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11000805 No.11000805 [Reply] [Original]

Why was/is this not being looked more into? I've seen nothing disproving the results of this paper:

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.3109/00048679609065010

No conspiracies, why isn't this taken seriously at all?

>> No.11000818

>>11000805

Buckshot.

>> No.11000845

>>11000818
?

>> No.11000856
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11000856

Why do transphobes constantly praise the extremely poor methodology of that study yet ignore the piles of research showing the benefits of transitioning for trans people?

>> No.11000865

>>11000856
Person has anorexia and wants to become skinny to be happy
>Therapist prescribes diet pills and tells them starving their body and harming their body is ok
>Gets arrested

Person has dysphoria and wants to become opposite gender to be happy
>Therapist prescribes hormone pills and mutilating one's genitals harming their body is ok
>totally fine

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>>11000865
>mutilating one's genitals harming their body
oxymoron

>> No.11000910

>>11000888
How is mutilation not harm? You're destroying a functioning organ irreparably.

>> No.11000916

>>11000910
People get destructive organs removed from themselves all the time. How is this any different, other than hurting your feelings for some reason?

>> No.11000923

>>11000916
Destructive? If it's perfectly healthy it's the opposite of destructive. Should people who believe they are a Cyclopes have an eyeball mutilated?

>> No.11000939

>>11000923
>Should people who believe they are a Cyclopes have an eyeball mutilated?
Are there studies that show that not only does a condition like that exist, but the treatment you suggested is helpful?

>> No.11000950
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>>11000805
The problem is that antipsychotics make you dumb

I think seroquel could help me, as someone with gender dysphoria who can't transition for a few reasons. The gender dysphoria actually has real consequences because i'm too ashamed to talk to anyone and make a professional network. But I also make straight As and can't risk chemical lobotomy. bad side effects too

>> No.11000957

>>11000910
We already practice circumcision, might as well mutilate it all the way. Better to fully amputate an organ than leave a half assed version, right?

>> No.11000959

>>11000957
Circumscision has been proven to cause irrevocable brain damage in newborns. That is also highly unethical.

>> No.11000979

>>11000950
false correlation
it's shown schizophrenia, specifically periods of psychosis cause brain damage not the anti-psychotics.

>> No.11000982

>>11000916
lol tranny logic is something else. they should just give you lobotomies desu

>> No.11000991

>>11000805
>taken seriously
Are you serious? Do you even know what a human is?

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>>11000805
>>11000982
Why not go back to /pol/ where you came from?

>> No.11002022

>N=1
>learning disability and history of behavioural issues and aggression (he was a tard basically)
>had "no insight into what a sex change would entail in practice"
>how he spoke in psychotherapy was contrasted with how "true transsexuals" describe their condition - he checked all the boxes for monosymptomatic delusion, not GID
>Authors suggest a possible differential diagnosis of schizophrenia

Yee I wonder why no one gives a fuck. It's not relevant.

>> No.11002054

>>11000856
You must be talking about the suicides and attempts at returning to their original gender.
Are you this tooker faggot people keep bringing up?

>> No.11002072

>>11000957
This is without a doubt the most jewish post I have ever read

>> No.11002075

This is /sci/. If you don't read scientific studies, go back to /pol/

>> No.11002081

Uhhh. Quantum biokenetic technology. That way it doesn't matter and you can be male or female of any species and change back too.

>> No.11002090

>>11000979
Citations please

>> No.11002093

>>11002075
You cherry pick studies and most of them are bullshit anyway. I've seen firsthand how you obfuscate clear data until it represents your chosen agenda.

You're a total fuckin idiot. A bitch to boot. And a parasite.

>> No.11002102

>>11002093
I didn't cherry pick anything, this right here is my second post in this thread. I only saw studies by the "let transgender people transition" faction. The "don't let them transition" faction just gives emotional non-arguments about "mutilation" but with no scientific foundation.

>> No.11002103

>>11002093
Also, insults don't really help prove your point. But I think besides hate you don't even have a point.

>> No.11002104

/pol/ niggers should be rounded up and gassed

>> No.11002110

Whatever. You cunts enjoy your faggot circlejerk. I'll continue shitting all over your trap recruitment threads and chortling the whole time.

Can't touch this. Empowering young men instead of convincing them to cut their nuts off is my goal. We are obviously in opposition.

Here I am again, making my point clear. There are better options than nutting yourself. I happily switch between ranting psych and reasonable logical debate.

Replicate your pseudoscientific studies you bag of cocks lmao. I spit on you. I piss and I shit on you.

