/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10916697]

HURRY THE FUCK UP ELON I WANT TO GO TO MARS WHATS TAKING YOU SO LONG

[Anonymous No.10916712]

>>10916704
Maybe if I get the heritage money

[Anonymous No.10916714]

>>10916704
>dude costs
This is why we cannot have nice things and it makes much more sense to focus on taking over society and uses resources as you see fit rather than trying to appease brainlets to raise funds for this or that. No. Good ideas should be done. They can be accomplished by forcing people to work.

[Anonymous No.10916721]

>>10916697
Try to be patient. Momentum is building. We need to answer the "life on mars" question first. Where did we come from is probably the most important question we have right now. Once mars settlement begins any hope of finding evidence of martian single cell organisms will be erased by our presence.

This is a really big deal to a lot of power groups.

[Anonymous No.10916803]

>>10916721
if single cell organisms exist they are probably near or in one one of the supposed underground Martian "lakes". I thought they were lakes from what i read all I know is that from the article I was reading is that there are underground sources of liquid water.
Lemme find the link

[Anonymous No.10916810]

>>10916721
Found the articles I was talking about
https://www.cnet.com/news/mysterious-mars-streaks-may-be-caused-by-an-active-underground-water-system-nasa-hirise/
https://www.space.com/mars-deep-groundwater-recurring-slope-lineae.html
https://www.cnet.com/news/mars-orbiter-scientists-find-first-evidence-of-huge-mars-underground-water-system/

[Anonymous No.10916852]

>>10916810
Interesting. When I saw and heard about the sheer scale of the martian caves I wondered if there could be reasonable air pressure and warmth if you go deep enough. Liquid water too.

If there is life down there it may even be complex and predatory. Scary thought. We could send martianauts down there never to see them again...

Thanks for the tip.

[Anonymous No.10916880]

>>10916704
>giving up
Üntermensch.

[Anonymous No.10916893]

[Anonymous No.10916898]

>>10916721
>Try to be patient. Momentum is building. We need to answer the "life on mars" question first. Where did we come from is probably the most important question we have right now. Once mars settlement begins any hope of finding evidence of martian single cell organisms will be erased by our presence.
This is a meme and false.

[Anonymous No.10916934]

>>10916721
who are these big power groups anyway

[Anonymous No.10916936]

>>10916697

[Anonymous No.10916938]

>>10916898
Elaborate.

Momentum IS building. Mars IS the next target after the moon. Colonists WILL be excluded until the life question is answered.

Your response had better be worthwhile.

[Anonymous No.10916941]

>>10916936
Dont crush my dreams you jew
I am doubtful about 2024 but hopefully by 2030 we will have da shidd ready to go.

[Anonymous No.10916943]

>>10916934
Heads of nations, secret intelligence agencies, large religious organisations and obsure factions like the masons.

There is a game of thrones tier game being played at the top. We are nothing more than plebs. So far.

[Anonymous No.10916949]

>>10916943
Why would the pope and CIAnegros care about fellas going to Mars? The only people who should care and would have a motive would probably be mining and tourism corporations.

[Anonymous No.10916955]

>>10916721
We'll answer the "life on mars" once we get there. Fuck spending the next 1000 years trying to answer "life on mars" by not going there.

[Anonymous No.10916963]

>>10916955
this, the only right approach is the Chad European death by disease approach

[Anonymous No.10916973]

>>10916949
Ok. I wish you had been less specific but I will answer both your questions trying to avoid pol tier conspiracy bullshit.

CIA is easy peasy to answer. National security. Whoever settles mars will be the single greatest threat to civilisation yet. Just wait until you see what will be done with the moon. If you see all of what is going to happen there.

The catholics are struggling to interpret scripture within a modern context. Mars colonisation has the potential to shake their faith to the core. Most followers are waiting for the apocalypse foretold in revelations.

