climate change

[Anonymous No.10866034]

so how legit is climate change/global warming? I really don't know much about it. Are we doomed as people say, or is it all just a big scam? Tell me the honest truth, once and for all, and I will believe you. But be honest.

[Anonymous No.10866053]

>>10866034
it's a real problem but the people claiming to have solutions for it are just using the crisis to consolidate their power over you

they aren't even very subtle about it

so we're pretty fucked either way!

[Anonymous No.10866056]

>>10866053
I remember reading something about runaway climate change, or feedback loop. If we get to that stage, there really is no solution, because it's too late, right? So these people with the solutions seems extremely naive, or as you say, just want your money.

[Anonymous No.10866064]

>>10866034
https://skepticalscience.com/argument.php

[Anonymous No.10866094]

>>10866056
they want your vote, they want political power over you. money isn't real, but power is real.

they're already floating the idea of having some committee approve every passenger flight. no travel unless it's for an Approved Reason, comrade. and you're gonna be eating bugs for protein; we have to cut down on meat production so only Inner Party members get beef now

next one is restricting who gets to have kids. propaganda engine for that one is already revving up. did you know that having a kid is the biggest impact on atmospheric carbon that you can have? it's science! don't you believe in science!

meanwhile the other guys want to pretend the problem isn't real when any asshole can look at a fucking thermometer. oh it's real, but you never waste a good crisis. fact that it's real means more opportunity for the will to power, not less. how could it be any other way?

[Anonymous No.10866108]

>>10866056
Feedback loop does not mean runaway warning. Runaway warming on Earth is essentially impossible. Also, a carbon tax is an easily implemented solution and does not give governments any more power than they already have.

[Anonymous No.10866111]

>>10866108
Where does the money go?

[Anonymous No.10866119]

>>10866111
Doesn't really matter, the disincentive is enough to mitigate global warming optimally. Ideally it would be spent on nuclear and renewable development and implementation of technology and infrastructure to replace fossil fuels and subsidies for poorer consumers so that the tax is not regressive.

[Anonymous No.10866136]

>>10866034
>How legit is global warming
To find that answer you've got to dig more about the GIEC. To keep things simple, they use statistical modelings to get forecasts. Those models are based off a "tendency" from records. In the end it is and will always be forecasts but everyone assume it's exactly what is going to happen. Also a few statisticians doubt and contradict the model used by the GIEC. But when it comes to global warming there is no room for debate which is also a big red flag about its scientifical authenticity.

[Anonymous No.10866146]

>>10866136
>they use statistical modelings to get forecasts
that's wrong.
the models are based around physics, aka F=ma, and deltaE=mcdeltaT etc.

[Anonymous No.10866150]

>>10866108
>Runaway warming
the tipping point is at 450ppm/+2C

[Anonymous No.10866154]

a runaway loop, unlimited - no. Bad enough to wipe out our technological civilization? To destroy large parts of our agricultural system?

I don't think you understand very much about how food is produced.

[Anonymous No.10866157]

>>10866150
Tipping point for what?

[Anonymous No.10866160]

>>10866034
Is it true that if CO2 increases this melts the Ice poles and the sea level rises?

If so have we got an equation to explain this process?
Ie How much co2 to sea water is released?

[Anonymous No.10866164]

Easy energy calculation
>mass of atmosphere
>energy required to raise temperature of said mass a few degrees
>amount of energy humanity has released into atmosphere from burning shit nonstop on industrial scale for 200 years

Also heard that it might be fluctuations in the suns energy output, that ball don't have to change much for it to affect us.

[Anonymous No.10866165]

"WE'RE FUCKED"

"what if we try to do these things? They might help!"

"YOU JUST WANT TO HAVE POWER OVER ME, FUCK OFF"

it's a real problem. people who have genuine solutions should be allowed to try.

[Anonymous No.10866168]

>>10866108
I think optimally governments can impose an emissons tax, with tax breaks for companies recording negative emissions (with strict guidelines for both that include indirect emissions). This way we can both use the tax dollars to further renewable energy and carbon sequestation research, while also incentivising companies to further research in their own way.

