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Spaceflight General /sfg/ Anonymous Tue Sep 17 09:55:35 2019 No.10980443 [Reply] [Original]

Droid Junkyard on Tatooine Edition

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1173872132880662528

Launch Schedule: https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/

Old Thread: >>10975679

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 09:58:42 2019 No.10980450
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>>10980443
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1173873599205134337

Area 51 of Area 51

Starship Texas livestreams here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDOpyUmfL4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy7bjxXpJdc

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:01:11 2019 No.10980453 put the /sfg/ in front next time, youre triggering my autism

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:04:54 2019 No.10980462 File: 868 KB, 1208x614, LRO Chandrayaan 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] As per NSF posts, we should be getting some high res Chandrayaan lander shots today, from LRO flyby. Guess how many pieces will it be in?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 10:27:34 2019 No.10980483 File: 81 KB, 466x486, 1561337435741.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] SPACE LAUNCH SYSTEM ORION JAME WEB SPACE TELESCOPE NONE WILL EVERY FLY!

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:54:15 2019 No.10980610 File: 2.39 MB, 3300x4434, eqPlYyH.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sometimes reddit makes worthwhile OC

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:55:55 2019 No.10980613 >>10980610 >user has been banned for this post

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 11:57:08 2019 No.10980616 >>10980462 >Guess how many pieces will it be in? There will be neither pieces nor a debris field visible. That will feed the nutjobs for weeks.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:06:49 2019 No.10980640
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-musk-lawsuit-idUSKBN1W12BP
>“I did not intend to accuse Mr. Unsworth of engaging in acts of pedophilia,” said Musk, who grew up in Pretoria. “In response to his insults in the CNN interview, I meant to insult him back by expressing my opinion that he seemed like a creepy old man.”
oh boy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:11:48 2019 No.10980649 >>10980483 Elon will tote JWST for them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:12:49 2019 No.10980651 >>10980610 I chortled.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:18:13 2019 No.10980655 >>10980610 MARS IS OUT THERE.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:18:14 2019 No.10980656

>>10980483
Your hatred for SLS and Orion is well founded, but give JWST a chance. It's a project that has real scientific goals rather than being congressional pork. At the very least shit on northrup 'screws loose' grumman. It's pretty goddamn hard to make an IR telescope. You gotta keep shit cold otherwise the telescope itself GLOWS at the wavelengths you wanna look at. And keeping shit cold was a big source of delays, the cryocooler made by *ahem* northrup grumman was delayed quite a bit. b-b-bbut something else could launch sooner you say because starship and muh private telescope. None are being planned or constructed right now. So because it's still difficult to design and build an IR telescope it won't be ready in time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:21:28 2019 No.10980666 >>10980656 JSWT is the worst spending overrun in history of NASA. $500 million "low-cost" telescope that was to be launched in 2007 became $10 billion dollar project that won't launch until 2021 at the earliest.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 12:29:09 2019 No.10980682 File: 51 KB, 702x336, Richard-Shelby-702x336.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reddit doesn't have Shelby posting though, how can they possibly support AMERICANS

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:35:46 2019 No.10980793 >>10980682 I saw a shitpost about depots the other day.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 13:36:34 2019 No.10980796 >>10980656 Starship enables monolithic 7 or 8 meter telescopes

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:19:16 2019 No.10980863

The Air Force will bring a satellite to Defcon to let people find exploits so they can improve satellite security.

>“What we’re trying to achieve is to help industry see that, actually, there is value in learning about potential risks, that good-faith research can be something really helpful,” says Cooper, who applauds the Air Force for its relative openness to the security community. “The difficulty is linking up those doing good-faith research with the actual risk-owner of the system.”
https://www.wired.com/story/air-force-defcon-satellite-hacking/

Sounds like a good idea.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:23:01 2019 No.10980875 >>10980682 >>10980793 You have to go the fuck back

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:28:57 2019 No.10980887 >>10980875 but I've been here all summer

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:36:59 2019 No.10980901

>>10980666
>>10980796

IR is a dumb meme, big optical is where it's at. Who gives a shit about deep field BS, we need a multi-kilometer wide interferometer at one of the Lagrange points made of a couple dozen monolithic mirrors the size of those from the Giant Magellan Telescope.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:37:43 2019 No.10980903 >>10980875 Make me

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:38:09 2019 No.10980904 >>10980656 No IR, more visible spectrum. Let's go planet hunting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:39:27 2019 No.10980909 >>10980904 near-IR and near-UV are both important for characterizing exoplanets Luvior is simultaneously too ambitious and too restrained, just go for some really fucking big dumb telescopes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 14:46:43 2019 No.10980923 >>10980901 >I can see your house from here

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:01:57 2019 No.10980951 >>10980443 what an absolute fucking picture

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:18:23 2019 No.10980976 So someone on NSF brought up an interesting point. The hyper-transparent nature of Starship development is basically telling everyone from Blue Origin to China "this is how to build a Starship, BYO engines". Chinkship when?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:21:20 2019 No.10980985 >>10980443 Elon says big thing in the center of the pic is landing leg frame. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1174000362312757249

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:22:49 2019 No.10980990 >>10980985 There appear to be 5 or 6 there, any bets on whether it's more legs, or two frames per leg? Or maybe three frames per lower leg, and the upper fixed leg is just bolted on?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:30:25 2019 No.10981005 >>10980901 This is hot

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:38:00 2019 No.10981017

>>10980976
all depends on how fast the chinks can get their thieving hands on blueprints of starship's engines to copy it.

Only positive out of this is that when china starts shitting out a fleet of starship like rockets the US&the rest of the world has no other choice then to start catching up, and first step in that would be finaly cleaning up "old space"

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:39:12 2019 No.10981018
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A week old but very interesting article based on comments from Jim Logan, former NASA flight surgeon.

The safest bet for space settlers? Would you believe it’s inside Mars’ moon Deimos?

https://www.geekwire.com/2019/safest-bet-space-settlers-believe-inside-mars-moon-deimos/
The larger point is, you really want full 1g rotational gravity AND access to plentiful local resources for radiation shielding and other things. These are usually mutualy exclusive points. Martian moons are the closest place where both are possible.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:41:20 2019 No.10981021

>>10981017
But you don't even need to copy Raptor. Just slap your own engines in and rescale the tankage appropriately. Blue could build a BE-4 Starship copy. China could build an absolute fucking meme UDMH Starship. The beauty of Starship's design is ridiculous modularity and simple construction.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:42:34 2019 No.10981025

>>10981017
>inb4 the US drops harsh tariffs on China to stop them from developing their own space force and thus continuing the rein of oldspace
Spaceflight is expensive as hell. I can totally see the US trying to hold everyone back to stop itself from having to spend more money on space.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:45:24 2019 No.10981031 >>10981017 even if they get engine schematics, the metallurgy will be beyond them ULA had the same problem when they purchased the engine design of the RD-180, they couldn't make a material that could resist the hot oxygen rich environment

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:45:28 2019 No.10981033 >>10981018 Phobos and Deimos should be yeeted into Mars ASAP.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:46:51 2019 No.10981036

>>10980976
What's special about Starship is in the materials of the engines and the heat shields.
But most importantly: SpaceX lead is in flight control software plus, I'd imagine, a bunch of people who have become really experienced at reusable flight.
They can slap one raptor and a couple of old mismatched RCS on a water tower and do a controlled flight in months.
China can't even hang fireworks from a string in a controlled manner.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:49:32 2019 No.10981039 >>10981031 They do not need to copy the Raptor, Starship is a viable concept even with a simple gas generator engine. Just increase size a bit to compensate.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:50:04 2019 No.10981040
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>>10981031
>ULA had the same problem when they purchased the engine design of the RD-180

>"We will pay you a 50 million dollars to see how your magic engines work!"
>"Well crap, it just says "It's magic" right there."

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:51:29 2019 No.10981042 >>10981040 >shit, our stainless steel is on fire HOW DO YOU EVEN DO THAT

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:51:46 2019 No.10981044

>>10981036
Starship can put 100t+ in orbit reusable. You can downgrade that by half and still have a reusable HLV. The Norks could probably put 20t in orbit with a Dear Leader's Glorious Starcruiser Juche powered by SCUD engines. The control software is the hard part, but outsourcing software to India works just fine for Boeing. Mostly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:53:19 2019 No.10981048 >>10981042 >ULA can't get a domestic RD-180 working for billions of dollars >SpaceX casually develops a FFSC methalox engine from scratch

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:54:28 2019 No.10981050 >>10981021 >The beauty of Starship's design is ridiculous modularity and simple construction. Details?

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:55:11 2019 No.10981053

>>10981039
Starship without rapid reusability is kinda pointless. Also harder if your engines don't throttle well, I'd imagine.
Oh since you're gonna be putting a hundred engines on your rocket, you also need an engine control system that is a bit less... communist... than the N1's.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:56:18 2019 No.10981056 >>10981040 >>10981048 Didn't Aerojet finally get the metallurgy working in their AR1?

