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Non-ionizing can't hurt you.
Non-ionizing does not interact with cells.
Non-ionizing safe.

>> No.10822161

>>10822152
you are bathing in radiation every moment of your life and you did the same before wifi existed
I don't understand, what is your fucking point people?

>> No.10822167
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>>10822161
>modulated microwave radiation is the same as sunlight

>> No.10822174

>>10822167
don't put words in my mouth faggot
it's not the same
it's weaker
your fucking body produces higher energy particles then microwave

>> No.10822180

>>10822167
Sunlight is far more harmful, actually.

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>>10822174
>photon energy and power density are the same thing

>> No.10822184

>>10822180
>sunlight goes through walls

>> No.10822185

>>10822181
Both of these are weaker than the stuff your body makes in the case of wifi.

>> No.10822190

>>10822184
If it goes through it isn't interacting and nothing is happening.

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>>10822185
>dude check out these attowatts of microwave radiation coming from my dad bod

>> No.10822194

still waiting for that point you were about to make
if you are trying to point out that standing 3 feet in front of a 10 kilowatt microwave antenna will fuck you up then, congratulations on this groundbreaking discovery, but try to focus and get back on track

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>>10822190
>missing the point

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10822198

>>10822194
>it's a good idea to interfere with voltage gated calcium channels and the spin of molecules in human cells

>> No.10822202

>>10822184
What does that have to do with whether it's harmful or not?

>> No.10822204
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10822204

>>10822202
>Why would 24 hour exposure to sunlight be bad

>> No.10822206

>>10822198
you are talking fucking gibberish

>> No.10822211
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10822211

>>10822206
here anon, educate yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsaB7ewFsN0

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>>10822206
>biophysics is too hard

>> No.10822217

>>10822204
Your arguments aren't consistent. sunlight contains ionizing EM radiation in the form of UV, and its lower frequency EM radiation is at a much higher amplitude than what you would get with 5G waves.

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>>10822217
>humans evolved in sunlight but not microwaves
>???

>> No.10822226

>>10822222
Checked but honestly a trivial waste of pents.

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>>10822226
>humans evolved in oxygen but not ozone
>?

>> No.10822229

>>10822222 (wasted)
If humans are well adapted through evolution to resist sunlight, dealing with far lower frequency, lower amplitude radiation shouldn't matter at all.

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10822234

>>10822229
>just evolve bro

>> No.10822238

>>10822234
We already have if we can deal with sunlight just fine.

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10822239

>>10822238
>just evolve bro

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>>10822238
>bro look that tree didnt evolve bro haha who needs trees anyway

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>>10822238
>bro look at that schizo bush that didnt evolve bro, fucking tinfoil russian bot

>> No.10822246

>>10822239
Look around your village sometime. Negroids are well adapted to constant exposure to solar radiation, which is far more harmful than extremely low-amplitude, low frequency radiation.

>> No.10822253

>>10822222
>>10822228
To be clear what I (>>10822229)
meant was that the post was clearly correct (i.e., the sun emits microwaves) but it was trivial and wasted the power of the pents.

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>>10822246
How do you know I live in a village bro?
>sunlight is the same as microwaves again bro, if i keep saying it its true

>>10822253
the power density of microwaves emitted from the Sun on Earth's surface are below attowatt level

>> No.10822260

>>10822246
no anon, they have a shaky old man in a formal attire reading a cringe powerpoint about microwaves affecting the rotational velocidensity of your testicles, so clearly 5G is a greedy jewish plot to brainwash and slowly kill off the most productive and also most money wasting demographic on the planet

>> No.10822261

>>10822259
>How do you know I live in a village bro?
You must be an 85 maximum IQ turd worlder if you're not just baitposting.
>sunlight is the same as microwaves again bro, if i keep saying it its true
Sunlight is worse for the human body than extremely low amplitude microwave radiation.