[Anonymous No.10866176]

>>10866119
The answer to the question is "towards the business interest of political allies," which is certainly something that provides them with power they wouldn't otherwise have.

[Anonymous No.10866181]

>>10866160
Sea level rises from both thermal expansion of water and melting of land ice. The former is easy to predict but the latter is not.

[Anonymous No.10866188]

>>10866168
wow what a shit, large, expensive, and totally bloated plan that accomplishes nothing and doesnt change the bottom line at all. thanks.

[Anonymous No.10866203]

>>10866188
Ok then I dare you to think of a better plan that at least minorly appeals to the GOP who refuse to take any action on climate change whatsoever

[Anonymous No.10866209]

>>10866034
is real, but we are not that doomed, some places will become a desert, the rise of oceans, death of some species, etc. The biggest problems are massive migration of humans and animals from countries that will have major problems and the Energy Crisis.

>>10866165
what solutions? increase the taxes for the poor ? that's not a fucking solution. Majority of the retards like AOC who are talking about Climate change don't bring solutions on the table, just cry about it, and to change the World overnight is not a solution, also they are afraid of Nuclear energy, the only clean energy source right now.

[Anonymous No.10866233]

>>10866181
Why should I listen if the predictions just aren't there?

[Anonymous No.10866247]

>>10866157
439-450= -11
332-338= -6
29-17= +12
Currently humans are the only contributing factor.

Around 450ppm/+2C the two 800 lbs gorillas turn from sinks to emitters.

[Anonymous No.10866285]

>>10866247
https://youtu.be/Mc_4Z1oiXhY?t=17m45s

[Anonymous No.10866322]

>>10866164
It has nothing to do with humans releasing energy into the atmosphere. The only significant source of energy in Earth's atmosphere is the Sun and what determines the temperature is how much solar energy enters and how much thermal energy radiates out into space. Greenhouse gases prevent thermal energy from leaving by reflecting it back towards Earth.

[Anonymous No.10866344]

>>10866176
How exactly is this different from any other tax?

[Anonymous No.10866350]

>>10866322
>releasing energy
lrn2read

[Anonymous No.10866366]

>>10866064

Good summary of what the science says

[Anonymous No.10866376]

>>10866188
Wow what a completely baseless opinion that changes nothing at all.

[Anonymous No.10866378]

>>10866233
What are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.10866389]

>>10866350
>amount of energy humanity has released into atmosphere from burning shit nonstop on industrial scale for 200 years
>amount of energy humanity has released
>released

[Anonymous No.10866400]

>>10866247
You're being vague. What happens at 450ppm?

[Anonymous No.10866420]

>>10866400
lrn2read

[Anonymous No.10866434]

>>10866344
It's not. Where do you think economic crises, migrant crises, oil wars, racial tensions, college debt crisis, panama papers and much more comes from?

[Anonymous No.10866435]

>>10866420
I'm well aware of carbon flux, nothing you've said implies runaway warming.

[Anonymous No.10866451]

>>10866434
Then you're arguing against pork, not a carbon tax.

[Anonymous No.10866454]

>>10866034
It is really serious, but the virtue signallers you'll see in the media are climate grifters. They see that a lot of money will be thrown at this problem, and their hungry eyes want a piece of the pie, even if they are just some fucking journalist or biologist. Climate change will be solved by industry.

[Anonymous No.10866460]

>>10866165
we don't have a "what if we try these things"

we have "it's not really happening" and "this means we must dismantle capitalism and individual freedom which incidentally is what I wanted to do anyway"

hmmm

[Anonymous No.10866463]

>>10866451
I'm a whole nother anon.
I'm arguing against all tax.

[Anonymous No.10866472]

>>10866451
I hope you don't use roads

[Anonymous No.10866478]

>>10866463
I hope you don't use roads

[Anonymous No.10866493]

>>10866478
The government forbids private roads, steals money for their roads and forces us onto them. If i found a way to not use them i would go to jail.
As you should go to jail for such low level argumentation.

