/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10937688]

Is 130 IQ the faggot IQ? Why is everyone who's 130 IQ so unnecessarily arrogant? I even went through a phase like this until I realized what a massive fag I was for it.

[Anonymous No.10937794]

If your IQ is less than 90 or more than 140 you are based. Everything in-between is retarded sheep nigger tier.

[Anonymous No.10937834]

>>10937688
if you care about IQ you're already arrogant. I respect someone with *low* IQ who has a publication far more than someone with genius IQ who sits around being "smart but lazy" until they die.
potential doesnt mean jack shit if not utilized

[Anonymous No.10937881]

>>10937688
They are superior to the common sheep, I'd be arrogant too.

[Anonymous No.10937944]

130 here, it's the worst.

130 means, everything which normies do, study for, train etc, you can do immediately, without trying. so normies think you are smart, perhaps a genius.

but in reality to achieve something of actual value requires doing work to an extent that you're totally unaccustomed to, so therefore fail hopelessly at it.

everything that normies do is so easy, that its too boring, and anything interesting takes too much effort to spend the time on. it's a deadspot that ends up in nothingness

[Anonymous No.10937950]

>>10937944
>anything interesting takes too much effort to spend the time on
>doing work to an extent that you're totally unaccustomed to
better become accustomed quick or you're gonna be le smart but lazy really quick. A "normie" who puts in the work can outstrip your 130 potential very quickly if you don't learn how to effectively work

[Anonymous No.10937964]

>>10937944
>130 means, everything which normies do, study for, train etc, you can do immediately, without trying
wrong, without the right genetics, somebody will never be able to build muscle regardless of his IQ

[Anonymous No.10937967]

>>10937794
BASED

[Anonymous No.10939272]

>>10937688
As someone who scored (by a shrink) 132 I can attest to what this faggot >>10937944 has said. 130-135 is the worst IQ you could possibly have. It puts you a position at which you are "smarter" than 49/50 people in the room, so you consider most of the retarded. But at the same time you're not smart enough to accomplish anything unless you put in the work. Your perception is completely fucked up because you're constantly confronted fallacies and as a result delude yourself into believing that you're merely lazy and that IF you were to actually try, you'd be cruising through life, throwing dollar bills at highclass hookers. Smart enough to understand the multi-layered nature of social situations or politics (hence the smug attitude), but not smart enough to predict them far enough in advance for it to make a difference. It's fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.10939284]

>>10937688
>faggot
Why the homophobia?

[Anonymous No.10939285]

>>10939272
> But at the same time you're not smart enough to accomplish anything unless you put in the work.
why do you idiots think people who accomplish things did so without "putting in the work". And why do you think this is a bad thing? What do you want, to sprout off million dollar ideas and be pampered your whole life for your massive intelligence? personal fulfillment comes from both the journey and the destination, and putting in the work and slowly seeing results is such a very fundamental part of doing science at a research level that you trying to avoid it says you're destined to do nothing with your potential.

[Anonymous No.10939301]

>>10937688
I have an iq of 86 and as a result i dont think hardly at all

[Anonymous No.10939308]

>>10939285
You don't seem to understand.
-100 IQ needs to learn A and B and specifically study how utilize them to get C
-150 IQ needs to learn A and B but utilizing them to get C comes natural, they don't need to study it
-130 IQ however needs to learn A and B but is additionally required to put in the time to reach C. But because A and B were so easy to learn, they naturally assume for C to be easy to reach, too. Especially when it appears as such after dealing with a handful of examples. Smart enough to understand and quickly reach a basic level, but because of that also delusional enough to assume for higher application to be similarly simplistic. The 100 IQ doesn't think this. Everything's hard to them so they are never fooled by the initial simplicity. While the 150 IQ autist doesn't care.

[Anonymous No.10939309]

>>10937967
Repeating other people’s thoughts poorly isn’t based nor redpilled but peak nigger cattle behavior
>>10939301
sounds like a good time

[Anonymous No.10939337]

>>10939308
but none of that actually matters in the real world. You're also already assuming people are putting in work, when original post was saying they don't want to have to work, which means they will fall behind very quickly. potential doesnt mean anything if the work isnt put in, even with insanely high intelligence things happen very slowly, with tons of failure and wasted time first, it sucks but it's worth it when you do succeed. Worrying about IQ and all this shit doesn't matter outside of internet and mensa circlejerking, especially when there is no tangible way to actually affect it. Well other than constant practice and being in a thinking environment likely.

[Anonymous No.10939373]

>>10939284
i hope you die soon

[Anonymous No.10939374]

>>10939337
Based

[Anonymous No.10939377]

>>10939337
It matters very much because it has a gignatic impact on one's motivation. Drive is what matters most. If you're 130 IQ you will lack drive for the described reasons and develop a cocky/arrogant attitude instead. Nobody "worries" about IQ. The only reason I even mention it is to classify certain groups of people. I could very have used average, smart, gifted instead. What those terms would be even more ambiguous.

[Anonymous No.10939388]

>>10939377
>If you're 130 IQ you will lack drive for the described reasons and develop a cocky/arrogant attitude instead
This is not true at all, you just are surrounded by it on this forum. I know plenty of people who I am more than sure would be top percentile in any intelligence metric but never developed this attitude because of either pure childhood curiosity that never died and applied it to something or were so entranced in some subject they became autistic enough to do research in it. Meanwhile those who were "smart but lazy", which is a meme for a reason, fall behind.
Simply by realizing this you should want to put the work in to be on par with people who didnt develop that attitude. This is one of the worst cop outs one could come up with to not even attempt to succeed. Everyone has to put in the work, everyone fails, already conceding to be a failure because you're unwilling to even try is not intelligent.

