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>Just learn programming bro you'll get a good job
>Here just read a few books on data structures and algorithms the job will be waiting for you on the other side

>> No.10926397

>>10926346
boomers are delusional

>> No.10926410

>>10926346
>if you follow these instructions, you will get a good job and a good life
do brainlets actually think the world works like this?

>> No.10926418
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10926418

I did ultimately get my dream data science job with a BSME, but it would have been much (much (much)) easier just to have gone the CS route.

>> No.10927303

>>10926346
>when you know recursion and priority queues but still can’t get the informatics networking job

>> No.10927408

are you saying i should not switch from physics to compsci?

>> No.10927427

>>10927408
He's clearly alluding that programming and data structures is more complicated than /sci/ makes it out to be

>> No.10927432

>>10927303
It's because they gave it to the guy with experience in infomatics networking

>> No.10927529

>>10927427
It's complicated but that doesn't mean you should give up. If you want to give up, go do medicine then. At least doctors have JOBS

>> No.10927536

>>10926346
All of these jobs were taken by extroverted, MacBook-carrying Chadlites and by female and other diversity hires.
The actual autistic, obese, outcast geeks got crowded out long ago.
If your autistic, best bet is try getting NEETbucks of some kind.

>> No.10927544

>>10926346
don’t pay for a CS degree

>> No.10927621

>>10926346
Anyone else look up to John carmack and know how he got to where he is?

>> No.10927678

>>10927536
Make tech autistic again!
Nerds rise up!

>> No.10927682

>>10926346
Just got my first offer out of college 120k TC, the feels are strong

>> No.10927945

>>10926346
>>Just learn programming bro you'll get a good job
>>Here just read a few books on data structures and algorithms the job will be waiting for you on the other side
There is nothing wrong with these statements.

>> No.10927956

Maybe as a web developer...
but unless you get a degree of some kind in software engineering you wont be exposed to the kind of environment condusive to becoming an actually productive software developer or be able to proficiently work with teams in a professional setting

>> No.10927967

It's true but it's more about the amount of work you do rather how smart you are. You have literally no knowledge or computer science and just do web dev or enterprise software and you'd still be able to get a job somewhere. Programming is kinda like a trade or something like that.

>> No.10928575

>>10927303
you "know" recursion?
give this guy a gold fuckin' medal

>> No.10928816

>>10927427
This programming is fucking HARD

>> No.10929043

>>10926397
>trouble looking for a job
>dad asks me where I want to work
>say Valve Software as a joke because I'm not qualified to be a coffee boy there
>"here's what you do anon: you apply for a janitorial position at Valve. Once you turn in an application, you go in every single day first thing in the morning and bug them about the job. You do this until eventually they get fed up and hire you. Once you start working there, you ask employees what they're doing and get them to teach you how to do it. Once you get a good grasp of how to do what they do, you go up to Mr. Valve and tell him "Hey, look what I can do" then he'll hire you for that because they like to promote internally. Easy."
>explain to him you can't do that anymore
>"yes you can, I did a similar thing when I was your age"

Is my dad based, an old geezer or both?

>> No.10929071

>>10929043
>Can I take out your trash? Perhaps run git clean?

>> No.10929079

>>10926346
learn c++ /c#

>> No.10929339

>>10927432
Gay, I did a year of college CS where’s my 120K/year computer science job!

>> No.10929504

>>10927536
Or be really exceptional / great at what you do then you'll get a job based on merit which already starts at x3 median or so. Goodluck getting the qualifications and contacts though.

>>10927945
You do not need to read those books but you need qualifications that tells people you know your stuff. Or you already need an established network somehow so people are quickly convinced of your ability (or hire you despite your inability).

>> No.10929520

>>10929339
You need experience.
You dumbies thinking anyone under 30 is getting a 100k salary?
If you're super connected and go to a good school, you will.
Most dudes who Excel make 70,000 starting while average is 50.
You make money managing STEM, being the person who is the transition between STEM autists and the MBA.