[Anonymous No.10866512]

>>10866493
>Imagine unironically believing the world would be a better place if there were only toll roads and anyone could build them anywhere they wanted
>Imagine being so retarded that you didn't know you could build private roads on private land and thought it was an abuse of your rights that you couldn't build them on land you don't own

[Anonymous No.10866546]

>>10866454
LOL because industry is doing such a good job right now.

[Anonymous No.10866549]

>>10866460
False dichotomy.

[Anonymous No.10866550]

>>10866512
You're pitiful.

[Anonymous No.10866553]

>>10866463
Then pay me for damaging my property with your CO2 emissions.

[Anonymous No.10866567]

>>10866553
If i had a factory and the justice system was based in private property and restitution instead of being a mess of arbitrary decisions by elected representatives that's how it should happen.

[Anonymous No.10866670]

>>10866549
we're in a two party system which makes it a true dichotomy

but hey it's twice as good as a one party system! help me out, /sci/, what's two times zero again?

[Anonymous No.10866745]

>>10866400
The soil/oceans become saturated and become net emitters

[Anonymous No.10866784]

>>10866034
Scam

[Anonymous No.10866793]

>>10866745
Evaporation of CO2 from soil and oceans increases with temperature regardless of whether it is a net absorber or emitter. The net result is the same increase in CO2, not a tipping point. You're not making any sense.

[Anonymous No.10866858]

>>10866034
Scam by the Club of Rome - they've been doing it for years. I'm sure we all remember the fear about fossil fuels running out, which was inspired by their 1972 report - oil supply seems to be doing fine, what a miracle!

They switched tactics to global cooling, then global warming, and now climate change. They publish many books on how to make money from climate disaster.

Because they're high level scam artists, they target children. They are involved in the manufacturing of Greta Thunberg and they support world-wide school protests, proof: https://www.clubofrome.org/2019/03/14/the-club-of-rome-supports-global-student-climate-protests/

Much easier to brainwash the kids, successfully doing so guarantees they will make money off them in the future.

[Anonymous No.10866866]

>>10866858
is that gorbachev?

[Anonymous No.10866889]

>>10866858
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10866893]

>>10866866
Yes.

[Anonymous No.10866895]

>>10866567
But it's not, so I guess you'll just have to accept taxes.

[Anonymous No.10866904]

>>10866889
You think the Club of Rome actually want to save the world?

[Anonymous No.10866977]

>>10866904
Doesn't really matter, take your conspiracy garbage back to your schizo containment board.

[Anonymous No.10867010]

>>10866977
Why you so mad? Is it because my carbon footprint is so much lower than yours?

I exhale CO2 into empty bottles and put the cap on, then bury the bottles in the ground. What the fuck are you doing to save the world?

[Anonymous No.10867050]

>>10866793
https://thehill.com/opinion/energy-environment/456112-greenlands-ice-sheet-wasnt-expected-to-melt-like-this-until-2070

[Anonymous No.10867060]

>>10867010
How am I mad? I'm amused at what a pathetic conspiracy-addled moron you are. Plus you don't even realize that breathing is carbon neutral.

[Anonymous No.10867065]

>>10867050
What is your point? Every time you make these vague posts it just reinforces how utterly misinformed you are, yet you keep trying to pretend you know what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.10867068]

>>10867065
see a doctor, autist

[Anonymous No.10867075]

>>10867068
Ah so no point, that's what I thought.

[Anonymous No.10867080]

>>10867075
feel better? good boi

[Anonymous No.10867088]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-49238745

[Anonymous No.10867092]

>>10867080
No, I'm just confused about why you're continuing to post nothing.

[Anonymous No.10867097]

>>10867092
>I'm just confused
awwwww

[Anonymous No.10867108]

>>10867060
Humans would never conspire to make obscene amounts of money would they?

Tell me, did Greta Thunberg get in the media spotlight organically? And why is she in the media spotlight?

[Anonymous No.10867112]

>>10867108
>crime doesn't exist because cops get paid

[Anonymous No.10867122]

>>10867112
What?

Why is Greta Thunberg in the media spotlight?