[Anonymous No.10939395]

>>10939388
>realizing flawed behavior means that you have the drive to fix it
I seriously hope you've been diagnosed with autism because I refuse to believe that a reasonably adjusted individual could possibly lack such basic understanding of human behavior.

[Anonymous No.10939400]

>>10939395
I don’t think drive is necessarily the correct fundamental cause of these people failing to attain higher understanding. Otherwise the logic you’re employing seems quite sound to me.

[Anonymous No.10939402]

>>10939395
Dont think so, im fairly socially normal, friends have joked about it though when I am obsessive/overanalytical. But really, introspection about your own personal flaws, or talking with trusted people about them if you're not good at introspection, can often help you work through a psychological block like that.
But hey what do i know. though im willing to bet i have more anecdotal evidence and more postgrad years than most people on this website.

[Anonymous No.10939406]

>>10939402
You have an infantile understanding of your own mental life more than likely from the way you characterize your own soothing/introspection process desu.

[Anonymous No.10939408]

>>10939406
yea you're right, thinking about your problems cant help at all :)

[Anonymous No.10939414]

>>10939402
Agian, it has nothing to do with one's ability to spot flaws. It's about prioritization. You can realize that what you do it bad, but still choose a more enjoyable activity over fixing the flaw. Of course you could call people stupid for doing this, because, let's be honest, in the longrun it likely is. But if you confront them with a logic puzzle they'll still perform better than 49/50 people. They are "smart". They simply can't be bothered. No idea why that is. I call it lack of drive because it's the easiest explanation, but why they lack the drive is something I can't explain.

[Anonymous No.10939421]

>>10939414
whatever it is, they lack what it requires to be at the research level in STEM. you have to have it, it requires stupid amounts of work that sometimes (often) amount to "wasted time" because it produces nothing. I prefer to think of it as experience in what fails.
I wish I could help too, there are tons of people who are in that condition who would be amazing additions if they had that drive. but if you don't and cant acquire it, you're fucked to be a wageslave normie with a BS in some STEM subject

[Anonymous No.10939428]

>>10939421
Motivation doesn't run the investment market.

[Anonymous No.10939436]

>>10939428
but it gives motivation to do shitty work like writing for funding, which is the only money i care about. Money wont bring you happiness if you have that autistic drive or curiosity that is constant. It just doesnt provide the challenge and satisfaction that only the shitty "work" provides.

[Anonymous No.10939447]

>>10939436
Grants only exist as the government (or other less relevant bodies) authorize them. In practice, every grant gets used over a given grant period. But we can't expect the government to be independent in regards to funding research, so the market again controls the precedents behind how much funding occurs over a finite period of time in a finite civilization. The notion that individual independence based motivation is some large determining factor is counter-realistic with regard to the actual distribution of resources we find in organic human populations.

[Anonymous No.10939450]

>>10939414
Very common among law students. I've met quite a few people who perform extremely well in moot-courts, yet have bottom 50% grades.

[Anonymous No.10939456]

>>10939447
>or other less relevant bodies
depends on your field, but there is still a lot of private research. In mine, it's fairly split luckily.
ill be real the rest of your post is way more philosophical and frankly doesnt make enough sense to me to respond to, im probably not high enough IQ or something.
either way i'll leave on this: smart but lazy is useless in a society where producing real data, which requires astronomical amounts of dedication and work to obtain, is what matters and makes money, albeit barely a living wage, shit ill never be rich, but hey i love my job at least.

[Anonymous No.10939477]

>>10939456
Computer science is a rapidly growing market for the precise reason that it doesn't take an extraordinary amount of effort to analyze data anymore. It's fairly trivial, and most problems can be reduced to incompetent investors with no balls.

[Anonymous No.10939480]

>>10937794
I tend to agree. I've got 118 IQ, smart enough to realize most people are literally retarded and smart enough to know I am not very smart. I'm basically a nigger genius.

[Anonymous No.10939502]

I know! I'm so glad I have a 135 IQ

[Anonymous No.10939516]

>do Mensa test
>13 questions in
>Realize I still have ~23min to go
>Panic for some reason
>Do a few more questions
>IQ says 97
>Oh fuck
Do I accept this as my IQ? Or should I try again where I'm well rested and focused? I know it won't change much I'm estimating I'll have the same score but shit I hate timed tests I get super anxious and shut down then don't perform well... How do I overcome this?

[Anonymous No.10939525]

>>10939284
first day on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.10939530]

>>10939284
"But they act in a contrary way, for they come full of impurity to this mystery, and not only of that impurity to which, through the fragility of your weak nature, you are all naturally inclined (although reason, when free will permits, can quiet the rebellion of nature), but these wretches not only do not bridle this fragility, but do worse, committing that accursed sin against nature, and as blind and fools, with the light of their intellect darkened, they do not know the stench and misery in which they are. It is not only that this sin stinks before me, who am the Supreme and Eternal Truth, it does indeed displease me so much and I hold it in such abomination that for it alone I buried five cities by a divine judgment, my divine justice being no longer able to endure it. This sin not only displeases me as I have said, but also the devils whom these wretches have made their masters. Not that the evil displeases them because they like anything good, but because their nature was originally angelic, and their angelic nature causes them to loathe the sight of the actual commission of this enormous sin."
-- St Catherine of Siena

[Anonymous No.10939541]

>>10939406
Im pretty sure the anon is right and you are just a defeatist faggot

[Anonymous No.10939671]

>>10937950
too late for me, happily an unhappy 34yo NEET

[Anonymous No.10939672]

>>10937944
>>10939272
I have never taken an official test, but the couple online tests I've taken put me around 130.

College was a walk in the park for me. I felt no sense of fulfillment when I got any of my degrees (BS and MS in Telecom/EE) because of how little effort they took me. In most courses, all I had to do to outperform 80% of the class was attend half the lectures and study for 10 hours max before midterms and finals. Some courses I wouldn't even go to a single lecture. I completed most labs in half the time and then spent the other half helping others. People usually can't believe it's that easy for me.

