/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10786738]

Is autism the next stage of human evolution?

[Anonymous No.10786744]

>>10786738
No. It's brain damage and occasionally interesting adaptation to that damage. Otherwise, maladaptation.

[Anonymous No.10786751]

>>10786738
There are a number of variables you failed to account for in your assertion which in turn invalidates your claim of neurological superiority.

Here is a list for you to assess without jumping to ignorant generalizations.
>Environment
>Community
>Culture
>History
>Options
>Perception
>Politics
>Livelihood
>Ideology
>Religion
>etc...

Another way to put this, there are a number of variables responsible for the mass influx of entitlement and abandonment of exploration,determination, and conviction. One of such being the abundance of distractions and culture which glorifies chasing dopamine triggers. Your comment is one of which that contributes to said variables in a communal sense by reinforcing the idea that the masses are lazy, and in turn conditions those who try to be like the masses into following suit with said generalization. It also reinforces the idea that unless someone is "Autistic" they cannot contribute to society in a meaningful way thereby further stifling the seeds of originality and creativity for those who would seek to add something to the melting pot that is this world.

[Anonymous No.10786754]

Probably not because it tends to come with being unable to read or interpret emotions/intentions of others on a society where our brain development gave us an advantage at being able to communicate and interact with other people.

[Anonymous No.10786804]

Hmm, interesting. I've actually been working on brain enhancing software that works by inducing autism.

[Anonymous No.10786816]

>>10786804
Is it this post?

[Anonymous No.10786822]

>>10786738
Early clamping of the umbilical cord potentiates worse autism.

[Anonymous No.10786836]

>>10786738
Nah, autism has always been a thing since prehistory. Its mainly the autismos that are progressing human kind, so in a way, you can say they're the lucky(and unlucky for those not high-functioning)

[Temporality_ No.10786879]

>>10786738
It would actually be the opposite of what you have proposed in the picture. The Autistic brain is very ridged and unwelcoming to change. Once a pattern is set, the Autistic brain will do anything in its power to keep that pattern going. They like predictability, this is why an Autistic child may rotate a numbered cube for hours on end, they always know whats on the other side and it is always predictable.The same goes as they grow up. Many people with Autism will watch the same video over and over to memorize what happens next.

In short they like to know when A happens B and C will happen next. In the more severe cases (80+ on the spectrum), if that does not happen they will have a mental breakdown.

[Anonymous No.10786916]

>>10786738
Yes. It's evolition to protect us from whatever causes synaptic pruning and the resulting cognitive defects. The more "high IQ genes" you have, the more likely oyu are to become autistic. It's simply being too smart (or perhaps rational) among moreons.

Another likely difference are low arousal emoitons, which may however have the same cause.

>>10786744
No, it is the opposite.

>>10786751
Using the autism speaks logo completely invalidates your opinion if you ever had any.

>>10786754
The primary cause for thi is that your emotions are different from others. In china the same range of emotions is completely acceptable and there is the vocabulary for them in Chinese: https://mandarincorner.org/survival-chinese-30-words-to-express-feelings-and-emotions/

>>10786879
This is completely false, it's the neurotypical people who get stuck on opinions and cannot get rid of them; this lack of the confirmation bias is actually a major cause of the social problems, as many social skills are built around abusing this bias.

[Anonymous No.10786921]

>>10786916
>No, it is the opposite.
No.

[Anonymous No.10786924]

>>10786921
I explained it in the line above that one.

[Anonymous No.10786931]

>>10786924
I know, I read the whole post. Loss of theory of mind etc is not advancement.

Look, here's my problem. Autism is not natural. They are doing things to these kids. This is being done TO people, and it's not a good thing. What started it was radar. This is when it became more common.

[Anonymous No.10786934]

>>10786931
>Loss of theory of mind etc is not advancement.
It isn't loss. Autistic theory of mind is superior to the normie one, it is only a problem because normies consider any difference from them a defect.

>What started it was radar. This is when it became more common.

I see where it's going. No. Autism might have caused radar, but the opposite is obviously not true.

[Anonymous No.10786935]

>>10786738
autism is the great filter, it's the last stage in evolution

[Anonymous No.10786936]

>>10786751
>t. low functioning autist

[Anonymous No.10786938]

>>10786934
>It isn't loss. Autistic theory of mind is superior to the normie one, it is only a problem because normies consider any difference from them a defect.
Elaborate.

>but the opposite is obviously not true.
Why? What do you think causes this "lack of synaptic pruning" and altered axonal guidance and dendritic spine formation?

I was exposed mostly to the fields from a waterbed heater prenatally. No brain cancer or leukemia, fortunately. :^)

[Anonymous No.10786941]

>>10786935
5G and nanotechnology is the great filter.

[Anonymous No.10786944]

>>10786938
>Elaborate.
Will post copypasta below

>Why? What do you think causes this "lack of synaptic pruning" and altered axonal guidance and dendritic spine formation?

The resistance to whatever causes it. Nearly everyone experiences it, which resulted in "scientists" deciding that fewer synapses is a good thing. But it is not.

[Anonymous No.10786947]

>>10786944
>But it is not.
You can give an animal compounds which increase synaptogenesis, and block their pruning. It makes the animal perform worse.

The idea that we were deliberately crippled, genetically. The idea that some element of our environment dumbs us down and some animals are smarter because they're more resistant. And so on, are old sci-fi ideas. I would be more open to this idea if autism didn't clearly come at a cost.

[Anonymous No.10786951]

>>10786944
>Will post copypasta below
Yes. More specifically, they differ in how they process situations where multiple ToM’s interact. Let’s take the following three examples:

1. On the bus:

Jim, a young student, is riding a bus. When an old lady gets on the bus, Jim promptly gives up his seat for her. What does it tell us?

