/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.11005279]

Are bugs actually a more efficient source of protein than meat?

[Anonymous No.11005281]

>>11005279
She's 16 OR 18?

[Anonymous No.11005295]

>>11005279
still using a plastic bottle stopper, tranny
bug lives matter

[Anonymous No.11005312]

Concerning space yes, concerning fodder (picrelated), not really. Green is grain, then it's worms, chicken and pork. It's "kg grain per kg food"
Sauce: https://www.swissveg.ch/insekten

[Anonymous No.11005338]

>>11005312
I don't know why you posted that graph. Especially in german. What you are talking about is feed conversion efficiency. FCE. Expressed as a ratio, FCE is calculated as weight of food consumed for weight gained by animal. Chickens have a higher FCE than pigs, or so I was taught. So do rabbits.

Things get really weird when you look at things like crayfish, which, while improperly studied thusfar, had figures quoted by industry which were very close to 1:1.

[Anonymous No.11005340]

>>11005338
>Chickens have a higher FCE than pigs
Which is also shown in the graph.

[Anonymous No.11005372]

>>11005340
The german must be confusing me. I can't be bothered researching the FCE of bugs just now. Maybe later.

[Anonymous No.11005414]

>>11005279
Chinese don't have much muscle on them so I'd say not.

[Anonymous No.11005449]

>>11005281
16

[Anonymous No.11005451]

>>11005279
Look up something called trophic levels.
Every time you go up a rung on the food web you lose a lot.

[Anonymous No.11005452]

>>11005312
>nazi language
>>>/pol/

[Anonymous No.11005463]

>>11005312
Why isn't sort on that graph, I'm pretty sure eating dirt would be better for the environment.

On a side note if these shills actually gave a shit about the future they'd kill themselves and get turned into fertilizer, you can never offset your carbon emissions unless you do so.

[Anonymous No.11005891]

>>11005449
with a spade face

[Anonymous No.11005900]

>>11005279
Here comes Overton's window, watchout

[Anonymous No.11005902]

>>11005891
Ace of spades, best face in the house

[Anonymous No.11005909]

>>11005902
shut up. I vehemently feel sick when i see that thing; especially with her "riled up" emotional bs

[Anonymous No.11005925]

>>11005279
My cum is the most efficient, get on your knees and open wide.

[Anonymous No.11005957]

No, they're horribly inefficient. They're worse than cows all together. The most efficient protein source is chicken.

[Anonymous No.11005960]

>>11005281
>>11005449
Wait what? She’s 16? She looks like 12.

[Anonymous No.11005968]

>>11005960
vegan make u BIG an sTrOnG

[Anonymous No.11005972]

>>11005279
>>11005957
>>11005338
>>11005312
The most efficient source of protein is cow's milk. Pasturing rabbits is better, but isn't strictly viable and cow's milk ends up beating them out on the industrial level. Same with things like crayfish. I was surprised by snails being so high though. I bet slugs are far lower since they don't make shells, but I'm not finding info on that at all which is no surprise.

[Anonymous No.11005985]

>>11005972
>pic
I'm disappointed I can't find that image with the giant guinea pig bar on it for some odd reason... They have a better conversion rate for pasture grass than rabbits do. Peruvians love them and have huge farms for producing guinea pigs for meat.

[Anonymous No.11006859]

>>11005909
That's because you're narcissistic. She's just a kid who cares man. Cut her some slack.

[Anonymous No.11006863]

she has the same bottle I do yay
except mine is green

[Anonymous No.11006872]

>>11005972
And cows milk requires cows.

[Anonymous No.11006893]

>>11006859
Are you implying that I don't care? I am personally insulted when I see the praise given to this child who is so ignorant that she is ignorant of her own ignorance. Do you think I'm retarded?

[Anonymous No.11006901]

>>11005972
Any idea where sheeps milk fits in? I suppose it's complex to calculate and heavily breed dependent.
>>11006872
It's a little more complicated. The cows must birth offspring regularly to continue lactating. I'm not sure if this was factored into the figures. Producing the calf requires feed, and then if you don't terminate the calf immediately you have to feed the calf as well.