You're welcome. Anytime.

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>>11002110
>Whatever. You cunts enjoy your faggot >circlejerk. I'll continue shitting all over >your trap recruitment threads and >chortling the whole time.

>Can't touch this. Empowering young >men instead of convincing them to cut >their nuts off is my goal. We are >obviously in opposition.

>Here I am again, making my point clear. >There are better options than nutting >yourself. I happily switch between >ranting psych and reasonable logical >debate.

>Replicate your pseudoscientific studies >you bag of cocks lmao. I spit on you. I >piss and I shit on you.

>You're welcome. Anytime.

>> No.11002114

>>11002103
Why don't you post some statistics from these studies claiming traps don't end up necking themselves. I don't want to raise their profile by giving them extra hits.

You bring the data in here and I will dissect it for you and point out how wrong it is. I've done it before and you deleted the thread.

I am amused.

>> No.11002116

>>11001011
>>11000856
take your pills, schizo

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11002127

Okay. Allow me to begin without you. Seeing as how you seem to have snuck away like the little bitch you are. Let us start at the top. Pic related.

This is the most flawed interpretation of the data possible. Should I explain why? Fuck it. I will anyway.

My interpretation of the data is that most traps suicide and the phase of transition at which they suicide is irrelevant.

You're moving numbers around and twisting logic to push an agenda. Give ne something more solid to tear to pieces. This isn't even a challenge.

Gonna delete this thread too? Fuck you're pathetic.

>> No.11002132

>>11000916
>destructive organs
in this case the destructive organ would be their brain

>> No.11002135

>>11000805
Don't cure this shit. We enjoy trannies

>> No.11002140

>>11002110
Yeah buddy, you sure saved the world with this beautiful prose here lol

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>>11000805
>>11000845

>Buckshot is the cure, he means suicide.

That being said, if it works it implies that you can cure or at least treat transgenderism and that would go against the general argument for being transgender (being Born in the wrong body)

I have quite a few trans friends, I don't think that they would take this shit, they don't consider themselves to be afflicted in any way. Personally I disagree, if you take medicine you have a mental disorder of some sort, I'm fine gendering them the way they want but I'm very dubious of their justification for not taking on the label of mental illness (I got ADHD and I'm labeled as mentally ill by everyone I know, also some of my trans friends want the government to cover the hormone therapy). My problem lies in treatment, if you treat something they got to be sick, it doesn't make them lesser people but I don't think ignoring it for "progressive" reasons is legitimate..

Any way who fucking cares, Im no tranny so I give zero shits what they do, as to them forcing their pronouns on you, well I think it undermines them because it really feels like some form of pity, at least for those that don't pass, I knew one at my old college that was just straight up a neckbeard, he was nice though he will never pass. I'm very tiered of this conversation though, it's such a waste of time, we have many genuine issues in this country and I think if people just compromise and used neutral pronouns it would be easier for everyone and would eventually lean in favor of trans people, nobody wants a compromise though so things will stay the same.


Launch the nukes.

>> No.11002155

>>11002140
How about this one then?
>>11002127
Both me. Still no data for me to tear apart.

>> No.11002158

>>11000805
>why isn't this taken seriously at all?
Because surgeons want to make money

>> No.11002162

>>11002135
i dont because they are fucking communist

>> No.11002163

>>11002162
I don't care what you think about my beloved trannies

>> No.11002171

>>11002141
>I have quite a few trans friends
This nigga have no friends

>> No.11002184

>>11002141
>I WANT TO KILL TRANNIES
>A few of my friends are trannies

>> No.11002197

>>11000979
Of course schizophrenia also has negative cognitive effects so if you treat it with antipsychotics that will be a net positive.
Not sure if there are many studies on antipsychotics in healthy people.
Here's one with monkeys that shows reduced brain mass:
>https://www.nature.com/articles/1300710
This one reports a decreased reaction time in humans but is inconclusive otherwise:
>https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0269881112466183

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>>11002171

Baseless.

if you live in California you will get to know a bunch of trannies just by going to college and not misgendering them.

>>11002184

Also I never said that, I want to launch the nukes because by enlarge the world is in a retarded stalemate between authoritarians and Libertarians, as well as the social conservatives and social liberals.

I'm pretty centrist so I don't like extremes, to me it seems it genuinely might be more conducive to the global conversation for us to just have WW3 and get a clear dire for the future because currently we're gonna die through attrition and overpopulation.

I don't care who wins, I just want someone to fucking win already.

>> No.11002202

>>11002199

Get clear direction*