[Anonymous No.10867150]

>>10867122
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat

[Anonymous No.10867156]

>>10867122
You didn't understand his simple analogy?

[Anonymous No.10867161]

>>10867150
What's the matter? Afraid to talk about your climate Goddess? I know your basement walls are covered with posters of her.

[Anonymous No.10867166]

>>10867156
I fail to understand its relevance in the context of the Club of Rome.

[Anonymous No.10867181]

>>10867166
try some more tin foil

[Anonymous No.10867207]

>>10867161
Your gender dysphoria is acting up again.

[Anonymous No.10867217]

>>10867181
Greta says tinfoil is bad for the environment, so no.

I'm saving the world, side by side with Greta, we've got 12 years before it's too late. That's science. Deal with it. Money needs to start pouring into green energy in the next 12 years, not 50 or 100 years because they'll be dead before making much money.

[Anonymous No.10867222]

>>10867217
you seriously should stop obsessing about little girls

[Anonymous No.10867226]

>>10867207
It's triggered by climate change. There's so much of it going on outside right now. There are winds blowing in multiple directions, and a few clouds floating past which I'm certain are made of man-made CO2.

[Anonymous No.10867233]

>>10867222
Maybe you should tell that to the media. She's your climate spokesperson. She's speaking the facts, right?

[Anonymous No.10867247]

>>10867233
>fapping intensifies
cringe

[Anonymous No.10867276]

>>10867247
I haven't got time to fap, I'm too busy saving the world from destruction. Yes you might find me inspirational, but that means nothing to me if all you're going to do is be in awe of me.

Get off the computer and start doing something. Start capturing your exhaled CO2 and burying it. Start planting trees on airport runways. Start spitting in gas tanks. Donate money to Al Gore. Together we can save the world.

[Anonymous No.10867309]

[Anonymous No.10867317]

>>10867309
kek

[Anonymous No.10867324]

I usually get my info from Greta Thunberg, she seems trustworthy, but then there's this random old guy who disagrees with Greta, who should I trust? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCM2RyTZttc

[Anonymous No.10867327]

>>10866034
It's honestly not that scary anon. We've gone from pre-industrial about 260 ppm CO2 to currently about 400 ppm CO2. That has corresponded with a roughly 0.8 degree centigrade temperature anomaly. And the thing about the temperature anomaly is that it has it has grown over time, but at logarithmic scale not exponential or even linear. Basically if what has happened continues to happen we might be at say 600 ppm CO2 early on into the next century and that will probably only be like a .6 degree further increase. And then going from 600 ppm to 800 ppm over the next century after that will only be like a .4 degree temp increase.

[Anonymous No.10867334]

>>10867324
>Prager"""U"""

[Anonymous No.10867351]

>>10867334
Great point, I'll stick with Greta then. That random old guy doesn't know anything, he's either an actor or has Alzheimers.

[Anonymous No.10867387]

>>10867351
He knows but lies.

https://bbickmore.wordpress.com/2016/04/21/dick-lindzen-prager-u-and-the-art-of-lying-well/

[Anonymous No.10867410]

>>10866034
Not doomed, but standard of living is going to be bad. And food is going to be very expensive. We might also lose lots of technology.

[Anonymous No.10867414]

>>10866034
Oh way to fix it and not live like cavemen is fusion. But fusion might not work.

[Anonymous No.10867429]

>>10867387
Why is a climate scientist lying?

[Anonymous No.10867455]

>>10867429
Why are you posting lies? Do you not understand basic climate science or are you purposefully spreading misinformation?

[Anonymous No.10867462]

>>10866034
The antichrist is slowly raising the temperature of earth. eventually everyone will boil alive. this is the scientific consensus

[Anonymous No.10867463]

>>10867455
I just wanted to make sure that Greta is correct. I have an advanced understanding because of her.

I now know the old guy is a liar who said nothing of value. He can't be a climate scientist because climate scientists don't lie.

[Anonymous No.10867484]

>>10867463
Only a completely delusional retard would think this idiotic strawman exercise is working. Please keep making a fool of yourself. Please post more bottom of the barrel pseudoscience. This is hilarious.

[Anonymous No.10867504]

>>10867484
You won't be laughing in 12 years you carbon-based shithead. You'll be dying of starvation. Greta tried to warn you. She tried to warn the UN. But you didn't listen. All you had to do was buy more solar powered calculators. All you had to do was buy a Tesla. All you had to do was buy vegan food. But you couldn't do it, could you?

You should be fucking ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous No.10867511]

>>10867504
>Muh Greta
>Muh Al Gore
>Muh Youtube
Literally no one cares, you obsessed freak.

[Anonymous No.10867512]

its over.

every idiot that thinks they can save the earth now are naive idiots. the methane melting has started. anyone that knows what that means, knows that its game over. the only thing that will save us is spreading iron in the seas, but they won't let us do that. they want to crash and burn this earth and create a breakaway civilization to mars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMZbvrs51cg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_76R-Hq-JA

[Anonymous No.10867513]

>>10867504
12 years. thats a retarded statement

[Anonymous No.10867527]

>>10867511
>Literally no one cares
I know you don't care you CO2 emitting pig. That's why we're in this mess in the first place. It is your fucking duty to buy a Tesla as soon as possible. It is charged by electricity, which comes from wires, which doesn't emit CO2. Musk understands science, he invented the electric car to save the world, SUPPORT HIM.

[Anonymous No.10867531]

>>10867513
Say that when you're floating above Manhattan's sky scrapers in the ocean. Oh, you can't, because you've DROWNED.

[Anonymous No.10867535]

>>10867527
Please stop shitposting

[Anonymous No.10867541]

>>10867535
Says the man-made climate change denier who doesn't understand basic climate physics

[Anonymous No.10867543]

>>10867527

[Anonymous No.10867545]

>>10867541
You know nothing about my views, so don’t pretend to.
Stop shitposting.

[Anonymous No.10867547]

>>10867512
Have sex

[Anonymous No.10867550]

>>10867531
Another Retarded statement when the ice caps are COMPLETELY melted the sea level with be only 230 feet higher

[Anonymous No.10867554]

>>10866094
Yeah but they already sterilized everyone. That's what cell phones are for. A small fraction of them can have kids through in vitro fertilization though, for a time. eg with microwave induced zona reaction defects.

Ah what's the use. They'll never listen. Talk about the past in future tense until the very end.

[Anonymous No.10867564]

>>10867545
>You know nothing about my views
I can smell the CO2 coming off of you. You drink, eat and sleep CO2. You don't have a carbon footprint, you have a carbon crater.

Carbon tax is coming for you bitch, get ready for it.

[Anonymous No.10867566]

>>10867550
You'll be floating sky high I can't wait.

[Anonymous No.10867568]

>>10867566
lol

[Anonymous No.10867602]

>>10867324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIwKhX-1gZQ

[Anonymous No.10867610]

>>10867602
So I should trust Greta Thunberg over Richard Lindzen?

[Anonymous No.10867614]

>>10867610
you should watch the video

[Anonymous No.10867616]

>>10866209
>also they are afraid of Nuclear energy, the only clean energy source right now.
Does nuclear energy release a ton of water vapor which is actually a more powerful greenhouse gas than CO2? Plus there's always the chance of a meltdown

[Anonymous No.10867620]

>>10867610
You should stop being so clamped and use your own reason.

[Anonymous No.10867665]

>>10867564
You know nothing about my views, so don’t pretend to.
Stop shitposting.

[Anonymous No.10867722]

>>10867614
I have, I didn't see Richard Lindzen in it.

[Anonymous No.10867725]

>>10867620
But Greta is way smarter than us, that's why she made a beautiful speech in front of the UN.

[Anonymous No.10867727]

>>10867665
I'll stop shitposting when you stop shitting up the earth with your bullshit CO2. Natural CO2 is bad enough but at least it doesn't smell. Man made CO2 stinks like shit and causes lung cancer.

[Anonymous No.10867731]

>>10867727

[Anonymous No.10867745]

>>10867725
Clamped/10

This is why they clamp. Transcend.