Basically these factions, at the core of their plans, will seek to conceal evidence of life on mars if it is discovered. Until they can provide an explanation to their followers this information has the potential to cause mass panic and a messy revolution. I suspect people are more resilient but the pope knows his followers better than anyone.

Fear is paramount. Fear of defying God. Fear of triggering the apocalypse.

I suspect so at least. We will see as the story unfolds. Right now I am no more important than you are.

[Anonymous No.10916977]

>>10916955
>>10916963
Yes. Musk has selected his crew. If "the factions" are satisfied that they can keep their mouths shut they will be sent to search for evidence of life on mars. The flag they drop had better be the corporate anarchy flag or I will be bitterly disapointed. I don't want to go up there only to end up living in the USA. Can't imagine anything worse desu.

[Anonymous No.10916978]

>>10916697
I love elon sooooo much
I wanna suck his big peepee

[Anonymous No.10916987]

>>10916938
>Once mars settlement begins any hope of finding evidence of martian single cell organisms will be erased by our presence.
This was the meme.

[Anonymous No.10916993]

>>10916987
Ahh ok. I wanted confirmation.

The real issue is that if evidence of life on mars is discovered AFTER colonisation nobody will believe it. They are trying to drag their followers into the new age without going against scripture.

Something may happen to make this transition easier. I would sound like a madman if I talked about it now.

2040 is a long way from now anons. It is too early to be sure how things will develop.

[Anonymous No.10917068]

>>10916993
just tell us about the madman conspiracies right now chief.

[Anonymous No.10917080]

>>10917068
Okay.

They found a mad prophet who is reluctant to emerge because of what they did to jesus. Amongst other things. If this person steps up it will make things easier.

You heard it here first.

[Anonymous No.10917085]

>>10917080
like modern prophet or is the dude already dead

[Anonymous No.10917088]

>>10916697
>They clamp your umbilical cord early and cut off parts of your genitals
>You actually think they're going to let you go and have fun on another planet
You cannot endorse any aspect of the existing power structure. You will never free yourself through the system. They will never allow their cattle to be free.

If you weren't more useful and easier to control this way, they'd have you starving and living in a mud hut while the king's army guarded his forest and took tribute from you by force.

Clamped s-oyboy delusions. Freedom is fighting for what's right here and now. No restarts.

[Anonymous No.10917092]

>>10917085
Very much alive for now last I heard...

[Anonymous No.10917099]

>>10917088
well i mean cutting off part of your genitals was optional on the parents part and I dont know what clamping the umbilical cord early does but if shit collapses at the moment than all of the space travel stuff is off the menu for another hundred years. So I would LIKE to be a little optimistic about space travel right now while I am still alive.

[Anonymous No.10917362]

>>10916973
Brainlet.
The Bible talks about other tribes we don't know about. Hence aliens

[Anonymous No.10917380]

>>10916973
I can't wait for life on another plant to BTFO out of all religions

[Anonymous No.10917524]

>>10917362
You go explain that to the billions of christians then mate. You won't sway them. I am aware that there are navigable pathways through scripture which fit into the modern narrative. Most are not, nor do they need to be.

>>10917380
Won't happen. Without religion to guide us our species will descend into animalistic hedonism. Just look at the state of society since religion was pushed aside.

Things have been ok for science but society is collapsing.

If you believe there is no God then I feel bad for you. Most people want to be able to fill in all the details between their existence and the existence of God. Religion attempts to break concepts we cannot comprehend into stories which we can understand.

Mainstream religion is there for the followers as it should always be. Most individuals do not have the capacity to develop a personal relationship with God.

[Anonymous No.10917941]

>>10917524
False. Non-religious nations tend to be more peaceful.

[Anonymous No.10918218]

>>10917941
There is a certain demographic within society which finds war desirable. How can we limit the full palette of our species culture? War is as much a part of who we are as science. Just as not every individual desires to make war, not every individual seeks science.