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:58:18 2019 No.10981064

>>10981050
It's made out of steel rings in a field in Texas. The only aerospace grade parts are the engines and avionics. Even the Norks can copy the basic shape and design of Starship. You'd get a lot less payload out of it, but it would be a reusable HLV at Nork tech levels.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 15:58:46 2019 No.10981066 File: 103 KB, 601x665, 1458399169720.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981021 >China could build an absolute fucking meme UDMH Starship.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:04:53 2019 No.10981078 >>10981064 The avionics technically aren't aerospace grade Elon used off the shelf electronics, with multiples to get redundancy

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:10:32 2019 No.10981089 >>10981053 Raptor helps but is not needed for rapid reusability. Really, nothing about the Starship concept requires very advanced technology. We could have built the ships back in the 60s if we only had the sense.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:23:49 2019 No.10981117
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>>10981089
We needed 50 years of expendable kerosene rockets making space prohibitively expensive and inaccessible, and another 5 years of low reusability kerosene rockets, to show us the brilliance of methalox

please give SpaceX the credit they deserve for their vision and hard work

arriving at the right answer(reusable methalox) is one thing but understanding WHY is better

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:24:11 2019 No.10981122 NASA should attach sails to an asteroid and move it to an Earth Moon Lagrange Point.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:30:34 2019 No.10981132 Couple clarifications from elon on twitter regarding the OP pic, that thing up front is a landing leg frame

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:31:35 2019 No.10981137

>>10980976
Isn't this technically the point though? Say everyone tries to compete the spaceX on starship. It immediately legitimizes spaceX further more. And everyone is behind SpaceX.

Merlin, Falcon Heavy, Dragon life support. Everything in terms of previous experience is the culmination in starship it's not an obvious goal.

Which by extension means that any other developer would not have the same kit to do this better then spaceX. Maybe later. But even if they did do better then SpaceX, we still get our space economy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:31:39 2019 No.10981138 >>10981122 NASA? Ambitious low-cost high-yield missions? You should be jailed for suggesting such a thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:46:25 2019 No.10981169 >>10981018 I watched his presentation about it a couple of years ago. This dude should be involved in approving habitats for space colonies.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:47:28 2019 No.10981173 >>10981138 >Low cost Do you know how large those sails would need to be?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:48:15 2019 No.10981176 >>10981025 China established their space force in2015. Its one of the main reasons the US is making its own space force.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:53:44 2019 No.10981192 >>10981173 For one, "an asteroid" is incredibly nonspecific concerning size. For two, mylar is very lightweight and very inexpensive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:55:38 2019 No.10981197 >>10980640 fucking lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:56:41 2019 No.10981199 >>10980901 This is a good idea, do this

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 16:58:15 2019 No.10981205 >>10980990 Multiple frames per leg for sure, otherwise they'd be way too small to make sense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:12:32 2019 No.10981228 >>10980443 all the welders need to stage themselves having a smoke while building this, the trolling potential is too rich,

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:23:22 2019 No.10981240 https://youtu.be/66U56mp5Cg0

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:33:14 2019 No.10981268 Turns out virgin orbit may be the winner of the small launch market. Their flexibility has gotten them the backing of the UK and US militaries.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:33:36 2019 No.10981270 >>10981066 You know that'd be hot AF.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:35:04 2019 No.10981272 >>10981268 they need to get to orbit first lol

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:37:30 2019 No.10981276 >>10981270 Right up until they pull an N1 and the damn thing explodes. There's a point where there's too much hypergolic fuel on the pad, and Proton is about the limit before it becomes too much.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:37:57 2019 No.10981277 >>10981268 >virgin orbit vs chad trans-martian injection

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 17:49:30 2019 No.10981299 >>10981272 True, who knows when they will start launching. It feels like they are squandering their potential.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:14:34 2019 No.10981356

>>10980796
big telescopes are still complicated even when they are monolithic
>>10980904
>>10980901
IR lets you figure out what's in the atmosphere of exoplanets. Molecules shake around at about IR frequencies.
>>interferometer
It's been proposed before, just look up the Darwin Infrared Space Interferometry Mission from 2000. 19 years later there are still lots of technical challenges that need to be addressed. Very precise formation flight and figuring out the distance between satellites are still big problems. This recent roadmap calls for demonstrating a formation flying interferometer by the end of the decade:
arxiv.org/abs/1907.09583
oh yeah and formation flying interferometers might need their own propellant depot.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:17:10 2019 No.10981364

>"Today, we were notified by the US Air Force that there is a 5.6% chance that Genesis II will collide with dead Russian satellite Cosmos 1300 in 15 hours. Although this is a relatively low probability, it brings to light that low Earth orbit is becoming increasingly more"
Bigelow dont give a fuck, while Europe was flipping out over a 1 in 10,000 chance. Anyway, 12 hours to go.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:34:50 2019 No.10981424 Is nanotechnology a good MSc for someone that wants to become an astronaut? Starting my physics degree this year and I'm thinking of my post-grad options.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:37:08 2019 No.10981432 >>10981356 I thought the gravity wave observatory that's planned had just recently solved super-accurate station-keeping?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:37:21 2019 No.10981433 >>10981276 You can never have too much hypergolics. Someone needs to build a UR-700 with flyback boosters.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:42:01 2019 No.10981446 >>10981424 nanoinformatics has a bright blue future

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:42:09 2019 No.10981447 >>10981056 >finally You say that as if they even tried in the first place.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:43:56 2019 No.10981452 >>10981424 no you fucking moron, why do you think that would be a good idea? An astronaut's degree should pertain directly to important knowledge or skills they'll need for their mission. Knowing transistor configurations is not one of those skills

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:46:00 2019 No.10981453

>>10981432
Unlike terrestrial GW observatories, LISA cannot keep its arms "locked" in position at a fixed length. Instead, the distances between satellites varies significantly over each year's orbit, and the detector must keep track of the constantly changing distance, counting the millions of wavelengths by which the distance changes each second. Then, the signals are separated in thefrequency domain: changes with periods of less than a day are signals of interest, while changes with periods of a month or more are irrelevant.

From Wiki

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:47:23 2019 No.10981458
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>>10981446
That's what I'm thinking, but I don't know if it'll be a MSc that the ESA would want to pick up on when selecting astronauts in the next decade. I'd probably do my PhD afterwards in something biophysics/materials science related, but I would also want to do something in the Aerospace Engineering field.
>>10981452
My main interests are biophysics and materials science, but only insofar as they'd relate to spacecraft and creating infrastructure on another planet (i.e. Mars, because that's obviously my endgame). That said, I think nanotechnology is more than just transistor configurations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:48:28 2019 No.10981462 >>10981424 unironically low gravity plumbing we will need far more plumbers on mars than phds in nanoniggery

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:49:33 2019 No.10981465 >>10981458 First guy here absolutely do not take my advice I was memeing about a show that namedrops nanoinformatics as a plot device

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 18:49:55 2019 No.10981466 >>10981465 Frick :(

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:03:37 2019 No.10981511 >>10981462 Don't forget electricians, machinists, welders, etc. they said space was going to be for the eggheads instead the ayylmao bitches will be taken by superior tradesman cock

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:06:59 2019 No.10981517 File: 56 KB, 450x450, 1550691393011.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10980443 >star wars reference

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:08:23 2019 No.10981519 >>10980976 >chinkship when They'll probably start working on it soon after first orbital/commercial flights.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:08:39 2019 No.10981521 >>10981517 cope

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:12:15 2019 No.10981532 >>10981517 money is money, goy who cares where it comes from

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:20:42 2019 No.10981548

>>10981432
planned launch date of 2034
>>10981446
what in the fuck is nanoinformatics?
>>10981424
No. And who gives a shit about the field of nanotechnology anymore? Chemistry is where it's at. Chemists are starting to make what can arguable be called molecular machines.
>>10981458
nanotechnology as a field isn't useful for creating infrastructure on another planet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:24:49 2019 No.10981560 >>10981532 >musk fanboys are vehement anti-Semites too Why am I not surprised?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:34:56 2019 No.10981595 >>10981560 oh look thunderfoot is back lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:37:38 2019 No.10981604 >>10981560 What are you talking about? Most of 4chan is anti-semitic either ironically and unironically. It's not a Musk thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:38:29 2019 No.10981606 >>10980443 So fantasy bullshit general?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:41:29 2019 No.10981616 >>10981560 Nearly every Jew I know hates Musk, and I know a hell of a lot of Jews. What's up with that?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:43:31 2019 No.10981620 File: 54 KB, 566x480, readabooknigger.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981606

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:44:58 2019 No.10981623 >>10981606 No? Starship seems pretty real.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:45:10 2019 No.10981624

>>10981616
Do you want the meme answer or the real answer?
>jews cannot accept a successful white south african
>jews happen to own a lot of established industries and musk's magic is breaking open established industries
I'll let you decided which is the meme

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:49:00 2019 No.10981634 >Recent women aboard the ISS all have (((one thing))) in common imagine getting your arm twisted to let unqualified Jews become astronauts

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:50:14 2019 No.10981636 >>10981560 Get gassed, kike