The secondary effect is that I have become extremely lazy. First, because otherwise I would be driving at 300 km/h in a 120 km/h limited highway. Second, because I can get away with it.

Another problem is that I often underestimate the importance of menial tasks. e.g.: Networking to get a job. "Why should I be doing that when companies should be killing to hire someone with so much potential?" Well, because I can't put in my resume that I was playing cards instead of going to class and I still ended up in the top 10% of my promotion. And more importantly, because networking is way more efficient than applying online, which is mostly useless, even if I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.10939681]

>>10939525
Is it yours? That faggot posts that every time someone says faggot on /sci/.

[Anonymous No.10939698]

>>10939285
Learn to read. The point being made here is that you don't learn to work when you spend your whole life coasting through stuff made for people half as smart and being told you're a genius, not that work shouldn't be required. a key point is that being able to coast doesn't *actually* make you a genius

[Anonymous No.10939849]

>>10939516
I don't know that that test is actually timed, or if it just has a time limit, just take your time, getting answers correct will affect your score more than the time even if it is timed.

[Anonymous No.10939855]

>>10937944
Just specialize or go into business. 130 means you can compensate for most information blindness by cleverness and charisma alone, provided you are outgoing and ambitious enough to take pleasure in deceiving others.

[Anonymous No.10939870]

>>10937794
Based retard

[Anonymous No.10940008]

I've tested 146. 130s just say I'm retarded though. I got kicked out of my house for not having a Summer job after highschool and lived in my car for five months. I already had my Associates since I went to CC instead of highschool. Eventually got accepted into two state schools WSU, CWU and denied at UW for Winter term. Dropped out of CWU my Senior year and did the whole Army infantry for awhile. I got promoted once and just put myself in a low conscious mental state waiting for time to pass. I got to go to Afghanistan my last year which was reinvigorating for my psych at least.
Besides war they were happy people even with having no power or running water in their villages.
I finished two BSc which were Biology and Physics. GI Bill was able to pay for my minimal lifestyle. Applied for round 1 grad school and awaiting status now.

This is a glimpse of having 140+.

[Anonymous No.10940052]

Why are stemlords so insecure they always make these dumb IQ threads and brag about "smart but lazy" as if that means anything lmao!

[Anonymous No.10940118]

>>10940008
>made some mistakes
>did the army thing
>buckled down and went to college like a good boy
>everything is ok in the end, happiness will be attained just you watch world
how boring

[Anonymous No.10940175]

>>10939516
niga

[Anonymous No.10940176]

>>10940118
niga

[Anonymous No.10940181]

>>10940052
Stem guys aren't "smart but lazy", those are neets and humanities losers.

[Anonymous No.10940185]

>>10940008
why the fuck would you go to CWU and what was the reason for UW rejection? Your degree path is exactly what I’m aiming towards right now, similar background, home state and everything except not going to go cuck for uncle sam in germany moving crates around.

[Anonymous No.10940334]

>>10940181
NEETs and humanities students are usually simply lazy

[Anonymous No.10940342]

>>10937688
I think 130 is the number they make up for themselves because they haven't actually been tested. They choose 130 because it's high but not too high. Personally I find anybody who mentions IQ to be annoying.

[Anonymous No.10940491]

>>10937688
People who score 130 on IQ tests usually just got lucky and really have an IQ of like 120-125

[Anonymous No.10940746]

>>10940491
>just got lucky
How? They take hours, there's no multiple choice, so there's no luck. The only part that could be lucky is if you slept and ate well. I wrote the WAIS-II hungover (still a bit drunk even) and underslept and got 137..

[Anonymous No.10940761]

>>10940746
Mine went up 10 points on the WAIS-IV after I took it a second time. My IQ sure as fuck isn’t 133 like it says. That suggests to me that luck is a serious factor for some of these really high IQ scores.

[Anonymous No.10940765]

>>10939480
We can still do great things right? right?

[Anonymous No.10940776]

>>10940761
>second time
Why would you take an IQ test multiple times?

[Anonymous No.10940784]

>>10940761
Also, what section had increased? I feel some are more vulnerable to change than others, for instance verbal mostly relies on your vocabulary which can easily be taught/learned and is probably the least important part of an IQ test for an adult

[Anonymous No.10940787]

>>10940776
One was for an ADHD diagnosis, the other one was for an autism diagnosis. And there indeed were some multiple choice questions (Raven Progressive Matrices questions).

[Anonymous No.10940794]

>>10940787
So yours wasn't administered by a psychologist? Mine had no such MC questions.

[Anonymous No.10940796]

>>10940784
Processing speed went up by 24, verbal went up by 10, perceptual reasoning was the same, and working memory went down by 3. I indeed did do better on the vocabulary but the main thing that changed my verbal score was a huge improvement on Comparisons for some reason.

[Anonymous No.10940797]

>>10940787
lol. How do you diagnosis autism with an IQ test?

[Anonymous No.10940800]

>>10940794
It was professionally administered. There are multiple tests for each of the four subscores, but not all of them are always used.

[Anonymous No.10940803]

>>10940797
It’s to determine high-functioning autism vs. low-functioning autism. There were other tests to determine an actual presence of autism. I got diagnosed with high-functioning autism.

[Anonymous No.10940823]

>>10940761
The same "luck" is present throughout the whole test. It depends on your IQ when you start to utilize this "luck" you talk about.

[Anonymous No.10940826]

>>10940185
I grew up in a very poor area. Imagine Aberdeen being the closest city in 30 minutes. I didn't even know what SAT prep was and my parents only care about gambling their money away at a casino.

I had a low SAT score except in Math. That's why I had the rejection and I applied late too. As for CWU I was homeless and it was cheaper and I got accepted two months before WSU so I already had things setup with the school.