I actually like war. I think war is fun. It is fun to fight and it is fun to watch other people fighting. Tactics and strategy is fun.

The fun ends when you lose an arm and are lying there watching your friends get mowed down by withering machinegun fire. The death in war should be removed and the injuries mitigated. Terms of war should be negotiated and adhered to. War on earth has gone too far. We have yet to set the standard for how wars will be fought in space.

I will also challenge your statement. There are many religions. You would have to specify which you are referring to.

[Anonymous No.10918224]

>>10917088
I'm a NEET living off their money, what was the point of the clamping and circumcision if I'm not going to do anything for them?

[Anonymous No.10918243]

>>10918218
There is a certain demographic that needs a figure like elon fag in their life because their own father was loser

[Anonymous No.10918305]

>>10918243
This is true. Most people do not have the time to imagine a better future and their own lives often saturate them in negativity. I don't think it has much to do with father figures although undoubtedly for some it does.

Others seek to emulate figures like musk or murdoch. Again this is an easier path than finding your own way.

Most people need leaders and those who desire to lead are rarely suitable.

[Anonymous No.10918322]

>>10916697
imagine being a mars fag can't wait until interplanetary shitposting happens so i can just send stock images of fresh food and water to piss y'all off

[Anonymous No.10918418]

>>10916697
>6 months in zero G one way
>everybody can barely walk when they arrive
>live in horrid conditions for 3-4 months risking your life every day
>another 6 months of trip back

Face it, we are not going to Mars in next 50 years. We need ship that can get there in one month.

[Anonymous No.10918430]

>>10918418
No. We are not going in the next 20 years. Plenty of time to prepare. However you should ask the people musk chose to go there how they feel about you trying to stop them because of the realities of pushing boundaries.

You're a pussy. Matter of fact so am I. The chadstronauts will go there first and it is going to be so horribly shit for them man I am not even kidding. These mad fuckers are more impatient than any of us AND THEY ARE READY NOW.

We will wait and things will be much more comfortable and safe for us when we do go there. I don't want to spoil all the surprises.

[Anonymous No.10919230]

>>10916697
We are not going to leave this shithole for another 10-20 years at least , we don't have the Tech yet to reach mars in less than 3 months before astronauts bodies are fucked , and even if somehow we can reach Mars in 3 months, we go there and then what? make a colony or come back ? we don't have the tech for a mars colony either. Mars by 2024 is just a dream.

[Anonymous No.10919262]

>>10916714
>My will is more important than their will because I am better than them, because I am me, and they are not me.

[Anonymous No.10919645]

>>10919262
>Also they'll enjoy getting to work on my projects cause everyone looks up to me

[Anonymous No.10919647]

>>10916977
i imagine they would use an UN Flag

[Anonymous No.10919670]

>>10919230
>We are not going to leave this shithole for another 100-200 years.
Fixed that for you.

[Anonymous No.10919675]

>>10919670
bullshit, within 10 years man will be on Mars

[Anonymous No.10919757]

>>10919647

[Anonymous No.10919801]

>>10919230
>we don't have the Tech yet to reach mars in less than 3 months before astronauts bodies are fucked

It takes 3-5 months to go to Mars one way, and ISS research shows that if you use high load exercise, bone density loss is negligible over such timeframes. This will not stop a Mars mission.

Then there is also the possibility of using rotational gravity by connecting two Starships with a tether. May come in handy when non-professional astronauts begin to migrate to Mars.

[Anonymous No.10919816]

>>10918418
we could go in 2030 but only after crashing phobos and deimos together in mars.
we have barely enough nuclear power to pull it off, using a really strong nuke to veer off the orbit of deimos which had a diameter of 12.6km and a surface area of 483km2.
deimos crash into phobos and both fall into mars at 30km/s then bingo we save ourselves from using nukes on mars and heat it up just enough to thicken the atmosphere by a 10% at worst and 25% at best.

