Do races exist?

[Anonymous No.10860511]

Compared to dog breeds humans are barely genetically different.
What's the closest thing in nature to the 11 human races?

[Anonymous No.10860521]

what about cattle breeds?
taurine cattle are descended mostly from a group estimated at 60 cows 8-12,000 years ago

[Anonymous No.10860528]

>>10860511

[Anonymous No.10860538]

>>10860511
How come Indians are closer to Europeans than to east Asians? I mean geographically they're closer to east asians

[Anonymous No.10860569]

>>10860538
Poos, like Arabs, are basically really dark meds.

[Anonymous No.10860852]

>>10860511
>What's the closest thing in nature to the 11 human races?

The 11 human races.

[Anonymous No.10860857]

>>10860538
As it happens, my third cousin is in the next room right now. My father, though, is about 500 miles from here. Nonetheless, I am more closely related to my father.

>People move around.

[Anonymous No.10860866]

I remember people bringing up heterozygosity, I'm not really a biologist so I don't feel comfortable arguing this topic, but some simple googling gave me:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18322453

[Anonymous No.10860939]

>>10860528

Is there an interactive version of this?

[Anonymous No.10861033]

>>10860511
What defines a race?
Africans have dark skin, and Europeans light, for a reason. Flight and fight behavior is easier triggered when not surrounded by "one's own" people.
People ARE different.

[Anonymous No.10861048]

>>10861033
Skin aside hair , nose form, eye color are all natural adaptions to the respective climate.

[Anonymous No.10861054]

>>10861033
That's a superficial definition. If you want a biological one you have to use genetic distance and average physical and internal features. The genetic variance is very low compared to dog breeds and so is the physical difference. Most Africans and Europeans have heights that overlap. Meanwhile the sizes of dogs vary much much more. You can also get the same kind of dog breed to have different colored coats though.

[Anonymous No.10861084]

>>10861054
There are breeds officially classified different that have lower distance than people. Autistic dog breeders have basically used the reverse argument to make a this is bullshit point.

[Anonymous No.10861093]

>>10861054
There's like a massive physical difference in skin color, eye color, hair etc, just between african people and caucasian people. Intra african people also differ alot, just like intra caucasian people differ alot.

But what does it matter? They are people, they need help developing, but they don't need a colonized form of teaching. They should be given an open resource platform which they can extract knowledge from to help remedy their own problems with and reach out to us if they need extra help.
For instance, several staple crops in Africa, like bananas and cassava are at risk from pathogens, next to having little nutritional value. They should look to biofortify their crops and make them disease resistant without us Western people telling them to.
They know the problems, they know the crops, having them fix it (which they are doing), will massively help boost their socio-economic status, because a huge part of the population will actually develop normally, instead of having suffered chronic nutrient deficiencies.

I welcome more able people in the world where we can all work for a better tomorrow and where different cultures can learn from each other and develop independently.

[Anonymous No.10861135]

>>10861093
>But what does it matter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health

It has consequences and the differences need to be understood for effective healthcare and global migration policies. Several European countries have been misinformed about migrant crime, USA are still segregated and suffer from racial tension. It's not humane to disregard the problems that arise from migration whether you can call it different "races" or cultures mixing. If these superficial differences didn't matter we wouldn't still see them.
I wish the mainstream media would fight prejudice, not facts.

[Anonymous No.10861143]

>>10861084
So where is the line drawn then? What defines a race? Two creatures with a huge genetic distance and two creatures with a short genetic distance can't be put in the same category.

[Anonymous No.10861145]

>>10861135
Except Europeans, North Africans, the Caucasians, Arabs and Indians are the same 18th century race on paper. They barely differ from Europeans.
So whatever is happening to European countries is within the same 18th century race.

[Anonymous No.10861147]

>>10861135
Sure, I get that.
There are physiological differences and we should look into these to every individual can be helped.

But from a social perspective it shouldn't matter.

Segregation / integration / migration are extremely complex problems to deal with as a society. People always coming with these one liners are completely delusional and know nothing about the actual problems or possible solutions.
For instance, migration streams are necessary for a lot of European countries, simply because we're too educated and therefor don't want basic jobs and we also don't produce enough offspring.
The health care industry is going to come under so much pressure when population ageing is getting even more prevalent.
We need new people, but because we're not making enough ourselves, we're outsourcing them.

[Anonymous No.10861205]

>>10861143
How about nothing? It's arbitrary.

Any classification problem suffers from this issue.There is no objective border. You can say objective these 2 are genetically farther than these 2 but even that is not necessary useful because genetically different just means didn't fuck each other. There are various examples of even different species developing separate the same features. So competently different creatures turn more similar to each other than to their own close relatives while genetically of course remaining different. Whether you acknowledge this or keep genetic distance as the defining factor for distance is again just arbitrary.

>>10861147
They aren't necessary for survival. They are only necessary to fleece the peasants more by increasing competition in the job market. And the worst is these tards defend even getting fleeced while paying for training their own competition. You ain't making a profit on the war. You ain't getting any benefits but you are paying fully. That's all this is. Also secondary you forgot all these people from shitholes also import diseases locally managed. There was no sudden anti-vaxx rise even if media liked to blame them. You simply imported the issue.

[Anonymous No.10861208]

>>10860511
http://www.unz.com/jman/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

[Anonymous No.10861210]

>>10861093
Very holistic :)

[Anonymous No.10861219]

>>10861147
>But from a social perspective it shouldn't matter.
But it DOES matter!
This topic needs to be observed from a distance because it deals with groups (so personal anecdotes are meaningless) and it's off-topic on /sci/ .
Sociologists call it "unconscious bias" and it's proven we don't judge people outside of our ethnic group the same way as people within our ethnic group. Humans are "racist", just like every animal. Of course there are many situations when it's not true but the deep instincts favour our own people.

Take a test:
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html

Google's thoughts on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLjFTHTgEVU

[Anonymous No.10861224]

>>10861219
Yes, I understand ingroups vs outgroups. Doesn't mean because there's an automatic judgement, that we can't evolve beyond that as a society.

[Anonymous No.10861228]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjOYHwYn7gI

[Anonymous No.10861297]

>>10861147
>>10861224
Evolution solves most all problems yes. Problematic migration should not be forced unto nations that want to see other solutions. Take Syria as an example, accepting migration from a problematic leader bombing his own people is cowardly and inhumane. European countries don't need more people, no country needs more people!
Capitalists need more consumers and European countries had the welfare to support it. Now they are borrowing from future generations to support the unemployed refugees.

[Anonymous No.10861308]

>>10861297
Syrians were fine. The problems came 99% from immigrant groups that tagged along. Syrians had ~1.5% crime rate similiar to natives while some of the other groups had 30% crime rate. The police dude who disclosed this in media got demoted of course. Goes against the everyone is equal narrative.

[Anonymous No.10861634]

>>10861297
What are you talking about.
This is literally what consumerism dictates as your increasingly larger fraction of population that gets older and can't support themselves needs a larger base of younger people that supports them.
If you don't have any reasonable fraction of population that's productive because your fucking bones are too brittle to life a single brick, you'll go bust in a minute.

We could've handled less people if Europe wasn't so conservative in developing technologies like automation and biotech. However, our stance on those things sucks balls (because political leaders appease the masses, because otherwise they wouldn't be reelected, and guess what, the average European is conservative as fuck nowadays), which means we need to import people to do the labor and menial jobs for us.

We don't want to see other solutions, otherwise we'd already have them.

[Anonymous No.10861639]

>>10860511
>another "race realism" thread

[Anonymous No.10861818]

>>10860511
>humans are barely genetically different
Isn't this pop sci misinformation?
Caucasoids are 5% Neanderthal admixture, mongoloids are 5% Neanderthal and 5% denisovan, negroids are 10% other unidentified protohuman. None of that overlaps so there's 20% genomic dissimilarity from admixture plus change from conventional mutation, evolution and founding effects.

[Anonymous No.10861911]

>>10860511
But that doesn’t mean that race is of “virtually no genetic or taxonomic significance.” However small the racial partition of total variation may be, if such racial characteristics as there are highly correlated with other racial characteristics, they are by definition informative, and therefore of taxonomic significance.

[Anonymous No.10862028]

>>10861219
Give me an example of race existing in an animal group.

[Anonymous No.10862032]

>>10861818
>>10861911
Compared to dog breeds it's of no significance

[Anonymous No.10862052]

>>10861818

Not him but where are you getting 5% Neanderthal admixture? The max I see is 2.6%.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6363/655

>The two high-coverage Neandertal genomes allow us to estimate the proportion of the genomes of present-day people that derive from Neandertals with greater accuracy than was hitherto possible. We asked how many derived alleles non-Africans share with the Altai Neandertal relative to how many derived alleles the Vindija Neandertal shares with the Altai Neandertal—essentially asking how close non-Africans are to being 100% Neandertal (24). We find that non-African populations outside Oceania carry between 1.8 and 2.6% Neandertal DNA (Fig. 4A), higher than previous estimates of 1.5 to 2.1% (2). As described (25), East Asians carry somewhat more Neandertal DNA (2.3 to 2.6%) than people in Western Eurasia (1.8 to 2.4%).

[Anonymous No.10862065]

>>10860511
Is archniphobia genetic?
If so, is it more prevalent between certain races?
I feel like this would be a cool topic.

[Anonymous No.10862066]

>>10860528
PCA means population color analysis, you're literally separating people by their skin color, wow, what a revelation.

[Anonymous No.10862085]

>>10860857
This is a retarded explanation.
The real reason is because of geography separating indians from chinese more then it did with other caucasians

[Anonymous No.10862387]

>>10862032
It's about the same as dog breeds.
1/2

[Anonymous No.10862388]

>>10862387
2/2

[Anonymous No.10862414]

>>10862388
Looks like the distance is greater between dog breeds than between races

[Anonymous No.10862418]

>>10862066
>PCA means population color analysis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis

[Anonymous No.10862426]

>>10861205
>its nothing its arbitrary
> behavioral differences and biological development arearbitrary
stopped reading there because youre a
genuine retard crutching on a buzzword feel correct, fuck off

[Anonymous No.10862445]

>>10862414
Barely and some race distances are bigger than breed distances.
Compared to inter-species (human-chimp >1) or intra-race (english-german <0.01), inter-race and breed distances are similar, all around 0.1.
>Compared to dog breeds it's of no significance
That's wrong.

[Anonymous No.10862451]

>>10860511
Asians dont give birth to niggers

[Anonymous No.10862458]

>>10862445
>"The diversity in skeletal size and proportion of dogs is greater than any mammalian species and even exceeds that of the entire canid family (Wayne 1986a,1986c)"..[stuff snipped]..."In a genetic study of 85 breeds, Parker et al. (2004) showed that humans and dogs have similar levels of overall nucleotide diversity, 8 × 10-4, which represent the overall number of nucleotide substitutions per base/pair. However, the variation between dog breeds is much greater than the variation between human populations (27.5% versus 5.4%). Conversely, the degree of genetic homogeneity is much greater within individual dog breeds than within distinct human populations (94.6% versus 72.5%)."

https://genome.cshlp.org/content/15/12/1706.full

[Anonymous No.10862501]

>>10862458
>variation
That only means dogs are all more similar to each other within a breed than humans are.
>similar levels of overall nucleotide diversity
Means overall differences are about the same for both species.