>> No.10929616
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10929616

>>10926346
>phd in CS
>published several notable papers to the top conferences
>offered 300k starting, literally
did you think your C- GPA was going to get you a job?

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10929939

>>10929043
>Is my dad based, an old geezer or both?
neither he is a mad man lmao

>> No.10930035

>>10929616
>phd in CS
you fuckers always shit up the optimization and control conferences. you never understand basic facts and ask questions like you're sitting in an undergraduate lecture. the more of you leave for industry, the better.

>> No.10930475

>>10927967
>>10927956
>web dev or enterprise software
can you do other things. like game dev?

>> No.10930479

>>10929520
Fuck, should’ve done more economics than the community college business intro.

>> No.10930525

>>10926346
>programming
not science or math

>> No.10930546

>>10929043
He is right about trying. In conclusion, he is 90% absolute mad lad and 10% based

>> No.10931588

>>10929043
>tfw will never work for valve

>> No.10931600

>>10929043
Don't think that would work at all unless you are Will Hunting. But, you should still work like fuck on making yourself sound better to employers. Might take you 10 years, but you could eventually get enough experience to be considered, if that's what your true life's aspiration is.

>> No.10931714

>>10929520
>Most dudes who Excel make 70,000 starting
>capitalized Excel
So, knowing how to do spreadsheets is where the big bux are? Could have a point - that's about the only "computer skill" bankers know, and look at how much they make compared to you Pajeet-tier "coder" wagies.

>> No.10931720

>>10926410
It literally does. Humans are just shit at communicating (both understanding and explaining).

>>10926346
It takes years to properly read all those things, you have to slow read the books and actually participate in doing the exercises, then you should also be active in communities and embed yourself in them.

>> No.10931721

>>10929043
This actually works but nobody is willing to apply “foot in the door” these days.

>> No.10931726

>>10931714
That's because they have good connections, graduated from a good school and have other finance skills.

>> No.10931739

>>10927536
This is proof that literally anybody can do CS. From the trustfund drug abusing socialite just trying to get instagram likes to a dirt poor pajeet with a 25 year old Java Applet book and an hour reserved at the local library once per week.

>> No.10931797

>>10926346
>be me starting uni 5 years ago
>not sure whether to major in math or cs
>bunch of retards tell me that a math major can do everything and more than what a cs major can do
>listen to them like a fucking idiot
>waste four years of my life on a worthless math degree
>try and pick up a couple books on c++, algorithms, etc. after graduating
>have no fucking clue what any of this shit is. Nothing I learned for maths is useful, its too confusing
>mfw can't get hired because i can't understand what these fucking algorithms mean
>mfw haven't even gotten an interview despite applying a lot so i don't even know how I would fare in an interview
>thought about finance but realize i have no fucking experience in that field either
>thinking about biting the bullet and going into teaching

I fucking hate you faggots so fucking much. I shouldn't have listened to my useless high school teacher and my friends fucking bitter cunt is probably laughing his ass off.
Four fucking years of my life down the drain. FOUR FUCKING YEARS
I have nothing to show for this bullshit and I'm just poor and miserable nonstop.
To any retard who fell for the memes don't end up like me. Go into finance, engineering, CS. NOT math. This is a dead end and you don't want to waste your life like how I did.

>> No.10931804

nobody fucking cares about data structures in the industry

>> No.10932548

>>10931797
Never fall for /sci/ memes

>> No.10932563

>>10929043
>40 hours of sweeping and mopping
>every year peering at a programmer click clack at his machine
>for 20 minutes before "clocking out" programmer lets you check out his workspace
"oh yeah I just had a runtime error on the IDE, what does that mean?"
"Talk to me 5 years after you eat, breathe, drink and sleep this machine and this code and you might begin to understand"
>go home
>call Dad
"I did it! I program for Valve now!"
"Wow son!"
>boomer dad imagines flying cars and robot butlers

Meanwhile you haven't spent the last 5 years doing that, you're probably slugging through work and whatever damage public school did. Boomer dad couldnt know or care less. Every tech pro I know though, just put in the hours and intensity. That's all that can be communicated outside a focused and well structured community curriculum.