>>10940118
It's not really buckling down. Most people finish their undergrad at a young age. I finished at 28 and will be starting grad school at 29. What do you expect someone with a poor background? To become an instagram adventurer with hot women using funds from a trust fund that doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10940847]

>>10940823
The more exclusive a group is, the more likely that someone who doesn’t belong there is gonna get in. Even if only a few brainlets get lucky enough to get a 130+ IQ score on a fluke, they very well could be a large percentage of the people who scored 130+ simply because of the rarity of such scores.

[Anonymous No.10940910]

>>10940847
The likelihood that someone continuously keep giving the right or expected answers are not very high. So those people who "accidentally" get an IQ of 130+ are still, statistically, high IQ people (e.g. 128).

[Anonymous No.10940928]

>>10939308
Those damn higher math tests, I can relate to this.

[Anonymous No.10940943]

>>10940910
Mine jumped 10 points though like I said. And my original IQ score was roughly the same percentile as my SAT scores so I'm pretty sure my original IQ score is more accurate.

[Anonymous No.10940996]

>>10940847
3/100 isn't that exclusive

[Anonymous No.10941070]

>>10939672
Why don't you build a flying car if you want to go 300km/h. Do something interesting and challenging with your knowledge.

[Anonymous No.10941075]

Why is /tv/ so much smarter than /sci/?

[Anonymous No.10941081]

>>10941075
it isnt

[Anonymous No.10941085]

>>10940008
Dropping out your senior year and joining the military certainly demonstrates your mental prowess. Who am I to poke fences though, I dropped out my senior year of highschool, and did nothing for 7 years but smoke pot, lucid dream, and masterbate. I honestly feel like a genius for enjoying my life while you were subject to the governments will in a foreign desert. How did you not realize going to war for two skyscrapers was a scam from day one?

[Anonymous No.10941088]

Grug and big brain alliegence when
Rocks for the midwits

[Anonymous No.10941092]

>>10940342
130iq basically means you have the intellectual ability of an 18 year old when you are 15. You are certainly smarter than the average person in your group of pears, but 15 and 18 year olds are equally dumb for the same reasons.

[Anonymous No.10941093]

>>10941075
Not like any of those (probably fake) averages are impressive anyway.

[Anonymous No.10941096]

>>10941081
Really? Maybe the mentally curative effects of cunny have been overlooked?

[Anonymous No.10941102]

>>10940796
were you on medication when you took the second test?
>>10940826
You trying to work in structural biology with the bio+phys?

[Anonymous No.10941106]

>>10941102
I'm prescribed stimulants but I decided not to take any that day because I wanted to be accurately diagnosed.

[Anonymous No.10941107]

>>10937688
Look, OP, if anything's correlated with IQ, it's being prone to depression.
Enjoy.

[Anonymous No.10941108]

>>10941096
If you don't think 117 is an impressive average then you must have a 17 IQ

[Anonymous No.10941110]

>>10941108
It's not, sorry. Most people are retards, 117 is merely normal.

[Anonymous No.10941117]

>>10941106
From memory ADHD meds, even after cessation of the prescribed dose tend to cause significant cognitive performance increases in patients who legitimately suffer from the targeted disorders. Whether this is actually true or relevant to the window of time you had been prescribed them is kind of questionable. Were you previously unmedicated before taking the first test and did you feel any phenomenological differences in your thinking between when you began the medication and the test? I started to take ADHD meds again this winter and have seen my academic performance and control over behavior stabilize and improve dramatically but I don’t really care about taking an iq test to assess what the difference would be nor do i have a pre-medication test to compare with. Could also just be an outlier there are always going to be anomalous scores like yours, and enough people here claim to receive similar scores over time that it may not matter that you saw such dramatic improvement.

[Anonymous No.10941129]

>>10941117
I wasn't ever actually diagnosed with ADHD; my psychiatrist prescribed them to me because I was having difficulty doing school assignments I didn't care about. Both the ADHD and autism diagnosis processes determined my attention to be pretty good. I might actually perform worse on tests on ADHD meds but they do make things more enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.10941133]

>>10941110
But 117 as a MEDIAN IQ? Its not that 117 IQ itself is impressive, its impressive that there are enough significantly higher IQ's to drive up the average. Of course the thing is fake though, so fuck it.

[Anonymous No.10941142]

>>10941133
Yeah, but the other side of the coin is you have a bunch of people with low/average IQs who are prone to shitting up message boards with their inane FOTM opinions held by the masses.

[Anonymous No.10941149]

>>10941129
I can’t come up with a good explanation, if you were asked to take a half dozen tests over two years maybe the scores would concentrate closer to the first but that’s not going to happen so it is a bit strange. Iq is not a perfect test for intelligence there are many tasks that are higher level composites of many of the subtests that are probably more cognitively demanding which cannot be administered in a culturally fair or even consistent and timely manner and may only be relevant above a certain threshold. It is likely that up to ~2SD its fairly accurate but even then there are so many people walking around with depression, anxiety, adhd who would improve dramatically if mentally healthy; the alternative is simply denying intelligence can be assessed which defies empirical evidence and common sense so it seems we’re stuck with a measured skepticism regarding the tests until the neurobiological end is sorted out.
>>10941133
Consider before the election holocaust of good posters how many geniuses posted on /lit/ and /sci/, its not that interesting or impressive. There are a lot of retards on /tv/

[Anonymous No.10941200]

>>10941085
The Army wasn't anything patriotic. Just felt slow and mundane. Even going to Afghanistan it's not really fighting like a video game or movie would portray. You'll get some high adrenaline moments but 99% of that is literally just guarding something which is an even simpler task than a fry cook or cashier. Really high IQ people don't tend to do well in the military and promote from what I noticed. For Special Forces they actually prefer 110-130. Infantry just 100. They need majority followers and not leaders.
>>10941102
Nope but that is 99% of Biophysics.