>> No.10822263

>>10822260
>literal adhom when confronted with actual science
state of /sci/

>> No.10822268

>>10822259
>the power density of microwaves emitted from the Sun on Earth's surface are below attowatt level

per what unit of area/volume?

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>>10822261
do you think anyone who opposed 5G is a rural and suburban retard, tranny?

humans evolved to take advantage of sunlight, not microwaves. this is why microwaves kill all living things and your employers cant get insurance on their transmitters.

>>10822268
m2

>> No.10822271

Visible light is harmful

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10822276

>35 posts
>5 posters
lol
Put away the amphetamines and get off 4channel, retard. You do know that sitting in front of a computer/smart phone causes cancer, right?

>> No.10822278

>>10822263
it's quack science
it's fucking bulletpoints talking horseshit topped off with number of studies conducted

I will go and make a powerpoint talking about how many times did I do your mom last year and the impact this had on the weather
I will also put an arbitrary number of studies conducted (e.g independent researchers fucking your mum as well, to reproduce the results) at the end with nothing to search for them or at least breaking down their fucking methodology.

>> No.10822282

>>10822270
>he's calling out my baitposting and won't accept my pseudoscientific premises
>I'll just call him a tranny and pretend he votes left wing
You really showed me.

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>>10822278
>>10822282

>> No.10822289

>>10822152
>Getting shot with 1 flashlight doesn't hurt
Therefore
>Getting shot with 10,000,000,000 flashlights 24/7 won't hurt

Regardless of what kind of effect it could/might have, maybe I don't want to be walking around in a gigantic mess of shit that is LITERALLY beaming reddit/facebook through my organs and every fucking cell of my body.

Good.... Let the shitposting flow through you....

We live in a society where you can be "violent" with speech, and rape practically means anything. Why can't we claim rape on all the wireless shit constantly penetrating us without consent?

Why can't we even avoid it without having to go the old "off grid schizo lmao" route

>> No.10822290

>>10822288
you wish

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10822291

>>10822278
>it's quack science

>> No.10822295

>>10822288
Regular consumption of simple carbs is more harmful to the human body than 5G.

>> No.10822297

>>10822289
you could have done this instead of retarded wojakposting
encourage more research to be done on the issue without making yourself sound like a twitchy paranoid lunatic
I will support that too

>> No.10822300

>>10822295
didn't know that consuming carbs killed all biological life thanks for letting me know tranny anon im keto now

>> No.10822315

can somebody post the pastebin?

>> No.10822319

>>10822300
Why aren't all the trees outside my window dead from the extremely high energy solar radiation?
>inb4 the argument goes in a circle again

>> No.10822323

>>10822319
>why can I eat apples and feel fine, but I eat lead and I die??? wtf??????

>> No.10822329

I say again:
You do know that sitting in front of a computer/smart phone causes cancer, right? So why are you still here?

>> No.10822338

>>10822329
you can turn those off at night retard. you are being microwaved as you sleep which prevents proper recovery.

>> No.10822342

>>10822323
>What do you mean injecting 10mg of morphine into the patient's bloodstream is fine? Just 2mg of fentanyl is enough to kill a man!

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10822343

>>10822342
>the sun is fentanyl
>microwave transmitters are morphine
you're losing this one very hard

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10822349

>>10822338
Yeah, so are you. So were your parents and your parent's parents and all your ancestors that existed since the beginning of radio broadcasts. I say again: go easy on the stimulants.

>> No.10822351

>>10822343
>my ridiculous analogies based on non-sequiturs are fine
>other anons using analogies to poke holes in my arguments warrants a brainlet wojack response.
Weak.

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>>10822349
and so the scat dump commences
radio broadcasts have only been prevalent for 0.000001% of biology's existence on this planet, microwaves even less so. soon we'll be getting rid of 'em and you'll be out of a job.

>>10822351
you've poked no hole in my science-backed statements, nor have you posted any studies showing 5G is safe- you never will.