[Anonymous No.10862540]

>>10860528
Why are they split into arbitrary chunks if the groupings are continuous, I understand the oceanians but East Asian to native American is a continuous shift with no radical change from one to the next

[Anonymous No.10862549]

>>10862458
>."In a genetic study of 85 breeds, Parker et al. (2004) showed that humans and dogs have similar levels of overall nucleotide diversity,

Did not know that, wow.

[Anonymous No.10862555]

>>10862540
Colors are not taken from genetic analysis, but from geographic origin. East Asian - Native American form a single genetic cluster, but it is an elongated cluster, meaning there is a real, biological variation there, however it has clinal character.

[Anonymous No.10862558]

>>10862555
>but from geographic origin
actually it is from self-described ethnicity

[Anonymous No.10862564]

>>10861208
>Supremacist lite propaganda
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.10862626]

>>10862028
>Give me an example of race existing in an animal group.
What definition of "race" are you expecting me to follow?
It's not a scientific specific measure but rather used in contexts where the different traits between individuals are of any practical value, ie some races of humans can metabolize lactose or some races of dogs are more eager to retrieve. Some races of horses are stronger and others are faster.

There's a bioluminescent fungus in America of the same species as a non-bioluminescent fungi in Europe, such miniscule but noteworthy differences (mutations) is normally called "variety" (abbr.: "var.") or "phenotype".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomic_rank
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variety_(botany)

[Anonymous No.10862833]

Who made 'genetic distance' the king of all statistics?

[Anonymous No.10862854]

>>10862418
No, I'm talking about for the image posted. I know more about that image than you do, so I am correct. Population color analysis.

Of course if you would explain this "principle component" thing and how it applies to the image, I'd have to admit defeat. Can you do that please? Are you able to?

[Anonymous No.10862855]

>>10861143
>What defines a race?
Each society draws its own line, that's what it means for race to be a social construct. Being white, black, or mixed race has very different social impacts in South Africa compared to the USA for example

[Anonymous No.10862862]

>>10860528
... wat? you do realize this picture shows that two people from almost any racial group there can be about as far apart as two people from almost any other racial group

[Anonymous No.10862864]

>>10860528
high iq take
>two saharan africans can be farther apart than a hazda and a central/southern eurasian therefore races really dont exist in any meaningful way
low iq take
>durr u can find criteria to group "races" therefore "races" exist and niggers are dumb

[Anonymous No.10862866]

>>10861143
>>10862855
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(biology)
>In biological taxonomy, race is an informal rank in the taxonomic hierarchy, below the level of subspecies. It has been used as a higher rank than strain, with several strains making up one race.[1][2] Various definitions exist. Races may be genetically distinct populations of individuals within the same species,[3] or they may be defined in other ways, e.g. geographically, or physiologically.[4] Genetic isolation between races is not complete, but genetic differences may have accumulated that are not (yet) sufficient to separate species.[5] The term is recognized by some, but not governed by any, of the formal codes of biological nomenclature.

>If the races are sufficiently different or if they have been tested to show little genetic connection regardless of phenotype, two or more groups/races can be identified as subspecies or (in botany, mycology, and phycology) another infraspecific rank), and given a name. Ernst Mayr wrote that a subspecies can be "a geographic race that is sufficiently different taxonomically to be worthy of a separate name."[19][20]

>Study of populations preliminarily labelled races may sometimes lead to classification of a new species. For example, in 2008, two populations of the brown planthopper (Nilaparvata lugens) in the Philippines, one adapted to feeding on rice, and another on Leersia hexandra grass, were reclassified from races into "two distinct, but very closely allied, sympatric species", based on poor survival rate when given the opposite food source, barriers to hybridization between the populations, uniform preference for mating between members of the same population, differences in mating sounds, oviposition variances, and other distinguishable characteristics.[13]

See the following for a treaty on human races:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_society

[Anonymous No.10862870]

>>10862866
So this guy
>>10862855
is correct...

[Anonymous No.10862877]

>>10860511
it's all just made up taxonomy. People with different color of skin exist, if that's how you define race, race exist.

Planets, stars and moons are the same thing, just different mass, if you leave out the fact that from certain point, the gravitational forces begin to fuse particles and emit energy.

[Anonymous No.10862884]

>it's an "everyone's a post-modern existentialist specifically when it comes to this subject that makes me feel icky" episode
brb knocking up my sister because family is a made up taxonomy


>inb4 reductio ad absurdum
also made up

[Anonymous No.10862921]

>>10862870
This is a science, not language, board so no. Each society does not draw their own lines for what constitutes a race. That poster implies it's about skin color which a biologist would call a phenotypical difference.

[Anonymous No.10862932]

>>10862864
>>10862862
look at the clustering you moron

just because races partially overlap and are not totally distinct does not invalidate the concept

[Anonymous No.10862939]

>>10862501
Yeah that's what a breed is supposed to be about. Dogs similar enough to each other.
But humans overlap alot more.

[Anonymous No.10862967]

>>10860538
because they're both descended from the same group of nomadic aryan invaders

[Anonymous No.10863000]

>>10862564
>genes affecting intelligence and temperament is supremacist propaganda
you fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10863003]

Can someone define what a species is and what a family class and genus is and how great the genetic distance is between them. That way we can make sure we're doing it right.

