/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10998433]

Will immortality be possible in my lifetime, /sci/?

[Anonymous No.10998437]

>>10998433

Only the rocks live forever.

[Anonymous No.10998438]

>>10998433
that guy is a stream of smoke

[Anonymous No.10998453]

>>10998433
only a fountain of youth would be worth it
fuck ageing forever

[Anonymous No.10998476]

>>10998433
kinda. CRISPR is already used for de-aging

what we could do is put our brains in "fish tanks" and do gene therapy on them to keep them alive forever. The problem is giving the brain stimuli and allowing it to interact with the outside world

we could try a simulation (ala, black mirror's virtual retirement home episode), or we could control android/cyborg avatars in the real world.


money is a factor tho. only rich people could live forever, and i really dont want some stockbrokers shitty kid have immortality...

[Anonymous No.10998484]

Even God has died, and all of us will one day no matter how much science forestalls it.

[Anonymous No.10998487]

>>10998433
Defeating aging? Maybe.
Immortality? Nope.

[Anonymous No.10998491]

>>10998487
This. Never get old, never get sick, still get hit by a bus one day.

[Anonymous No.10998496]

>>10998476
You are already in a fish tank, human.

[Anonymous No.10998517]

>>10998433

>Be no one of importance and do nothing make life worth living.

>Want to live forever because you cannot face the fact that you'd waste the finite life you have, but would TOTALLY be different if your life and time was less valuable.

Increased life expectancy slows down social change.

[Anonymous No.10998526]

>>10998517
no.u

[Anonymous No.10998560]

>>10998433
the shorter you are the better your chances.

[Anonymous No.10998568]

>>10998433
No. Even assuming you found a way to circumvent biological aging, you would eventually be killed by physical phenomenon. The Earth will not survive forever, it will eventually be destroyed by the Sun. And if you survive that, then eventually all the material producing stars will run out and all the stars, even red dwarfs, will eventually burn out, and you face the prospect of living in a universe with nothing but black holes moving away from eachother at greater than the speed of light. And if you survive the trillions of years of that, eventually the atoms in your body will start moving away from eachother as space expands as well. Eventually you will either be deseintegrated or the Universw will collapse back into a single infinitely dense point.

Nothing lasts forever.

[Anonymous No.10998573]

>>10998560
How to get shorter

[Anonymous No.10998578]

>>10998433
No
Cryogenic freezing is the only answer
kek

[Anonymous No.10998609]

>>10998578
>Cryogenic freezing
Is a meme.

[Anonymous No.10998617]

>>10998433
I suspect so. How much you got?

[Anonymous No.10998621]

>>10998617
I'm 27 so at least 40 years

[Anonymous No.10998677]

>>10998609
Exactly

[Anonymous No.10998716]

>>10998433
No and what idiot wants to live forever? You'd get bored as fuck, the population of the Earth would be ridiculous, and all sorts of wars would happen. Stupid idea.

[Anonymous No.10998726]

>>10998716
You say that now... faggot.... no... not, "why the homophobia?... you are a complete faggot with the power of youth on your side.... but, you don't know what you have till you don't have it anymore.

[Anonymous No.10998734]

Even if it was I wouldn’t want it
Fearing death is for the atheists

[Anonymous No.10998737]

>>10998560
tfw 177 cm...still considered short by many but don't get the benefits of longevity...fml

[Anonymous No.10998911]

>>10998578
>>10998609
>>10998677
whoops u guys just spoke too soon, i just invented it
>>10998796

[Anonymous No.10998920]

>>10998617
>>10998911
Nailed it!

[Anonymous No.10999182]

>>10998560
But is it worth a mediocre eternity as a manlet over a ephemeral bright life as lanklet?

[Anonymous No.10999230]

>>10998568
You must be fun at parties.

[Anonymous No.10999233]

Only via genetic engineering.

[Anonymous No.10999243]

Only via transhumanism aka becoming a cyborg

[Anonymous No.10999245]

>>10999243
>becoming a cyborg
That's centuries away

[Anonymous No.10999248]

>>10999245
No? It’s already here, tons of people have robotic limbs that are attached directly to the nervous system
Biology is too complex and confusing. Likely immortality with robotics comes first, then we discover the clusterfuck of natural computing called biology

[Anonymous No.10999260]

>>10998433
biological immortality is extremely unlikely because aging isn't a magical process that can be wholly reversed. it may be possible to extend human life to, say, twice its current length, but there are thousands of implicit biological constraints on lifespan (not to mention quality of life once you live that long)

[Paja !!9My0cgAwLAB No.10999275]

>>10998433
There is no such a thing as aging.