I did some undergrad research on this https://www.pnas.org/content/106/29/11954 and plan to continue at grad school.

[Anonymous No.10941260]

>>10937688
>is 145 IQ good

What would possibly compel someone to make this search inquiry?

[Anonymous No.10941269]

>>10939285
>What do you want, to sprout off million dollar ideas and be pampered your whole life for your massive intelligence?

Uh. Yes. This should go without saying on 4chan.

[Anonymous No.10941322]

>>10941092
the math isn't that hard, 15*1.3 = 19.5
you should be able to do that in your head

[Anonymous No.10941329]

>>10940803
>It’s to determine high-functioning autism vs. low-functioning autism

That's retarded. The functionality of an autistic comes down to factors easily observed from psychoanalysis, or hell, just regular ol' conversation. It has nothing to do with IQ.

[Anonymous No.10941336]

>>10939530
>Religious Bloviation

[Anonymous No.10941372]

>try out Mensa IQ test
>it's like it was designed by someone with 80 IQ
>every single logic question is extremely easy
>some questions that don't have definite and only best-guess answers, like pic related
>some questions are designed with zero awareness of the fact that there are people living outside the US, like one which used nickels and dimes without saying how much they're worth
>after doing the whole thing, it says I have to pay to see my results (unless it was written very vaguely and it simply delays getting my answers if I don't pay)
I thought this was supposed to be THE IQ test? It's the single worst IQ test I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.10941417]

>>10937794
This.

God, I wish I was retarded.

[Anonymous No.10941450]

>>10941372
>that
>best guess answer
Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10941499]

>>10941372
>he actually answered pitcher
LOL

[Anonymous No.10941504]

>>10941372
>ambiguous
>all 5 of those things use gunpowder to launch a projectile
brainlet

[Anonymous No.10941508]

>>10941372
that's not a mensa IQ test by any means btw, mensa has no verbal portion.

[Anonymous No.10941509]

>another IQ thread

[Anonymous No.10941512]

>>10941336
where is this? and why is everyone wearing a mask?

[Anonymous No.10941519]

iq doens't mean anything
i got tested and got 86 but that didn't stop me from getting accepted to a top 20 med school

[Anonymous No.10941530]

>>10941519
that's because you're not White or Asian, and I feel sorry for your patients if you make it out of med school

[Anonymous No.10941548]

>>10941530
im east asian (gook)
i am barely passing though

[Anonymous No.10941623]

>>10939672
I Did an information systems degree. There were only a few filter courses which required me putting in a ton of time. Also some other courses did require me putting in close to the time / week that stood for the course. You can't skip some of the needed experience in programming, you have to put in the time. There was 1 course in law I followed in my Bsc as an elective since it interested me. Went to like 2 lectures out of the 16 and had the highest grade lol.

I find attending lectures detrimental to my academic performance actually. Many profs do not know how to explain concepts during lectures. For example I had a statistics course where a prof insisted on diving straight deep into math formulas and foundations of statistical tests and explained them from that point. Which is really a great deal harder than just searching up online in how all of those tests works, the assumptions, when you should / shouldn't do them and so on, then you understand what you actually need in ~1-2 hours lol.

The benefit you have with networking is that if you're competent, smart and hold certain opinions is that it's easy to attract like minded people. Having a conversation that shows you're knowledgeable to the other person's bias puts you in a favorable position. You shouldn't be looking at jobs but at career advancements and people who can be useful to you in some sort of way. Either because those people are smart, wealthy or hold some different kind of appeal. I tend to cut people I perceive as useless people quickly out of my life because they will start to anger me.

I do recognize being lazy. In uni I usually just did things out of comfort and regularly took 2-3 week breaks. It kind of sounds like I did a humanities degree but it wasn't. I did do a couple of them though and for all I learned literally the day before the exam and passed them all with top grades. I attended only for 1 of the courses the lectures since it was an interesting topic.

[Anonymous No.10941737]

>>10941548
so you're not one of the overrepresented due to a higher IQ population and proving my point. you're there for affirmative action, go be a doctor back in Vietnam when you're finished.

[Anonymous No.10941989]

>>10941737
not him but gook is korean

[Anonymous No.10942036]

>>10937688
An IQ of 130 corresponds with around 98 percentile.

Think about I this way OP. If you were stuck on on an Island if 1000 people randomly selected from around the United States, and all of you were to be assigned to professions. You would expect there to be about 20 people smarter than you.

To run an Island of a population of 1000, you wouldn't need more than 10 to 12 officials running the island's governing affairs. You would probably be just good enough to be the village blacksmith.

[Anonymous No.10942046]

>>10937834
I have tons publications on /sci/. You can search for them on desuarchive. My h-index (greentext) is about 100. Does that count?

[Agente somos No.10942056]

>>10937688 >>10942036 >>10941989 >>10941737 >>10942046

Japanese-Brazilian researcher reporting
日系ブラジル人研究者の報告

The Q's grimoire is "Linda E. Reichl The transition to chaos: conservative classical systems and quantum manifestations"

http://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=4DB31D1EFF2F391C3A610A4C7B8E003B

Because it has A...Q appendices

If (you) wanna beat Area 51 read it

[Anonymous No.10942066]

>>10941509
This appeared a lot later in the thread than expected

[Anonymous No.10942067]

>>10939272
that's just an existential crisis. you realized all is in vain, it is all vanity. that feeling can come and go.

[Anonymous No.10942069]

>>10939285

Ed Witten got through Jackson in under a month with zero previous exposure to physics or mathematics beyond the rudimentary level of a humanities major. That's the power of IQ.

[Anonymous No.10942075]

>>10942056
サルはバナナを食べに黙っていなさいな

[Anonymous No.10942074]

>>10942066
That means the average IQ of /sci/ is decreasing.