Neurotypical people reply it shows Jim’s good character. People with HFA typically cannot conclude anything.

2. Skinned knee

Jenny falls, and skins her knee. Neurotypical Johny responds by showing how he cares she’s hurt. HFA Jim responds by giving her a Band-Aid.

3. Accidental poison

Grace and her friend Mary are taking a tour of a chemical plant. When Grace goes over to the coffee machine to pour some coffee, Mary asks for some sugar in hers. There is white powder in a container by the coffee. The white powder is a very toxic substance left behind by a scientist, and therefore deadly when ingested in any form. The container is labeled “sugar,” so Grace believes that the white powder by the coffee is sugar left out by the kitchen staff. Grace puts the substance in Mary’s coffee. Mary drinks the coffee and dies.

Is Grace to blame?

HFA people typically answer she sort of is.

Neurotypical people answer “no” since she didn’t know it was actually poison.

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[Anonymous No.10786953]

>>10786951
This is somewhat unexpected, since HFA people do not differ in how they solve the false belief task, which shows they do have Theory of Mind. The way it is usually explained is that HFA people do have some sort of mind blindness, but can compensate for their lack of ToM in the simpler cases.

However, the difference could be much better explained by neurotypical people being Theory-of-Mind blind. That is, while both HFA and neurotypical people possess Theory of Mind, neurotypical people are for some reason unaware that so do all the other people.

In the first example, the bus is full of people. Even if Jim was rotten to the core, he would probably not want to show it when so many people are watching him. Some of them may even know him, so it can be expected that Jim would do what is considered proper regardless of his real character.

ToM aware HFA people therefore conclude that nothing can be learned from this encounter, while ToM blind neurotypical people have no other explanation for Jim’s good behavior and incorrectly conclude it must be because of his good character.

In the second example, HFA Jim is aware of Jenny’s Theory of Mind and expects her to be aware of his, and he expects it to be obvious that the reason why he got her a Band-Aid is that he is aware of, and cares she’s in pain, and expects her to know. However, since neurotypical Jenny is blind to Jim’s ToM, it must be overtly shown; otherwise she wouldn’t know.

So a lot of extra things need to be communicated overtly among neurotypical people to compensate for their ToM blindness, that wouldn’t need to be communicated in a HFA society.

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[Anonymous No.10786955]

>>10786953
In the third example, it is given that grace didn’t know it wasn’t sugar, but her intentions would be impossible to know in real life. She could have actually noticed it wasn’t sugar, but used it anyway, because she secretly hates Mary: and thanks to her ToM, she knows she wouldn’t be blamed. Even if she actually wanted to murder Mary, she would likely wait for an opportunity to make it appear like an accident. Or she could even ask somebody who also hates Mary to misplace the substance or label it as “sugar” herself.

HFA people compensate for this inherent uncertainty of other people’s intentions by placing some degree of blame to situations that appear as accidents. A HFA Grace would in turn feel ashamed for poisoning Mary and blame whoever misplaced the container for putting shame on her, while a neurotypical Grace would likely feel no guilt at all.

It also seems that a lot of neurotypical “social grease” abuses this ToM blindess, which explains why the ToM aware HFA people fail to understand why and how it works. It is therefore not because HFA people have ToM deficits, but the opposite — they fail to understand situations that exploit the ToM blindness of others.

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The more you understand neurotypical people, the less empathy you have with them.

The social games are daunting. They don’t really have friends, they only have (usually temporal) allies they help them to fight others. They want somebody who is good at figuring out the weaknesses of others, can spread rumors against them, or find something that could be used against them.


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[Anonymous No.10786956]

>>10786955
The more you understand neurotypical people, the less empathy you have with them.

The social games are daunting. They don’t really have friends, they only have (usually temporal) allies they help them to fight others. They want somebody who is good at figuring out the weaknesses of others, can spread rumors against them, or find something that could be used against them.

The hints? When you understand the reason people insist on hinting each other is that it allows them to play scripts in front of each other, it turns into ridiculousness. Like, they offer you something, but they hint you you’re supposed to refuse it. Why, you wonder, they do it? Well, there is somebody present or nearby, and they want to look like a good, caring person in front of them, but they obviously also don’t want to lose the cookie for it, so they hope you’re going to “cooperate” and play your part by refusing the cookie. Which makes you an asshole who abused the situation by actually taking the cookie.

I mean, how could you love, or have any sort of empathy other than perhaps feeling pity for something so cartoonish?


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[Anonymous No.10786961]

>>10786956
Perhaps the high point (or low? I don’t know) of their ridiculousness is their honest face game. There is a face they make when they mean what they say. It seems obvious that as a child, their mother scolded them for lying badly, even when they didn’t lie, their mother insisted that she can “see it in their eyes” or something like that. Confused, they tried to figure out what makes their mother believe they are lying when they are in fact not lying, and noticed that others make a specific facial expression when they are telling the truth, so they learned to immitate it, until they got good enough that their mother was willing to believe they are being honest. And since that point in time they are scared to death that others will figure out that they had to learn it and do the face voluntarily (they do, it only exists in western culture) and nobody will ever again believe what they say, so they do everything they can to convince others they actually cannot help it, such as casually lying without making the face in order to convince others they can really see on them if they are telling the truth or not, and keeping the face for times when they actually need to convince somebody of falsehood. And they are too scared and too stupid to realize they all act that and everybody can make the face all the same whether they are telling the truth or not.
>>10786947
What cost? The only cost is harder dealing with normies, but that is because of our superiority, not the other way round.

[Anonymous No.10786992]

>>10786941
and that was only brought forth by autism thus proving my point

[Anonymous No.10787007]

>>10786961
I have been misusing my time, but I will read this later. My guess is you were born in the 90's and are not "severely" autistic. You need to start really looking at what autism is now. It's a long term degenerative disorder and a life of torture. These kids will likely never find peace. What the older generation has allowed to be done to them is a crime beyond words. These kids will have justice when we take this place by the reins.