>> No.10932586

>>10926346
Whats wrong with the statement here? You can't read?

>> No.10932628

>>10931797
Finance and engineering *is* math.
You just need to realize that you can apply the reasoning skills you've acquired to other (more practical, but similar in nature) types of problems.

>> No.10933634

>>10926346
>I can't make threads on /sci/ so I will settle for replying to shitposts to hijack the thread
New thread topic: What mechanical description of motion should I optimize in order to optimize a strike? Possible answers include:
>kinetic energy
>momentum
>force
>impulse
>pressure
>optimize closeness to natural frequency
>something else?

>> No.10933975

>>10933634
force

>> No.10934409
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>>10931797
You got a degree in math because of this meme? Says more about you than the degree itself.

>> No.10934461

>>10931797

There's no way that you can't transfer skills learned on a maths degree into finance.

>> No.10934949

>>10932628
No you stupid undergrad shit doesn't work like that.

Enjoy falling for the meme and ending up unemployed. I tried warning your stupid ass but you're too delusional to see the obvious.

>> No.10934965

>>10934409
Not the meme per se. I was considering majoring in math but wasn't sure and then my high school teacher and a friend who graduated convinced me. Then online when I googled it I saw a bunch of optimistic retards who thought the same shit. Should've realized they where delusional undergrads.
I like math but I was scared of finding a job after graduating and all my worries became true. What a shit major. Literally worthless.

>>10934461
It's not about transferring mathematical skills why the fuck do you think those degrees take four years to complete anyways? Do you even know what a finance job is? At best it'll take a year to have a solid base but it's difficult to know what you'll need for a job since you're new to the field.
If it was that easy every math major would go into finance. It just doesn't happen.

I did actually get a interview for a finance position. I tried my best and while my math skills where great there was so much finance knowledge that I lacked. It showed how out of touch I was for the field. I didn't get a call back.
To be fair I've only considered finance for the last 2 months so it's not as bad. I feel like giving up on CS I can't try and pick up both fields and hope I get a job in one.

Just don't fucking do it anon. Don't believe the memes. Do engineering or finance anything but this bullshit.

>> No.10934997

>>10929043
>Mr Valve

>> No.10935184

>>10934949
Does he not realize the work required to create and polish all those abstraction layers? Even if you know the fundamentals(math). It's possible but not practicall at all if you want a job fast.

>> No.10935222

>>10927678
This but unironically.

>> No.10935234

>>10931797
Get a postgrad diploma in CS finance or engineering then you retard.

>> No.10935345

>>10931797
There's nothing even remotely difficult about cs

>> No.10935361

>>10929043
Based boomer dad

>> No.10935451

>>10934965
Thanks anon

>> No.10936194

>>10931797
>gets 4 years were your only responsibility is showing up to like 12 classes a week
>does literally nothing else
you deserved it retard. you had 100's of hours to fuck around with c but your didnt

>> No.10936196

>>10930475
Def need compsci for that. It's high performance computing.

>> No.10936245

>>10927529
Don't do that if you don't like talking to people.
I did this exact mistake

>> No.10936576

>>10935345
Undergrads shouldn't talk.
Just fuck off.

>>10935234
>just keep working harder bro
Doesn't change the fact it was a mistake

>>10936194
Anon but the simply fact I have to try harder shows that a math degree was a mistake. Yes I'm proud of the problem solving skills I've learned and I do love the education but what is the point if I have to work harder to get a job while an engineer, or a csfag studies interesting topics that do get them a job?
I'm basically working harder than a CS fag only to be treated less than them because my four year education adds little value to my resume.

