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Considering the articles in the pic is it safe to say that nofap and celibacy make sense?
links:
Sexual arousal induces hypofrontality, impairing working memory and executive performance:
>Pornographic picture processing interferes with working memory performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23167900

>Sexual Arousal Decreases the Functional Synchronization Between Cortical Areas in Young Men
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2012.665815?journalCode=usmt20

>The Impact of Sexual Arousal on Sexual Risk-Taking and Decision-Making in Men and Women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26310879

Adverse effects of sexual excess on the brain:

>Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202
Shows a loss of gray matter in the right caudate of the striatum from pornography indulgence.

Literally stronger than drug urges:
>Craving Responses to Methamphetamine and Sexual Visual Cues in Individuals With Methamphetamine Use Disorder After Long-Term Drug Rehabilitation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725310/
"that sexual demand might be more robust than drug demand"

>> No.10820964

>>10820955
This reads like a cherry picking of studies to reinforce an ideological position of asceticism. Similar to how violence in videogames was researched and "found to reinforce violent or aggressive behavior" decades ago in order to support the ideological position that games are bad.
Sex itself is a primal urge, and addictive or exaggerated behaviors do mess with pleasure and sensation. This is not to say that enjoying it is bad, but rather that an extreme is what creates problems (a generally true statement).
The ideological focus on celibacy and anti-porn is based on a /pol/-level knee-jerk response to technology such as the proliferation of pornography. The idea that it can somehow be banned and society will return to an idealized form. This is not the case however.

>> No.10820975

>>10820955
I mean, I'd definitely say jerking it everyday isn't good for you. But nofap is also a meme. I'd say limit yourself to 1-2 a week

>> No.10820986

>>10820955
Looks like most of these studies are about being actively aroused. If you don‘t get any sexual satisfaction, you‘d be aroused more often though, not less.

>> No.10821019

>>10820955
Every 7-10 days for me. You should jerk off as often as you would if pornography did not exist.

>> No.10821039

>>10821019
i don't watch porn and still jack it 3-4 times a day bro. You should only stop when it loses viscosity or starts tasting bitter

>> No.10821042

>>10820964
If i cum to multiple women in a session for 20 years and then i try to fuck only one woman for the rest of my life it doesnt fucking work and you dont need any studies or research to figure that out.

>> No.10821069

>>10821042
Looks like all negatives from over here

>> No.10821077

>>10821042
>If i cum to multiple women in a session for 20 years and then i try to fuck only one woman for the rest of my life it doesnt fucking work and you dont need any studies or research to figure that out.
Yet this has been going on for tens of thousands of years. Not via porn, but promiscuity.

>> No.10821104

>>10821077
Nigger what. Since fucking when. Every non nigger culture has strong marriage customs. What ever happened to no sex before marriage? Youre so fucking brainwashed you imagine the ancients just having massive orgies day and night

>> No.10821105

>>10821039
kek

>> No.10821107

>>10821042
Kek fukin lyin incel

>> No.10821110

>>10821039
That's just habit. I used to do that, probably still could. 25.

>> No.10821120

>>10821104
>Nigger what. Since fucking when. Every non nigger culture has strong marriage customs. What ever happened to no sex before marriage? Youre so fucking brainwashed you imagine the ancients just having massive orgies day and night
Rome, Greeks, Sumerians, Babylonians, and so on say otherwise. Strong marriage traditions with one man, one woman, and monogamy aren't the most typical.

>> No.10821121

>>10821077
>>10821104
>>10821120
History is not science and historical "facts" are biased and easy to falcify.

>> No.10821122

>>10820955
NNNNNOOOOOOOO

>> No.10821128

>>10821120
Lmao notice how you can only name civilizations before christ came and straightened things up (except for the romans which accepted christianity later).

>> No.10821139

>>10821121
>History is not science and historical "facts" are biased and easy to falcify.
That sounds like denial not a rebuttal.
>>10821128
>Lmao notice how you can only name civilizations before christ came and straightened things up (except for the romans which accepted christianity later).
It's strange that you imagine Christianity made any real difference here. The first thousand years after Christ was full of harems, and non monogamous arrangements for powerful men. Well into the middle ages. Monogamy is really just a tool women used to tie up men and confine them.

>> No.10821151

>>10821139
>That sounds like denial not a rebuttal.
Things so unreliable and unprovable don't need a rebuttal. You don't ask people to rebut ufologist theories and hypotheses do you.

>> No.10821157

>>10821151
>>That sounds like denial not a rebuttal.
>Things so unreliable and unprovable don't need a rebuttal. You don't ask people to rebut ufologist theories and hypotheses do you.
The onus is on you to support your claims. A lack of argument, insinuation, and bad faith rhetoric doesn't make a case for you. It only shows that you lack a defensible position.