[Anonymous No.10787012]

>>10787007
And further, we will all have justice. Even all those people who wouldn't listen.

[Solved_Autism No.10787058]

Cultural memory vs. Observational fetishists vs. Systemic validity via inferential logic

>Someone sees someone else being different
>Eventually someone else will justify/validate/codify said observation for normalization purposes
>Law of the Excluded Giving A Fuck

>t.sage<mage

[Anonymous No.10787398]

>>10786951
I read through this whole spheal.

Let's talk the third question about Mary and Grace. Assume that the correct answer was "Grace may have done it intentionally". "Gotcha!" questions are just stupid. In the real world we would all consider that Grace might have done it intentionally, no shit, because in that case Grace is a real character with biological functions and a real mind that very well may have wanted to kill Mary. But in the question, Grace is fictional. Grace is a flat character. The fact that autistic people would not take the question in context shows that they are just socially unaware.

When we create hypothetical scenario, there has to be a suspension of disbelief in order to create a mental world. We always know someone wrote the question and is trying to get an answer out of it. Based on what I read, I assume this question was written by a psychologist for a study in order to gauge something. So I answed simplemindedly based on the information given to me, since Grace is fictional. I don't want to look stupid giving so many details when the writer had nothing like that in mind. If the question had stated "answer as if you are a detective", I would have begun to consider the possibility of intentional murder since the intent of the question seems to be about detecting liars or something.

You see, autistic people lack this awareness. They don't take things in social context, they for the most part see everything objectively. Autism isn't necessarily defined by acting in that special manner everyone sees, it's simply being unable to understand social context. They cannot read that the question given is trying to gauge morality and not hypotheticals. In this case, the question giver likely intentionally made a question about morality to see if autists would begin spouting something unrelated like hypotheticals.

So no, neurotypicals are not heartless. Yes, superficiality has downsides. No, lying is not pure evil.

[Anonymous No.10787425]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10787437]

>>10786744

dubs of probable truth. people end up in accidents or with brain damage from seizures and get these weird - sometimes advantageous adaptations.

[Anonymous No.10787444]

>>10786931

>its not natural

[Anonymous No.10787454]

>>10786951

im autistic and for number 1 i just assumed its because society expects us to make concessions for weak/feeble people. not that id ever give up my seat for anyone kek.

[Anonymous No.10787462]

>>10786879
>It would actually be the opposite of what you have proposed in the picture.
It's not a proposal you retard. That picture's an actual finding with autistic brains. They have less synaptic pruning. Their repetitive behavior and preference for predictable routines is likely a response to being overwhelmed by the amplified signals of unpruned synapses.
https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/children-autism-have-extra-synapses-brain

[Anonymous No.10787467]

>>10787437
Brain damage is not autism though. Regardless of the advantages or disadvantages. You don't develop autism due to brain damage.

[Anonymous No.10787472]

>>10787462

does this mean autist struggle to develop new pathways in their brain? what if an autist got addicted to something then gave it up cold turkey. would he still remain addicted for the rest of his life?

[Anonymous No.10787481]

>>10787467
If it's prenatal and in critical post natal developmental periods, you do.

[Anonymous No.10787484]

>>10787467

what is brain damage? alterations to the structure from an outside force. what is autism? alterations to the structure (deviates from the norm) due to some unknown cause. we still dont know what causes autism but we know already that autism is physical difference in brain structure. infants with autism have more brain volume for example.

[Anonymous No.10787515]

>>10787484
That's literally not the definition of brain damage. I'm not going to argue with you based on a false premise.
>>10787481
We don't know what causes autism. How are you going to claim you can pinpoint where and when autism develops?

[Anonymous No.10787526]

>>10787515

You seem like you're just trying to skirt around the fact that viruses have been linked to autism.

>Prenatal viral infection has been called the principal non-genetic cause of autism. Prenatal exposure to rubella or cytomegalovirus activates the mother's immune response and may greatly increase the risk for autism in mice. Congenital rubella syndrome is the most convincing environmental cause of autism.

Next you're going to tell me that giving children a hundred vaccines in a short space of time has no effect on them.

[Anonymous No.10787538]

>>10787526
First off chill out with the strawman arguments. No where did I say
Vaccines have no effect. So how about you either discuss this like an adult or suck my dick. Second from your very own source.

>Manycauses of autismhave been proposed, but understanding of thetheory of causationofautismand the otherautism spectrumdisorders (ASD) is incomplete.[1]Research indicates that genetic factors predominate. Theheritability of autism, however, is complex, and it is typically unclear which genes are involved.

It's PROPOSED viruses are linked to autism. There is no actual proof viruses cause autism. In that same wiki page it says that maternal obesity is also linked to autism. So is maternal diabetes, so is maternal malnutrition. The simple fact of the matter is that we do not know what causes autism, because correlation is not causation and any attempt of your retarded ass to strawman otherwise is disingenuous and fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.10787557]

>>10787515
>We don't know what causes autism. How are you going to claim you can pinpoint where and when autism develops?
Autism is caused by prenatal exposure to unnatural non-ionizing radiation, our barbaric birthing procedures, and vaccines. Whether the child makes it depends on their exact exposure parameters and ability to manage toxic load.

[Anonymous No.10787565]

>>10787557
Source?

[Anonymous No.10787577]

>>10787565
Non-trivial. Look into mitochondrial collapse, evaluate the rest individually (early clamping, pitocin, vitamin K, breaking the water manually use of forceps and vacuum bbullshit), refer to Timothy Syndrome and the 5G thread for more on the microwaves.

Let me guess, wah wah, bullshit excuse, no I won't read. Well fuck ya then, tbqh.

