would have been a great way to make the time pass, for sure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:08:39 2019 No.11009735 >>11009721 >this post is sponsored by oldspace.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:09:09 2019 No.11009736 >>11009717 You hate him cause you aint him

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:11:12 2019 No.11009738 >>11009717 he just makes them go up where they come down... that's not his department

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:15:59 2019 No.11009745 File: 1.53 MB, 2278x1772, Damage_Caused_by_V2_Rocket_Attacks_in_Britain,_1945_HU88803.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009738 [Horst Wessel Lied intensifies]

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:19:31 2019 No.11009757 >>11009528 where's the legs though

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:26:45 2019 No.11009783 >>11009724 The numbers are in and they say you are an uninformed faggot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:28:50 2019 No.11009790 >>11009757 They probably go on tonight.

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:34:11 2019 No.11009804 NEW THREAD >>11009803

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:35:39 2019 No.11009809 >>11009804 no, not yet delete this immediately give it 12 hours

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:41:03 2019 No.11009828 >>11009804 I hate you

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:47:55 2019 No.11009848 Coffee will be expensive as fuck on Mars

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:49:44 2019 No.11009853 >>11009848 2200lb of coffee on Earth costs ~$2200 Elon gave the price to Mars of BFR as $140,000/ton. 2200lb of coffee will cost $142,200 on Mars.

Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:50:26 2019 No.11009857

>>11009848
good
fuck coffeefags
you get an extra hour of sleep on Mars for free anyway
>>11009783
end over end tethered masses at the edge like a bolo is a minimum energy state for a system, anon
it's stable
you can tell because it sweeps out the same shape as a torus over a revolution

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:50:42 2019 No.11009859 File: 15 KB, 363x563, 1492255072138.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>11009804 >page 3

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:51:21 2019 No.11009863 >>11009853 >come to Mars for space coffee >stay on Mars because you sold your spaceship for space coffee

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:52:51 2019 No.11009871 >>11009853 >$100 cups of coffee >>11009859 some fag in the gay thread asked about abort modes for Starship the answer is simple: you fire your engines and ride it out with dual-bell raptors, six engines should be enough to lift a laden Starship

>>	Anonymous Fri Sep 27 16:54:14 2019 No.11009876 >>11009871 tbf the economy tends to adjust, in the canadian arctic milk is like $20/gallon but you get paid out the fucking nose to work there so it evens out somewhat

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