>> No.10821159

>>10821139
>It's strange that you imagine Christianity made any real difference here
It did

>> No.10821165

>>10821157
You may believe in some apocryphal things but they are not good arguments in discussions of science

>> No.10821188

>>10821039
Top kek

>> No.10821222

>>10821165
>You may believe in some apocryphal things but they are not good arguments in discussions of science
Still making insinuations in place of actual arguments. I must infer that you have no arguments to make.
>>10821159
>>It's strange that you imagine Christianity made any real difference here
>It did
Such as?

>> No.10821259

>>10821222
I've already made my argument: >>10821121. Your knowledge of history is based exclusively on your beliefs. Your personal religious believes were out of place in this discussion, that's the only thing my reply was about. There was no need to stretch this offtopic discussion.

>> No.10821279

>>10821120
stupid nigger it wasn't like that for the majority of people just like today everyone believes that people are having orgies all the time and sleeping around with dozens of people but in reality only 20% of people (if that) have access to many partners

These orgies you speak of were more a collective spiritual experience with divine undertones. As in only priests sanctioned and permitted orgies within sanctified grounds. This exists in the modern form in Iceland, where a bunch of autists enter a big dark room and fuck anyone they can find.
Harems and the like, meanwhile, were reserved solely for men at the very top of society. Even these had a certain mystique about them. The average man had zero access even to brothels because most people lived in villages and only had access to the town bicycle.

Contrast this with today where one has tens of thousands of 'models' at the click of a button. There is no 'learning experience' with the other individual. There is no compromise: if you don't like a certain feature then instead of overlooking it you can just find another model.

Porn has most definitely had a much greater impact than you believe.

>> No.10821281

>>10820964
violent videogames definitely influence violent behavior though, there are now many examples of mass shooters who patterned themselves after them
You are the one who is attempting to set the terms of the debate on idelogical grounds, those of anti-puritanism. It is a clear fact that today pornography has become ubiquitous in an unprecedented way, and it is very reasonable to assume this has profound consequences on modern man.

>> No.10821287

>>10821279
polynesians had a non-religious culture of promiscuity

>> No.10821301

>>10821120
Guess what those civilizations are all gone. Greeks are going extinct and so are those pathetic Italians

>> No.10821302

>>10821287
>comparing isolated island populations to actual humans

>> No.10821303

>>10821287
And they're gone now. All the other cultures survived. You can only name extinct cultures.

>> No.10821308

>>10821303
you are making the assumption that the current culture will be dominant forever
anyway, polygamy is alive and well, in africa, the middle east, Utah, etc, etc. Marriage as an institution may be dying out.

>> No.10821320

>>10820955

>falling for christian propaganda

>> No.10822312

>>10821259
>That is not an argument. It is a conclusion based on insinuations. It's the equivalent of jumping to the conclusion before presenting facts. I asked you to provide said facts more than once and you simply engaged in personal attacks. In other words you have nothing. Stop wasting my time.
>>10821279
Your problem is that you're focused on extremes which are biased in favor of your culture. The point I have been making here is that a strictly monogamous one-partner relationship is not the most common arrangement and more broadly, denying yourself sex or sexuality in favor of the illusion of a bygone era that never existed is quite irrational because of the damage it inflicts to ones self.
>>10821281
This is simply false. No one modeled a school shooting after a video game they played. The studies conducted only ever found modest links with aggression and this could be explained by stimulation. There is no reasonable link between playing a game and shooting people. What happened is that people focused on circumstantial association rather than the root of the problem: broken culture. An undermined cultural fabric where young men are emasculated and conditioned into lone wolves. Just as today you blame porn for a continuation of the problem: young men are isolated from women because society has continued to hand women everything on a platter at the expense of men. So obviously men decide to spend time on porn as a safe bet rather than waste time with women who are now dangerous.
>>10821301
No civilization lasts. You only stated the obvious. Christian civilization is ending now as well. In 500 years something else will be the new normal. It is the way of things.

>> No.10822448

>>10821139
Sounds like youre just pulling shit out of your ass now shill. No matter how many times you say something, it isnt true.

>If you tell a big enough lie and frequently enough, it will be believed -Adolf Hitler

>> No.10822582

>>10822448
>Sounds like youre just pulling shit out of your ass now shill. No matter how many times you say something, it isnt true.
>>If you tell a big enough lie and frequently enough, it will be believed -Adolf Hitler
Literally "everyone I don't like is a shill, the children's guide to online arguments"
Attacking and name-calling are the classic signs of someone who has a weak position. You never once even made an argument, and cannot name any facts when pressed to do so. Go away. I'm done with you.

>> No.10822790

>>10822312
>This is simply false. No one modeled a school shooting after a video game they played.
A quick google search would demonstrate how wrong you are. Many shooters have patterned their plans after videogames. A recent trend is the use of Go Pros to try and mimic the firsf-person shooter experience, see the New Zealand shooter and ISIS videos. Note that I am not arguing that video games CAUSE this violence, only that they clearly have an influence.
>There is no reasonable link between playing a game and shooting people.
Again, you are engaging in wishful thinking. You have an agenda and are willfully ignoring the obvious reasons that people might disagree with you.
>Just as today you blame porn for a continuation of the problem
I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth.