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Why is porn so addictive? How does one beat porn addiction?

>> No.10902581

>>10902578
Replace it with math addiction.

>> No.10902582

>>10902578
>Click here
because it connects to our most basics instinct we fuck = we happy the same with cocaine . Use cocaine = you happy no cocaine = no happy

>> No.10902870
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>>10902578

>> No.10902873

>>10902870
Based post. Research shows porn is more addictive than drugs, and has worse withdrawal symptoms.

>> No.10902876

>>10902870
>Freely available HD porn
>Not 8k 360° binaural, tactile VR
Pleb

>> No.10902926

>>10902581
based.

>> No.10902976

>>10902578
It's not. A small handful of religious groups have tried to claim it is in order to prop up their own credibility.

>> No.10903006

>>10902976
Check out yourbrainonporn. My impression is there is a growing body of scientific knowledge pointing towards porn being addictive.

>> No.10903044

>>10902976
It's a behavioral addiction that exploits a dopamine pathway at a rate much higher than that of the 'natural', there's plenty of good reasons to believe it's detrimental to society and interpersonal relationships

>> No.10903046

Masturbation without porn is so much better. You just put together all your sexual impulses for the day like a dream.
It's like drinking fine liquor with no chaser. Bitter and hard at first, but eventually the alternative will nauseate you.

>> No.10903054

>>10903046
Noporn + masturbate once a week or two seems to be the healthiest and reasonable alternative to either full-blown porn addiction or nofap 24/7 365 days/yr

>> No.10903066 [DELETED] 

>>10902578
Its not though

>> No.10903078

>>10903046
>>10903054
Just passing by. I'll try this and post results.

>> No.10903118

>>10903006
>Check out yourbrainonporn.
Yeah, that pretty much exactly the kind of attention-seeking I was talking about.

>> No.10903732

>>10902976
delusional

>> No.10903736

>>10902578
>How does one beat porn addiction?
being depressed enough that you can't be horny works quite good. you can't be addicted to sex if u have no libido!

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>>10902578
>>10902582
>>10902870
>>10902873
>>10903006
>>10903044
>>10903732

NoFap is bullshit.

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>>10902578
Go full 2d.

>> No.10903767

Because your brain is wired to be obsessed with sex. Once porn was created it became a way to bypass sex to get the pleasure reward, once it became super accessible and easy to get with relative privacy it's actually become better than sex to some males, so they'd rather jack off than procreate.

>> No.10903803

>>10903751
>2012
>From my psychologist
A lot of research has happened since then, and even now a lot of psychologists aren't aware of the research and still consider it safe. It's close to getting included into the DSM.

>> No.10903807

>>10903803
Sex addiction isn't the same as masturbating
And even that was not included in the DSM, guess why

>> No.10903808

>>10902578
Semen retention and sexual transmutation takes it to the next level ;)

Especially in terms of long-term benefits:
-mental clarity
-focus
-increased physical endurance

Worth giving a try.

>> No.10903810

>>10903808
see
>>10903751

>> No.10903811

>>10903803
>DSM
Literally a meme now

>> No.10903812

>>10903807
>Sex addiction isn't the same as masturbating
Masturbating isn't the same as porn addiction.

>> No.10903813

Either I'm going to masturbate 3 times a day or I'm going to fuck 3 times a day and guess what using my dick on my hand is cheaper.
t. apex male

>> No.10903816

>>10903812
The average male does not have an addiction to porn, it's just a habit. Most people have at least enough masturbation to whack their dick while thinking about sex instead but that takes minimally more effort so they watch porn.

>> No.10903817

>>10903811
That's why I mention it. It's currently a meme since it fails to catch up with modern day life that is making us ill.

>> No.10903818

>>10903810
I did and I disagree.

>> No.10903821

>>10903816
>The average male does not have an addiction to porn, it's just a habit
Ask an "average male" to abstain from porn for one month and see what happens.

>> No.10903826

>>10902578
porn isn't addictive. I usually jerk off without porn. I don't see how people can get addicted, to me it's just boring after a while

>> No.10903827

>>10903818
Here's my evidence:
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1631%2Fjzus.2003.0236

>> No.10903828

>>10903827
Quoting the Chinese source study:
"Semen Retention Increases Testosterone Levels by 45.7% after 7 days"

>> No.10903831

>>10903828
Seems like something worth giving a try ;)

>On the 7th day of abstinence, however, a clear peak of serum testosterone appeared, reaching 145.7% of the baseline (P<0.01).

>> No.10903833

>>10903831
>>10903828
It levels off after two weeks.

>> No.10903844

>>10902578
Conductism
Get more sun light, my porn consume reduce massive having sunlight whole day.

Get exercise, get out, increment zinc food.

Found common pattern porn consume and get a trigger activity to replace trigger porn watching.

Add blacklist to porn sites in Computer and Smartphone/tablet, avoid electronic devices in night.

>> No.10903852

>>10903844
>my porn consume reduce massive having sunlight whole day.
>What did he mean by this

>> No.10903862

>>10903751
>nofap is bullshit
>not a single post you reply to is about nofap

nofap =/= noporn

>> No.10903863

>>10903826
>it’s like this for me, so it’s like this for everything

Strong reasoning

>> No.10903884

>>10903862
>nofap =/= noporn
Actually it does. Nofap isn't the "we want to become ubermensch by abstaining and absorbing our semen" community. The reason it's called nofap, is because most men find it easy to quit masturbating when trying to quit porn, due to how intertwined these two have become. Once you feel you've gotten rid of your porn addiction(usually takes about few months of abstaining, depending how long you've been doing it) it's okay to masturbate. Heck masturbate all you want if you can manage not to watch porn at all while doing it.

>> No.10903889

>>10903818
>I disagree with the current scientific consensus
OK
>>10903828
That study is mentioned in the text i posted and that quote means something different in the actual context. maybe try actually reading what I posted

>> No.10903896

>>10902578
It's not addictive by any stretch. We have instinct for a reason, so anything of an instinct variety is almost certainly pre-balanced in any modern population. What isn't balance so well is the concept of a habit, and you'll agree upon reading this that modern civilization gamifies habitiation deeply.

>> No.10903900

>>10903889
>I disagree with the current scientific consensus
>One shitty psychology professor = scientific consensus
People keep abusing "scientific consensus", in order to prove all kinds of shitty things, so that when you say there's an actual consensus about anthropomorphic climate change, nobody is willing to believe it, because the word is worn out.

>> No.10903903

>>10902581
How?

>> No.10903905

>>10903900
OK, post actual studies that show how masturbation is unhealthy

>> No.10903912

>>10903905
Like I said
>>10903812

>> No.10903914

>>10903912
Are you discussing sex addiction or NoFap?

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10903919

hmmmmmmmmm

>> No.10903922

>>10903914
Like I said here>>10903884
Nofap is anti porn addiction. So I'm discussing Nofap <=> Porn addiction

>> No.10903925

>>10903922
see
>>10903905

>> No.10903928

>>10903925
See
>>10903884

>> No.10903930

>>10903928
I asked for studies, not broscience junk

>> No.10903936

>>10903930
I'm saying I'm not planning on posting "masturbating is bad" science since I'm not advocating against it. I'm advocating for nofap - the anti porn addiction.

>> No.10903952

>>10903936
Define porn

>> No.10903959

Take inventory of your vices and throw them all out at once. Then it's not just about porn.

>> No.10903960

>>10903952
In the context of nofap it's every pixelated/non real sexual stimuli. This includes porn videos, porn pictures, oversexualized anime pics, even browsing dating profiles. What is opposite of this is going out and looking at real girls, preferably interacting with them, if no spaghetti in pocket.

>> No.10903961

>>10903959
Modernist capitalism feeds on vices. You'll crash the economy if you do that.

>> No.10903962 [DELETED] 

>>10903928
See>>10903925

>> No.10903964

>>10903925
See
>>10903962

>> No.10903966

>>10903964
See
>>10903928

>> No.10903970

>>10903960
You could just leave out the "nofap" bullshit and go outside and have sex.
What actually happens with nofap is lots of retards having wet dreams and constantly thinking about sex

>> No.10903986

>>10903970
>You could just leave out the "nofap" bullshit and go outside and have sex
That's the ultimate goal and nofap is a way towards that. There are a lot of people, especially young men that have grown up without getting even close to being with a real girl. They've grown accustomed to orgasming to pixelated girls, and have troubles interacting with real girls.

>> No.10903987

>>10903961
Why should I care about that?

>> No.10904028

>>10903987
Because the greater good involves some people sleeping on the streets.

>> No.10904031

>>10903852
>My porn consumption was reduced massively by being outside all day
>avoid electronics when you get inside

>> No.10904343

>>10903961
All you do is take money out of the hands of degeneracy fueling industries and put it in the hands of businesses that promote the general welfare in a roundabout way. Better to spend ~$120 a year on a gym membership than video games for example. The only reason modern capitalism is thought of as being degenerate because the spending habits and overall taste of the public's wants can be considered highly degenerate, and in turn fueled the exponential growth of these industries. There's more to the picture, but modern capitalism is largely a creation of the common person.

>> No.10904446

>>10903756
Does fapping to 2D still destroy your neural pathways and the reward center of your brain?