[Anonymous No.10863012]

>>10860538
wtf is the true????

[Anonymous No.10863061]

>>10863012
yes, why do you think they both speak an indo-european language?
south indians are more dravidic

[Anonymous No.10863077]

>>10862864
>all of group A are left handed
>all of group B are right handed, except for one member who is left handed
>group B is therefore exactly the same as group A and there is no discernable difference between the two
Smh

[Anonymous No.10863084]

>>10860528
Jesus fuck, there are too many people here replying to this who are claiming that the fact that there is more variance within a race than the variance between the means of two different races means that there is no evidence of dissimilarities to be found.
These people can't even into statistics and they're on the science board, what the fuck. It's the same kind of logic as that tweet claiming that statistics are racist becuase there's less black people so when they commit more crimes it makes them look worse.

If the average of one group is different than the average of another group then the groups are DIFFERENT. End of story. Variance doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.10863320]

>>10860538
Indians are Caucasoid, if you couldn't tell from their skull shape. High-caste indians (the lighter skins ones) especially, since they didn't breed with the dark-skinned native (dravidian?) populations.

[Anonymous No.10863335]

>>10861093
Uninformed and not in line with reality. You should watch "Empire of Dust." Free money won't help them. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

[Anonymous No.10863341]

>>10863084
>If the average of one group is different than the average of another group
The GROUPS are predefined by social constructs.

I'll give you an extremely generous take on that graph, and say PC1 and 2 reflect the overall genome (protip: it fucking doesn't). Take the color away and tell a computer to define the best groups. It won't be the groups you like.

[Anonymous No.10863346]

>>10863335
They are literally solving problems of bananas by introducing vitamin A producing genes in it right now. They're also dealing with cassava pests and with banana diseases (which is a global problem) and the same is being done for cow pea. Fixing food security for themselves is the number one issue that will propel Africa into an actually competitive continent (which is, by the way, already becoming increasingly competitive)

You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.

I'm not even talking about money. Your reading skills seem to be below average.

[Anonymous No.10863379]

>>10863346
>will propel Africa into an actually competitive continent (which is, by the way, already becoming increasingly competitive)
watch what I told you to watch and pay attention to Chinese investment.

[Anonymous No.10863413]

>>10863335
>>10863379

Empire of Dust is meme shit spread by brainlets. Protip: the "horses" being led to water in the Congo are not the same horses that exist in Nigeria or Rawanda. Thus why Nigeria is one of the top economies in Africa and Rawanda is the top safest places in Africa. Meanwhile the Congo nation is stuck in middle with little going for it.

[Anonymous No.10863421]

>>10863379
>Chinese investment
>African opportunism

[Anonymous No.10863427]

>>10863413
>Empire of Dust is meme shit spread by brainlets
It's unabashedly the truth. Cognitive Dissonance hurts, doesn't it?

>Protip: the "horses" being led to water in the Congo are not the same horses that exist in Nigeria or Rawanda.
very good, there have always been excellent African nations that continue to be successful. How does this address the point that throwing money at da poor opwessed black peepo won't necessarily magically fix everything?

[Anonymous No.10863443]

>>10863427
Because you'll get intra African power dynamics, instead extra African geopolitics residing in Africa and colonial intellectualism.

[Anonymous No.10863448]

>>10860511
As a hard category? Obviously not

[Anonymous No.10863460]

>>10863427

It's the truth specific to the Congolese not necessarily to others. Which Empire of Dust is usually used to blanketly apply to all Sub-Sahara Africa Nations not just the Congo. It is not cognitive dissonance to highlight this.

>How does this address the point that throwing money at da poor opwessed black peepo won't necessarily magically fix everything?

It doesn't, I'm just pointing out that using Empire of Dust as a blanket example to retort the previous anon is bad. Targeting food resources for better nutritional value is correct in that it will help the population health. But It's clear the nation of Congo as a government and populace will need more than just nutrition to help it. Rawanda was in a similar situation as Congo and it required a full-blown genocide war between it's own habitants to get it's shit together finally.

One would hope the Congo will not need such drastic events. Thus some view the attempt to fund specific activities as a resolution.

[Anonymous No.10863465]

>>10863000
Nobody claims that they don’t affect them. What is propaganda is overestimating that influence and downplaying the importance of a host of other factors that go into forging the behavior of an individual.

[Anonymous No.10863470]

>>10863427
Please realize that the 2nd Congo War never really ended. It will take some time to get un-fucked, like this guy said >>10863460

[Anonymous No.10864120]

>>10861033
When you think about how our cultures have evolved over time skin colour is pretty interesting.

>Flight and fight behavior

We do know that our species began killing each other fairly early. (The bible claims the first murder took place in the first family.) There is plenty of evidence for the former.

Skin colour would have made identification of ones own people easier. Enemy invaders would be very easy to distinguish from a distance.

If skin pigmentation variation came from mixing with neanderthals it would explain some things. There is increasing evidence though that every continent was originally inhabited by a dark skinned race who burned their dead. For the most part less dark skinned people killed them all off with a little interbreeding.

Something fucked up started happening between white and dark skinned people in early prehistory and imo we just kind of need to get over it.

[Anonymous No.10864139]

Only evil alt-right racists like the Nazis at nature cell and ncbi think race is real.
>Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races.
Source: http://pritchardlab.stanford.edu/publications/pdfs/RosenbergEtAl02.pdf
>"Human genetic variation is geographically structured" and corresponds with race.
Source: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html
>Race can be determined via genetics with certainty for >99.8% of individuals.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15625622
>Oral bacteria can be used to determine race.
Source: http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-10-oral-bacteria-fingerprint-mouth.html
>Race can be determined via brain scans.
Source: http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2900671-5
>Common-sense racial categories have biological meaning.
Source: http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race2.pdf
>A substantial amount of the human genome has been subjected to natural selection since the races diverged.
Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1317879/
>With 160 short gene sequences, race can be determined with 100% accuracy for Whites, Asians, and Africans.
Source: http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297%2807%2960574-6
>Principal continent of origin (race) can be determined with 87% accuracy even for highly mixed populations.
Source: http://www.cell.com/ajhg/abstract/S0002-9297%2807%2960574-6
>“It is inaccurate to state that race is biologically meaningless.”
Source: http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n11s/full/ng1435.html
Race is biologically real and represents “genetic clusters” of variation. Source: http://stx.sagepub.com/content/30/2/67.abstract

[Anonymous No.10864144]

>>10864139
>first link doesn't even work
Fuck you

[Anonymous No.10864175]

>>10861147
>But from a social perspective it shouldn't matter.

Who are you to judge that?

Kin selection is real. Race is just a heuristic way of judging who is more related to you genetically, thus helping them furthers your own genes more so than helping someone outside of your race. To say that 'shouldn't' matter is like telling a parent not to prioritize the needs of their own child above the needs of someone else's child.

[Anonymous No.10864185]

>>10864144
>stanford bows down to the social justice virus
amazing how even science folds to them

[Anonymous No.10864367]

>>10863465
>im not saying genes don't real im just calling you a nazi for saying they do
>btw your a nazi for not pandering to my feelings by talking up trivially unimportant """environmental""" """factors""" not bc im a deranged sj moron

[Anonymous No.10864780]

>>10860511
According to a political theory I follow since it’s a mindshaft gap—in theory. Is that Americans are African marching to China. China instead warred back because of worry. As we choose the traditional route to go on about Morocco/Spain it has hit us via a blind spot which is Saudi Arabia and Ethiopia. Meaning indigenous peoples of America exist but are ostracized by the Asian whom despite playing huge empirism forget that there is a triple crown. So it must tell everyone that they are not from the old continent to satisfy itself. And instead casts them to the Americas overminding their ‘betrayal’. However there is no betrayal it just needed a venture. So it must then say it threw you to itself. To satisfy the argument it must undermine Native American people and overmind Native American Semitic legality.

[Anonymous No.10865255]

>>10862833
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.10865402]

>>10864367
>environmental factors are insignificant
Try and raise a bunch of white kids in separate basements with no human interaction and see how they turn out

[Anonymous No.10865421]

>>10860511
>Compared to dog breeds humans are barely genetically different.
False. Fixation index between sub-Saharan Africans and Europeans is .153 while dog breeds range from 0.12 upwards to 0.47 which implies we are as genetically different as a lot of dog breeds.
Compared to other subspecies of other species, we do have similar and even higher differences among each other.

Races exist biologically, what is a social construct is just how people group them. For example, in the US, Africans are people with mostly African ancestry, while in Brazil, it’s anyone with any degree of African ancestry as long as it is the majority. As in, a 30% African, 20% native American, 25% European, 5% Asian, 20% Amazonian person is considered African in Brazil, but probably not in the US.

If races do not exist biologically, then 23 and me won’t exist as they won’t be able to determine where snippets of DNA comes from. Neither would archeologists won’t be able to analyze old skeletons DNA to know whether they are similar to native’s or not.

[Anonymous No.10865464]

>>10865402
Your sample is not representative. Raise a bunch of white and black kids in basements with no human interactions but give them some tools and items that they can put together into comprehensive structures and see what percentage of whites and blacks would put these items together.
Or even simpler, get a bunch of kids of different races in different age groups and do the patience test. Put a candy in front of them and tell them if they wait 30 mins without eating it, you’d give them a bowl full of candy. Those who can wait generally have higher intelligence than those who don’t because higher time horizon correlates with intelligence. Same with other objective measures like reaction time, distinguishing similar shades of colors, and minute weight differences between two items.

This is all to try and see if there is a genetic factors for intelligence, even though we have plenty of twin studies to know that it is to a high extent. Something like 20-30% environmental and 80-70% heritable.

[Anonymous No.10865510]

Humans have more genetic difference than Jaguars, of which there are 8 subspecies.

[Anonymous No.10865630]

>>10861297

>problematic leader bombing his own people

He's mostly bombing the problematic people your government arms over there

[Anonymous No.10865676]

>>10860569
H’wat?! There’s light skin Arabs and light skin poos (albeit still poo) but I’ve seen some very light skin Syrians as well as light skin Egyptians or Palestinians. Coptics tend to vary from brown to light complexion. But some Poos are dark as nignogs from the congos

[Anonymous No.10867153]

>>10863341
Do you know statistics, methods, calculations and interpretation?

[Anonymous No.10867472]

>>10860511
race is fairly arbitrary in humans. There isn't a set definition, some races are defined by skin tone, some other physical characteristics, some by religion, and some by ethnicity. Ultimately I think what makes a race is how we as a society group it.

[Anonymous No.10867474]

>>10867153
Yes.

[Anonymous No.10868409]

>>10867472
I guess it's a combination of genetics and culture.