>> No.10822357

>>10822161
Only a tiny fraction of the background power is absorbed by our body. Meanwhile if you put a cellphone right next to your body that's around 3-5w of power right to your brain and the distance is only few inches. Its a factor of ~100x-10000x more than background radiation.

>> No.10822358

>>10822356
>radio broadcasts have only been prevalent for 0.000001% of biology's existence on this planet, microwaves even less so. soon we'll be getting rid of 'em and you'll be out of a job
good thing the contribution of radiabroadcasts and microwave ovens is utterly insignificant and negligible compared to the radiation we get from the sun.

You are basically complaining about a drop in the ocean.

>> No.10822359

>>10822357
>Its a factor of ~100x-10000x more than background radiation.
it's actually 1000000000000000000x more than background microwave radiation (no joke)

>> No.10822362

>>10822357
>that's around 3-5w of power right to your brain
lmao fucking what? no, that's not how power works. if that was the case, people who use cell phones would be dead within a minute or so. (literally dead, not some vague notion of "hurr durr ur brain is fried")

>> No.10822364

>>10822358
why dont microwave ovens just use a big incandescent bulb to heat your estroburger in the morning? maybe because the energy from that IR-UV radiation does not penetrate far?

what happens when a living organism is exposed to microwave radiation? whoa- cells are stimulated? what happens when cells are artificially stimulated for long periods of time... something beginning with c....

>> No.10822369

>>10822364
>cells that are not meant to be stimulated deep in the body are stimulated*
VGCC as mentioned earlier play into this

>> No.10822408

>>10822362
Actually 2G/3G and older phones use to use 2-3w antenna power. I think modern phones might have come down in power due to shrinking die. The reason its not a widespread issue back then was because we didn't use to have mobile phones glued to our head like we do today, so the average usage was much lower.

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10822421

>that feel when you figure out radio and microwave transmitters are an assault on the male before conception due to male sperm being less able to tolerate exposure

>> No.10822430

>>10822244
>>10822241
This. This is why they will cut down the trees in cities. So you cant see how it literally kills things.

You can perform an experiment right at your house for 5 dollars assuming you have a phone. Get a pot and plant anything in it, a flower, a bean, anything. Grow it as a normal plant, give it sunlight and water. Plant another plant of the same kind in a different pot and do not put it near the other plant. Keep both plants far away from your router but place your phone next to one of the plants. The one with the phone beside it will not grow.

>> No.10822445

>>10822421
Could this be the reason for autism and trannies?

>> No.10822449

>>10822430
I do this, it's plainly not true. I have an orchid next to my bed, and when I go to sleep my phone is right up against the pot, for hours each and every day. It grows just as well as the other orchid I have, and they're both far from my router. Your prediction isn't true.

>> No.10822498

so then guys what are the best way to reduce activation of the calcium channels then, since we can't entirely avoid radiation. calcium channel antagonists? do you think that microwave radiation could be related to the increase in obesity and atherosclerosis nowadays?

>> No.10822511

>>10822449
Do you have 5g?

>> No.10822538

>>10822511
No, 5G is expensive and basically useless for me. 4G still has modulation and plenty of bandwidth. People have been adamantly arguing that cell radiation is harmful long before 4 and 5G, so without significant evidence regarding 5G specifically, I don't believe that this step up will happen to be the one that introduces significant harm.

>> No.10822554

>>10822538
we've known since moscow signal that non-ionizing is very harmful

>> No.10822588

>>10822554
oh go gas yourself you sack of shit

>> No.10822591

>>10822588
concession accepted

>> No.10822607

>>10822591
no concession, just facts that you are a raging retard who probably thinks eating fish causes cancer from the tiny amounts of mercury in it.

seriously, go gas yourself you sad sack of garbage called a human. you don't even deserve the human tag for how worthless you are. what a waste of cells.