[Anonymous No.10787578]

>>10787462
>>10786916

Yes they have less pruning yes but there have also been findings of their synapses being more locally clustered with less long reaching bridging axons. Which would suggest perhaps an inability to bridge ideas that are generally less connected.

Trying to directly correlate these with behavior may be a step too far but in general if you've ever worked with autistic children that anon is right. They get stuck in thinking patterns and behaviors and trying to fight them into seeing other views makes them uncomfortable and violent in some cases.

[Anonymous No.10787584]

THEY CLAMP.
THEY VACCINATE.

[Anonymous No.10787592]

>>10787578
>and violent in some cases.
Well I'll just have to restrain them then, put that kid in his place!! He needs to learn!
>:^|

[Anonymous No.10787595]

>>10787592
Generally you do restrain them in a heavy slightly tight jacket because it comforts them. Even as adults many autistic individuals keep and use one on themselves.

[Anonymous No.10787599]

>>10787595
I'll beat him instead. Dumb kid what's wrong with you!

[Anonymous No.10787601]

>>10786738
No, considering the fact that autistic adults are often unable to survive on their own

[Anonymous No.10787635]

>>10787577
>post a source
>No, look into mitochondrial collapse
Ok, I did. It says it generally leads to hypoxic brain injury. I don't really believe that to be true, citing this article
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022395614000922
While hypoxic brain injury did lead to an increase of ASD in males, it didn't show too much of a correlation in females. That seems strange that females would be more resistant to hypoxia induced autism.
I also looked into pitocin as well. While I did find some articles that supported a link to autism, I also found articles that found no link to autism.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12757361

So here I am, looking into your bullshit and you can't actually provide me a link. While I can provide 2, that state the exact opposite of what you're saying. So here we are back to my point in that we don't know what causes autism, we can only correlate certain factors. I don't know why I have to keep telling you downey idiots that correlation is not causation.

[Anonymous No.10787702]

>>10787635
You're not synthesizing, you're looking at them in isolation. Pitocin you're not going to readily find data on because it;s not chemical injury, it's mechanical. It's altered hemodynamics int he mother and infant, along with using the infant's head as a battering ram.

>That seems strange that females would be more resistant to hypoxia induced autism.
It's not strange at all, it's expected. Females have the protection of higher levels of estrogens, which are strong antioxidants that also directly downregulate neuronal apoptosis. Males do not have this, also lack developed blood brain barriers for longer, and are in general much more sensitive to stressors in early life.

It's the microwaves, at its core.

[Anonymous No.10787783]

>>10786931
>not natural
Top kek m8

[Anonymous No.10787795]

>>10787783
No Anon YOU are a KEK.

[Anonymous No.10787801]

Autism gives you the best powers of perception.
Chinese people have the most autism and they work the hardest

[Anonymous No.10787917]

Yes, in today's world generalists are useless. The autistic laser focus on topics frees them from distractions of the modern world.

[Anonymous No.10787946]

>>10787398
No you are wrong. That is not social awareness, that's being unjust because you like the person or not. Which you admit by saying that autistic people see things objectively as if it was a bad thing.

Yes, you are heartless. The problem is, how do judge someone character if not by their actions? Let's say you have two people. One builds their good character by publicly doing things that are good, and their otherwise ambiguous actiosn are always excused and their good character is reinforced despite not really deserving it. The other one gets falsely accused and their perceived character turns into downward spiral, as all their ambiguous (or even under all reasonable circumstances neutral or good) actions are interpreted as intentionally malicious. Essentially you use their "character" to judge people's actions which are then used to create said cahracter, so even the tiniest event may have life ruining effects over time.

Yes, you are hearless, violent and unjust.

[Anonymous No.10787947]

>>10786738
Autism is fucking awful.

[Anonymous No.10787961]

>>10786754

Loss of advantages doesn't necessarily mean it's not a next evolutionary step.

[Anonymous No.10787965]

>>10786816
Kek

[Anonymous No.10787969]

>>10787454
Yes, that is a common answer. i woudl give up the seat though.
>>10787462
It's mroe likely the lack of hedonic treadmil, rather than anytihng else. Not getting "overwhelmed", autistic people have a lot of extra processing power if anything.
>>10787472
It's more not randomly losing the pathways. Autistic people almost never get addicted to anything.
>>10787484
Brain damage is brain damage. Having a bigger brain or more synapses is not brain damage.
>>10787557
nonsense
>>10787578
Yes, they are more locally clustered and there is better compartmentalization of processing (i.e. hearing doesn't influence what you hear etc. the way it does in neurotypical people) as the result.

Neurotypical people cannot argue. Using emotions won't work, you need to explain your views, which is something that 99% neurotypical people cannot do.
>>10787595

This is a very cruel joke.
>>10787801
True.

[Anonymous No.10788065]

>>10787969
Clamped, vaccinated, irradiated.

[Anonymous No.10788167]

>>10786916

>The more "high IQ genes" you have, the more likely oyu are to become autistic. It's simply being too smart (or perhaps rational) among moreons.

What a sentence.

[Temporality_ No.10788186]

>>10786916
Just wondering, have you ever been in the field with these kids? Maybe adults?

[Anonymous No.10788331]

No
Most autists are literal retards
The high-functioning ones are rarely able to cooperate. Survivor bias makes you think they are all overachievers, when in fact just a tiny little fraction of them amount to something.
There are far more highly intelligent non-autistic people around than well adjusted autists.

[Anonymous No.10788336]

>>10788331
Which is why Bill Gates and other UN agenda 21 supports push vaccines and wireless. They want to sterilize and cripple these kids so they can be enslaved.

[Anonymous No.10788341]

>>10788186
Yes.
>>10788331
Nonsense. It's almost always the others who sabotage the cooperation with autistic people. There are now even studies proving it.

