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10960736 No.10960736 [Reply] [Original]

Would we have much better science and tech if the library of Alexandria was never lost?

>> No.10960743

Just think. All the datacenters of today will be lost forever the second the Russians set off EMPs in the right locations. Nothing is permanent. Always remember this.

>> No.10960747

>>10960743
>All the datacenters of today will be lost forever the second the Russians set off EMPs in the right locations
How retarded exactly are you? Is your IQ below 70 to make such a statement?

>> No.10960748

>>10960736
Unlikely. Innovation is a function of human population/density, not by having a large library.

>> No.10960751

>>10960747
Elaborate on why his statement is retarded

>> No.10960752

>>10960747
>makes joke
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.10960756

>>10960748
The vast majority of people contribute precisely nothing.

>> No.10960758

>>10960756
.01*100 <<.01*10000000

>> No.10960759

>>10960751
data centers have redundancy upon redundancy. many are equipped with shielding to prevent that exact thing from happening. and even if they don't the data is never in just one place, its spread out over many data centers.

>> No.10960764

>>10960759
The last part of that statement
>Nothing is permanent
Still stands

>> No.10960768

>>10960764
in the inevitable-heat-death-of-the-universe sense, yes i suppose nothing is.

>> No.10960775

>>10960759
Fair enough, didnt know that much.

>> No.10960780
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>>10960768
We live on a tiny blue bean. All your datacenters mean nothing in the face of an Earth-erasing cataclysm of I-don't-know-what and I-don't-know-when but could-be-any-second-now-for-all-you-know-you-pea-brained-idiot.

>> No.10960801

>>10960780
We can see objects that are 5 billion light-years away, anon. Do you think there's an Earth-erasing object that moves 5 billion light-years in a matter of seconds?
We might be defenseless, but it's the kind of defenseless where we'll get to see it coming and will have lots of time to dwell on the existential horror of our impending doom. Much like we already do with more mundane causes of death like the heart failure and cancers most of us here reading this will end up having.

>> No.10960811

>>10960801
We haven't even cataloged 1% of the asteroids in our solar system. And it would only take an asteroid 1/10 the size of the moon hitting the planet to kill pretty much everyone.

>> No.10960824
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>>10960811
>We haven't even cataloged 1% of the asteroids in our solar system.
And what percent of those asteroids is Earth erasing as opposed to just highly damaging of one particular region of the Earth?
>it would only take an asteroid 1/10 the size of the moon
That'd be 350 km in diameter. We're aware of the asteroids that size, which is pretty easy given there's only 4 of them and they're pretty hard to miss.

>> No.10960829

>>10960811
NASA recently put out a statement, specifically to counteract popular belief, saying we are not currently equipped to thwart a real threat such as this to life on our planet. If an asteroid like that were to strike within the next few years, we'd be shit out of luck. They put out this statement, ostensibly, in order to accelerate research in the area.

>> No.10960833

>>10960829
I don't think anyone claimed we could do anything about asteroids. The topic now is whether or not we would see our planet-death coming.

>> No.10960835

>>10960824
Not him, but it's the interstellar masses that'll really fuck your shit. We have a very hard time detecting them and they come in all sizes. If one were on a collision course with Earth you might not know it until a few weeks or even days before the impact.

>> No.10960843

>>10960811
>>10960829
You know what's the scariest thing about that? It's not that you die instantly upon impact. No. Apparently, according to some recent research, the dinosaurs died of gradually, in the span of hours, while being fried alive. The debris falling back down unto Earth from space created so much heat upon re-entry, that the temperature of the atmosphere reached levels much exceeding what you might expect inside your oven. This is the reason why they ALL died, as opposed to just some within the vicinity of the impact, allowing them to repopulate. Only small burrowing rodents survived under the surface of the Earth. These became us.

>> No.10960846

>>10960835
Wasn't Oumuamua in the news specifically because it was the only interstellar object that has ever been detected passing through our solar system?

>> No.10960848

>>10960833
If we can't even see our planet-death coming, there is not much to discuss, now is there?

>> No.10960849

>>10960848
If that were true, which is what we're discussing in the first place. I still haven't seen any reason to believe we wouldn't see a planet erasing object before it hit us.

>> No.10960857

>>10960849
You might want to look into vacuum decay...

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>>10960857
>false vacuum doomsday scenario

>> No.10960921

>>10960846
I'm not sure, but that doesn't sound wrong. The shape and size were also noteworthy.

>> No.10960937

It was probably mostly philosophical texts of Plato basing human anatomy of chickens or some shit.

>> No.10960958

>>10960743
>the Russians set off EMPs in the right locations
I bet you haven't heard of sharding and know nothing about data security. But maybe the cloud? Ever heard of that?

Every company who has valuable information stores it in at least 3+ places and has it spread out.