[Anonymous No.10868732]

>>10865510
>no continuum
You know your argument is really weak when it relies on graphs with incomplete samples

[Anonymous No.10869421]

>>10864175
>>10864175
It shouldn't matter because we're all one race. The human race.
Now fuck off. Multiculturalism has won, enjoy having your pick of the litter between African women, Asian women, Indian women, South American women, the list goes on.
If you're a truly modern human you'd quickly realize it's all surface level bullshit at best. As soon as you'll venture out of your own comfort zone that is your basement you'll see that humans deal with the same shit literally everywhere and they all have the same emotions and they all have language to communicate emotions and concepts and they all have wants and needs and none of them wants to die (too soon anyway).

Instead of wanting to keep segregation going, grow the fuck up and accept humans as humans, no matter how much out of your group they seem to be.

And your analogy falls fucking flat because it doesn't make sense, a more correct analogy is that someone else's child shouldn't have less of a chance to get in a certain school than yours, simply because it's someone else's child. It's gonna suck if that kid gets in school and you might throw a hissy fit or two and might even start a personal vendetta against the family (maybe even develop a diabolical plan to make your kid become the other kid's rival and then let them fight to the death or something fucked up, who knows what can happen with your crazy ass brooding fantasies), but at the end of it all you're just a fucking statistic. A fucking statistic with the same attributes as >7G other people.
You're 1/7000 000 000. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.10870052]

>>10869421
Don’t you think we should preserve the races but live in harmony. I think some halfbreeds are good but we should also have groups that marry within the same ethnic group 80% of the time or so, so that we can create subspecies and sub cultures in the future

[Anonymous No.10870289]

>>10870052
Just live in harmony and not worry about who's fucking who. Europe used to be comprised of more diverse groups that eventually became more homogenous. Literally a mutt race like Hispanics. Now you cling to that so dearly. So if you want to only procreate with white skinned people, go ahead. But stop forcing your retarded values onto others.

[Anonymous No.10870332]

>>10870289
Oh I'm someone else not a nazi

[Anonymous No.10870345]

>>10870332
Idk, it sounds a little fascist-y when you say we need to shape the racial future of society. It's a slippery slope, so be careful.

[Anonymous No.10870744]

[Anonymous No.10870752]

>>10870289

>just breed with people who have an IQ of 70 and a tendency for violence bro, its no big deal, dont be a bigot

[Anonymous No.10870755]

>>10870345

dont you leftist usually preach that slippery slope is a fallacy?

[Anonymous No.10870844]

>>10870755
>>10870752
Shut up nazi you’re not me.

[Anonymous No.10870943]

>>10860511
Humans have great amount of genetic diversity compared to other animals.

[Anonymous No.10870949]

>>10870943
And they also diverged from each other enough time ago.

[Anonymous No.10870969]

>>10870949
>>10870943
Source? Because it seems really FISHY to use the word subspecies

[Anonymous No.10870971]

>>10870969
Lol no it doesnt

[Anonymous No.10870972]

>>10870969
http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/329/

[Anonymous No.10870977]

>>10870943
>domestic dogs are more similar than humans
>different dog breeds can’t even breed with one another (small female dogs can’t breed with huge male dogs for example)

That image must be fake. Literally all humans can breed together. The size difference is nothing compared to dogs. Those numbers are off the rocker.

[Anonymous No.10870978]

>>10870972
>google it
>first link is /sci/ (this thread)
>second link is /pol/
...

[Anonymous No.10870982]

>>10870977
Yes, different subspecies can interbreed. And I dont know whether dogs have greater or lesser genetic diversity compared to humans.

[Anonymous No.10870983]

>>10870978
Anon, that's URL. Don't put it in google.

[Anonymous No.10870988]

>>10870982
>And I dont know whether dogs have greater or lesser genetic diversity compared to humans.
Cross this out

[Anonymous No.10870989]

>>10870982
Yeah sure a subspecies can interbreed. But dogs can barely manage it. Saying dogs are less of a differentiated that humans despite how dogs have been selectively bred for tens of thousands of years and humans haven’t, is crazy. That data seems wrong. I prefer research papers.

>>10870983
Well I don’t want to be put on a watchlist.

[Anonymous No.10871005]

>>10870989
>Saying dogs are less of a differentiated that humans despite how dogs have been selectively bred for tens of thousands of years and humans haven’t
Just because dog breeds were created artifically doesn't mean it is different than other subspecies

> That data seems wrong. I prefer research papers.
What do you think those red names under the column "source" respresent?

>Well I don’t want to be put on a watchlist.
I am not spoonfeeding you so if you don't want to stay dumb I suggest you take a chance and click it. I know you can do it.

[Anonymous No.10871014]

>>10871005
I agree that humans are differentiated into different groups but dogs are much further gone. I just want to know how many races really exist.

[Anonymous No.10871022]

>>10871005
Post a study that says humans should have subspecies.

[Anonymous No.10871027]

>>10871022
K
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19695787

Not that it will convince you of course. You only said this because you were certain that no such study exists which likely stems from your beliefe in the myth that there is consensus among scientists about race not being real.

[Anonymous No.10871060]

>>10871027
This paper also says that the differentiation is too low atm. We need to stay inside out own ethnic groups for a while longer to really differentiate. But the generation time is really too long it would take thousands of years of super selective inbreeding

[Anonymous No.10871079]

>>10871060
>it is determined that racial variation is too small to represent differentiation at the level of biological species
Is that what you're referring to when you say differentiation is too low ?
Because you were talking about subspecies before, not species.

[Anonymous No.10871082]

>>10871027
Be careful with these compilation sites. ncbi or whatever simply provides a means to access publications. At the top you can see the paper was published in Medical Hypothesis in 2010.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Hypotheses

I'm not taking this source very seriously.

