/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10931273]

Reminder that if you believe in ANY of the following, you are a retard:
>Humans do not contribute to global warming
>We live in a simulation
>Vaccines cause autism
>The universe is finite
>Infinity is paradoxical/Infinity "doesn't exist"
>Mathematics is a human invention
>Philosophy is just semantics
>Reality is Deterministic
>Humans have Free Will
>Truth subjective
>Relativity is a lie
>Artificial Intelligence will never exist
>Causality is equivalent to determinism
>"Science"/empiricism is the only method for finding truth

[Anonymous No.10931275]

www.reddit.com is the website you are looking for. Upvoted.

[Anonymous No.10931283]

>>10931273
there used to be an anon here who posted threads like this, and they were bretty good. yours is OK too, but maybe go to warosu.org/sci and hone your skills by studying the old masters

anyhow, let me add that math and physics are the highest fields of study, pic related

[Anonymous No.10931312]

>>10931273
> Truth is not subjective
> Relativity is true
What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.10931317]

>>10931283
>math
yes
>physics
lmao no

[Anonymous No.10931324]

LOL upvoted!

Edit: Thanks for the gold, kind stranger!

[Anonymous No.10931325]

>>10931317
anon, i object. pic related is me explaining this to you.

[Anonymous No.10931328]

>>10931273
>Vaccines cause autism
then why am i not allowed to do a study to confirm it?

[Anonymous No.10931348]

>>10931328
you're not? oh maybe it's because you are a normie without any academic credentials.... right?

[Anonymous No.10931505]

>>10931273
>The universe is finite
>Reality is Deterministic
Why does believing these make someone a retard?

[Anonymous No.10931816]

>>10931273
haha look at that retard, he believes in objective truths

[Anonymous No.10931822]

>>10931348
I have a PhD in mathematics and make over 300k a year.

[Anonymous No.10931853]

>>10931273
>Infinity exists
>Reality is not deterministic
>It's still causal though
>There's a better epistemology than empiricism

You're not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.10931938]

>>10931822
Then how are you going to do a study on medicine you halfwit ?

[Anonymous No.10932116]

>>10931273
>anyone with a different opinion than me is a retard
double retard

[Anonymous No.10932446]

>>10932116
this.
/thread

[Anonymous No.10932450]

We're probably in some sort of simulation if you broaden your definition and include a philosophical approach

[Anonymous No.10933380]

>>10931853
I already made it, unlike you, incel

[Anonymous No.10933581]

>>10931938
What part of
> math PhD
> 300k starting
> any job I want
do you not understand?

[THREAD JACKER No.10933642]

>>10931273
>I can't make threads on /sci/ so I will settle for replying to shitposts to hijack the thread
New thread topic: What mechanical description of motion should I optimize in order to optimize a strike? Possible answers include:
>kinetic energy
>momentum
>force
>impulse
>pressure
>optimize closeness to natural frequency
>something else?

[Anonymous No.10933782]

>>10933581
Who said you can't?
I am pretty sure it is not illegal.

[Anonymous No.10933898]

>>10933380
b nice

[Anonymous No.10933908]

>>10931273
>>Humans have Free Will
The scientific consensus is that free will exists.

[Anonymous No.10933922]

>>10933908
Based on what?

[Anonymous No.10933941]

>>10933908
This doesn't become true even if you post it in every thread.

[Anonymous No.10933961]

>>10931273
>Reality is Deterministic
>Humans have Free Will

it's reality is deterministic then people have no Free will , you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10933979]

>>10933961
>it's reality is deterministic then people have no Free will , you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10933981]

>>10933961
He’s says both those things are wrong. Reality not being deterministic doesn’t mean there’s free will

[Anonymous No.10934006]

>>10933979
Compatibilitsm is a meme idea for people who accept hard determinism but are uncomfortable with the implications to help them avoid having an identity crisis

[Anonymous No.10934011]

>>10931275
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.10934370]

>>10933922
>Based on what?
The judgment of scientists.

[Anonymous No.10934509]

>>10931273
>We live in a simulation
damn elon musk is a fucking dumbass

[Anonymous No.10934583]

>>10931273
>Mathematics is a human invention
literally is though...Please show me magical sky fairies if you disagree plato

[Anonymous No.10934777]

>>10934006
Uneducated nigger retard. People who shill for memey jewish will have inferiority complex, not identity crisis, and they can't accept compatibilism because to defeat inferiority complex they need magic, that compatibilism doesn't provide, it only provides meaningful definition of free will.

[Anonymous No.10934787]

>>10931273
>The universe is finite
>Infinity is paradoxical/Infinity "doesn't exist"
>Mathematics is a human invention
>Reality is Deterministic
>Humans have Free Will
>Truth subjective
>Causality is equivalent to determinism
>"Science"/empiricism is the only method for finding truth
Why a retard would be surprised by finite universe?

[Anonymous No.10934800]

>>10931273
>>The universe is finite

We do not know the real size of the universe. Nice fail of a post, OP.