People started using zinc oxide as "the philosopher's stone" which turned copper into "gold". (brass)

The zinc started replacing other metals from the body, chiefly cobalt and copper.

Everyone died.

Eventually people learned it's completely normal to die.

Scientists made a (completely understandable) mistake when they studied essential metals and included zinc in place of cobalt.

We keep dying to this day.

[Anonymous No.11001417]

>>10999275
Based

[Anonymous No.11001460]

Your fragile mon'keigh brain couldn't handle living past a 100 or so. Even if it was kept in good physical condition. You would start forgetting more and more of your early life. Like how people have poor memories of their childhood.

Eventually your going to loose memories that form your mental self. Leading to imposter syndrome.

[Anonymous No.11001463]

>>11001460
Eldar please go

[Anonymous No.11001497]

>>10998560
>tfw right around that range
Guess 5 more extra years if those haven't already been cut. How badly does sleep deprivation cut lifespan?

[Anonymous No.11001500]

>>11001460
I already have that and I'm 33

[Anonymous No.11001530]

>>11001460
How can you be an impostor if that's who you always were? You'll always forget something, so what changes now aside from forgetting a little bit of details 100 years ago?

[Anonymous No.11001576]

>>11001530
Could you handle not knowing why you are you?

[Anonymous No.11001578]

>>11001576
I do everyday.

[Anonymous No.11001803]

>>10998433
there might be life extension with major breakthroughs.

currently we just follow Gods plan. modern medicine makes it possible for more people to reach their 50s and beyond, but at that point you're better off dead cause the quality of life will drop dramatically

>>10998560
tfw 5.8
i am immortal

>>10999275
nigger

>>10998716
>you'll get bored
only when you're an idiot without a personality or any passions whatsoever
then you're bored from the moment you're born

[Anonymous No.11001997]

>>10998433
I put it at basically coin-flip odds that I live for at least 200 years. Ideally I'd live until the heat death of the universe, but IDK how likely that is. Currently, non-aging causes of death would give you about a 700-year half-life for a random unlucky event like a car crash to kill you, but once biological immortality is a thing, people would hopefully start getting a lot more safety-conscious. Still, my body is too fragile for truly long-term survival, so digitising myself is really the only option. I'd probably want to spread my consciousness out over many nodes of computing so that there's not one meter-sized thing that my life hinges on. Once the stars die and there's only power for running computers at super slow speeds, there's no real danger to me anymore, so I just need to play my cards right for about 100 trillion years. How hard can it be?

[Anonymous No.11002002]

>>11001460
>implying that's bad
I'd fucking love to forget all about my childhood and teenage years. It'd be a fucking blessing

[Anonymous No.11002010]

>>11002002
It might bother me to not remember 99.999% of my million-year life, or to not feel like the same person as 1000 years ago, but I can't imagine ever wanting to end my life over it.

[Anonymous No.11002047]

>>10998433
It already is.

Take the savedpill:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDEBz25lGdY

[Anonymous No.11002050]

>>11002002
kek
i thought i'd never forget the mk ultra junk memory i had
then new stuff happened and completely erased any resentment i ever had

[Anonymous No.11002052]

>>10998433
I can't lie to you about your chances, but you have my sympathies.

[Anonymous No.11002105]

>>11002047
Not him, but I am a believer studying to prolong the human lifespan.

Everyone dies, yes, but the flesh would serve as a better temple if it could last a bit longer.

[Anonymous No.11002109]

>>10998560
This is obvious, the same goes for pretty much all species on Earth and applies to stars as well.

[Anonymous No.11002466]

>>10998433
Maybe, but your only chance of accessing it will be to become a billionaire or be one of the scientists that develop the technology. Normies will all die.

[Anonymous No.11003949]

>>10998433
At this point he should just shave his beard and change is name to Aubrey DeYoung, at least then it seems like he's doing something.

[Anonymous No.11004447]

>>11003949
kek

[Anonymous No.11004488]

>>10998433
Nowhere near possible

[Anonymous No.11004499]

You are already immortal, retard. It's called having a soul.

[Anonymous No.11004521]

>skinny autist starves himself
This is not a step towards immortality it's fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.11004541]

>>11004499
>having a soul.
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.11005351]

>>11002466
This, only the rich will benefit from this tech when its invented

[Anonymous No.11005520]

>>11004541
this

[Anonymous No.11006591]

>>11005351
kys

[Anonymous No.11007243]

>>10998433
>Will immortality be possible in my lifetime, /sci/?

No.

[Anonymous No.11008205]

>>11007243
Why not?

[Anonymous No.11008240]

>>10998433
Only if it's not a problem for you anyway.

[Anonymous No.11008262]

>>10998437
not even those

[Anonymous No.11008263]

>>10998491
a flying* bus. Its the future

[Anonymous No.11008264]

>>10998568
and then it all restarts. I still get the chills when i try to imagine how many times this has happened already

[Anonymous No.11008266]

>>10998734
or for people with IQ that fluctuates between brainlet and semi-smart values

[Anonymous No.11008267]

>>10999248
you still have to find a way to protect the brain. The longer it lives, the more chances for it to get deceased

[Anonymous No.11008287]

Only when we find a way to upload our minds. It will be possible in the year 2045.

[Anonymous No.11008350]

>>11008266
Just like Von Neumann right? Considering the fear of death related to intelligence is stupid.

[Anonymous No.11008367]

>>11008350
This is the deal Jews make. They get to be the cleverest and most successful people on earth but they have to fear death. Not that I don't myself fear death tremendously but every biography of a Jewish intellectual or scientist reveals their neurotic fear of death, we'll beyond those of European or Asian intellectuals.

[Anonymous No.11008380]

>>10998437
Not really. Even rocks break down over time and become part of the never ending cycle of things. Even rocks die "in a way".

[Anonymous No.11008388]

>>11008287
That will be a copy and not you. Congratulations, you're dead and a copy of you without a soul exists. It's too bad the (You) that wanted to be alive forever doesn't get to see that and only an artificial clone does.

[Anonymous No.11008389]

>>11008380
Living for thousands of years is still better than living less than a century, half of that being too ill to live.

[Anonymous No.11008470]

>>11008388
Depends on the method

[Anonymous No.11008557]

>>11008470
elaborate

[Anonymous No.11008696]

>>10998560
That's 5 to 8 years more of being a manlet

[Anonymous No.11010629]

>>11002047
cringe

[Anonymous No.11010633]

>>10998560
>tfw immortal

[Anonymous No.11010681]

>>11008557
Ship of Theseus

[Anonymous No.11011548]

>>10998433
if death did not exist then man would have to invent it. not enough room on this rock and this would end up really fuck up what little we have now

[Anonymous No.11011555]

>>10998560
tfw 167.5cm tall and weighing at 63.5kg.

[Anonymous No.11011652]

>>11011555
fatso
176cm 61kg there

[Anonymous No.11011656]

>>11011555
>>11011652
I didn't know there were so many people who can't build muscle

[Anonymous No.11011661]

>>11011656
That's 140lbs at being 5'5" if you didn't understand the proper measurements. I DO HAVE MUSCLE, I actually work out on a regular basis. I'm just very lean with it and not going for a "bodybuilder" with bulk mass. I just keep myself in shape and desire to be thinner with tight muscles focused on my speed and agility instead of power. But I'm sure I could still break your jaw with a quick right.

[Anonymous No.11011676]

>>10998560
tfw 179cm @73kg, guess I'm okay with this height now.

[Anonymous No.11011679]

>>10998433
But man-machine hybrids will retain a biological component derived from human beings only as long as the human-derived biological component remains useful. When purely artificial components become available that provide a better cost-versus-benefit balance than human-derived biological components do, the latter will be discarded and the man-machine hybrids will lose their human aspect to become wholly artificial. Even if the human-derived biological components are retained they will be purged, step by step, of the human qualities that detract from their usefulness. The self-prop systems to which the man-machine hybrids belong will have no need for such human weaknesses as love, compassion, ethical feelings, esthetic appreciation, or desire for freedom. Human emotions in general will get in the way of the self-prop systems' utilization of the man-machine hybrids, so if the latter are to remain competitive they will have to be altered to remove their human emotions and replace these with other motivating forces. In short, even in the unlikely event that some biological remnants of the human race are preserved in the form of man-machine hybrids, these will be transformed into something totally alien to human beings as we know them today.

[Anonymous No.11011681]

>>10998433
The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

[Anonymous No.11011685]

>>10998433
The techies may answer that even if almost all biological species are eliminated eventually, many species survive for thousands or millions of years, so maybe techies too can survive for thousands or millions of years. But when large, rapid changes occur in the environment of biological species, both the rate of appearance of new species and the rate of extinction of existing species are greatly increased. Technological progress constantly accelerates, and techies like Ray Kurzweil insist that it will soon become virtually explosive; consequently, changes come more and more rapidly, everything happens faster and faster, competition among self-prop systems becomes more and more intense, and as the process gathers speed the losers in the struggle for survival will be eliminated ever more quickly. So, on the basis of the techies' own beliefs about the exponential acceleration of technological development, it's safe to say that the life-expectancies of human-derived entities, such as man-machine hybrids and human minds uploaded into machines, will actually be quite short. The seven-hundred year or thousand-year life-span to which some techies aspire is nothing but a pipe-dream.

[Anonymous No.11011696]

>>10998433
Imagine living long enough to see the sun evaporating the inner solar system.

[Anonymous No.11012377]

>>10999248
>Likely immortality with robotics comes first
Not in our lifetimes

[Anonymous No.11016248]

>>10998433
>Will immortality be possible in my lifetime, /sci/?

No.

anyone who discovers immortality will be assassinated by all the billionaires in the world simultaneously, as they try to steal the secret for themselves in order to play "God of the earth"

So, researching immortality is basically a form of death wish.

[Anonymous No.11016278]

>>11010633
>>11011555

the bigger you are the easier it is to rape and defile the small and weak.
sure I may die early but I'll have raped many villages in my youth.
you're boi pussy is mine. not that im gay, I just want to show you how pathetic you are, and it'll be like that until I die, so don't worry not long, but then my sons will rape you and so on until there is no end. you live in hell, my friend.
>>11016248
discover super survivability first. keep it secret, destroy it.
destroy your work that is dangerous, but only you can know.

[Anonymous No.11016329]

>>11016278
>discover super survivability first.

already two steps ahead of you.

[Anonymous No.11017150]

>>10998476
This, CRISPR is our only hope

[Anonymous No.11017257]

>>10998433
>Become immortal
>A decade passes
>Get stuck underground in a cramped pitch black enclosure either by accident or by a cruel individual.
>Left only with your thoughts to keep you company for millions, if not billions of years.
>tfw you regret immortality.

[Anonymous No.11018117]

>>10998433
Hope not, I want to die

[Anonymous No.11018283]

>>11016278
ur gay

[Anonymous No.11018975]

>>10998517
>Increased life expectancy slows down social change.
Fuck you, leftist scum.
I hope I live long enough to see your kind rounded up and tortured as happened in Chile in '73.

[Anonymous No.11018977]

>>11018117
Why?
How do you overcome your fear of death?
I've been struggling with some pretty debilitating death anxiety lately so I'd appreciate any help.

[Anonymous No.11019124]

>>10998476
Good post.

[Anonymous No.11019194]

>>10998560
Extreme manlet cope. Enjoy living out your extra years not getting laid just like the rest of your life.

[Anonymous No.11019357]

>>10998517
>>10998517
>Increased life expectancy slows down social change.

no, mortality does. spend half of life educating yourself just to die. think about the person that could learn for 100 years.

[Anonymous No.11019363]

Guys, how likely is it that we will find a way to defeat aging/death?

My life is pretty shit and the only cope I have is hoping that I live long enough to live forever.

[Anonymous No.11020080]

>>11019363
It’s possible but not in our lifetimes

[Anonymous No.11020112]

Why does this guy remind me so much of Varg Vikernes?

[Anonymous No.11020123]

>>11005351
The people who parrot this line are retards.

Death has always been the great leveller. Rich or poor, everyone dies. When you're dirt poor it is a great comfort to know that the rich are just as mortal as you. Take that consolation away and people will start breaking out the guillotines for French Revolution 2.0

[Anonymous No.11020157]

>>11019363
life extension doesn't turn you into a new person, it perpetuates you and your shitness. dating a 18 year old as a 1000 year old wouldn't be the same as reliving your 18 year old self. if you didn't get the right experiences during the right time, then there is no way of getting it back.

and i imagine that peoples standards would evolve into something completely different because everything about it is dehumanizing. it would be like the effect smartphones and social media had in dehumanizing people, but much more aggravated. basically everything in society is tied to the fact that people age

[Anonymous No.11020164]

>>10998433
>Will immortality be possible in my lifetime, /sci/?
Do we have any proofs that we actually died? No... Maybe we are already immortal.

>>10999243
>Only via transhumanism aka becoming a cyborg

DNA is a way more stable than silicon. The transhumanism bullshit is a meme at best.

[Anonymous No.11020172]

>>11018977
Know that death is the goal. Know that you desire death more than anything else in life, for that is the only thing that is real, that is concrete, that unites you with the truth, ending all lies. The anxieties you feel are because you are scared to have not lived a life of meaning, for you don't want to die with panic and pain, which is good. People relegate their only fear and worry to be death, but if you remain anxious about death, without resolving how you feel about it, haven't you lived an anxious life? It doesn't work one way or the other, both have to hold meaning till your existence comes to resolve fully and totally.

Live a life of honesty and peace. Try to learn everything, and teach what you believe to be true. Know what you believe is enough and that will set you free of any worries you hold. Die carrying the truth and you will remain immortal, till the truth fulfills itself.

[Anonymous No.11020669]

Hopefully as soon as possible. Fuck aging, fuck death, and fuck "its boring" and overpopulation excuses.

[Anonymous No.11020718]

>>11018117
There's always the rope, anon. You can do that right now.

[Anonymous No.11022319]

>>11018975
Based and freedompilled.

[Anonymous No.11023560]

>>11019363
50/50 chance we discover immortality in the next 20 years.

[Anonymous No.11025033]

>>10998433

Like through tech? It will be for some, maybe even many. If people get their shit together it can be for all. Many are doing this, but others make this work difficult.

[Anonymous No.11025073]

>>10998433
nope and it will never be, even if it somehow does happen goyim won't be allowed to be immortal.

[Anonymous No.11025078]

>>10998568
Whoops! In the year 3019 Scientists just discovered that M-Theory is true! And that transuniversal travel is possible, Entropy BTFO! Have fun being dead while I live an uncountably infinite lifetime!

[Anonymous No.11025081]

>>10998716
You only think you’ll be bored because of the various human coping stories about not having immortality. You never live in the ”future”. You always live now. Do you want to die now? Would you protest being shot right now?

[Anonymous No.11025100]

>>10998433
I Don't like the argument that only the rich will be allowed to be immortal. Western nations spend a lot of money on healthcare for older people and on their retirement fund. Replacing those with cheaper anti-ageing therapy is a no brainer for the government. Thus we can safely expect that this technology will be given to use by the government as soon as it becomes cheaper than rent/universal healthcare.

[Anonymous No.11025175]

>>11025100
The only hope is that it comes sooner than full automation.

[Anonymous No.11026557]

>>10998560
immortal

[Anonymous No.11026605]

>>11020669
Based.

[Anonymous No.11026614]

>>11020669
imagine reading the same shit about climate change and IQ threads on /sci/ for eternity. yeah nah

[Anonymous No.11026942]

>>11019363
>my life is pretty shit
>i cope with it by hoping it will continue into perpetuity
???

[Anonymous No.11028098]

understand the flesh then replenish to live forever.

[Anonymous No.11028437]

>>11026557
Free Destiny

[Anonymous No.11029391]

>>11011679
>>11011681
>>11011685
based Ted poster

[Anonymous No.11029928]

>>11019363
Likely to find a way to increase lifespan but not immortality

[Anonymous No.11031266]

>>11026942
why is his life shit? because of bad genes (weak and/or ugly body) and/or bad environment in the first formative decades. Once you're 30 it's over, you're too old to change much. Defeat aging and that stops being true, you can make your life better even while being 80.

[Anonymous No.11031358]

>>11028437
destiny's actually taller than most people that call him a manlet
pretty funny

[Anonymous No.11032364]

>>11028098
You make it sound so simple

[Anonymous No.11033238]

>>11011661
I have so many friends who use this excuse. “Oh I don’t want to be all muscular, I totally could if I wanted to though. I’m going for like, the runner look. Yeah that’s it.” lol @ u

[Anonymous No.11033361]

>>10998433
>Will immortality be possible in my lifetime
Yes, if you were immortal.

[Anonymous No.11034230]

>>11028437
kek

[Anonymous No.11034341]

>>11025100
not comparable at all