Plus if I get stuck practicing my coding or the algorithms I need to learn I have no one to turn to. Meanwhile the csfag can ask their TA or professor for help. Its not as easy. It's all so tiresome. This is my warning to every retard going down this road. Honestly I'd do finance if I could do it all over again. At least they don't have to worry about money.

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10936789

I've gotten on-site interviews with a couple FAANG companies but never got hired. Getting my post-grad degree in user interfaces to get out of this mess.

>> No.10936794

>>10931739
>This is proof that literally anybody can do CS.
I think it's proof that anybody can do front-end JS shit.
But even then, that's only because there's so much open source infrastructure, much of which was produced cheaply or freely by those autistic, outcast geeks.

>> No.10936802

>>10936794
This. Everyone and their mother does front end, but that's also the reason it is low paid.

>> No.10936817

>>10927536
This is really not the case, it's just what is advertised. Most engineers are no-lifers. But in all honesty I would rather be around the chads. 30+ year old autists are not a fun crowd, especially in large groups.

>> No.10936866

>>10927536
How the fuck does anyone even get a CS job? There just aren't enough entry level jobs to go around.
How does anyone even get hired to begin with? Nepotism? Luck? Connections (courtesy of being a charismatic Chad)?
It just doesn't make any sense. I don't understand how the world works. I'm doomed to be just another CS-degree holding NEET.
Most jobs seem shitty anyway.

>> No.10936906

>Knows how to derive the SVM
>Can barely unpack datasets in Python

Help

>> No.10936907

>>10936866
Do you have a linkedin? If not, make one with a professional picture of yourself. Lookup SEO optimization for LI profiles. If you're still in school there are probably advisors you can talk to who will help you clean up your resume.

>> No.10936925

>>10929043
Your dad is the extroverted chadlite >>10927536 this anon was talking about

>> No.10937274

>>10936817
fatties and autists are less likely to be productive workers.

>> No.10937300

>>10936866
You have to start bootlicking.

>> No.10937351

>>10927536
>All of these jobs were taken by extroverted, MacBook-carrying Chadlites and by female and other diversity hires.
This only happens with webdev garbage, almost none of this idiots are nearly close to be qualified for a proper CS job in R&D.

>> No.10937353

>>10929043
just do shit like this at a boomer company, its easier.
>mother does payrole at company (about 1k employees no idea if that counts as small or big anymore)
>software they use is shit
>help her automate a lot of her job with excel macros and some small programs
>boss hears about it
>asks me to do some excel thing for him
>do it for minimum wage, about a days work
>starts asking me for more stuff
>4 years later
>now database admin and head developer, most software used was made or augmented by me so their stuck with me
>mfw I never submitted a resume, or even studied programming. I was a math major
>everyone else at the company is a boomer with no knowledge of programming so I can double the time something will take and laze arounfd all day and they always tell me how much I do for the company

If you want to do CS, dont go work at a CS company

>> No.10937466

>>10937353
Based

>> No.10937493

>>10926418
I assume you self-taught? What resources did you use?

>> No.10938724

>>10937353
How much you get paid now?

>> No.10938743

>>10937353
high iq
>>10937493
see above

>> No.10939731

>>10938724
min wage

>> No.10939737

>>10926346
Testosterone will get you anywhere you need to go you pathetic worm men

>> No.10940023

>>10937353
>>10939731
>mfw I never submitted a resume, or even studied programming. I was a math major
>If you want to do CS, dont go work at a CS company
>min wage
Holy fucking shit anon.
Okay let's stop and look at this stupid shit.
First do you even know what CS is? Excel is not CS you sound like IT or an administrator. Not CS. How the fuck are you gonna say 'if you want to do CS' when you're not even in software development? Bitch your ""advise"" doesn't apply to actual CS people. The shit you're posting is so dumb I feel you're serious.
Now then, you first spent FOUR YEARS on a math degree and after all of that you got a MINIMUM WAGE job doing menial IT tasks and still after another FOUR YEARS of doing that shit IT job you still get paid MINIMUM WAGE. THAT'S 8 FUCKING YEARS OF YOUR LIFE WASTED.