>> No.10822612

>>10822607
damn you are seething right now, lost the debate on every point now you're just a boiling pit of rage

>> No.10822621

>>10822612
i'm not even the OP you were talking to. just a lurker who can't believe how utterly retarded you are. you are trash. nothing but pure toxic filth going out there and spreading fear and paranoia. ruining all good things for people because you are a raging retard who can't even engage in basic understanding. please do humanity a favor by gassing yourself.

>> No.10822623

>>10822621
holy reddit

>> No.10822632

>>10822623
oh, look, reddit boogyman. you truly are a retard of retards. what's next, /pol boogyman?

>> No.10822635

>>10822621
Having this sort of reaction to science just is not health anon. Get help.

>> No.10822638

>>10822635
Not him either. There is no science in this thread. This garbage belongs on >>>/x/.

>> No.10822655

>>10822638
Wrong there have been several studies posted showing the harmful effects of non-ionizing radiation and you just came in and sperged out.

>> No.10822659

>>10822655
>there have been several studies posted
no

>> No.10822676

>>10822659
reddit is that way

>> No.10822681

>>10822498
you don't need to do any of that stuff. non-ionizing radiation doesn't cause direct cancer. period. we have known this now for nearly a century now. what's going on right now in the actual scientific circles is not the study if non-ionizing radiation causes cancer directly, because it can't, but rather can non-ionizing radiation trigger secondary affects that can cause harm. we have known for nearly a century that non-ionizing radiation cause cell excitement. this is how microwaves work and how they heat up your food. it quickly causes water in the cells to reach boiling point and higher temperatures to cook the food. it causes cell's to vibrate, which in turn generates heat since the cells are creating fiction. under normal circumstances this is generally harmless because the heat levels are either not high enough to cause major stress, its high but not for long duration, limited exposure, or at cell excitement levels the body can generally tolerate. the debate other cell phone non-ionizing radiation is about if the power levels of the antennas are strong enough, with direct body to phone contact to cause any cell excitement great enough to cause enough stress from the heat to start an oxidation process that can lead to enough cell damage, that the cells can't keep up quick enough with cell repair, that can possibly cause irreversible DNA damage.

so far all data has shown, for the most part, no. the only type of cancer possibly can be linked to this affect is a particular form of brain cancer. if this comes out to be the case, then all it means is that there are brain cells more susceptible to heat. thus, they have more of an intolerance to heat. which means this isn't an affect limited to a secondary affect caused by non-ionizing radiation. there have been studies over the years linking how you sleep on your pillow to this exact same form of brain cancer.

>> No.10822689

>>10822681
tobacco does not cause cancer directly

>> No.10822720

>>10822689
Neither does asbestos

>> No.10822730

>>10822689
and your point? what using wanting to ban cigarettes to ban cell phones? the problem with cigarettes, as you pointed out is the other crap they put into them. and all that crap isn't limited to a tiny, fraction of a chance of getting a single, to maybe a second certain type of cancer. all the crap in cigarettes increase your risk of nearly every single type of cancer by 2 - 40x. with lung cancer from all the tar being a near 40% chance over 10-20 years. so far non-ionizing radiation for brain cancer from cell phone is maybe 0.2-0.5% increase after 10 years. a far cry from lung cancer from cigarettes.

the power level of non-ionizing radiation isn't nowhere close to cigarettes and to conflate the two is beyond dishonest to borderline purposeful manipulative.

>> No.10822736

>>10822730
>we should definitely not ban carcinogens goyim, that would be antisemitic

>> No.10822738

>>10822689
>>10822720
also again missing the point of the fact if this link is true, then ---isn't limited to non-ionizing radiation.--- this opens a giant door to show the dangers of heat on the brain. that anything that causes high, prolong heat to the brain can cause brain cancer. like sleeping on your pillow. what then? ban pillows? ban space heaters? ban the desert?