[Anonymous No.10788453]

>>10786931
>Autism is not natural. They are doing things to these kids. This is being done TO people, and it's not a good thing. What started it was radar.

[Anonymous No.10788492]

>>10786751
>ad hominem: the post
In what any implications of OP's post result is irrelevant. Your entire comment is nothing but what you think the implications could mean. It's irrelevant if not explicitly made relevant, which you've failed at spectacularly. kys

[Anonymous No.10788620]

>>10787526
>autism in mice

[Solivagus, Sage of Signals & S(...) No.10788633]

Autism is my gift to people who want to stop being the bitch of anyone older than them, parents/teachers/leaders and any bullshit scientist/mathematician/spiritual leader.

>Gift from God, to all who worshipped or kekked at the frog!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4OhbzSFpnk

[Anonymous No.10788637]

>>10788331
Suck my dick, faggot! I have four master degrees. One in logic, one in astro physics, one in molecular biology and one in fucking your mother in her dirty shitty ass!

[Solivagus, Sage of Signals & S(...) No.10788640]

>>10788637
I am the master of the arc minute, your argument is INVALID!

[Anonymous No.10789283]

>>10786816
Kek

[Anonymous No.10789297]

Until we have the tehcnilogy, where single people can have kids with an artificial womb and a donor egg, there's not going to be much of an evolution to autism.

[Anonymous No.10789677]

>>10786738
autism is a primitive brain. not a more advanced one. It's why autists can't handle large stimulation like what you find in big modern cities.

[Anonymous No.10789722]

>>10786738
yes, the superior man will stink, eat the same food and play with legos everyday.

[Anonymous No.10789794]

>>10789677
Nonsense. It's basically the brain too domesticated for its own good. (at the current time)

I developed a technique for overcoming the sensory sensitivity, it comes from attention working differently in autists than in neurotypical people, autistic people generally seem to agree it works.

>>10789722
If you odn't give them anything better to do then probably yes, but that is a totally extreme case. If you are treated like a retard your whole life you become one.

[Anonymous No.10789799]

>>10789794
autists need to cope with sensory overstimulation while normies thrive in it

[Anonymous No.10789802]

>>10789677
false. autism is actually a reptile part of the brain which causes the autist aversion to cities

[Anonymous No.10789813]

>>10789802
Reptile = primitive brain

[Temporality_ No.10789844]

>>10787472
<Does this mean autists struggle to develop new pathways in their brain?
Yes, Autistic children and adults can have trouble adopting new ideas. With help from someone who is knowledgeable about Autism treatment,
young-ish children can learn to be more "normal" and be less ridged.

>Would they remain addicted to it their entire lives?
Yes and no. I can't say I've met very many elderly people with high functioning Autism, but I can tell you about one I DID meet.

He was about 70-80 years old and was obsessed with trains. Someone who hasn't met a lot of Autistic people in their life would probably think he was normal. He knew everything about trains, what model of train was invented by who, how the engines worked, and all the train stations he had visited since he was a kid.

So, yes. For this particular case But I'm sure there are some people with Autism that move on to different things throughout their lives.

[Temporality_ No.10789850]

>>10789799
People with Autism can feel under stimulated as well. It depends on the person.

[Anonymous No.10789852]

>>10789813
Wrong

[Anonymous No.10789860]

>>10789799
>normies thrive in it

No they don't. But if people don't want to be bothered with things that normies often experience as sensory overstimulation (such as listening to extreme metal) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPKGyYzPCo it's seen as perfectly reasonable not to want to be bothered with it. When it's something that bothers autistic people, it's seen as aboslutely unreasonable not to want it.

Second problem, and which is how the problem can be solved in atistic people, is that autsitic brains prioritize information in a kind of opposite way than neurotypical people do, and the more you try to ignore it or focus on something else, the more unbearable it becomes. But when autistic people are instructed and allowed to focus on the distractions instead, they stop being a problem.

[Solivagus, Sage of Signals & S(...) No.10789861]

It's like nobody understands that Autism 'was' the next step in evolution.

> Autismo智能活性炭

[Solivagus, Sage of Signals & S(...) No.10789866]

Meaning that it is an empty variable for GOD OF TIME to define.

Autism: An unmeasurable reaction between glial cells that increase neuronal activity in this order :: I.Q. -> S.Q. -> E.Q.

Intelligence Quotient
Signal Quotient
Expression Quotient

>+1 to all the autism in the WORLD!

I accept, embrace, and become the responsible champion required.

[Anonymous No.10789895]

>>10788341
>Nonsense. It's almost always the others who sabotage the cooperation with autistic people. There are now even studies proving it.
Got a link? I've had this happen a lot.

[Anonymous No.10789931]

>>10789895
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5286449/

[Anonymous No.10790246]

>>10786738
you wish.

[Anonymous No.10790258]

>>10789866
>we need acceptance
>white person

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.10790273]

>>10788331

>There are far more highly intelligent non-autistic people around than well adjusted autists.

isn't that quite obvious you moron? autist are like what, 2% of the population?

[Anonymous No.10790274]

>>10787969

if that's the case then it might explain why i was able to cold turkey cigarettes without any struggle whatsoever. on the other hand, i was severely addicted to WoW as a teenager.

[Anonymous No.10790278]

>>10789931

proof that neurotypicals are scum of the earth and us autist should never help them when they are in trouble. autist should sabotage normies wherever possible.

[Anonymous No.10790307]

>>10790273
Yeah, but I'm saying that because it's not just a matter of non-autists outnumbering autists. Smart people who can cooperate are a far more valuable asset than narrow-thinking, barely functional robots who every now and then are a capable of creating something of value.
Autism is mostly a handicap, not an edge. It's great that a few can turn that into their strength, but they are not representative of the whole autistic population.
The next step of human evoution is not an autist, but someone who has
>discipline
>drive
>a high IQ
>social skills enough to do teamwork

[Anonymous No.10790315]

>>10786738
>autistic
>not the smart kind
>dont understand image without context

does it mean that autists have alternative thought patterns that we can "connect" points A B and C but also have subroutine thoughts that connect D E and F and correlate them to B and C?