>> No.10960960

>>10960752
if u make a joke which is so bad that noone understands that it is a joke, then maybe it simply was retarded

>> No.10960965

>>10960743
>what are books?

>> No.10960978

>>10960801
You can't see events/threats moving at the speed of light in advance, retard. You won't have any time before a gamma ray burst/supernova is upon us.

>> No.10960991

death implies life, we are one, a magnet with north and south, but can not remove either part. dont' worry it'll all begin soon

>> No.10961065

>>10960960
>noone
No, just you.

>> No.10961109

>>10960736
I heard one someone making a good point.
Even at that time people we copying,adapting and straight ripping off books fond in the library.
we know of the library because of these copied books that were discovered.
Whatever people deemed worthy at that time they saved many copies of it.
If thats the case not much is lost.

>> No.10961134

>>10960965
All digital devices are arguably less permanent than books are. Which is the whole point. The pyramids of Giza are known to us even today. What future civilization will be able to decode our CDs? None. Because all CDs every produced will have disintegrated by the next decade.

>> No.10961139

>>10960835
Fwiw these are definitely hidden aliens ships

>> No.10961143

>>10960958
>Oh me, oh my. I have my data stored on THREE (3) different servers.
When there is no power anywhere, all three of them will be worthless hunks of junk.

>> No.10961182

>>10961134
And how many paper publications have been neglected and lost to history? Countless. We keep alive what's most valuable, whether it be with physical or digital media. The most valuable digital media gets migrate with each new format. Arguably, the fact that information is so widely distributed across networks like the internet makes it more permanent than ever before. Is there still some information loss with time? Of course. But this has always happened.

>> No.10961210

>>10961182
>We keep alive what's most popular
ftfy
at the rate we're going, the works of taylor swift will outlive the works of chopin

>> No.10961248

>>10960747
Hey watch your mouth. I'm the proud owner of a double digits 72 IQ myself.

>> No.10961252

>>10960843
>they ALL died
What are birds?

>> No.10961259

>>10961109
That’s a good point

>> No.10961349

>>10960843
It's still not even agreed upon that the dinosaurs died in an impact event.
There are a few other smoking guns.

>> No.10961357

>>10960743
An EMP strong enough to wipe something like that would have a conventional explosion so large and so close that it'd literally wipe out life in the area. Modern equipment is already hardened pretty well to prevent a distant EMP.

>> No.10962681

>>10961210
You're delusional if you think popular music, especially modern popular music (which is formulaic, mass produced, and disposable), will outlast compositions that have already lasted for hundreds of years. Hell, I cant even remember which songs were popular last year.

>> No.10963102

>>10960743
Or media tech and gov. wipe websites and channels because "muh russians".

>> No.10963107

>>10960768
not even the heat death is permanent. eventually random quantum fluctuation will create a new universe.

>> No.10963109

>>10960751
Hard disks use magnetic storage. Magnetic storage is not effected by EMPs, it would just be a monumental pain in the ass to take the disks through recovery.

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>>10960736

>> No.10963172

>>10960736
People exaggerate the significance of the burning of the library of Alexanderia, it honestly didn't set us that far back.

>> No.10963182

>>10961357
>Modern equipment is already hardened pretty well to prevent a distant EMP.
Wireless interfaces on stuff would be fucked though, I imagine.

>> No.10963194

>>10963142
the dark ages are total bullshit, and i'm a fedora-tipper to the max. go look it up.

>> No.10963927

>>10963102
This
Internet has onky been around for a blink of an eye, and already most information has been lost. Entire websites gone. Not just because pulled because can't pay for hosting, but corporate restructuring, censorship, etc. Even sites designed to archive other sites have to scrub if the US/EU say so or those sites are scrubbed.

>> No.10963937

>>10963142
This graph should also begin with a plummet off a cliff. We are about due for another.

>> No.10963970

Archimedes wrote to Alexandria and had a library card or whatever. Some of his writings have been rediscovered. A bunch during 1998-2010. If they weren't stuffed in grandma's attic for hundreds of years at a time, we may have had iphones in the 50s. Search archimedes palimpsest.

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>>10963142
Needed image

>> No.10964032

>>10963984
I thought Finnish was isolated from indo-European language.. Oh, that makes sense. I guess the basque lucked out.

>> No.10965874

>>10960736
Always wondered this
Fuck knows, it could have just been collection of shitposts
I would hazard a guess and say that there is a good chance that a good chunk of good material from it is stored in the Vatican

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>>10960743
>ancient civilization leaves text behind describing extraterrestrial beings

>must be an metaphor

>> No.10965899

>>10960748
No its not. Nearly all great breakthroughs are made by isolated hermits. Keep dreaming brown boy.

Also no OP. Bunch of sandpeople writing wasn't going to benefit science.

>> No.10965904

>>10960736
How much of it was porn?