Data is never straightforward.

[Anonymous No.11006902]

>>11006893
Jealousy doesn't look good on you my dear.

[Anonymous No.11006912]

>>11006893
No. I am implying that you are the victim of a narcissistic emotional response. Narcissistic traits also prevent you from being capable of doing what she is doing. Maybe you could be the better person to fill her role but your narcissism prevents you.

[Anonymous No.11006913]

>>11006902
>>11006912
Oh. It is you who are retarded.

[Anonymous No.11006921]

>>11005463
that strategy only works if you kill the people who don't care first, which is certainly an option that should be considered

[Anonymous No.11006925]

>>11006913
Get help. Nobody likes having a narcissist around.

[Anonymous No.11006941]

>>11005279
no. and the carapace can't be digested by Caucasians and can cause internal damage.

[Anonymous No.11007026]

We would Fuck stuff up with bug farms and cause traffic hauling bugs to grocery store. The price of bugs would skyrocket and domestic lizards would go extinct.

[Anonymous No.11007059]

>>11006901
>>11006872
It is what it is. Feed to milk.

[Anonymous No.11007099]

anon who posted that chart is retarded. Doesn't give proteins/mass or anything.

[Anonymous No.11007110]

>>11007059
I need to look at the study used to produce that figure. As I stated above, producing milk is not as simple as feeding a cow. Do you know where I may access the study/studies?

Protein production efficiency is another important consideration. There is little need for animal products beyond their protein content.

[Anonymous No.11007118]

>>11007110
I think there's more than one study on the matter.

[Anonymous No.11008159]

>>11007118
Yes, I'm sure there is. Graphs are derived from data interpreted by an individual and are thus prone to flaws. I want to examine the data and more importantly how the data was conceived. Which factors were taken into account.

Graphs are nice to show people and convince them that what you are saying is true (even if it isn't). Some of us can actually disassemble data and cross-check it and point out flaws. Which upsets people. However it is a necessary step in validating studies.

[Anonymous No.11008162]

>>11005279
Seafood is the real meat killer. You can farm inland and with good feed.

[Anonymous No.11008164]

>>11005972
What exactly if FCR?

[Anonymous No.11008258]

>>11008164
Feed conversion ratio.

[Anonymous No.11008290]

>>11008258
So amount of food you put in divided by the amount of food you get out? How can this be less than one?

[Anonymous No.11008294]

>>11008290
It can't be. You can substitute feed types, pasture for example. FCR is an industry developed term for calculating the efficiency of any operation. It was developed for feedlots specifically. Formulated feeds are compared using animals of standard genetics. This is how feed suppliers compete.
This is why I am aprehensive about the data regarding milk. Most dairy cows are fed on intensive pasture with straw and silage used as well. To the best of my knowledge formulated feeds are not provided to dairy cattle and they certainly do not make up the majority of the beasts calorie intake.
I want to see the studies behind the charts.

[Anonymous No.11008302]

>>11005281
amerimutt
>>11005279
yes, %60-80 of their body is protein however forcing a bacteria or fungi to make amino acids for you will be much more efficent

[Anonymous No.11008311]

I really do hope we get more bug meat, I want to replace my milk-based protein shakes for something that doesn't make me braaap

[Anonymous No.11008322]

>>11005279
Efficient as in protein in/protein out? Slightly.
However the main climate benefit to eating bugs instead of ruminants in particular is that ruminants belch a lot of methane.

[Anonymous No.11008323]

>>11006893
>>11005909
Yeah, you have mental problems. Even if her being ignorant was a problem (it's not, since she relies on solid information) it's completely irrational for you to feel sick about her in particular, when our media and politics are full of old people who are not only ignorant but also dishonest and selfish.

Ignorance is probably just a pretext, I guess you hate her because she's putting your way of life into question.

[Anonymous No.11008328]

>>11007059
>feed/kg
Milk being mostly water, it's not surprising that it gets much better results than meat.