[Anonymous No.10934801]

>>10931273
O-K

[Anonymous No.10934802]

>>10934800
even if the universe is finite, reality definitely is not
so it's a moot question

[Anonymous No.10934838]

>>10934800
How would you establish locality over infinite universe instantaneously?

[Anonymous No.10934847]

>>10931273
>Truth subjective

Some truths are absolute, like 2 + 2 = 4. But most "truth" relies on some subjective tolerance. Like if a rock weighs 5.0000000000000000018293 pounds and someone says that it weighs 5 pounds, is that true or false? Objectively speaking it's false, but almost everyone would agree that it's true.

[Anonymous No.10934897]

>>10934006
>Compatibilitsm
Compatibilism means that the free will is true, as is experienced every day of your life.
Determinism is likewise undeniable.
Don't understand how, but compatible they are.

[Anonymous No.10935142]

>>10931273
>Mathematics is a human invention
>Philosophy is just semantics
>Truth subjective
These are true.

[Anonymous No.10935148]

>>10934006
The OP is saying that there is no determinism AND humans have no free will. He is a "hard indeterminist" based on that little chart.

[Anonymous No.10935152]

>>10935142
None of those are true.

[Anonymous No.10935154]

>>10934847
It's a rough approximation of the objective truth.

[Anonymous No.10935159]

>>10935152
See, it's subjective.

[Anonymous No.10935161]

>>10935159
No, its objective, you are wrong and none of those are true.

[Anonymous No.10935166]

>>10931273
>The universe is finite
So what you're saying is that there is a reality where OP is not a fag?

[Anonymous No.10935190]

>>10935161
Then prove it.

[Anonymous No.10935201]

>Mathematics is a human invention
this is literally true though

[Anonymous No.10935204]

>>10935201
It's literally not true though

[Anonymous No.10935205]

>>10935204
what is math then

[Anonymous No.10935212]

>>10931273
Most of this was agreeable but then you said some bullshit.
>The universe is finite
Of course there's no boundary, but what leads you to believe that the universe is not topologically a compact manifold? I feel like that's a very reasonable possibility.
>Relativity is a lie
Depends in what you mean. Of course physics needs to be studied from a relativistic standpoint. But Einstein's theories of relativity are models. No one claims that they are absolutely true.

[Anonymous No.10935215]

>>10933642
Time rate of change of momentum

[Anonymous No.10935224]

>>10933961
>>10933979
>>10934006
Big dick quarter: free will debate is just semantics and ultimately irrelevant to how we experience the universe

[Anonymous No.10935232]

>>10935205
It's a search within the Heyting algebra for tautologies.
Mathematicians are basically "travelers" who travel this uncountable set of logics and bring back tautologies in the different spaces within it. None of it is "Made up", it's recursively generated from the Kernel of Truth. A mathematical proof is then a "pointer" to some mathematical object/structure out in the platonic realm, which is a traversed in the algebra.
Wolfram is now recursively generating the infinite lattice and has discovered that the general logics that we tend to use is the ~50,000th brance of the lattice (a result which is kinda nice and cutesy but doesn't really mean that much overall). This is because the shortest condition to define the NAND operation has a value around that ordinal.

[Anonymous No.10935240]

>>10931273

[Anonymous No.10935261]

>>10931312
i don't see the conflict

truth is something outside of ourselves, which we look at and judge
there is only one truth

perception is something within ourselves, and everything in perception is relative

truth/reality and perception of truth/reality are different concepts

[Anonymous No.10935301]

>>10931273
Mathematics is a human invention.

[Anonymous No.10935340]

Assuming truths exists and that its possible for a human to comprehend a true thing; Its still not possible to know if any of the things you know are true things. You can use observation and reason to make assumptions about how likely something might be true relative to other things, but nothing more.

Empiricism is ontologically materialist, it claims that we learn things by observing reality, which exists prior to observation. Because our observations lead us to the understanding that our senses are imperfect and thus our observations are potentially flawed, to hold that you can obtain truths through empiricism as practiced by a human is ontologicaly idealist, as it substitutes the actual reality of the material with the constructed reality of the mind consisting of perfectly true things you have observed.
Therefore to believe you can use an ontologically materialist method to arrive at truth is itself ontologically idealist.

Because experience and observation shows the assumptions created through ontological materialist methods to be more successful and useful to interacting with and surviving in the world than assumptions derived from methods of idealist ontology, we can reason there is a higher chance that materialism is superior to idealism for the purposes of discovering likely things.

This means the most sensible stance is to assume reality exists before idea, and assume the ideas you obtain from your perceptions of it are false.

[Anonymous No.10935390]

>>10933908
>>10934370
>>10934897
>>10934006
>>10934777
>>10935224
https://naturalism.org/philosophy/free-will/luck-swallows-everything

[Anonymous No.10935532]

>>10935301
Nope, see >>10935232

[Anonymous No.10935544]

>>10935340
All of this is thrown out by accepting rational idealist method of reasoning is in fact superior to empiricist materialist methods (which you have shown to be faulty)

[Anonymous No.10935553]

>>10931273
The further you go down the list the shittier it gets.