[Anonymous No.10868106]

>>10867616
Releasing water vapor doesn't increase its concentration in the atmosphere. If ther temperature remains the same then the same amount of water will precipitate out.

[Anonymous No.10868186]

>>10866034
Noone can see the future.
When someone gives you a prediction just laugh at it!
When someone gives you an apocalyptic prediction just ignore it!

[Anonymous No.10868200]

>>10868186
So you're predicting that no one will predict the future in the future?

[Anonymous No.10868432]

>>10868200

[Anonymous No.10868454]

>>10867722
Why do denier cucks always appeal to authority?

[Anonymous No.10868883]

>>10866550
You got butt blasted by him, doesnt work like that. You dont even know what a carbon tax actually is.

[Anonymous No.10869082]

>>10866119
Well, the carbon tax would only work if there was 1 global jurisdiction.
If you implement carbon tax in 1 country and stick to it, just watch other unrestricted jurisdictions collect your ex tax payers and outcompete you into oblivion

[Anonymous No.10869128]

>some assholes are profitting off this so it means it's not real! Everyone but me is an idiot! See how clever I am?Here's some more ironic shitposting

[Anonymous No.10870583]

Here's a quick tip to help you folks get through life.

If someone says the world is ending, they are wrong.

[Anonymous No.10870597]

>>10866108
carbon tax doesnt work. look at france.

[Anonymous No.10870665]

>>10866064
Not a single citation was seen that day.

[Anonymous No.10871081]

>>10866034
The climate has always changed that's a fact but maybe you mean the theory of anthropogenic climate change, it's an old theory and as of today there are no proofs for it, in fact it has been disproven countless times.

[Anonymous No.10871085]

>>10866119
Retard tier response

[Anonymous No.10871113]

its legit but if you’re skeptical you should still believe in it because if you’re right you can laugh at those that believed but if you’re wrong the world will turn into an oven

[Anonymous No.10871277]

>>10866034
nobody profits off a study that says we're safe, however there are profits that come from doomsday prevention, therefore we can only fund studies that find a preventable doomsday is coming.

[Anonymous No.10871438]

>>10871277
Oil companies profit off the status quo which is maintained by casting doubt on climate change

[Anonymous No.10871446]

>>10866064
This website is literally owned by a democrat legislator, it's artificially propped up by google's "algorithm," as well.

[Anonymous No.10871463]

>>10871446
>Dude character assassination and conspiracy theory.

The route taken when you don’t have an argument

[Anonymous No.10871620]

>climate change

happens all the time

>manmade

yes this is a thing obviously to a certain extent (deforestation, ocean acidification, stripmining, microplastics, etc), but no we're not more powerful than the sun or the natural processes the planet itself is responsible for

[Anonymous No.10871781]

>>10866108
Yeah there are also negative feedback loops. But the IPCC just disregards them or have there models turn out that they will be positive.
Case in point. Snow cover.
Nowhere in the 5 IPCC reports you'll read that it will be a negative feedback loop, cause snow will melt and less snow less solar reflection. Duhhh. Turns out, higher temps cause rainfall to increase so much that there is a massively larger region in the northern hemisphere that is snow covered. How much larger? about 1-1.5 million sq km in summer months, and over 2 million sq km in spring and early autumn.

>>10866150
BS, they have no idea, all their models suck.

[Anonymous No.10871787]

>>10866108
>a carbon tax is an easily implemented solution
a carbon tax is not a "solution".
it is one of many tools that can potentially help

[Anonymous No.10871795]

>>10866108
why not just admit that a carbon tax is the only tool at your disposal, because tackling rampant development (the actual cause of emissions growth and global warming, in addition to deforestation, soil degradation, species extinction, and depletion of natural resources) is totally out of the question - probably because you and your infinite growther fascist buddies are the main beneficiaries of rampant development.

[Anonymous No.10871817]

>>10866034
>Tell me the honest truth, once and for all, and I will believe you. But be honest.
why do shills talk like this? is it some kind of intimidation?