Do we think better than normies do? But as an autist i know my logic is flawed because im perceiving through the eyes of an autistic brain. Just because we can think more diversely doesnt make us better at rationalizing.

[Solivagus, Sage of Signals & S(...) No.10790325]

الحرب على الأنماط العصبية الثنائية!

[Anonymous No.10790326]

>>10786738
LOL FUCK NO. Look at all the autists that flock to these threads trying to assert some atmosphere of superiority. Autistic people can be extremely gifted, but their emotional development is so stunted it's beyond cringe. Humanity's progress is dependent on our ability to co-exist peacefully with one another. This requires emotional development. Autistic people just flat out reject emotional development in favor of organizing and getting shit done. Very useful and valuable things. But not nearly as useful and valuable as the bonds people share with one another. No emotional development=no bonds.

I'm pretty sure i'm on the spectrum somewhere. I've hated humanity since the age of 12 and have wished for it's end to take place during my lifetime so i could witness it and enjoy it. I was lucky enough to have a father that loved me regardless of how i was. That was enough to stop me from deteriorating into complete mental illness over not being able to figure out a way to save humanity from itself.

I'm 29 and my emotional development is still taking place. It's a fucking embarrassment. But i feel like i've grown to recognize that everyone is stunted emotionally in 1 way or another. Working on this shit is cringe. Talking about this shit is cringe. But emotions themselves are the next step in evolution. Emotional energy. I don't fucking know man it's fucking cringe but there is magic in emotion.

[Anonymous No.10790401]

>>10786744
Enraged normalfag projects his emotions discreetly, trying to act professional so that the lessers will believe his post because he was severely owned by an autist at one point in his life so he feels the need to categorize the non-disabling factors generally as damage to satisfy his ego and superiority complex.

[Anonymous No.10790449]

>>10788336
Or perhaps he sees the advantages of not dying of a preventable disease and ubiquitous availability of the world’s most significant repository of knowledge?

But I guess the slave thing also makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10790491]

>>10790401
yikes

[Anonymous No.10790644]

>>10790307
Nonsense.
Drive is needed in the normie world of unbearable normie twats who will do everything to make you fail instead of cooperating. same with the so called "social skills". Nobody has time for both social skills and working. Normies use up all their brain power on their ability to outwit each other. Which is completely pointless as it's a zero sum game. Why should I be your friend if your favorite pastime is trying to prove you can bullshit me?

>>10790326
Same as above. The normie's idea of "emotional development" is being an unbearable twat and enjoying the twattiness of others instead of getting upset by it.

[Anonymous No.10790648]

>>10786738
Yes

[Anonymous No.10790702]

>>10790315
>>10790326
You see, you cannot just ask X you need them somewhere because you want them to introduce to Y who could help them with Z. No, you need to manipulate both twats to go to the same place and hope that they "accidentally" meet each other and twat X manipulates twat Y into deciding to do Z for him. Absolutely ridiculous waste of time jsut so that the twats feel free.

[Anonymous No.10790725]

>>10790702
Even flirting mainly involves twisting her words so that it seems she's talking about fucking when she doesn't. (they say things that can be twisted that way on purpose if they are willing) Absolutely disgusting.

[Anonymous No.10790773]

>>10789860
Normies dont mind metal as long as its popular. You know metal used to be popular in the 80s and every normie listened to it.

[Anonymous No.10791166]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10791191]

>>10786738
Autism doesnt exist. Its a term made up by jewish doctors to pacify goyim who are losers in real life, making sure they stay losers by making excuses for their pathetic behaviour that others *have* accept (because not accepting autism will surely will be considered some intolerant -ism, and no one wants to lose their job, their social media blocked and even their bank account closed over some pathetic losers)

[Anonymous No.10791193]

>>10786738

[Anonymous No.10791246]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10791274]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10792164]

>>10786738
>Is autism the next stage of human evolution?

hyperintelligence WAS, but since jews started using mecrury in the water wells, intelligent goyim have been effected by a sort of "Death Aura ascribable to no single nation I swear to your God."

[Anonymous No.10792166]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10792174]

>>10792164
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YST4JRZN-yk

CIA = Mossad = Little Bitch

[Anonymous No.10792382]

>>10792174

[Anonymous No.10792657]

>>10791191

Back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.10792658]

>>10790307

>>discipline
>>drive
>>a high IQ

Which HFAs have and most normies dont.

But yeah not offending people is more important in the modern age (sarcasm). This would've been important when we lived in very small communities of 1-5 families but not anymore. HFAs are the future.

[Anonymous No.10792688]

Yeah autism is the next step, even physically, autists are better suited, they withstand colder and hotter natural temperatures, have better senses
And I suspect they have a better metabolism than normies for building muscle, storing or losing fat

[Anonymous No.10792757]

>>10786738
r8

[Anonymous No.10792763]

>>10786738
yes

[Anonymous No.10792781]

What can I do too increase the chances of my children being autistic? I'll vaccinate them for sure, but any other ideas? Like anything prenatal?

[Anonymous No.10793291]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10793333]

>>10792781
wait until you are older to have them. My dad waited till he was 40 to have me

[Anonymous No.10793343]

>>10786822
Please for the love of god wake up

[Anonymous No.10793401]

>>10786738
Nah sorry Anon, you're just acoustic and dying a virgin will not make you the next stage of human evolution.

[Anonymous No.10793437]

>>10792781
Vaccinate and antibiotics.