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:51:57 2019 No.10981640 File: 2.93 MB, 1280x720, Starhopper 150m.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981606 It may be fantastical, but it's not fantasy

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:52:41 2019 No.10981641

>Bridenstine will give a keynote address to the 2019 Gastech conference.
Topic: Exploring the Role of LNG in Powering the Next Generation of Space Exploration. Thursday, 9:00-9:30 am Central.
>LNG is Liquified Natural Gas, or methane.
>Both Blue Origin and SpaceX are developing LNG-based rocket engines, BE-4 and Raptor respectively. BE-4 will be used for the United Launch Alliance’s new Vulcan rocket. Raptor is being developed for SpaceX’s Starship and its Super Heavy first stage.
interesting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:54:13 2019 No.10981644 >>10981634 Remember that 100% of criminals in space are women too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:55:48 2019 No.10981650 >LEO constellation operators OneWeb, Iridium announce collaboration https://spacenews.com/leo-constellation-operators-oneweb-iridium-announce-collaboration/ It doesn't seem like a good fit though. There has to be something that they aren't sharing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:56:19 2019 No.10981653 >>10981641 Unless I'm mistaken, SpaceX does need purified Methane but New Glenn can run on straight-from-the-tap LNG.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:57:18 2019 No.10981657 >>10981462 >>10981511 That's how it is in Antarctica. There are hundreds of scientists, but they are outnumbered 9 to 1 by support staff, including blue collar laborers and tradesmen.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 19:58:34 2019 No.10981662 >>10981653 New Glenn sounds based then.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:02:58 2019 No.10981668 File: 210 KB, 1280x720, 1562774777771.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://www.spacetalent.org/ a job search engine just for space related jobs, founded by space angels, an angel fund for space startups

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:02:59 2019 No.10981669

>>10980640
can't they just set a fine and be done with that nonsense?
Elon's got other shit to worry about, like saving this forsaken species.

>>10980976
assembling fuel tanks is a trade secret now?
Besides, the janky-looking prototypes they're building right now aren't even close to being the final product.

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:04:05 2019 No.10981674

>>10981650
They're probably collaborating with telecomms, oil companies, car companies, ESA, nasa contractors, the NYT, and anyone else with a reason to hate Elon
the lengths they'll go to in order to defeat SpaceX and Musk are only cost restricted by the market size

imagine how bad a room full of those Jews smells

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:04:28 2019 No.10981676 >>10981669 >assembling fuel tanks is a trade secret now? Lots of things about rockets seems to be trade secrets.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:06:43 2019 No.10981683 >>10981676 Still it's much easier to conceal the internal workings of the actual engines and guidance systems. Fuel tanks are the lowest-tech part of every rocket.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:10:59 2019 No.10981691 >>10981662 it's because the BE-4 is a lower performing engine than the Raptor highly purified methane isn't difficult to acquire and is going to be much easier than rawer natural gas on Mars (Mars drives a lot of decisions)

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:12:49 2019 No.10981695 File: 182 KB, 1288x978, 1547327313069.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981364 7 hours to go

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:12:50 2019 No.10981696 Reminder, we're in another golden age of Spaceflight similar to the spacerace of the 60s/70s. There's never been a more better time to be living in than current time since the last 50 years.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:14:56 2019 No.10981707 >>10981696 we prefer to call it the Second Space Age

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:15:42 2019 No.10981708 Powerful solid state gree electron lasers need to be put into orbit. To vaporize small debris and push the larger stuff back to earth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:19:13 2019 No.10981713 File: 132 KB, 800x240, philae.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] On this day 1,767 days ago Philae silently embarked on one of the most turbulent hitchhikes in the history of unmanned spaceflight.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:19:39 2019 No.10981716 >>10981676 lots of things about rockets are state secrets

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:19:43 2019 No.10981718 File: 145 KB, 700x670, sad-dude.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981696 Kinda sucks that the launches have been in a bit of a dry spell though. Amos-17 was over a month ago.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:19:54 2019 No.10981719 >cuck sexual perversions Embarrassing >Largest divorce loss ever Very embarrassing >BE-4's ISP (not released yet) EXTREMERY SHAMEFUR DISPRAY, COMMIT SUDOKU

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:24:41 2019 No.10981727 >>10981718 we just had like 5 launches

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:26:03 2019 No.10981729 File: 173 KB, 1080x1080, 1567008005572.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981719 bezos? more like basedos

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:28:06 2019 No.10981733 >>10981729 he's enjoying making the monkey dance for him

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:29:11 2019 No.10981734 >>10981727 all china and oldspace though, so no cool footage rocketlabs is also cool i guess but it's not nearly as spectacular

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:30:21 2019 No.10981736 >>10981734 Starlink launches will be fun. Wonder how less visible the trains will be with the new less reflective changes

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:31:55 2019 No.10981737 File: 83 KB, 891x499, 3au72a.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10980443

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:36:56 2019 No.10981745 >>10981708 Why would these be space based

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:42:18 2019 No.10981753

>>10981734
that makes me wonder if space races be a thing. you know, like having a bunch of spacecraft race around the earth and moon a few times. include some live streams and see where it goes from there. it might be good for advancing space technology too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 20:46:33 2019 No.10981762 >>10981745 better angles, more efficient thrusting

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:17:37 2019 No.10981818 >>10981729 Reminder, Bezos is worth more than all the rapper in the history's networth combined.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:35:02 2019 No.10981849 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aDOpyUmfL4 reminder, you can watch the welders work on the leg components in this stream

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:43:14 2019 No.10981867

>>10981708
so you want to put a death ray into orbit capable of modifying other things orbits and VAPORIZING things. Yeah I'm sure that will play out well. Second which orbits, how many lasers, how powerful a laser, and how much space junk can you remove? There's also the issue of will lasing shit actually cause it to reenter and not generate more debris?

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 21:44:41 2019 No.10981869

>>10981753
For stuff on that scale, the race is decided before it even makes it past the planning stages. The capabilities of the vehicles are known quantities, and even if that weren't the case, there's no spectacle.

The real deal is going to be ace pilots in cold-gas thruster pods the size of a modern-day capsule, jacked into 360-degree VR, blasting around the kind of tracks you can only build in space.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:08:34 2019 No.10981910 >>10981727 Launches where they throw the rocket into the sea are no longer exciting.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 22:11:56 2019 No.10981913 Will the D2 astronauts press anything at all during launch? On a Soyuz launch the passengers poke at various buttons and switches at various points in flight. D2 seems pretty autonomous

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:06:51 2019 No.10982013 Just found out /r/SpaceLaunchSystem exists. There's not a more concentrated source of cope and seething on earth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:24:32 2019 No.10982058 >>10982013 >There's not a more concentrated source of cope and seething on earth. your post

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:27:48 2019 No.10982065 >>10982058 >no u cope

Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:29:32 2019 No.10982071

>>10982013
They're definitely less critical of the SLS (god bless it) than the average spaceflight fan (and also somewhat salty against commercial launchers from the looks of it), but I wouldn't say that place has lots of cope. Their reaction to that nasty OIG report seemed like genuine horror and disgust, for example. If they were cope, then they would've made excuses about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:30:27 2019 No.10982075 >>10982065 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:34:06 2019 No.10982082 I guess it's time https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6418786-Spacex-Boca-Chica-Village-Texas-Buyout-Offer.html

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:35:38 2019 No.10982088 Don't know if this has been posted yet, tour of interior of Bigelow modules. These things are fucking huge holy shit. https://youtu.be/BXLk4wWilpA

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:35:46 2019 No.10982089 >>10981364 >low Earth orbit is becoming increasingly more >>more what? >just more

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:37:04 2019 No.10982093 >>10982088 >3x rated value SELL SELL SELL

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:38:19 2019 No.10982099 >>10982088 Goodbye bumfuck Hicksville, hello Spacetown.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:39:51 2019 No.10982103 >>10982099 >>10982093 what are the chances that both of your reply to the wrong post? >>10982082 Aren't there like... four people still living there? And one moved to BC for spacex's happenings in the first place

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:51:49 2019 No.10982119 File: 148 KB, 639x960, 1568494583422__02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:53:37 2019 No.10982122 >>10982119 >crack >sip Yep, that's a rocket.