[Anonymous No.10942088]

>>10942036
>implying it is the smartest who run the govt not the dumbest with connections
but the prediction about the blacksmith seems correct.

[Anonymous No.10942093]

>>10942069
>That's the power of IQ.
his dad was also a theoretical physicist tho lol, dude has been exposed to it before he was even born

so your theory is wrong

[Anonymous No.10942097]

>>10941372
a pitcher is where you keep beer not balls, retard

[Anonymous No.10942109]

>>10942074
I know. There's something about that fact which puts me on edge.

[Anonymous No.10942113]

>>10939672
most high IQ people are autistic/shut-ins/etc and they suck at networking. that's why low IQ chads become managers and rule the world.

t. neither

[Anonymous No.10942121]

>>10942088
> but the prediction about the blacksmith seems correct.

It's actually an occupation I wouldn't mind having. Creating things out of hot metal, work by yourself..perhaps have one apprentice under your supervision, and get paid well.

[Anonymous No.10942124]

>>10941070
What I mean with the highway analogy is that the educational system is designed for normie pace. You can't go faster because they don't let you, and even if they did you probably don't want to because of the social consequences. I would rather slow down than feel that less than 1% of the population has something to offer in a conversation.

>>10941623
The benefit of networking is that a single referral gets you an interview in the same week, while applying online gets you an interview out of every hundred applications. At least that's the way it works in the US when you're not a US citizen.

I share that learning everything the day before experience. For some courses, I wouldn't even know what they were about until a couple days before the exam.

[Anonymous No.10942132]

>>10941260
Probably a 100 something who met someone who had said they had 145.

[Anonymous No.10942155]

>>10937794
Based. But not because of some /pol/ conspiracy like a lot of /pol/tards tend to think. It's simply an artifact of the economic structure of our current times. Outsourcing, and new tech replace those occupations which correspond to those ranges. If you are less than 145, you're much more likely to get a job at Amozon or wall mart, than be a company CFO. If you are 145 or higher, and have the right connections, then you are part of the cognitive elite.

[Anonymous No.10942214]

>>10941372
This test is garbage take the norway one

[Anonymous No.10942221]

>>10942088
Smart people rarely care about power

[Anonymous No.10942244]

No the difference between 130s and 140-150IQ is smaller than the above average person and the "gifted" one, at that point it's mostly comes to speed and not abstraction and creativity, That actually can mess with the 130s motivation tho like >>10939308
said, especially when approaching hard subjects like philosophy and math.

[Anonymous No.10942268]

I have 130 iq but my long term memory sucks

[Anonymous No.10942322]

Sorry anon, but you are not supposed to post some psuedoscience phenomenon in the /sci/.
Cut this BS IYI crap and shut the fuck up!

[Anonymous No.10942694]

>>10939671
Hello. How do you survive? I ask because i am intrigued, as I am 34 with 133 according to mensa online test, and often wish to be a NEET.

[Anonymous No.10942733]

I was tested at ~135 when I was 12 so not really relevant to the present. Apparently I have a good neural network allowing me to remember information and amass a great deal of general(lly useless) knowledge but deep down I feel like a brainlet.

Allegedly Leonardo da Vinci once said that there are three types of people in the world; those who see, those who see when they are shown and those who do not see. I often feel like the second, equipped well enough to see but needing to be shown none the less.

[Anonymous No.10942736]

>>10937688
Ex mensa member here. IQ is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10942747]

>>10942736
Why did you pay for it in the first place?

[Anonymous No.10942749]

>>10942747
Bacause I was like 20 and arrogant?

[Anonymous No.10942811]

>>10942749
My father and I both qualified but he and I both firmly believes it's a ruse to collect money from 2% of the population.

I agree IQ is irrelevant to the success of an individual but it does have a place in general trends.

[Anonymous No.10942812]

>>10941075
Even if the average for /b/ were 92, the distribution evidently has more than its share of stratospheric outliers, and /tv/ a whole lot less of its share: As drama, it is absolutely stultifying as a middle-school locker-room in a lower-middle district of Burgerstan.

[Anonymous No.10942820]

>>10942811
>I agree IQ is irrelevant to the success of an individual
Do you actually believe this though? Does someone born with an IQ of 70 have equal chance at "success" (whichever way you define it) as someone with an IQ of 100 or 150? It's bullshit and you know it.

[Anonymous No.10942821]

>>10941075
Nice source

[Anonymous No.10942831]

>>10942820
Unironically I do believe this assuming the ones nearing 70-80IQ don't have some form of mental retardation.
And I'd prefer to define success in this post as "standards of living"

A lot of success is due to talent and/or environment.
Talent is talent and not bounded to IQ. Sports, Music&Entertainment, Art. All ways one can be successful.
Environment allows one to benefit from nepotism and the like. A 80IQ individual in a 1st world country will objectively have a better life than most of those in a 3rd world country regardless of IQ.

[Anonymous No.10942833]

>>10937688
this thread is so bad

[Anonymous No.10942848]

>>10942811
My best friend from HS scored in the 170s, and was a depressed NEET for most of his adult life, to which lung cancer put an end. Not sure if it's typical of those in that range, but his predominating quality in conversation was of a boundless, almost passive, helpfulness: I have never met anyone less manipulative or generally rancorous throughout the range of moods in which discourse remains at all possible. And it's primarily because of that, that I regard the minds of all politicians with the same contempt I have for petulant children.

[Anonymous No.10942862]

>>10942831
Mental retardation is arbitrary decided. Having an IQ of 70-80 means you are intellectually hampered to a certain degree no matter if that is officially classified as mental retardation or not. By extension someone with that IQ is at an inherent disadvantage.