[Anonymous No.10793442]

>>10792781
Vaccinate and antibiotics. But remember you can kill the kid with antibiotics after vaccinate

[Anonymous No.10793544]

>>10792781
Have your children when you are older seems to do the trick.

[Anonymous No.10793565]

>>10793333
>>10793544
correlation != causation

[Anonymous No.10793723]

>>10793565
Given that older fathers may not have autism and still have autistic children, what alternative hypotheses do you have?

[Anonymous No.10793888]

>>10793723
Autistic men tend to become fathers later in life.

[Anonymous No.10793955]

>>10793888
I thought autistic men never got married.
Two of my colleagues have autistic children but are not autists themselves. A few of my other colleagues appear autistic and never married.

[Anonymous No.10793957]

>>10793955
There are tons of high-functioning autists who were well socialized from a young age and never get diagnosed.

[Anonymous No.10793969]

[Anonymous No.10793971]

>>10792688
neanderthal DNA ;)

[Anonymous No.10793987]

>>10793971
It seems that autism coudl be the lack of neanderthal DNA, if anything. To domesticated for our won good.

[Anonymous No.10794603]

>>10786738
no

[Anonymous No.10794630]

Nope, high-IQ primary psychopathy

[Anonymous No.10794652]

Behold, the next stage of human evolution.

[Anonymous No.10794664]

>>10794630
nah low iq clannish parasitism will conquer everything

[Anonymous No.10794691]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10794703]

>>10794664
Low iq clannish parasites are the toys psychopaths collect and pretend-fight each other with

[Anonymous No.10795096]

>>10793987
In that case Africa should be full of autists and Europe hardly have any. Reality is the opposite.

[Anonymous No.10795102]

>>10794703
Not possible when there’s billions of them and they have nukes

[Anonymous No.10795106]

>>10794703
Cryptokikes are cowardliest of cowards. They should be executed.

[Anonymous No.10795198]

>>10795096
It isn't the opposite. In fact the "neurotypcial" genotype may only be common in Europe.

[Anonymous No.10795205]

>>10795096
>>10795198
Basically, the majority of Europeans have neanderthal brains and those who don't are called "autistic", but the phenotype is otherwise perfectly normal. Look at Eminem, for example.

[Anonymous No.10795283]

>>10786816
c-c-c-combo breaker

[Anonymous No.10795329]

>>10795283
You all come to a board related to science but have no idea how anything you talk about even works. Autism is a side effect of our modern technologies and while it has it's benefits, it's neither the superior nor next step in thinking. To reap the true benefits of intelligence is to understand what the significant issues are and without a mindset that can perceive the social implications and understand them, you're only progressing the standards of one particular field rather than understanding the outcomes effects.

[Anonymous No.10795364]

>>10786738
Listen to Martin Shrekli's talk with Destiny about this. Most people with autism have an IQ of 70. While there certainly are high-functioning autism spectrum individuals they a very small minority of the overall population.

[Anonymous No.10795382]

>>10795329
nonsense

[Anonymous No.10795398]

>>10795382
what you say is nonsense because you make no meaningful claims. I speak entirely about those who are truly gifted and autistic where they function particularly well in one topic and obsess over that topic. Any advancements they make is not because they would like to benefit the state of humanity but simply to appeal to their obsession. Being on the spectrum has next to no benefits unless you're "gifted" but those gifted are not all that concerned with exterior variables

[Anonymous No.10795418]

>>10789799
What you fail to realize about autism is the fact that autism isn't just one static neurological condition, it's a rather complex diagnosis where there are plentiful of traits that all nuance to various degrees. True, tendency of overstimulation is a trait found very commonly in people diagnosed with autism, but it by no means is a distinct feature found in all autists. Same goes for basically every other trait associated with autism.

[Anonymous No.10795452]

>>10786738
is that picture trying to imply that autism sufferers are jewish?

[Anonymous No.10795461]

>>10786751
>being this autistic

[Anonymous No.10795467]

>>10787425
>>10787965
>>10789283
>>10791166
>>10791246
>>10791274
>>10792166
>>10793291
>>10794691
>samefag is samefag

[Anonymous No.10795472]

>>10795398
I'm not trying to make claims, I'm just contradicting what you wrote, which cannot be properly refuted becaues it's philozophical/shcizotypal nonsense, in addition to you having no idea what autism actually is. Autistic people have trouble dealing with normies, because of the diferenece of how they form beliefs. It seems that normies have some kind of defect in determining what data are meaningful and what are irrelevant, so they tend to form beliefs of unjustified certainty based on inadequate data.

[Anonymous No.10795489]

>>10795398
I'm not trying to make claims, I'm just contradicting what you wrote, which cannot be properly refuted becaues it's philocophical/schizotypal nonsense, in addition to you having no idea what autism actually is. Autistic people have trouble dealing with normies, because of the diferenece of how they form beliefs. It seems that normies have some kind of defect in determining what data are meaningful and what is irrelevant, so they tend to form beliefs of unjustified certainty based on inadequate data.

[Anonymous No.10795537]

>>10795489
>It seems that normies have some kind of defect in determining what data are meaningful and what is irrelevant, so they tend to form beliefs of unjustified certainty based on inadequate data
Lol literal NPCs.

[Anonymous No.10795971]

>>10786738
Look up the correlation between autism and neanderthal brain structure, in case it hasn't already been mentioned.

[Anonymous No.10796020]

>>10795971
what is this new fad? As I replied before, it there is any, it must be the opposite and neurotypical people are more neanderthal.

[Anonymous No.10796058]

>>10790644
Do you even know what "drive" means? Everyone needs it.
And social skills are mandatory, and they don't mean outwitting other people all the time. If you weren't so self-righteous, you would realize that. I mean, we went to the fucking moon through cooperation. You can't do that kind of shit locked in a room doing obsessive math/programming.