[Anonymous No.11008335]

>>11006872
Yes, so you derive your protein primarily from dairy you'll also have a bit of meat to eat because bulls and old cows will be slaughtered from time to time. If you eat nose to tail you could actually have a fair bit of meat that is actually just a byproduct of your primary protein farming activity.

The interesting thing is this shit had been figured out during the iron age already. Dairying is the most efficient protein production technique in a high latitude oceanic climate like northern europe has.

Soibeans and rice may be more efficient than dairy in a humid climate with warm summers, but not every region has that

[Anonymous No.11008349]

just like pic related, the Establishment uses teenagers because they're easy to brainwash but still engender protective feelings in adults

I'm so proud of whoever made this meme btw, they still mention it in mainstream news articles about deepfakes and fake news.

[Anonymous No.11008354]

>>11008349
It isn't necessarily they are easy to brainwash, it's that they are still capable of changing their beliefs, unlike neurotypical adults who have their beliefs set in stone. Adults will keep believing whatever they believed as teens or early adults, any evidence to the contrary will only strengthen their original belief be it free market or flat earth.

[Anonymous No.11008384]

>>11008354
>Adults will keep believing whatever they believed as teens or early adults
While it's true that evidence-based politics are less common among older people, there's a strong tendancy among them to become more conservative than they were.
Probably due to the fact that they invested time and energy into the current system and would lose some of it if it changes, and that they would have less of those to invest into a new system.

[Anonymous No.11008391]

>>11008384
>there's a strong tendancy among them to become more conservative than they were.
As the world keeps changing around them and they try to resist the change and stic to what they believed as teens. Old people in eastern Europe are often communist.

[Anonymous No.11008392]

>>11008384
>there's a strong tendancy among them to become more conservative than they were.
As the world keeps changing around them and they try to resist the change and stick to what they believed as teens. Old people in East Europe are often communist.

[Anonymous No.11008405]

>>11008335
But the cows bred for dairy are different from those bred for meat. Same with chickens who lay lots of eggs vs chickens who grow lots of meat.
I think, the big exception here is McDonald's which uses the "lesser quality" meat of the dairy cattle.

[Anonymous No.11008409]

Focusing on the quantity of protein in something is fucking stupid because it encourages people to live off one source protein. The only thing that matters is the amino acid ratio. If you just eat only bug protein, youll be lacking in amino acid benefits you wouldnt get from meat protein

[Anonymous No.11008410]

>>11006893
>Do you think I'm retarded?
Yes

[Anonymous No.11008428]

>>11005279

This kid isn't someone who genuinely thought about things, even at a 16-year old level. She is either wilfully ignorant or genuinely malevolent.

The cause she espouses is deliberately harmful.

https://www.peoplesdemands.org/

>no nuclear
>no biofuel
>no geoengineering
>no CCS
>no large-scale power (and therefore no heavy industry)
>unrealistic demands for decarbonisation

These people are the Maoists of the 21st century and will, if they take power, kill millions of people.

The alternative to coal-powered electricity in the third world is wood fires, which choke infants to death. The alternative to heavy industry is subsistance agriculture, which they perhaps desire but most do not.

The alternative to nuclear is renewables, which cannot supply reliable, cheap power to the industrialised world. France shows us that nuclear works. Germany shows us that renewables do not.

The alternative to geo-engineering is untempered climate change, which is the opposite of what they claim to want.

These people are far worse than global warming deniers, they actively seek to sabotage the most effective methods of dealing with the problem and impoverish millions of people at the same time.

This girl is the figurehead for one of the most dangerous movements of the 21st century.

[Anonymous No.11008453]

>>11008405
Doesn't mean you cant eat them. Sure you might not have the best marbling or texture but this thread is about eating bugs, and i would say tough old dairy cow steak >>>>>>>>>>> cricket patty

[Anonymous No.11008472]

>>11008428

Yeah and all that bullshit you have championed has served us so well to date. Why, to listen to you we are living in a pristine environment all perfectly balanced with nature and infinity sustainable. You fucktard.