[Anonymous No.10935656]

>>10935232
>out in the platonic realm
You could have unironically said God and had a more empirical point. Math worshipping is complete faggotry.

[Anonymous No.10935665]

>>10935656
No one cares about "empiricism" once the foundations are established. There is nothing special or good about "empiricism" as an ontology, it's inferior and for brainlets.
Literally every animal naturally practices "empiricism" - wolfs learn about how trees fall and how that affects hunting, squirrels learn about season, even other great apes learn about value of currency in controlled environments. But only intelligent humans have the concept of rationality - because it requires higher intelligence and abstraction to understand as the truth.
By claiming only empiricism is valid, you are literally admitting that you are a stupid fucking animal, inferior to real human beings and incapable of genuine intellectual abstraction.

[Anonymous No.10935683]

>>10935665
That’s the best you got and you claim your stance is rationality? You know what, animals also shit. Guess that makes you a “stupid fucking animal”.

[Anonymous No.10935955]

>>10935390
Stupid sophistry, behavior is determined by present state, not by past. Past might as well not exist at all, and it doesn't indeed.

[Anonymous No.10936164]

>>10933908
>>10934370
Bullshit. There is no scientific theory or evidence regarding free will whatsoever. If you ask any scientist about it, they might think it's an interesting question but they will tell you they don't know the answer.

[Anonymous No.10936183]

>>10931273
>Reality is not Deterministic
>Humans don't have Free Will
literally the cuck position

[Anonymous No.10936195]

>>10935261
The thing is, there may be an absolute truth, but since we appraise through our limited perception that is not a forgone conclusion. We can say that something is practically true, a la within the 99.9999etc percentile, but that still isn’t fast and firm reality. This is from a statistical, quantum, and philosophical standpoint.

[Anonymous No.10936206]

>>10936183
How is the truth the cuck position?

[Anonymous No.10936227]

>>10933581
>300k starting
I'm gonna need to see some proofs for that brainsplat

[Anonymous No.10936242]

I don't think any man who argues that global warming is not the result of human activity/ doesn't exist can call himself a scientist, and thus should not be on /sci/

[Anonymous No.10936327]

>>10931273
>finite universe
Why?

>infinity didn't exist
Define "exist". No such thing as infinity in the real, physical world.

>AI
Define AI. It used to mean something different than what it's used as now.

>finding truth
Not finding it, but making absolutely sure it's true. We need the scientific method for that and it won't fail.

[Anonymous No.10936328]

>>10931273
wow OP you really got me. Im a retard, but you have shown me the error of my ways. Now im going to be smart like you.

[Anonymous No.10936834]

>>10936206
>(((truth)))

[Anonymous No.10937416]

>>10935955
believing that (future) behavior is determined (caused) by the present state commits you to belief in causality.
you should read that article, it's really good.

[Anonymous No.10937609]

>>10936242
OP is saying that if you are arguing that global warming isn't caused by humans, you are a retard.

[Anonymous No.10937703]

>>10931273
Oh no

[Anonymous No.10937705]

>>10936242
>anyone who disagrees with my hypothesis is not a scientist

[Anonymous No.10937758]

>>10936834

[Anonymous No.10937825]

>>10931273
I'll play your little game.

>>Humans do not contribute to global warming
They almost surely do. The question is to what extent, how big a crisis is it creating, and what is the best way to deal with it? That would need its own thread, though trolls will probably destroy it.

>>We live in a simulation
No evidence for, non provable. Maybe, but so what. IF YOU DIE IN THE GAME, YOU DIE FOR REAL!!!! Play the cards you is dealt.

>>Vaccines cause autism
They do not.

>>The universe is finite
Maybe, put me down as open to that being proved, as open to the opposite. It is not a question I have spent any time considering. It's bigger than I'll ever need to worry about.

>>Infinity is paradoxical/Infinity "doesn't exist"
Nah, can't see the first being true. No opinion on the second.

>>Mathematics is a human invention
Obviously. It describes reality, but in artificial human terms. It can also be used to describe shit that ain't real. You make you postulates, you takes you chances.

>>Philosophy is just semantics
Not JUST.

>>Reality is Deterministic
No opinion.

>>Humans have Free Will
I was going to say we do not, but then I changed my mind. If we don't, then the fact that we are predetermined to waste so much time arguing about it seems a flaw in the design.

>>Truth subjective
Depends on which definition of Truth you are using.

>>Relativity is a lie
No. It is an accurate theory on the scales for which it appropriate, but it is not a complete theory. There may not be a complete unified theory, which would be one of God's best jokes on us.

>>Artificial Intelligence will never exist

DK. Again, though, define terms. It exists now, for a sufficiently loose definition.

>>Causality is equivalent to determinism
No opinion

>>"Science"/empiricism is the only method for finding truth
Nope. It is a damned good method for finding truth within the frame of reference where it is applicable, though.

[Anonymous No.10937845]

>>10937825
So you agree with everything OP says. What game are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.10937863]

>>10931822
Cool , then begin your study. Nobody is stopping you.