>>	Anonymous Tue Sep 17 23:54:05 2019 No.10982124 >>10982119 it would cheapen the rocket to some people, but that's some decent advertising space

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:04:50 2019 No.10982144 >>10982119 >>10982122 Are starting bushfires symbiotic or antagonistic to the simple desire to mow the lawn and grill?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:04:53 2019 No.10982145 File: 567 KB, 639x960, 1568779401004.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982122 >>10982124

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:07:41 2019 No.10982147 >>10982145 >>10982119 >Siiiips >Yep >Now that's a real rocket

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:09:20 2019 No.10982150 what are some interesting spaceflight facts that most people dont know

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:10:28 2019 No.10982155 >>10982150 it takes only a week to get to the moon, and three months to get to Mars, if you're going fast

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:12:40 2019 No.10982161 >>10982155 gotta go more obscure than that

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:13:26 2019 No.10982164 >>10982161 well you specified "most people" so

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:14:51 2019 No.10982165 >>10982164 i mean most spaceflight fans

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:15:37 2019 No.10982166 >>10982161 the Saturn V moon rocket's first stage had the equivalent of 56,000,000 horsepower

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:24:32 2019 No.10982176 >>10982082 >3× market value and a lifetime backstage muskpass nigga in a heartbeat

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:26:22 2019 No.10982178 >>10982166 why would you ever give thrust in fucking horsepower

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:26:31 2019 No.10982179 >>10982176 it can only go higher. I assume. SpaceX could always pull strings and get Brownsville govt to kick you out...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:27:36 2019 No.10982182 >>10982179 the Texas constitution makes that impossible, actually

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:36:13 2019 No.10982196 https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-texas-spaceport-boca-chica-village-buyout-offer-letters-2019-9 10, at least, residents will not take the offer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:37:35 2019 No.10982198 >>10982178 cuz murrica

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:38:12 2019 No.10982199 >>10982088 How do they armor these things from debris? Is it any more vulnerable than the ISS or is it that if a loose screw hits it at several thousand kilometers per second its all fucked anyways?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:38:33 2019 No.10982200 >>10982199 whipple shields, probably

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:41:26 2019 No.10982203 >>10982199 They're multiple walled, even though those walls aren't metal the speeds involved are such that you'll vaporize the screw on the outer layers.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:43:26 2019 No.10982208

>>10982196
>“I really do want to get out of SpaceX’s way, and I want them to succeed and do what they’re supposed to do,” said Pointer, who lives in the area year-round and plans to retire there. “But I also want them to support me also, and it’s also not going to be at an eminent domain price.”

Bitch is three fucking times the value of your redneck shack not enough support?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:44:46 2019 No.10982213 >>10982208 code-violating shacks are often grandfathered in. The point about 3X not being enough to find a new place is understandable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:45:55 2019 No.10982218 >>10982208 honestly if the property values there are shit it might not be, there's absolutely no reason not to hold out for a million, that's a not even a fairing half.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:48:50 2019 No.10982225 Eminent domain on NIMBYS when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 00:50:16 2019 No.10982228 >>10982213 But what if some random person thinks 3x is a good deal to live near space history and makes an offer?

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:03:29 2019 No.10982245

>>10982013
It is pretty bad but at least you get actual spaceflight insiders and fans in there. Wait till you find /r/enoughmuskspam. Full of unironic communists shitting on SpaceX just because it is private. Shit like that is why I am no longer a leftist.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:05:51 2019 No.10982246 >>10982150 Radiation environment in low equatorial Earth orbit is almost Earth-like. No need for any shielding except for the hull of the ship.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:20:31 2019 No.10982259 >>10980985 It looks crappy af. And I like it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:54:44 2019 No.10982321 >>10982246 >Almost earth like No

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 01:57:08 2019 No.10982328 File: 88 KB, 540x960, 1566866723530.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw the future of spaceflight is bogan welders with Monster and Metal Mulisha sticker on their trucks and helmets

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:00:47 2019 No.10982334 >>10982328 Same in the past, but they hide it with clean room.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:15:05 2019 No.10982365 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWTsgofF2Lo >have to wait 2-5 years to see new manned moon landings just fuck my shit up.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:17:52 2019 No.10982370 >>10982365 Fret not, Anon. There are people out there who have waited 47 years for another manned Moon Landing. Another two to five is not that long a time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 02:52:55 2019 No.10982409 >>10982178 >not having a horse based propulsion system on your rocket Come on now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 04:33:28 2019 No.10982510 >>10981616 the jew cries out in pain as he undercuts your private space venture

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 05:25:21 2019 No.10982577 >>10982510 Kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:28:39 2019 No.10982643 >>10982245 >Shit like that is why I am no longer a leftist. what a retarded excuse. Seriously, it's retarded. Please stop

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:34:41 2019 No.10982653 >>10982643 >t. Retarded leftist

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:37:03 2019 No.10982655 >>10982245 >r/enoughmuskspam Just checked it out, almost every single thread there is about Elon calling that dude a pedo. What a bunch of sad cunts.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 06:44:19 2019 No.10982668 File: 864 KB, 498x267, E7Kg36N.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981044

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 08:48:20 2019 No.10982804 [DELETED]

>>10982655
It's reddit though so you can be sure that plenty of em are paid commenters trying to build a narrative.
Was kinda painfully obvious during the 2016 elections.
the amount of times i've been "accused" of being russian was kinda insane

In Elon's case, it's probably all car industry people, space industry people and literally russia.
If you take a look at the site "sputniknews" they report on every soyuz launch but basically the only times they ever report on anything elon-related was that one time the nosecone of starhopper fell over.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 08:49:51 2019 No.10982806

>>10982655
It's reddit though so you can be sure that plenty of em are paid commenters trying to build a narrative.
Was kinda painfully obvious during the 2016 elections.
the amount of times i've been "accused" of being russian was kinda insane

In Elon's case, it's probably all car industry people, space industry people and literally russia.
If you take a look at the site "sputniknews" they report on every soyuz launch but basically the only times they ever report on anything elon-related was that one time the nosecone of starhopper fell over.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 08:51:40 2019 No.10982808 File: 13 KB, 154x300, 78FC6849-E456-4D0D-8005-C75DC2BFE3AC.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982124

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 09:28:07 2019 No.10982851 https://twitter.com/BigelowSpace/status/1174308055841828864 Bigelow satellite didn't crash

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:11:56 2019 No.10982888 File: 432 KB, 2038x1514, IMG_20190918_230448.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10980443 Potential End look?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:15:26 2019 No.10982893 File: 29 KB, 580x297, starship_burrito.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982888 >9 meter diameter burrito imagine

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:19:56 2019 No.10982899 >>10982851 damn

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:27:06 2019 No.10982906 File: 73 KB, 660x220, Freebirds_WebBanner_Now_Open.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982893 burritos fuck yeah

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:36:27 2019 No.10982921 >>10982906 >FREEB! >RDS What does it mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:39:53 2019 No.10982924 File: 18 KB, 283x240, Freebirds-World-Burrito.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982921 It means over 30 years of Freedom and Texas and enormous burritos.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:43:11 2019 No.10982927 NASA getting roasted by the GAO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnFj67C0G6I >NASA: we are falling behind schedule to send people to the moon >GAO: we arent giving you any more money

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:45:44 2019 No.10982930 >>10982196 This may drag out into an ugly battle.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:46:26 2019 No.10982931
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>#Rogozin about the hole in #BaseduzMS09: “The hole was in the Habitation module, it burned long ago during the reentry. We took all samples. Everything is clear to us what happened, but we will not tell you anything”
https://twitter.com/katlinegrey/status/1174308437234204672

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:49:17 2019 No.10982937

>>10982927
Eh this fat woman is just saying what the panel wants to hear, she even references that there is legislative language requiring disclosure for funding.

But now we're talking about gateways and whether nasa will even have two SLS' by 2024 and the dude just said 'no'

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:49:44 2019 No.10982939
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>Chang'e-5 has been delayed until end of 2020 because of delays with Long March 5 rocket
>Russia, China agree on joint Moon exploration with cooperation on the Luna 26 & Chang'e-7 missions, no details were provided
https://tass.com/science/1078599

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:52:08 2019 No.10982944 >>10982927 excuses and more excuses. I'm sick of it. A single Starship is more capable than a million hacked together lunar vehicles

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:52:09 2019 No.10982943 >>10982937 >Some serious lobbying has been happening behind the scenes. Subcommittee chair Kendra Horn is pressing Ken Bowersox hard on when NASA plans to use the Exploration Upper Stage. Boeing doing work here.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 10:54:26 2019 No.10982946

>>10982944
no doubt about that. in the government everyone is blaming everyone else for problems with the program.
>GAO's Christina Chaplain: We've been auditing these programs for about five years and have consistently raised concerns about management. First the schedule has always been too optimistic.
>It is ironic to hear Congress talk about "urgency" in aerospace. If you want to see urgency, you should visit one of the Starship build sites. The contrast between there, and say Michoud, is striking.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:01:01 2019 No.10982955

>>10982946
I'm literally enraged right now by that clown show.
>muh sls
>orion
>yuuuge heat shields
>please sls is useful for mars now give me the money
>how's the sls useful for mars? well, mhhhhhh, hmmmm
ANYONE in this thread is more excited about Space than this senile old men and would manage better funding

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:02:23 2019 No.10982959 >>10982955 >how many times can SLS launch a year? * awkward silence * ehmmmm, my current understanding is... 2 a year

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:04:45 2019 No.10982963 >>10982944 Starship is privately developed so there's not the same amount of oversight from congress, which is why NASA can only really switch over once Starship is a finished product.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:07:24 2019 No.10982968 Starship will land on the moon before SLS even launches

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:07:31 2019 No.10982969
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>the first time you try anything it's harder
what the fuck was the point of shuttle legacy hardware then