>> No.10904452

>>10903756
The only correct answer

>> No.10904948

Both drug addiction and sexual addiction represent pathological forms of neuroplasticity along with the emergence of aberrant behaviors involving a cascade of neurochemical changes mainly in the brain's rewarding circuitry

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4040958/

"It has been found that deltaFosB gene in the NAc is critical for reinforcing effects of sexual reward. Pitchers and colleagues (2010) reported that sexual experience was shown to cause DeltaFosB accumulation in several limbic brain regions including the NAc, medial pre-frontal cortex, VTA, caudate, and putamen, but not the medial preoptic nucleus. Next, the induction of c-Fos, a downstream (repressed) target of DeltaFosB, was measured in sexually experienced and naive animals. The number of mating-induced c-Fos-IR cells was significantly decreased in sexually experienced animals compared to sexually naive controls. Finally, DeltaFosB levels and its activity in the NAc were manipulated using viral-mediated gene transfer to study its potential role in mediating sexual experience and experience-induced facilitation of sexual performance. Animals with DeltaFosB overexpression displayed enhanced facilitation of sexual performance with sexual experience relative to controls. In contrast, the expression of DeltaJunD, a dominant-negative binding partner of DeltaFosB, attenuated sexual experience-induced facilitation of sexual performance, and stunted long-term maintenance of facilitation compared to DeltaFosB overexpressing group. Together, these findings support a critical role for DeltaFosB expression in the NAc in the reinforcing effects of sexual behavior and sexual experience-induced facilitation of sexual performance. … both drug addiction and sexual addiction represent pathological forms of neuroplasticity along with the emergence of aberrant behaviors involving a cascade of neurochemical changes mainly in the brain's rewarding circuitry."

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http://www.covenanteyes.com/2014/02/28/hypofrontality/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2642712/Does-watching-porn-make-LAZY-X-rated-content-shrink-region-brain-linked-motivation-study-claims.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/porn-less-gray-matter-brain_n_5418607.html
http://www.livescience.com/19755-porn-shut-visual-brain.html
https://www.livescience.com/46006-can-porn-shrink-brain.html
http://www.dw.com/en/pea-brain-watching-porn-online-will-wear-out-your-brain-and-make-it-shrivel/a-17681654
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10441027/How-porn-is-rewiring-our-brains.html
https://www.webroot.com/us/en/resources/tips-articles/internet-pornography-by-the-numbers
https://www.opednews.com/populum/page.php?f=The-growing-epidemic-of-ch-by-Terrence-Aym-101023-680.html
http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/porn-addiction-at-crisis-level
http://www.examiner.com/article/internet-pornography-addiction-is-it-a-social-epidemic-or-something-more

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>>10902578
see
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10230550/#10232101
https://boards.fireden.net/sci/thread/10784663/#q10785408

>> No.10905023

>>10903833

Because androgen receptors increase

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>>10902578
>How does one beat porn addiction?
cut your nuts off

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>>10902578
>Why is *porn so addictive?

>*The instinct to reproduce.

ftfy

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>>10905097
interesting point, fellow poster ;)

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>>10905097
>>10905098
you are both quite apropos in your posts....

kudos.

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>>10905097
>>10905098
>>10905103
SAMEFAG!!!!

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>>10902578

why are you all so against porn??

IT IS LIFE

L I F E

It's there for a reason

Is it just cause you're a virgin that your against porn?

There are 9billion other people on this planet NOT addicted to porn - addiction is based on the user, so harden the fuck up and accept reality for what is it, one big fucking orgy, you going to join in?

For fucksakes, go throw out your crusty wanksock, close your 40tabs of the beautiful art of the human experience you call porn, and start making something of yourself kids

Always going to be ""addicted"" if you don't bother to fucking do anything about it


'but but i have social anxiety, i can't talk to women' .... with that line of thinking you've already lost , GGWP more IRLporn for me

>> No.10905171

>>10902873
>worse withdrawals
Fucking bullshit. Nobody died from lack of porn. It's more addictive but it's nowhere near as dangerous or hard to quit as drugs from a chemical/physiological standpoint. It's just incredibly hard to quit because it's free and there's no risk to your life from it. So it's entirely a case of willpower.

>>10903808
>Semen retention brings about clarity and focus
Pseudoscientific nonsense. You're little better than a suburban housewife who believes in the power of new age folk magic.

>>10904967
Good fucking god Melville Keith sounds like fucking Hesoid or Aristotle and I don't mean that as a compliment. That's some of the most demented nonsense I've seen.

https://books.google.com/books?id=wnopsXgBNPoC&pg=PA9&lpg=PA9&dq=Melville+keith+the+marriage+law&source=bl&ots=xX31EJMwMI&sig=ACfU3U3vcJFIUVUkSMqz0kJHGiDtIxbfnw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidt5-7o5PkAhWmTN8KHZOFDhAQ6AEwB3oECFwQAQ#v=onepage&q=Melville%20keith%20the%20marriage%20law&f=false
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Siegmeister

This demented faggot? That's your source?

>> No.10905186

Whats better than porn is to wear a long coat at a pool or beach and cleaverly beat off with no one the wiser.

>> No.10905190

>>10905143
Cumbrain

>> No.10905194

It's only addictive when you're young (up to about 25). I grew out of that already.