>Talent is talent and not bounded to IQ.
There's no disadvantages to having a higher IQ in any of these, arguably there are disadvantages to having a low IQ so again someone with a higher IQ has a better predisposition to begin with which will improve his chances of "success" in that field. And even if that was not the case it's interesting that you point out trends but maintain that at an individual level it doesn't matter. But what are trends if not the average of individuals? Statistically low IQ means lower chances of success. Nowhere does this exclude low IQ individual being successful or high IQ individuals being exclusively successful but pretending it has no effects is wrong and claiming it is irrelevant to success is likewise wrong. It's not a guarantee of success but it sure improves your chances.

>A lot of success is due to talent and/or environment.
Of course but no matter the environment a mentally retarded person will never become a physicist so by virtue of having a lower IQ his options are already more limited.

>will objectively have a better life than most of those in a 3rd world country regardless of IQ.
But now you have a completely different baselines. Yeah an 80 IQ individual will be more successful if you throw the high IQ individual in a volcano at his birth but that's self evident anyway. Also, I wouldn't agree with you regarding the 3rd world entirely as income inequality there is especially grotesque so those successful individuals (who also tend to be high IQ) end up very wealthy while living in a poor society. Nothing illustrates this more than Indian slums back dropped by 21st century skyscrapers so I wouldn't be so convinced of your last statement.

[Agente somos くるみんや No.10942863]

>>10942075
>Monkey
Goku would kick your ass.
俺がドラゴンボールの孫悟空に成ったらお前の尻(ケツ)を蹴ってぶちのめすぞ。

[Anonymous No.10942894]

>>10942862
Agreed on the first statement but this more lies into the specifics of what IQ demonstrates. Usually those with extremely low IQs are due to a genetic disease. Could you be low/high IQ without some sort of genetic or hormonal abnormalities? And if so is intellectual hampering only due to some sort of nonstandard condition.

As for trends. Jewish/Asian Americans are more likely to go to college, but ultimately it's on the individual to see that happen.

As for 3rd world there is huge wealth disparities and those wealthy live more luxurious lives than your average American but that is mainly due to nepotism of being born in a rich family. It would be interesting to see the IQ levels of the most rich but to include family under that umbrella. Jeff Bezos children will be successful. Majority of engineers, doctors, lawyers, phd level scientists are sons of those occupations.

[Anonymous No.10942916]

>>10942894
>Usually those with extremely low IQs are due to a genetic disease.
That's just another way to say they're genetically low IQ. They inherited it from their parents, just like high IQ individuals did (excluding outliers).

>As for trends. Jewish/Asian Americans are more likely to go to college, but ultimately it's on the individual to see that happen.
They also have higher average IQ's. Sadly someone with a low IQ will have great adversity in an academic setting so he's less likely to achieve this. Is it any surprise then that the same people who have, on average, higher IQ's, are also over represented in academia? You can argue that culture plays a role, and it does, but if Jews had an average IQ of 80 they would not be over represented imo.

>As for 3rd world there is huge wealth disparities and those wealthy live more luxurious lives than your average American but that is mainly due to nepotism of being born in a rich family.
That's only the case for certain countries, usually Arab states full of oil, which represent a small % of the total world population. Most wealth is not inherited, most millionaires are self made.

>Jeff Bezos children will be successful.
Aside from making an assumption that's fairly stupid, as most wealth is lost within 3 generations and he might as well overdose on a billion dollar yacht, I don't see how an anecdotal case, son of a billionaire, changes the reality that low IQ individuals are less likely to be successful in society? It's the equivalent of saying human height is irrelevant in basketball because it doesn't follow linearly that height = better at basketball even though height is a major and critical component of being successful at basketball. Likewise high IQ = more success isn't a necessary but is the expected result so turning around and saying IQ is irrelevant to success is as legitimate as saying that height is irrelevant to basketball because there are other factors at play as well.

[Anonymous No.10942924]

>Majority of engineers, doctors, lawyers, phd level scientists are sons of those occupations.
Now this I don't believe considering how practically half the population is getting higher education while their parents didn't have one

[Anonymous No.10943052]

Talking about iintelligence is unintelligent

Prove me wrong

[Anonymous No.10943089]

As someone with an IQ of 150 I can honestly say I look down on every single person I ever interact with.
This doesn't mean I hold anything against them or am incapable of tolerating their company but deep down inside at every moment I am aware that I am fundamentally above them and always will be.

[Anonymous No.10943111]

>>10943052
ITT Low IQ retards with a superiority complex and an IQ TEST for 123iq or some bullshit where they got 130

[Anonymous No.10943142]

>>10942820
I think it plays an I directed role.
Lower social status may indicate lower IQ and viceversa, meaning that the genetic traits of IQ are preserved in communities.
Take a person with 100 IQ and put him in a high social environment and he may be successful.

[Anonymous No.10943359]

>>10943089
I don't have 150IQ but i'm tested as gifted and this is true, while acknowledging that i always have the feeling of being responsible and protective of the individual i care about or even ones i don't even know but sense they're about to make a mistake.

[Anonymous No.10943361]

>>10943089
based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.10943400]

>>10937688
You can cross 130 when you actually do math problem as a hobby. You calm your emotions because when you fail to prove math theorem and mentally feel satisfied, you kill your emotions and instead try all logical route. Emotions don't work with math problems. You can't negotiate so you up your logical brain and in sense up your IQ. As I mentioned it should be your hobby and you should be obsessive about it just like one autistic who posted about copy writing math books he read.

[Anonymous No.10943421]

Going to pass a mensa admission test in my country in a few weeks to know my iq.
Getting into mensa doesn't interest me in the slightest, but I want to know my iq.

I predict my iq to be around 130, that's what I get on most mensa pre-test I've done and also people always said of me that I had good logical thinking since early childhood.

Probably going to kill myself if I don't get at least 120.

[Anonymous No.10943480]

Where do I test my iq?