[Anonymous No.10919897]

>>10919816
could synthesize supergreenhouse gases like HFCs, the same way we're gonna have to synthesise methane

[Anonymous No.10919951]

>>10916697
you are not going anywhere OP
a manned mission?
sure
colonization?
not a chance
before the technology will be available for such an endeavour you will have a fossil fuel crisis and you will be looking for cans of beans,not space travel
you sound like the people in the 60's that were dreaming of flying cars
just stop believing subsidy hunting memes

[Anonymous No.10920320]

>>10919951
>>10919670
>>10919230
Spotted the depressionfags. Stop spreading your malaise. We can do this without you.

[Anonymous No.10920360]

Threadly reminder that Mars is to be a forge world. It will never be green.

[Anonymous No.10920448]

>>10919897
yeah but it'll be considerably easier.
the pressure on mars is a big problem but with at least a 10% more thicker atmosphere, it'll make it easier for us to build and preserve that extra atmosphere, maybe even expand it faster than what would have originally taken alongside not worrying about the low pressure.
the deepest point of mars surface is only slightly higher than mars surface.
I have to put it in numbers, earth pressure is a 1 and mars pressure is a 0.128 and the deepest surface point of mars is 0.90
a little extra would be the iron cores of both moons could be easily extracted and used to build these fabrics with total ease and maybe the crater will become an actual new place to colonize.

[Anonymous No.10920468]

>>10920360
unless we somehow crash ceres into the martian world and wait it out or simply put a damn dyson sphere around mars.

[Anonymous No.10920560]

>>10920448
The lower air pressure reduces wind drag on tall structures. The lower gravity also contributes. You could build the tallest skyscraper in the solar system.

But tunnels are cheaper. They will still do it eventually.

The air pressure is only a problem for tne few people who will ever leave the tunnels and they will just wear suits.

>>10920468
Ceres is mine. Keep away.

[Anonymous No.10921644]

>>10920320
>looking at things objectively and in the proper context makes you a depressionfag
more like you live in a meme fueled bad sci-fi

[Anonymous No.10921710]

>>10921644
You can live there too. We all can. You don't have to keep being a sourpuss but you can.

[Anonymous No.10922201]

>>10918218
While I agree with you, religious societies are more sustainable, socially. Non-religious societies tend to stagnate, without a clear goal for future development, all is lost. Indeed, should man tread into habitats in space, scripture cannot come to pass about the apocalypse. With that said, the universe itself can end.

[Anonymous No.10922213]

>>10922201
Meant for
>>10917941

[Anonymous No.10922232]

>>10916893
You're cute

[Anonymous No.10922429]

>>10916955
>1000 years of highly skilled jobs kept alive by the Search for Life on Mars
>millions of children inspired by that to look into higher education and science/liberal arts
>innumerable speculations fueling imagination and curiosity into the uknown
>vs
>some rich while tourists destroying it all because their small peepees get hard from invading foreign lands

I know who to vote for and it's the woman that puts an end to this insanity!

[Anonymous No.10922454]

>>10922429
Not sure if trolling, but rest assured that children are not inspired by search for life at all. They are inspired by fucking space colonization.

[Anonymous No.10922564]

>>10920560
>You could build the tallest skyscraper in the solar system.
so...we could technically build a damn space elevator on olympus mons without troubles?

[Anonymous No.10922652]

>>10918418
Stop this meme. Please you can work out on a set regiment to minimize bone loss, we can use drugs to supplement it even further to an almost null condition. It's also 1/4 G, so they don't even need to be that strong to lift way more for example. weaker hearts, and near sightedness are problems. But stop this meme. Settlers of America faced worse hardships with less help.

[Anonymous No.10922658]

>>10919230
Stop this god damn meme. Jesus Christ. Astronouts can survive in 0g longer than 6 months up in the ISS. and with drugs/work out regiment losses can be minimized.