Holy shit anon what the fuck are you doing? You're clearly not doing CS but you should at least have asked for a fucking raise. Why the fuck did you never ask for one? Jesus Christ man quit that shit and look for a better IT job.

Keep that in mind, you're looking for an IT job not a fucking software engineering job. I can guarantee you software/CS is completely not what you're doing. Someone with a CS degree has a starting salary of $30-$40 per hour. That's way above your minimum wage pay grade. But an IT person which you are has an average pay of around $16-$20 an hour. Not fucking minimum wage.

This is in the US and idk if you live in some European shithole but even then you should be making more. Get your fucking life on track and look for a better job.
What ever drove you to post this shit on /sci/ as if it's anything to be proud of? Fucking think you retard.

>> No.10940200

I have a question and I'm a beginner. Right now I'm studying an online course on edx but you need to pay 99 dollars to solve the programming challenges. Otherwise you can only watch the videos and shit.
Is there a website where I can practice questions related to specific topics like divide and conquer, dynamic programming etc?
(Something other than hackerrank)

Link related for the course :
https://courses.edx.org/courses/course-v1:UCSanDiegoX+ALGS200x+1T2019/course/

>> No.10940236

>>10936906
kek'd
import pandas as pd

data = pd.read_csv (r'path to dataset')

>can derive SVM's
That's fucking baller m8

>> No.10940245

>>10937353
This is exactly what I did. Before I got in to the university I'm at now (I needed to finish up my degree to move forward in my career) I was making a pretty decent living just by automating tedious processes.

>> No.10940249

>>10940245
>This is exactly what I did.
You wasted four years of your life for a minimum wage IT job?

>> No.10940259

My uni was up our ass about using programming in every single course during undergrad (physics).
So by the time i finished my BSc i knew python, java, julia, C/C++, matlab and a bit of FORTRAN. Only julia was learnt during my own time, over a weekend to use in a project.

You guys should try going to a non-meme university.

>> No.10940987

>>10940259
Programming isn't just CS and often times when another study tried to get their students to program they fail in teaching actual good programming habits so the code the student wrote is no better than self taught.

The physics classes I took had us write programs to solve some of the more difficult physics problems in code and yeah I can tell you that programming is not actual programming.

>> No.10941077

>>10927408
Compsci will get you a helpdesk job

>> No.10941120

>>10929043
that's kind of what todd howard did with bethesda, minus the janitor part

>> No.10941249

>>10940249
No, I didn't have a degree before. About to make a fuckton more money though.

>> No.10942094

>>10940259
>learn hello world in random languages

let me known when you can implement state management that syncs with localStorage using react hooks/context

that's only frontend web development

now try structuring the database and link the frontend with Firebase

that's only a little bit of backend work

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>>10929043
>mfw your dad just wants you to get a job as a janitor so you can stop leeching off him and he just tricked you using nonlogic

>> No.10942241

>>10940023
I feel like you didn't understand a word of what he posted.

>> No.10942349

>>10942241
I feel like you didn't understand a word of what he and I posted

>> No.10943376

>>10937351
have bachelors in CS and currently working webdev, how do I make the transition to R&D?

>> No.10943792

>>10936576
> Meanwhile the csfag can ask their TA or professor for help

No. If they can help, they do not help. If they can't help since it takes too long / is too complex of a question they let you figure it out. It's easier for my experience to get stuck on some math question because there is often one optimal way to solve this, it's mostly about learning rules and applying them correctly. Whereas the rules in programming and such are less obvious.

Someone with a math background would not get priority over someone who studied computer science for a software dev job of any kind. Employers assume superior skills from the person with a CS degree for an IT / CS job.

A math degree does open up doors to be an actuary, or go further into econometric research. Both of which are very high paying career options.

>> No.10943899

>>10926346
Spain?

>> No.10943964

>>10939731
ahaha holy shit if this is true you deserve that minimum wage I suppose