>we'll take as much extra reserve as we can get
oh boy

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:13:29 2019 No.10982976 File: 101 KB, 486x580, 1551052939599.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >how safe is it >we'll know when we're done

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:14:35 2019 No.10982979

Reminder...
>Let’s be very honest again. We do have a commercially available super heavy lift vehicle. SLS may someday come about. It’s on the drawing board right now. Falcon Heavy is real. You’ve seen it down at Hawthorne. We’re building the core stage. We have all the engines done, ready to be put on the launchpad at Kennedy... I don’t see any hardware for an SLS, except that they're going to put Shuttle parts together and that becomes SLS. It’s not that easy in rocketry.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:16:55 2019 No.10982982 That Perlmutter is more honest, respectable and sxcited for space than those 3 nasaniggers slsuckers

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:17:09 2019 No.10982983 bumper stickers replacing congressional nametags by 2019

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:21:13 2019 No.10982989 >aggresive goal bitch you're lazy as fuck. SpaceX DOES have an agressive goal

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:21:28 2019 No.10982990 >>10982959 FOR ONLY TWO EASY PAYMENTS OF TWO BILLION DOLLARS PER LAUNCH! ACT NOW, AND YOU'LL RECEIVE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENDABLE® LAUNCH TOWER! CALL THE NUMBER ON YOUR SCREEN NOW!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:22:17 2019 No.10982992 File: 57 KB, 500x500, 1565873590737.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982990

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:23:05 2019 No.10982993

>>10982969
>what the fuck was the point of shuttle legacy hardware then
To be fair. The SLS has (d)evolved so much from the Shuttle that its parts are completely different from the Shuttle apart from the RS-24s.

That makes the "it'll be cheaper and faster to develop because it uses Shuttle parts" tagline that SLS was told with pretty much a straight up lie. I really hope that there's an investigation and cleaning of NASAs management.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:27:49 2019 No.10983001 Nobody has said the S word yet, right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:29:03 2019 No.10983005 >>10983001 Swarthy?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:32:46 2019 No.10983012 >As someone new to this committee, I cringe when I hear it's gonna take us 6 years to develop a spacesuit BASED & REDPILLED

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:33:10 2019 No.10983013 >>10983005 S t a r s h i p

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:34:42 2019 No.10983018 I'm glad Cooke least admitted a hydrolox sustainer with SRBs isn't actually good

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:41:36 2019 No.10983032 File: 2.20 MB, 800x957, 4672289404399.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >spacesuit >6 years S I X Y E A R S

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:44:00 2019 No.10983036 File: 43 KB, 199x1295, sls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Commercial launch vehicle capable of 15 M E G A T O N S

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 11:54:29 2019 No.10983051 File: 32 KB, 540x416, sadfatcat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >NASA can't even commit to 2 SLS per year

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:02:27 2019 No.10983062

>>10982946
>The contrast between there, and say Michoud, is striking.
While it was at Marshal and not Michoud, last year I had a tour of a facility where NASA was doing stress testing on the thrust structure of the SLS. The structure was broken during a previous test, as expected, and they told me that it would take a month to do the FEA analysis to figure out why it broke. IDK why it would take that long considering that the test article was pretty much covered in sensors. I'd figured that it would simply be easier to just make the part that broke thicker and call it a day. Not sure how it ties into how slow SLS is being developed, but that surprisingly long analysis seems fitting.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:03:05 2019 No.10983064
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>>10982968
>>10983051
Heavy will land on the moon with SLS's cargo all it will take is one more delay, SLS won't be cancelled but the projects will be moved to more time efficient concepts. Calling it now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:13:31 2019 No.10983079 >>10982927 Any timestamp highlights? I'm not watching 2 hours of government bs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:17:23 2019 No.10983085 File: 89 KB, 809x1010, Mr Musk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Financial analysts at Morgan Stanley Research said in a report sent to Business Insider on Tuesday that they now considered SpaceX's base valuation to be $52 billion. wew.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:42:47 2019 No.10983133

>>10983079
You can just set the playback speed to 1.25
It's a formal hearing, there's plenty of pauses and slow talking so you might even bump it up to 1.5

upping the playback speed makes podcasts and hearings watchable.
Also one piece. (best enjoyed at double speed due to extreme dramatic overstretching of an already razor-thin story)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:49:48 2019 No.10983153 >>10983133 >extreme dramatic overstretching of an already razor-thin story Im not who you're replying to, but can you give me a tldw of that? I can't watch the video right now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:51:52 2019 No.10983158 >>10982888 yes, but instead of shiny fins, it's covered in rivets and ugly weld lines and crinkles, like the body

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:53:36 2019 No.10983160 >>10983158 it'll get polished when its built >>10983153 that last bit was sorta unrelated as it was talking about the animu "one piece".

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:55:38 2019 No.10983165 >>10982959 Isn't that 2-a-year figure an absolute maximum, and that NASA is only planning 1 launch per year?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:56:43 2019 No.10983171 >>10983133 if you're going to watch One Piece you should reconsider your life and then read it instead

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 12:57:42 2019 No.10983173 >>10983160 >that last bit was sorta unrelated as it was talking about the animu "one piece". Oh. Oops. I thought you were referring to the hearing. I need more sleep...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:00:00 2019 No.10983178 >>10982888 fucking WOOF

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:02:10 2019 No.10983185 >>10983085 what the christ

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:04:19 2019 No.10983189 File: 81 KB, 600x536, Girls.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982931 >Baseduz

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:04:51 2019 No.10983190 >>10983189 Soyuz doesn't get filtered but I think if you don't capitalize it maybe? soyuz Soyuz SOYUZ

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:05:50 2019 No.10983194
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXIDFx74aSY
Even von Braun knew fuel depots, reusable crew shuttles and orbital stations were a necessity for reliable moon travel and beyond...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:05:54 2019 No.10983195 >>10983085 >Financial analysts at Morgan Stanley Research said in a report sent to Business Insider on Tuesday that they now considered SpaceX's base valuation to be 3.75 SLS's. FTFY

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:09:00 2019 No.10983201 >>10982931 So they are not releasing any info on it? Man it probably was sabotage but they got lucky and found out about it in time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:10:58 2019 No.10983205 >>10983085 If Starship is even half as revolutionary as it's supposed to be, SpaceX could make a good run at world's most valuable company.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:13:23 2019 No.10983208 So, has the change in plume appearance for hopper ever got answered for Because it looks to me like they broke it.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:15:01 2019 No.10983213

>>10983194
Orbital refueling makes alot of sense considering that for most spacecraft most of their total mass is in their propellant. Thus launching a spacecraft empty and then filling it up in space can be done with smaller launchers compared to launching the fully fueled spacecraft.

Then again, that means that there will be less missions for the SLS (god bless it). So that idea is unacceptable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:16:19 2019 No.10983216 >>10983185 >>10983205 This is based on starlink and starships future economic potential. If they fail valuation drops to $5 billion.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:21:29 2019 No.10983233 >>10983216 on the other hand estimates go as high as $120 billion is it's successful.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:24:39 2019 No.10983240 >>10983216 >This is based on starlink and starships future economic potential. If they fail valuation drops to 0.357 SLSs. >>10983233 >on the other hand estimates go as high as 8.571 SLSs is it's successful

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:32:20 2019 No.10983254 >>10983240 >almost 9 whole SLS absolute madman

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:33:20 2019 No.10983260 >>10983254 Just to note. I used the cost of the total SLS program and not the estimated cost per launch.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:35:35 2019 No.10983264 >>10982888 I hope the front doesn't fall off this time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:37:23 2019 No.10983269 >>10983264 That’s not very typical, I’d like to make that point.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:41:23 2019 No.10983279
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>>10983233
If Starlink and Starship both work, then SpaceX becomes the fucking IRL Wallace Corporation or Weyland-Yutani. All Musk needs are the Replicants/Androids.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:42:05 2019 No.10983285 File: 1.97 MB, 336x199, 1395174020150.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982888 >this is an upper stage

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:43:06 2019 No.10983289 >>10983285 it chonk

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:44:02 2019 No.10983291 >>10983269 What kind of standards are these Starships built to?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:44:25 2019 No.10983292 >>10982888 They've delivered enough flight surfaces that we can be reasonably sure that the control scheme does not substantially resemble the 2018 presentation.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:44:56 2019 No.10983294 >>10983291 well, the kind of standards where the front doesn't fall off I can very well assure you of that

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:45:56 2019 No.10983296 >>10983279 >>10983285 If Starship point to point works, it's the single biggest revolution in logistics since airmail. Do you know how many fucking Starships FedEx will operate? All of them.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:54:10 2019 No.10983312

>>10982968
>Starship will land on the moon before SLS even launches
Even if one SLS launches, all it'll do is carry an empty capsule on a nowhere ride around the moon.
How does that even count as a mission?
Afterwards they'll have to build a whole new one of these rockets and green run it and whatnot...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:56:20 2019 No.10983318 >>10982993 >>To be fair. The SLS has (d)evolved so much from the Shuttle that its parts are completely different from the Shuttle apart from the RS-24s. WHY DOES IT STILL HAVE FUCKING FOAM ON IT?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:59:16 2019 No.10983324 >>10983318 liquid hydrogen needs to be extremely fucking cold

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 13:59:38 2019 No.10983327

>>10983318
Because it contains liquid hydrogen, which needs to be insulated to stay liquid, and using the tank walls as structure for the vehicle is much lighter than building a double-wall pressure vessel. Single wall LH2 stages are derived from the S-II stage of the Saturn V, which would have been an orange tank if it was built today.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:03:20 2019 No.10983342 >>10983195 You mean you can buy all of SpaceX for just 500 million Nasa Dollars?