You don't need 3 months, you don't even need 6, we can compensate for nearly all of it. The only problem is solar radiation, which is bad, but using a water shielded room you can solve it by a shielded bunker. So god damn relax. Tunnels can cover most of mars. Or just piling sand, onto existing infastructure. Shit is fucking light on mars

[Anonymous No.10923057]

>>10922564
Perhaps. I am no engineer. I do know that a space elevator won't work at the equator (where it needs to be) because of the orbit of the satellites.

I suspect that a true space tower would have identical siting considerations.

>>10922201
Honestly space religion which is compatible with existing religion would be ideal.

[Anonymous No.10923451]

>>10923057
>I suspect that a true space tower would have identical siting considerations.
if they build a space tower then they better call it babel.

[Anonymous No.10923529]

elon doesn't browse here anymore

[Anonymous No.10923757]

>>10922201
My interpretation is that parts of revelations are unclear and other parts are missing entirely. Still more can be interpreted in a futuristic context.

For example what if the seven headed beast rising from the sea (or whatever) actually refers to some crystalline lifeform which evolved deep in the oceans of saturn or another even larger planet.

Or it could be another example of the wheel of time. With certain prerequisites being met and others not as the cycle repeats itself endlessly.

You could expect that the events toward the end of revelations are most difficult to interpret because they were seen two thousand years ago in an entirely different context. It would be incredibly difficult for a prophet to interpret events seen in a future we here today cannot even imagine yet.

Language at the time was incredibky limited. What is needed is a modern prophecy.

Then again like I said parts of revelations are missing and there may be a way to escape the apocalypse.

"Difficult to see, the future is. Always in motion."

No matter what things will go more smoothly if religion can be appeased as we move into space.

[Anonymous No.10923811]

>>10922429
>millions of children inspired by that to look into higher education and science/liberal arts

[Anonymous No.10925479]

>>10916721
fuck you ann clayborne, well saturate mars with fast food restaurants and shit if we want to, fuck yor god damn life, if it exist it better fight back to make itself known

[Anonymous No.10925482]

>>10917088
>You cannot endorse any aspect of the existing power structure. You will never free yourself through the system. They will never allow their cattle to be free.

The system deceives everyone except overweight incel people...
haha good kek

[Anonymous No.10925754]

>>10923811
the internet was the second biggest mistake of mankind

[Anonymous No.10925762]

>>10916697
I've been hearing for 30 years that a Mars mission is 30 years down the road.

[Anonymous No.10925764]

>>10916973
>CIA is easy peasy to answer. National security. Whoever settles mars will be the single greatest threat to civilisation yet
I don't get it. How can a handful of people struggling to survive in a truly alien environment be a threat to anyone other than themselves?

[Anonymous No.10925783]

>>10925764
You are underestimating the human spirit, tenacity and ingenuity. A settlement on mars will not remain weak.

So then you have to consider how much more cost effective it is to lauch missiles at earth from mars because of the lower gravity. I'm sure they are spending a lot of time coming up with exotic plans for the martian attack on earth which will never happen just like australia never attacked britain.

[Anonymous No.10925786]

>>10916697
Well, you know, the part about SpaceX having no Mars mission, besides having a rocket that can get you there.

[Anonymous No.10925800]

>>10916697
What the fuck do you even want on this desert planet? What about caring about our planet first? We could go there a century later and nothing if value would be lost. Instead we might use the money to allow us to live long enough to see it happen.

[Anonymous No.10925814]

>>10925800
The problem with that philosophy is that most people on earth are happy to destroy it. I don't want to waste effort leading a horse to water it won't drink.

I'd rather spend that effort getting away from those toxic humans and creating a better earthlike place somewhere they can't get to.

[Anonymous No.10925894]

>>10925786
You mean by far the most important part? Also, SpaceX is working on Mars habitat (intergrated into Starship) and ISRU, too. Starship will be a complete system.

[Anonymous No.10925937]

>>10925786
That's a start I guess.