[Anonymous No.10943500]

Going to take a mensa admission test in my country in a few weeks.
I don't give a shit about mensa all I want is a cheap iq test.
I predict my iq to be arround 130, I've always been told since early childhood that I had good logical thinking (currently studying computer science).

Probably going to kill myself if I don't get at least 120.

>>10943480
You can take the actual mensa test like I'm going to.

[Anonymous No.10943819]

>>10943500
> Probably going to kill myself if I don't get at least 120
Yeah, that would only put you around the "big boy" range....yikes!!

[Anonymous No.10944006]

Been browsing /sci/ for few months only. Why are you guys so obsessed with IQ all the time. Most of the talks about what iq score is the most based.

Just don't get the obsession with this topic.

[Anonymous No.10944551]

>>10944006
iq is for sci, what height is for fit

[Anonymous No.10944571]

Is 120 the 5'10"?

[Anonymous No.10944584]

>>10943500
Same story with me:
>lol youre so smart anon
>youre a walking encyclopedia
>your brain is a computer

>do the test
>110
It's been less than a month and I still don't know how I am gonna cope. I'm trying to grow a chip on my shoulder and be the underdog.

[Anonymous No.10944620]

>>10944584
It's the reason why I ever want to take the test. It can only end in disaster.

If you score 130+, you'll become lazy and arrogant and not even try any more.

If you score <130, then you'll get down on yourself and an hero.

[Anonymous No.10944762]

>>10942155
what if my IQ is 140 but I'm also a psychopath?

[Anonymous No.10944804]

>>10944762
Psychos are mostly lowlife criminals, so that would be highly unlikely.

[Anonymous No.10944808]

>>10944804
Psychopath as in pic related, not serial killer

[Anonymous No.10944833]

>>10944006
Intellectual insecurity and a prolification of racial movltivated emphasis on IQ from /pol/ spill overs.

[Anonymous No.10945193]

>>10944571
No 120IQ is 6'1

[Anonymous No.10945434]

>>10945193
130IQ is common enough nowadays for where it matters. I'd certainly say 130IQ is the 6'1

[Anonymous No.10945438]

>>10944571
>>10945193
>>10945434
IQ is nothing like height. It's more like penis size, you can choose whether or not to whip it out.

[Anonymous No.10945868]

I have an IQ roughly 40 points higher than my peers.

I would figure that being outside during the day, exposed to sunlight, for even 3~4 hours per day, can guarantee you'll have a sub-100 IQ. If you are active outside during the day and any IQ test has reported you have an IQ over 100, it is invalid.

[Anonymous No.10946077]

>>10937944
>>10939272
Your problems have nothing to do with your IQ. Plenty of the most famous scientists/mathematicians/artists/philosophers probably had ~130 IQ.

[Anonymous No.10946084]

>>10937688
I don't know. I was tested at 135 and my peers don't consider me arrogant. I have to say that I'm also a huge assburger so maybe that makes me atypical.

[Anonymous No.10946429]

>>10944584
This doesn't comfort me in the slightest.
The worst part is that if I'm being really honest with myself my iq is probably arround 110-120.

How well did you do on mensa pre tests (I know it's useless since you probably got arround 130 like everyone)? Or other online tests?

Even if it's hard I'd rather know it, I've been too obsessed by my iq those last few years.

[Anonymous No.10946443]

>>10937950
>le smart but lazy

No. It's over.

[Anonymous No.10946486]

>>10944808
Both "psychopath" and "sociopath" are unscientific terms. The correct terminology is Anti-Social Personality Disorder. They can be used in layman's terms, but any trial of differentiation among them is pseudoscientific at best.
Those with ASPD are mostly impulsive and aggressive. They have virtually no empathy, yes, but also no self-control.

>>10946429
There were 0 pre-tests. I just did the 36-question Raven's Matrices.
Online tests are a joke. The scores are completely meaningless. I got 128 in both mensa.no and .dk and 135 on Wechsler.

[Anonymous No.10947031]

What is with this crazy idea that being able to get away with doing nothing has something to do with intelligence. That's almost entirely down to facility for social manipulation which doesn't correlate positively with IQ anyway.

[Anonymous No.10947166]

>got 140 on WAIS
>just took test on mensa.dk
>133
What gives, /sci/?
Also, how the hell do you do this one? I've been looking at it for 10 minutes now.
>inb4 top left corner is blue square, top right is red
That's not even listed in the answers.

[Anonymous No.10947188]

>>10946486
>confirmed brainlet
>still trying to explain ideas incorrectly to the other people with no nuance or in depth appreciation of the mechanics
Hahahahahahahahahaha

[Anonymous No.10947479]

Does sci unironically tell people they're 130IQ+ from a self diagnosed IQ test?

Take a professionally administered test and you'll be lucky to even get 118IQ. The mean for online IQ tests is close to 125 so it should tell you something about them.

[Anonymous No.10947487]

>>10947166
top right blue,
bottom right red?

if the grey blob works like a reflection operation

[Anonymous No.10947529]

>>10947487
I think this is right. I think it would be more consistent if the gray rectangle in the middle box was directly down its center though. Under the reflection rule, the gray boxes at the top and bottom would reflect like there's a line drawn through them so that there's an equal amount of smaller squares on either side of the line. The middle one would reflect like it has a line drawn through the gray rectangle's far right side, or alternatively like the area contained by the gray and white rectangles switched places. If this is the correct answer, it feels subtly wrong, though it makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10947553]

>>10939480
thanks for proving the point of >>10937794

[Anonymous No.10947554]

>>10947166
rotate middle grey matrix 90degrees CCW, overlay over left matrix, switch cells that would be in grey. answer is blue top right, red bottom right, leftside all white

[Anonymous No.10947580]

>>10947554
damn how do people realize stuff like this. seems like a super arbitrary thing to try when there are a bunch of other things you could do