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:04:30 2019 No.10983345

>>10983318
Because it needs insulation to keep its cryo propellants cool (especially for LH2 which takes alot of cooling to convince it to turn into liquid). The SLS tank was derived from the Shuttle external tank which had external insulation rather than internal insulation. Despite that the SLS tank sharing many key features to the Shuttle external tank, it's pretty much a whole different design.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:22:57 2019 No.10983379 >>10983296 The impact of a single starship launch on flora&fauna is huge as fuck, and no country will let those monsters land close to a major city. Even if it works it will never happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:25:06 2019 No.10983386 >>10983379 This. Offshore platforms is the only way it'll even come close to working. That shit will make the Concorde on takeoff with full afterburners sound like a fucking Cessna.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:25:50 2019 No.10983389 >>10983379 Its impact is reduced over other boosters that have exhausts richer in combustibles. "It will never because reason" is just FUD-spreading for now.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:29:02 2019 No.10983394 >>10983386 the full 35 raptor Super Heavy is quieter than Falcon 9

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:31:08 2019 No.10983399

>>10983394
Yeah, it makes a sky-ripping roar that can be heard 20 miles away but is still slightly softer than the sky-ripping roar that the other rocket makes.

Have you ever seen a launch in person? Even a tiny Antares from 6 miles away is as loud as a Blue Angels demonstration.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:37:26 2019 No.10983415 >>10981044 >Starship can put 100t+ in orbit reusable. The word "can" is used in correctly here. Hopefully, it will live up to it's targets. But it hasn't flown yet.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:38:32 2019 No.10983416
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>>10983399
It's great, fuck NIMBYs, fuck "muh animuls" people, fuck ULA, and most importantly fuck that rotting bag of used shuttle parts Shelby! Fuck urbanites and boomers, I wish we could put launch pads closer to their homes so their shitty routines are constantly being fucked up by launch noise and the sonic booms of descending reusable stages.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:38:44 2019 No.10983417 >>10981064 >>10981078 But the software is going to take some serious stealing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:40:17 2019 No.10983420 >>10981138 No, no. As long as the asteroid cannot be used as a fuel depot of any kind, it JUST MIGHT WORK!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:42:41 2019 No.10983424 >>10981433 >You can never have too much hypergolics. I'm stealing this for a t-shirt.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:45:21 2019 No.10983427 Anyone got any sources of people arguing against reusable rockets(apart from that one infamous Ariane quote)?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:49:18 2019 No.10983434 >>10981669 Don't make Musk into some sort of saint of science, or any of that bullshit. He's a dick, and has shown himself a charlatan in many of his other business dealings. None of which has squat to do with whether SpaceX is doing great stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:51:58 2019 No.10983442 >>10983427 >https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1172167574244642817?s=20 >...Propulsive flyback is still pretty far from being economically sustainable...

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:53:19 2019 No.10983443 >>10981753 >I can do this orbit faster than you. Think about that for a moment.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:54:57 2019 No.10983447 >>10981867 I came here to post this. There is going to be a lot of this sort of issue coming up in the next decade or so.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:55:48 2019 No.10983448

>>10983394
>>10983399
Super Heavy being quieter than Falcon 9 is a lie, the three-engined Starship is though. The information comes from a modified environmental assessment for Boca Chica, where the FAA said SpaceX didn’t have to get a new assessment because Starship is quieter than F9. Super Heavy will need a new one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:57:03 2019 No.10983450 >>10981869 Super low flybys of various airless or near-airless moons with low Delta-v budgets.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:58:20 2019 No.10983452 >>10983434 Even a "dick" can save the species. Either we manage to settle other planets or our species will die out. Those are the two options. Elon is aware of that so he does the only thing that makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 14:59:34 2019 No.10983455 File: 126 KB, 660x800, 800wm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10981869 Light-sailing regattas when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:00:36 2019 No.10983457 >>10981910 You need to get into a boat and sail downrange. It gets exciting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:04:30 2019 No.10983458 File: 80 KB, 640x480, 1995-chevrolet-monte-carlo-nascar-jeff-gordon-advertising-man-cave-winston-cup-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982124 >This is the future you chose.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:06:35 2019 No.10983461 >>10983260 The cost of the SLS program is ~36.5 billion dollars so far

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:07:34 2019 No.10983465 >>10982166 And burned it's engines for 168 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:09:32 2019 No.10983470 >>10982225 Shouldna set up shop in Texas, if you wanted to do that. (Spits on armadillo)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:11:06 2019 No.10983472 >>10982225 Probably before Mk1.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:11:28 2019 No.10983473 File: 91 KB, 720x540, Scruffy_2_9337.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982370 Second.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:11:50 2019 No.10983474 when is musk giving his next hype presentation?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:12:14 2019 No.10983476 >>10980443 Earth is flat

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:13:33 2019 No.10983477 >>10983474 28th

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:13:44 2019 No.10983478 >>10983474 the technical hype package is being delivered on the 28th

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:14:00 2019 No.10983479 File: 116 KB, 300x300, space-horse-logo-1-300x300.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982409 Horses have been doing re-usability for millennia.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:14:49 2019 No.10983483 File: 56 KB, 788x873, 3tunnsgi3n701.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983476 Based smooth brain.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:15:01 2019 No.10983484 File: 137 KB, 808x512, newt.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10982668

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:15:06 2019 No.10983485 >>10983415 Take it up with the NASA folks who use the present tense for SLS.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:16:22 2019 No.10983486 >>10983479 >He doesn't ride expendable horses with booster horses and set up horse depots everywhere he goes. What are you Anon, anti-American?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:16:30 2019 No.10983487 >>10982921 Ask over on /x/, they'll have some fun answers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:20:06 2019 No.10983492 >>10983036 I am deeply saddened I did not save the 15 BFR version of Sea Dragon.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:20:26 2019 No.10983494

>>10983486
>strapping three horses together with the middle one's legs tied up in a such a way when you cut the horses loose the middle ones legs come free and starts running .
>two side horses return
>middle one kills itself running in to a wall after delivering the rider.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:21:13 2019 No.10983497 >>10983486 refurbishable horses in combination with horse depots have proved themselves time and time again on the postal routes across the west, anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:22:06 2019 No.10983498 >>10983492 Or the fractal Starship Heavy Heavy Heavy (ft. Falcon 1)

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:22:59 2019 No.10983501 >>10983201 I suspect it was not sabotage, but Igor drilled an erroneous hole during construction, then he or his superior, just slapped some bubble-gum or duct tape over it, which held for awhile.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:35:11 2019 No.10983536 File: 36 KB, 750x375, 5a30a6ad4aa6b51c008b4621-750-375.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983497 Absolutely unacceptable, you buy a new fully expendable horse from Stableheed Horseman immediately!

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:36:51 2019 No.10983541 >>10983486 >bring enough horses that you can carry all your supplies and when you empty a horse kill it and eat it Actually I'm pretty sure expendable horses WERE a thing

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:38:38 2019 No.10983552 >>10983213 Also we have to consider that refueling has never been done and the technology isn't developed yet. Who knows if it'll even be deemed safe enough to refuel manned spacecraft by the time starship is flying

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:41:36 2019 No.10983563 >>10983458 >90s NASCAR liveries and outright rice on your rocket The future is so bright I don't need eyes to see it

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:43:08 2019 No.10983568 >>10983552 >refueling has never been done absolutely false, refueling on this scale has never been done but Progress refuels the ISS's stationkeeping thrusters

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:44:51 2019 No.10983573
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>>10982927
TL;DW
>"SLS is not being used for what it was designed for other than carry Orion"
>Even if they think about an actual launch date for SLS it could still be subject to change
>Block 1 B could be streamlined but we haven't properly looked into it because of muh core production time
>NASA management wasn't even following 'basic good practices' until the new team told them to
>NASA always lowballs the cost estimate even when they are told what the high end cost could become and use that low estimate to give to congress
>Architecture on Orion's propulsion and fuel for landing has not been thought out yet
>Can't even move Orion for launch testing because the plane cannot safely carry the weight if their is an emergency
>SLS will only be used to launch Orion once or twice a year and cannot carry any elements of Gateway without more money
>We have no idea what we are going to use SLS for after Orion
>Witness points out in an article that NASA are being used as a commercial puppet to provide more unnecessary launches to fill contracts Artemis currently has a 51% success potential under this design and Apollo is simpler and safer with an 80% success probability, a single launch failure means disaster for the entire mission
>Ground system software still being fixed
>Zero commitment to boots on the moon by 2024
>They still think they can beat commercial projects to the moon BUT "they might become part of our program" *sweaty forehead and shifty eyes*
>6 year spacesuit development
>committee outright admits they don't know how the money they give NASA is being spent
>Study on 'alternatives' to be released early next year
Sounds like 8 years of funding has been wasted. What. A. Shitshow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:48:44 2019 No.10983583 >>10983573 More like 47 years of funding wasted.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:55:24 2019 No.10983594 >>10983568 >Progress refuels the ISS's stationkeeping thrusters Shhh. That needs to be kept a secret so that the general public will still believe that refueling in space is somehow impossible. Gotta keep those SLS (god bless it) bucks flowing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 15:59:56 2019 No.10983606 >>10983573 >NASA management wasn't even following 'basic good practices' until the new team told them to Who would've thought that paying people for being late was a bad idea? No one would've been able to figure that out without a 6 year study.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:03:54 2019 No.10983620 >>10983389 Because other options for point-to-point rocket freight will be even worse in terms of noise and environmental impact does not magically make this rocket something that will pass muster, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:05:25 2019 No.10983626 >>10983416 Well, it is noce to see /sci/ proposing new, well reasoned solutions to the problems of today!