[Anonymous No.10871091]

>>10871079
Yeah it’s for species but the author still feels like he’s on the fence for the need for a sub species category

[Anonymous No.10871158]

>>10871060
>This paper also says that the differentiation is too low atm.
Really, where?

>We need to stay inside out own ethnic groups for a while longer to really differentiate. But the generation time is really too long it would take thousands of years of super selective inbreeding
That's not true, see>>10870949

[Anonymous No.10871166]

>>10870949
>time
How about number of generations?

[Anonymous No.10871546]

>>10860538
>>10860538
>>10860538

the Aryans, and Neolithic farmers

[Anonymous No.10871687]

>>10860511
We already know that Amerindians have demonstrated a higher development rate than europeans. It's like scientists always omit this for some reason... Really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.10872132]

>>10863341
look buddy if the average of genetic diversity of two caucasians is 40% of the diversity of the human race, your son will on average be 20% displaced from you. Your sister will be 20% displaced as will as you only share 50% of your genetic material, and when she mates with an average caucasian your niece will be 30% displaced from you.

Now switch up to mating with an african with a group Fst of 15
Now when you mate you will on average be 55% away from eachother and your offspring will be 27.5% away from you.
Your niece will be 37.5% away.

So you will hardly have a better genetic bond with your interracial son than with a same race niece or nephew.

[Anonymous No.10872139]

>>10862387
>Nigerians, Japanese, English are all exactly as genetically dissimilar to a chimpansee
In all seriousness, is this even possible considering the not insignificant dissimilarities between eachother?
European to Jap is 3.8% of chimp to man
Jap to Nigerian is 9.3% of chimp to man

[Anonymous No.10872153]

>>10871687
source:your ass

[Anonymous No.10872158]

>>10861093
Yeah but should we mix (destroy diversity of peoples) or segregate (maintain diversity and differences)?

[Anonymous No.10872196]

>>10872153
Amerindians have demonstrated a higher development rate than europeans.
>europeans
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to solutrean:10000 years (30000BC-20000BC)
>from aurignacian-antelian to start of crop development: 9000 years(30000BC-21000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 10500 years (21000BC-10500BC)
>from neolithic revolution to 1000ºC copper furnaces: 5000 years (10500BC-5500BC)
>from neolithic revolution to bronze metallurgy: 6000 years (10500BC-4500BC)

>Amerindians:
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to clovis: 5500 years (16000BC-10500BC)
>from aurignacian proto-gravettian to the start of crop development: 5000 years (16000BC-11000BC)
>from start of crop development to neolithic revolution: 7000 years (11000BC-4000BC)
>from neolithic revolution to 1000ºC copper furnaces: 3300 years (4000BC-700BC)
>from neolithic revolution to bronze metallurgy: 4700 years (4000BC-700 AD)


-"2003a. Tiwanaku Period (Middle Horizon) bronze metallurgy in the lake Titicaca basin: A preliminary assessment. En Tiwanaku and its hinterland, T 2. A. Kolata, (Ed.), pp. 404-434. Smithsonian Institution Press, Washington D. C."
-"1997. El bronce arsenical y el Horizonte Medio. En Arqueología, antropología e historia en los Andes: Homenaje a María Rostworowski, R. Varón y J. Flores E. (Eds.), pp. 153-186. Instituto de Estudios Peruanos, Lima."
-"https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317346941_Ancient_metalworking_in_South_America_A_3000-year-old_copper_mask_from_the_Argentinian_Andes";;;;;;;;
-"Historia de América Andina: Las sociedades aborígenes"
-"https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF02859340";;;;;;;
-"http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0141923";;;
-"http://whc.unesco.org/en/tentativelists/1873/";;
-"https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoamericano";;
-"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluefish_Caves";;
Therefore Amerindians have more civilization potential than europeans. How is this hard to get?

[Anonymous No.10872213]

>>10861145
>indians
How?

>>10870949
This >>10871166
Dogs, birds, lizard and ducks have 5-10 generations each human generation, tigers 3.

So only the Lizards are comparable. Tigers and ducks had probably about two times as many generations to establish the subspecies.

[Anonymous No.10872221]

>>10872196
What's the ice age?

[Anonymous No.10872234]

>>10860538
The Himalayan Mountains and the Hindu Kush mountains were large barriers to travel between the Indian subcontinent and East Asia. The only real contact between the two would have been through long-distance trade.

[Anonymous No.10872235]

>>10863000
If races don't exist, how do you explain a picture of an old, ugly person next to a young, pretty person?

[Anonymous No.10872236]

>>10872221
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Age_(2002_film)

[Anonymous No.10872238]

>>10860511
Yes, there are human races. Also, all humans save some Africans are racially mixed.

picrel shows the racial mixture of Europe. All modern Europeans have large swathes of Middle Eastern ancestry, roughly 40% on average, due to the Aryan invasions and Anatolian farmer invasions of Europe.

There are similar genetic dynamics in other populations. The average Chinese for example is largely "Northeast Asian", but also has a significant amount of Southeast Asian and Siberian ancestry.

To understand this it is necessary to understand how genetic race forms. When a population is isolated from others for long periods of time, it develops genetic quirks which get passed on within itself, but are unknown in foreigners. These quirks then form the "racial base" of the population.

Like all things, it is a gradient and not discrete. The most major two races in humanity are human and non-human: with the west Africans being human and everyone else being subhuman to some degree. After that, the biggest difference is between African and Eurasian human ancestry. After that it's West Asian vs. East Asian. Then Indian splits off. Then Middle Eastern and European split off, etc. You can keep going to higher and higher resolution splits that are progressively smaller.