[Anonymous No.11008488]

>>11008428
>https://www.peoplesdemands.org/

That fucking site. Nothing except for muh solar allowed, and pushing SJW bullshit on everyone. Why the fuck the only people who seem to care about climate change are these idiots who make climate denialists seem reasonable in comparison?

[Anonymous No.11008494]

>>11008428
>These people are the Maoists of the 21st century
Maoists turned china from a regularly starving country to what it is today.

[Anonymous No.11008496]

>>11005279
Eating meat is immoral anyway, and so is eating bugs. Go vegan

[Anonymous No.11008499]

>>11008428
Where the fuck did you find this petition and why do you keep posting it like it's relevant?

[Anonymous No.11008503]

>>11008494
China is capitalist since the economic reform, and that is where their successes come from, you retard.

[Anonymous No.11008506]

>>11005279
cuuuute

[Anonymous No.11008515]

>>11008503
China has never been capitalist, the "capitalist" corporations are still owned by the party. They turned away from capitalims since Trump was elected and the official line of the party is essentially "maoism, but we won't do things that obviously do not work."

[Anonymous No.11008524]

>>11008349

You realize that's a deepfake right?

[Anonymous No.11008531]

>>11008515
State capitalism is still capitalism.

[Anonymous No.11008532]

>>11008515
Yes, I am sure all the global corporations have their factories over there because they love Marx and Mao so much. You dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.11008556]

>>11008532
Which companies have factories there? In any case I don't think they care about ideology as long as they can make money.

>>11008524
The second paragraph might have hinted you he does.

[Anonymous No.11008566]

>>11008428
>The cause she espouses is deliberately harmful
>This girl is the figurehead for one of the most dangerous movements of the 21st century.

Well I looked for the connections between this peoplesdemands and this girl and found no direct link.
Seems like you're a shameless liar.

[Anonymous No.11008596]

>>11008515
We had a Chinese exchange student in Germany. He told me how surprised he was about our bridges and how well maintained they are (he doesn't know about the problems, but whatever).
He said, in China the state owned bridges are mostly crappy and if there is an especially crappy one, a private business will build one right next to it and charge everyone money who wants to cross it.

How is that not peak capitalist?

[Anonymous No.11008646]

>>11008556
shutup /pol/ faggot it's obviously a deepfake

[Anonymous No.11008657]

>>11008646
Are you retarded? Both the anon who posted it and the anonn you're replying to agree it is a deepfake.

[Anonymous No.11008660]

>>11008657

Don't worry about him, he hasn't had his monster energy drink yet

[Anonymous No.11008663]

>>11008646
What the hell. Are you drunk or seriously mentally handicapped?

[Anonymous No.11008671]

>>11008290
There's this thing called, "water," and evidently it weighs a fair amount and meat is evidently full of the stuff.

[Anonymous No.11008675]

>>11008159
>validating studies
Are you a complete moron? That can never be done with any study. kek

[Anonymous No.11008679]

>>11008646

[Anonymous No.11008681]

>>11008675
>blue wins
Take that conservitards

[Anonymous No.11008700]

>>11008159
You should also differentiate between "live weight" and "dressed weight." The dressed weight is usualyl just meat and bone after the animal is butchered. The FCR for that weight is normally 4-6 times worse than live weight. So a "10" for beef using live weight might be a "32" FCR for beef using dressed weight. Dressed weight is sometimes referred to as "edible" weight and various other terms.

Since several companies do their own reporting and meta research based off those that sample from different mixes of those reports, there's no one accepted FCR for any animal. This is normal simply because feed type, animal exercise, animal age, breed of animal, and a host of other variables can drastically change the FCR. It is the same level of "science" as you see for people on fad diets. No one can agree on hard numbers since those simply can't exist.

On the other hand, you can average everything and come out with a "this animal is better than that animal" for this type of stuff.

>>11005985
>>11005972
>I'm disappointed I can't find that image with the giant guinea pig bar on it for some odd reason...
This, like the low one for the rabbit is also a, "pasture cost factor," not strictly FCR. The FCR is more around 2.5 and below. It is slightly better than rabbit though. Various feed types let it range above and below this substantially.