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:11:07 2019 No.10983640

>>10983452
>Even a "dick" can save the species.
That's largely what I was saying.

>Either we manage to settle other planets or our species will die out.
I believe this to be true. Though long-term, something will et us eventually.

>Those are the two options.
I tend to agree. My only point is that Saint Elon is not a necessary prerequisite for any of that. There are no indispensable men, just indispensable ideas. And fewer of those than we think.

And at no point in the process is worship of any person who is running a rocket company.

>Elon is aware of that so he does the only thing that makes sense.

Not sure picking fights with guys who rescue children out of caves was necessary, or helpful. To the extent that it distracts from more important work, it is detrimental.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:13:40 2019 No.10983649 >>10983485 NO YOU! is literally what 2nd graders say. Speaking of any rocket in terms of what it CAN do, when it so far does not exist, is dumb. Don't be dumb. Not even if the other guy is being dumb.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:14:41 2019 No.10983651 >>10983497 As far back as Imperial Rome, at least.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:15:42 2019 No.10983655 >>10983536 Remember, boys, Shelby will have opposition in two years. You owe it to humanity to do what you can to oust him. Save up your pennies.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:16:43 2019 No.10983657 >>10983568 Did Mir, too, didn't they?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:17:56 2019 No.10983659 >>10983573 >>NASA always lowballs the cost estimate even when they are told what the high end cost could become and use that low estimate to give to congress To be strictly fair, every agency that gets money from Congress does this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:24:44 2019 No.10983677 >>10983659 This. Plus the severe budget cuts right after Apollo probably has left a nasty impression on NASA that they need to do everything in their power to make their budgets seem as friendly to Congress as possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:25:48 2019 No.10983681 >>10983461 Source?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:38:31 2019 No.10983707 File: 43 KB, 400x710, take a load of this guy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983294 hehehehehehehhehehehehehehehe niiiiiice

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 16:48:04 2019 No.10983718
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>>10983573
What a disgrace. Can't wait for the day when Musk and co forces everyone else to abandon the oldspace and begin an actual space race instead of treating the industry as a pork pipeline.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:00:25 2019 No.10983729

>>10983536
Some people say you shouldn't expend horses on your trips, but that is just laughable!
An expendable horse can carry up to 20% more payload on the same trip!
If you are planning on horse reuse meanwhile, you need to leave a lot of the theoretical maximum payload behind so the horse can recover after the mission. Now clearly, that is inefficient, when you can just breed more horses.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:04:23 2019 No.10983734 >>10983501 Probably this, yeah. Didn't that Soyuz rocket fail recently because they installed a sensor upside down or something? It's all just regular Russian space flight shenanigans.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:08:49 2019 No.10983746

>>10983734
Yep, guidance system was in backwards and on top of that I'm going to speculate that one of their engines either experienced a leak or got some holes melted in it's combustion chamber by NTO. In one of the videos that shows a zoomed in view of the launch at least one of the booster engines seems to be burning really dirty with a much redder NTO rich exhaust compared to the others.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:09:13 2019 No.10983748 File: 51 KB, 300x300, smirk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >russia plans to make a megaconstellation together with chinks can't wait to see it inevitably flop

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:24:08 2019 No.10983786
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>>10983573
>Architecture on Orion's propulsion and fuel for landing has not been thought out yet
Wait, what the fuck? Are they serious? I thought this thing was fucking done by now.

>SLS will only be used to launch Orion once or twice a year and cannot carry any elements of Gateway without more money
Wait, what the fuck? I thought SLS launching the major LOP-G component was the entire lynchpin of their moon architecture.

>Artemis currently has a 51% success potential under this design and Apollo is simpler and safer with an 80% success probability, a single launch failure means disaster for the entire mission
Holy fucking shit. I mean, yeah, this plan of theirs left no room for error with their dozen launches of minor components, but 51% is still pretty fucking damning.

>Zero commitment to boots on the moon by 2024
Disappointing. Pathetic, even.
Jesus Christ, what a mess.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:29:07 2019 No.10983801

>>10983786
>...SLS 1.0 can't launch gateway

Right, which is why the gateway project requires SLS version 3.0? but they need mo money fo dem programs n shiet

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't make a gateway design change that's so large it requires the final SLS version (block2B) to be funded

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:47:21 2019 No.10983855

>>10983734
the truly retarded part of that installation was the fact that the sensor was fool proofed against being mounted incorrectly, and in response to it not fitting, the vodkanigger just hammered it on rather than turning the fucking thing around

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:50:28 2019 No.10983865 >>10983734 >>10983746 that was a Proton, I think

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:51:05 2019 No.10983870

>>10983801
Fucking hell, they need the exploration upper stage for that?
I thought that thing was already burried basically. Why didn't I hear of this before? Sounds to me like this proposed architecture was a non-starter as soon as they proposed it.

... that fucking Delta upper stage... The one fucking component they needed to make from scratch and they still bent over backwards to fit in some underpowered existing component instead.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:56:58 2019 No.10983885

>>10983786
>Wait, what the fuck? Are they serious? I thought this thing was fucking done by now
IIRC that the lander has been in development hell for some time because NASA can't really decide on one. The three-part mostly-expendable lander structure is the only part that was decided on.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 17:57:07 2019 No.10983886

>>10983748
>Russian megaconstellation crashes with Starlink megaconstellation
>spaceships have to be built out of durable steel or they'll get shredded
>only SpaceX has a rocket that can punch past the debris zone and still have room to deliver some payload

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:00:45 2019 No.10983896

>>10983786
>No room for error
Yeah, with a coin flip chance of a complete fuckup too. If two shelby launch systems get up without one of them having some critical fuckup it will be a statistical anomaly.
>>10983886
Ah finally, an excuse for heavily armored space battleships, the future is as bright as sun reflecting off a steel Starship hull.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:10:09 2019 No.10983912 >>10983001 ?stopeD

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:12:08 2019 No.10983921 >>10983001 SPACE LAUNCH SYSTEM

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:51:05 2019 No.10984002 >>10983379 who the fuck said anything about landing close to populated areas? you are just looking for shit to whine about

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:53:28 2019 No.10984008 File: 6 KB, 225x225, images.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Why yes, I do defend large corporations who attempt to take over and demolish people's homes. How could you tell?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 18:57:14 2019 No.10984018 >>10984008 We dont like The media or boeing here bud

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:01:55 2019 No.10984036 >newfag gives it a (You) for the umpteenth time

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:26:39 2019 No.10984121

>>10983855
I sometimes fail to understand how these countries can't find a single person in the ENTIRE COUNTRY that's competent to install something like a single fucking component properly. I mean I'm a bong but we do have some pretty decent engineering and generally they tend to keep the mongs away from important stuff

>>	Sage Wed Sep 18 19:28:15 2019 No.10984126 >>10980443 So Elon said that metal thing in the front of the pic is a landing leg frame. But I'm looking at it and that thing is like a solid metre and a half wide. The existing design had legs nowhere near that thicc.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:28:36 2019 No.10984128 >>10983748 Not heard of GLONASS then

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:29:14 2019 No.10984132 File: 153 KB, 1128x1564, 1555106728388.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983498 Here, have a Starship Hexa-Heavy instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:30:27 2019 No.10984134 File: 305 KB, 1200x1200, 1539561240617t.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983501 More like Ivan was full of vodka that day.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:31:47 2019 No.10984140 >>10984134 why the image hammering a screw lel

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:33:41 2019 No.10984144 >>10984140 top right is crashing a rocket into a swamp bottom left is corruption bottom right is incompetence

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:43:34 2019 No.10984180 >>10984140 >>10984144 something like >launch rocket >land in swamp >with poor pay >you get poor work

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:45:49 2019 No.10984186 File: 182 KB, 1630x1080, 1557042509488.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the new official logo for the gateway station

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:46:57 2019 No.10984191 >>10984186 GOOOOOAAALLLLLL

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:48:03 2019 No.10984195 File: 249 KB, 1920x1280, e128978b7c9c5328095fb1a917426bef.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10984186

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:52:09 2019 No.10984208 File: 112 KB, 800x600, 1557319856089.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10984186 It reminds me of the St Louis Arch. St Louis is called the "Gateway to the West" and is famous for it's Arch, representing the "gateway."