>> No.10822744

>>10822736
so you want to ban life? are you from california by chance that labels every single thing, like fish, with a warning that it can cause cancer? the only stuff we should ban that can cause cancer is stuff that has a high probable chance of causing cancer. especially stuff that has a high probably chance of causing every cancer in the book. not banning stuff that has less than 1% chance over 10 years to cause maybe one or two forms of cancer. if you want to go that far then you might as well ban life as drinking water can cause cancer from the stress of water drowning on your cells from over hydration.

>> No.10822750

>>10822738
it has nothing to do with heat. look up VGCCs

>>10822744
5G is an attempt to ban life

>> No.10822757

>>10822152
The dumb thing about all of this is that even if we operated off of the assumption that radiowaves give you cancer, it would have to happen on an epidemic level to warrant getting rid of this technology.

Let's say one out of every one thousand people are killed by cell phone tower cancer. How many people out of a thousand have their life saved because of modern telecommunications systems? Everyone who has ever had a sudden cardiac arrest or called an ambulance while they're bleeding out. Everyone who has had the cops arrive on time when their house is being robbed by armed burglars. Everyone in a war zone who needs an airstrike against the insurgents about to crest the hill that's perched above their spot.

Cell phone towers don't cause cancer, but even if they did, it would be so rare that it would still be worth it.

>> No.10822761

>>10822757
mobile phones should be for emergencies only

>> No.10822769

>>10822757
Anyone who is hit by a cell tower microwave has their quality of life reduced. 5G will stop people from working it will make them so sick.

This is economic terrorism.

>> No.10822773

>>10822761
People in the developing world use them to pay their bills, to do their jobs, to make the kind of money that lets them elevate out of poverty. If we agree that phones save lives in the US, then the effect is an order of magnitude more important in places that are just starting to adopt this technology.

Plus, we know lots of other shit gives people cancer too. A leaf blower emits literally 100x more small particulate pollution and carcinogens than a car, per hour (look it up). But we're cool with using those instead of just making the groundskeepers rake leaves.

Why is this controversy even worth giving a shit about if the possible effect is dwarfed completely by stuff we already know is bad?

>> No.10822780

>>10822769
>5G will stop people from working it will make them so sick.
I'm marking your words lmao

>> No.10822781

>>10822773
you have a choice to turn off a leaf blower retard and a leaf blower cant be used as radar for privacy invasion

your arguments are pathetic

>> No.10822783

>>10822769
you couldn't be more vague and cryptic if you tried.

how do you quantify 'quality of life' and what specific QoL-lowering effects are you blaming on cell towers?

keep in mind that every case of people blaming EM on psychosomatic symptoms has failed to replicate in a blinded and controlled setting

>> No.10822788

>>10822781
>you have a choice to turn off a leaf blower retard and a leaf blower cant be used as radar for privacy invasion

The person operating the leaf blower is not the only one breathing it in. Try to order a random groundskeeper to turn off his blower when you're walking by him. He'll tell you to fuck right off.

>> No.10822792

>>10822783
the NTP study found clear evidence of weak 2G/3G modulation causing malginant cancer

>> No.10822796

>>10822792
did it perchance happen at exposure levels 1000x higher than what any person would ever be subject to?

I too think we should ban restaurants from serving a glass of water because a paper showed 1000 glasses of water drunk in succession results in death

>> No.10822800

>>10822796
no, it was only slightly higher than if you held a mobile to your head. remember, this is OLD MODULATION. Modulation is the primary bio-active factor

>> No.10822803

>>10822796
You don't need a paper there was that one lady who died for a contest.

>> No.10822804

>>10822800
>no, it was only slightly higher than if you held a mobile to your head.

gonna need to see that paper, chief

>> No.10822806

>>10822792
>>10822800
[citation needed]

>> No.10822807

>>10822804
it was linked earlier
https://ntp.niehs.nih.gov/go/cellphone

for autodebunking your bullshit:

https://ehtrust.org/science/myth-vs-fact-national-toxicology-program-cell-phone-cancer-study/