[Anonymous No.10872239]

>>10872235
This but unironically

[Anonymous No.10872246]

>>10872238
There are also two types of racial mixture, deep and shallow.

The mixture of American and European in Hispanics, or of Mideastern and European in Whites, is a shallow mix. This is because the mixtures happened relatively recently, and there has been no isolation since the mixture, which would have allowed differentiation.

An example of deep admixture is Eurasians. Eurasians are 97% Human and 3% Neanderthal, but because this mix is so old, and because all Eurasians are descended from the same small group and thus have uniform Neander proportions, the Neanderthal ancestry is "incorporated" into the Eurasian genome. The only way you would know it existed is if you compared it against an actual Neander genome. Otherwise, it is indistinguishable and can look like a normal Afro-Eurasian difference.

Another example of deep admixture is Native Americans. Native Americans are essentially a two way mixture of something East Asian related, and something that was mixed between Indian and Euro/Middle Eastern. However, Native Americans today produce their own unique racial component. This is because they have been isolated for so long, and also because the mix that fathered them got mixed into the rest of Eurasia and no longer exists, so there's nothing to compare it to.

[Anonymous No.10872247]

>>10872196
Why are Amerindians still stuck in the Bronze Age then?

[Anonymous No.10872255]

>>10872247
>stuck
There is no single evidence of this.

[Anonymous No.10872289]

>>10872247
because they encountered an untouched land of free shit that did not require additional adaptation. So their development lagged behind Eurasia.

Basically the same thing that's happening to America now, and why nations like Japan/Korea and even most of Europe are outperforming it per unit wealth.

[Anonymous No.10872294]

>>10872255
Let me know when Latin America is ready to join the rest of the developed world then. Because I don't see any end in sight.

[Anonymous No.10872295]

>>10872196
Native Americans have the highest proportion of ANE ancestry, which are the guys who fathered the Indoeuropeans.

Makes sense that they'd be the most "superior" even if they didn't have the numbers to survive genocide.

[Anonymous No.10872300]

>>10861219
>and it's proven we don't judge people outside of our ethnic group the same way as people within our ethnic group.

tldr; everything whites say is basically bullshit

[Anonymous No.10872326]

>>10872294
>Let me
Amerindian higher civilization potential is demonstrated here.>>10872196

[Anonymous No.10872328]

>>10872326
But they're still stuck in the Bronze Age.

[Anonymous No.10872330]

>>10872328
>stuck
No evidence of this.

[Anonymous No.10872347]

>>10872328
They were genocides just before surpassing Europeans. They would be colonizing Jovian moons by now.

[Anonymous No.10872348]

>>10865510
that says less about humans and more about the shoddy definitional aspects of species.

we don't know that all species really are such, because we haven't tested the genetic compatibility of a ruby throated humming bird and a blue throated hummingbird.

[Anonymous No.10872368]

>The eurangutan tries to strawman its way out of the discussion
*Yawn*

[Anonymous No.10872415]

>>10869421
You saying this is proof of how little you interact with others. We are not the same.
What does >50 despite being 13?

[Anonymous No.10872470]

>>10869421
Nothing but buzzwords and mainstream/college approved 1 liners. Delusion is palpable. Obv sheltered baby

[Anonymous No.10872504]

>>10872470
Mainstream is real stream.

[Anonymous No.10872695]

>>10872368
whenever these discussions come up, half of it is always insecure eurangutans chimping out. Or mayos, ghosts, gweilos, whatever you call 'em.

[Anonymous No.10873343]

>>10872415
Civilisation potential

[Anonymous No.10873390]

>>10860511
We have already gone through this /pol/, there are only two races: Humans and goyim.

[Anonymous No.10873402]

>>10860511
You tell me.

[Anonymous No.10873468]

>>10860511
>Compared to dog breeds humans are barely genetically different.
Meaningless comparison. Dogs have been bred to have that huge variation, and to be kept as pets or working animals. Nothing like that variation developed in dogs fending for themselves.

[Anonymous No.10873563]

>>10873402
>TFW FROM DENMARK
HAHAHAHA I WIN.
Not white btw

[Anonymous No.10873845]

>>10872415
What the fuck is >50 despite being 13??
How little I interact with others? I'm just fed up with people spouting bs literally all the time.
So let me make it very clear to you in a very non-agressive set of lines:
-1) I'm to judge because we're living in a world where literally everything is attached to one another. We like to keep the idea of segregation (and to some extent it's true that ingroups prefer to be around ingroups), but pragmatically we are living in a multicultural society where everyone just wants to get by. Statistically speaking there's only a handful of people in the outgroups who mean harm or who should directly conflict with your view.

-2) Kin selection might be real, but so are majorities of ethnicities. Show me an example of a society that's completely mixed (every part of the population is equally presented by a certain ethnicity) and if then kin selection is still real, you may have a point. Otherwise, it can be seen as some psycho-social artifact because the indigenous population is overrepresented.

-3) Your analogy makes no sense. Family != ethnicity, think harder about it next time.

>>10872470
Great retort. I can actually feel the intellect oozing off of this one.

[Anonymous No.10873904]

>>10870943
Kek. No we don't. Homo Sapiens are very inbred.

[Anonymous No.10873910]

>>10872238
>>10872246
>making up numbers
>using figures with no citation that you will never be able to explain

>pretending to understand genetics

You realize people that actually do understand science can see through your lies plain as day.

[Anonymous No.10873915]

>>10870943
>check out this excel spreadsheet I made
Fake
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24032721

[Anonymous No.10873921]

>>10872238
>>10872246
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/298/5602/2381.full

educate yourself