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:52:24 2019 No.10984211

>>10984128
That's a bit different. GLONASS is a Russian state-mandated GPS they had to create for national security reasons, while this new constellation is a desperate attempt to ape commercial networks like OneWeb, Starlink etc. because Russians and Chinese are insecure little bitches who are afraid of being left in the dust by the superior nations.

This one is destined to fail because unlike OneWeb and co nobody is going to use this new service outside Russia and China. It will fail domestically too because both countries already have good high-speed internet, China especially.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:53:59 2019 No.10984213 >>10984186 I can't take anything named Gateway seriously unless it's filled with Heechee ships.

>>	Sage Wed Sep 18 19:55:15 2019 No.10984217 >>10984186 Probably cost 10m dollars to design that gay logo

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:56:27 2019 No.10984218

>>10984211
Is the megaconstellation for communications? I could see it being useful for Russia in that case, but for both China and Russia it sounds useful for military purposes. The reason why the American military is so interested in megaconstellations is because they offer a bunch of benefits over the traditional way of doing military satellites. And at the same time, the Americans want megaconstellations for lots of things, not just communications, so China and Russia will probably want similar capabilities too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:57:17 2019 No.10984221 >>10984211 tbf megaconstellations are wonderfully useful military communication infrastructure assuming we respect kessler and don't blow them all up

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 19:58:52 2019 No.10984225 File: 250 KB, 2304x1296, over 9000 hours.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10984186 do you like my version

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>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:09:21 2019 No.10984250 >>10984230 gatewat racing

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Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:13:21 2019 No.10984260

>>10984221
>assuming we respect kessler and don't blow them all up
I figured that China would press for megaconstellations too. I'm still not sure what the best method would be to defeat megaconstellations in a war. Cyber and electronic means are great, but their effects would have to be limited otherwise you risk creating a bunch of dead satellites in orbit. So instead I'm leaning towards satellites that are both stationed in orbit and launched from the ground, which can deorbit enemy satellites in ways that create as little debris as possible (in order to minimize Kessler Syndrome). In order to counter satellites that deorbit other satellites, the best method might be temporarily disabling them through cyber and electronic attacks, then using the window of opportunity to deorbit it before it deorbits you.

While all of this is happening in orbit, you'll want to destroy the enemy's space launch capabilities asap so they can't easily replenish their lost satellites (e.g. submarine launched cruise missile spam against Cape Canaveral).

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Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:17:26 2019 No.10984272

>Bottom line of hrg: No one thinks we'll really be on Moon by 2024, but want to keep that goal to convey sense of urgency, provide focus. To get there anytime close to then, need Congress to approve the $1.6B budget amendment in the CR so can sign HLS contracts by end of this yr.
gatefug indeed

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:22:04 2019 No.10984291 wtf northrop killed NGIS/Orbital ATK >Northrop Grumman has announced a corporate reorganization; Innovation Systems, the former Orbital ATK, will disappear, but the new Space Systems division includes a lot of that unit

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:27:51 2019 No.10984313

>>10984260
What's the incentive for the side losing the space war not to go MAD and intentionally cause a Kessler cascade? You're China, you've got 10,000 satellites, you're about to lose your launch capabilities. What's stopping you from crashing them all into Starlink?

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:28:32 2019 No.10984317 >>10984260 >submarine launched cruise missile spam against Cape Canaveral there's a reason that air launch is never going to go out of style I also really want to see an orbit capable launch vehicle launched from a truck

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:30:36 2019 No.10984329 Word is from multiple officials is that Alabama will be home of the US Space Command, not Colorado. Shelby has gone too far. https://breakingdefense.com/2019/09/rumint-huntsville-leads-spacecom-base-race/

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:31:11 2019 No.10984334 >>10984317 In wartime restrictions like "not dropping stages inland" disappear, especially it you have something like Starship that doesn't drop stages anyways. There's no reason you can't launch from the Mojave Spaceport to keep out of China's reach.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:32:04 2019 No.10984339 >>10984313 I thought of that too and I couldn't come up with anything that would stop a country from doing that. The ability to create Kessler is the new nuclear weapon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:37:55 2019 No.10984354 >>10984334 >out of China's reach When you can launch intercontinental ballistic yeets, technically nowhere is out of reach. What happens afterward is another matter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:38:25 2019 No.10984355 >>10984339 >The ability to create Kessler is the new nuclear weapon. Or you could detonate a nuke in the upper atmosphere and ruin the fun for everyone in LEO.

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:40:19 2019 No.10984361

>>10984354
If China is launching ICBYs at America, I don't think it really matters whether we start Kessler syndrome, because we're about to start a bunch of other apocalypses.

What is the plural for apocalypse, and why has the world gotten to the point that we'd need such a thing

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 20:45:08 2019 No.10984377

Oh I thought of something interesting in a MAD Kessler situation. What if it happened but we had space colonies? If the colonies survive, would they get a few decades or centuries to dominate space? If so, if the Earth returns to space after a long isolation in Kessler, would it be like the rise of China in an American dominated world (e.g. Earth = China, Mars = America). It's kind of scifi at that point.

>>10984355
Yeah but the effects of nuclear explosions in space don't last as long as Kessler. The US had Starfish Prime and that only messed up orbit for a short while whereas Kessler could affect orbit for decades or longer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 21:02:08 2019 No.10984447 new >>10984446

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 21:06:44 2019 No.10984465 File: 198 KB, 1024x659, icby-26999681762_beddc0d1b7_b.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10984361

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 21:28:40 2019 No.10984540 >>10983573 Every last one of them needs to be executed for treason

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:36:53 2019 No.10984756 File: 302 KB, 968x886, FLS _rocket.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10983036 take this, it's to scale and it'd actually work

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:40:47 2019 No.10984776

>>10983062
>Of course an uneducated peon like you would think to add material to make something stronger, but don't you know? Saving weight in rocketry is LITERALLY THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS YOU FUCK. We need to spend $200 million developing an entire new thrust structure from scratch, with forged aluminum-lithium alloy and composites, and adjust the isogrid pattern that we mill out of the billet over 6 months to get another 2% strength out of the SAME mass, which will of course allow us to shave off even more weight (we wouldn't want to make the rocket any stronger (HEAVIER) than the absolute minimum, after all).
>That's just how you do things in aerospace engineering, anon. Space is hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:42:44 2019 No.10984783 >>10983171 why would I reconsider my life just to throw it away anyway

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:44:33 2019 No.10984792 >>10984776 I loathe that mindset.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:45:55 2019 No.10984799 >>10983208 wait ten days anon

Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:51:46 2019 No.10984811

>>10983345
>>10983327
>>10983324
You're all towing the old-space line.
Hydrogen won't boil off instantly just because it's in a vessel with no insulation; the fucking Saturn rockets didn't have any insulation, as one of you mentioned, you know how they solved the boil off problem? Same way they solved the boil off problem for liquid oxygen, they continuously topped up the fluids as they slowly boiled off so the rocket was ready to go with full tanks at T=0.
The real reason SLS still has foam is, there IS no reason. It's literally just there because that's how they had to do the Shuttle ET, because the Shuttle's heat shield couldn't be hit by ice and survive (turns out the foam was just as bad anyway, but more a roll of the dice than a stomp on a land mine). Why carry that technology over to SLS?
>well, limiting boil off reduces the amount of hydrogen gas we need to vent from the vehicle, which makes it safer for ground crew and the astro-
IT'S BECAUSE IT'S A JOB THAT THE SHUTTLE PROGRAM HAD AND SLS IS ABOUT KEEPING SHUTTLE JOBS ALIVE

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 22:54:03 2019 No.10984816 >>10983434 I liked when he apologized to that diver by saying "I didn't mean to say he was actually a pedo, I just meant to insult him by pointing out that he was a creep" fucking kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 23:01:20 2019 No.10984837 >>10983746 Every Proton launch has ugly NTO fumes around the engine section, I think it may be a bleed line or something, it'd have a way worse reliability record if it were leaking propellant accidentally literally 100% of the time.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 23:02:49 2019 No.10984841 >>10983563 >same sponsors because they're still fueled by dead dinos

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 23:05:01 2019 No.10984843 >>10984126 Look again, the flaps/legs on the 2018 design are about a meter thick where they join the body, at least. At the tips they appeared to be narrower, showing some distal taper.

>>	Anonymous Wed Sep 18 23:07:43 2019 No.10984845 >>10984250 back to /o/ with you

>>	Anonymous Thu Sep 19 00:11:48 2019 No.10984948 >>10983318 >WHY DOES IT STILL HAVE FUCKING FOAM ON IT? You heartless fool, would you really throw all the tank foam sprayers out on the street with no job? I mean, it's only less than a year to Christmas!

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