>>10792658
Hyperfocus =! Discipline and drive
I'm not autistic and I have OCD. In my teens I devised an algorithm for calendrical calculations in my head. I am now able to effortlessly say the day of the week of any given date between 1800 and 2100 in miliseconds (I theoretically could do it for any date, but I have a life and goals to achieve). I amounted to that through hyperfocus, but not discipline. I still procrastinate the fuck out of any task I'm given and do average in college (my major isn't even hard btw).
Discipline is doing something everyday regardless of whether you feel obsessed with that thing or not. Only very few HFAs can rely solely on their hyperfocus. At some point they need to do the work and won't feel like it, but they'll have to. That's why everyone needs discipline, to maintain a stable output.

[Anonymous No.10796090]

>>10796058
Wrong. You need "drive" because you need to push yourself into social groups, take the bullshitting and random insults with a smile, show others you can bullshit and randomly insult them too them too (so that you are not "boring"), cooperate or coerce others to cooperate with you and everything that makes socializing with normies total pain in the ass.

Meanwhile, with autists you don't need drive, because everybody will cooperate willingly if the'll see the cooperation makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10796099]

>>10796058
Wrong. You need "drive" because you need to push yourself into social groups, take the bullshitting and random insults with a smile, show others you can bullshit and randomly insult them too (so that you are not "boring"), convince or coerce others to cooperate with you and quickly determine who is whose enemy so that you don't accidentaly "betray" someone. Everything that is a total pain in the ass because normies are uncooperative by default.

Meanwhile, with autists you don't need drive, because everybody will cooperate willingly if the'll see the cooperation makes sense.

[Anonymous No.10796276]

>>10795489
>it's philocophical/schizotypal nonsense
How can you argue that the things I say are "schizotypal" when you say almost the exact same thing only directed towards "normies"? Why does it take you using a generalized insult towards both myself and normal minded people in order to suffice your point? Of course normal minded people are prone to following beliefs rather than just logic and data, but you seem to continuously be missing my point that having social awareness and the ability to determine what is significant to the majority is what makes a difference in what will effectively be considered useful to the majority. I see you making the same arguments towards dozens of people with your rude "nonesense" comments which only leads me to think you're either rude or extremely autistic because no one's going to agree with you if you're initial response is to insult them. Continue feeling superior to "normies" because of a dysfunctional mind though.

[Anonymous No.10796288]

>>10796276
It's nonsense because you're wrong. I don't have the slightest problem determining what would be the most significant (anti-aging research), it's the normies who babble some nonsense about "fulfilled life".

[Anonymous No.10796300]

>>10786816
...kek

[Anonymous No.10796308]

>>10786738
>evolution
Not science or math

[Anonymous No.10796328]

>>10796276
I don't have the slightest problem determining what would be the most significant (anti-aging research), it's the normies who babble some nonsense about "fulfilled life".

[Anonymous No.10796931]

>>10786738
How about schizophrenia then? Both conditions share a lot of similarities.

[Anonymous No.10796937]

>>10796931
they don’t

[Anonymous No.10797021]

>>10796328
Clamped, CIRCUMCISED...
Vaccinated.

[Anonymous No.10797280]

>>10786738
>Be autistic
>Will never pass my genes on because I'm an autistic shithead

If I'm the next step in Evolution, Mother Nature is a fucking retard or suicidal.

[Anonymous No.10797296]

>>10787969
I'm addicted to pornography though.

[Anonymous No.10797328]

>>10797296
Many autistic people have hypersexuality and paraphilias/sexual deviance:

>Like nonaffected adults, individuals with autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) show the entire range of sexual behaviors. However, due to the core symptoms of the disorder spectrum, including deficits in social skills, sensory hypo- and hypersensitivities, and repetitive behaviors, some ASD individuals might develop quantitatively above-average or nonnormative sexual behaviors and interests.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5789215/

[Anonymous No.10797357]

>>10797328
Well, I have thought about fucking since I was a wee lad and I'm pretty degenerate in fetishes.

[Anonymous No.10797358]

>nobody here has read this book

[Anonymous No.10797366]

>>10797358
What a bunch of badcock.

[Anonymous No.10797596]

>>10796931
Schizophrenia is basically the opposite of autism.

[Anonymous No.10797737]

>>10797596
The opposite of autism is dyslexia

[Anonymous No.10797740]

>>10786738
No. Autists are retarded. Even within domains they are supposed to be good within they are incapable of the variable modes of thought required for actual innovation. When it comes down to it, they're simply incompetent.

[Anonymous No.10797753]

>>10786738
No, for the simple reason that we don't get to have sex and breed. We're cursed to an existence of eternal damnation. Being autistic is having fucked up in your life and now existing in Hell. Autism is the ultimate cruelty of God.

[Anonymous No.10797769]

>>10797358
cock

[Anonymous No.10797903]

>>10797737
I cannot really agree.
Bottom up, true, that is the epitome of autism.

Detail oriented, well, it's true that autsits are better at perceiving detail, but it's not at the cost of coherence - in fact many autistis are capabale of near instant visual search, a feat of extreme holism, and about one half is capable of hearing more than one voice at a time. So it's more like more badnwth being available somewhere, rather than bias towards detail. The real problem comes that normies don't explain themselves in enough detail or are not specific enough concerning to what they're talking about, which makes it impossible to fit it into context, because the context available to autists is too wide. The weak coherence theory has been widely disputed.

[Anonymous No.10797980]

I hate autists

[Anonymous No.10798002]

>>10797737
In autistic people, the cerebellum is connected equally to both hemispheres, and both into the frontal areas and the sensory areas.

Nerurotypical cerebellum is apparently too weak to drive the whole brain and the body, so it eventually severess the connections to the right hemisphere and the centrally areas, and instead the cerebellum only controls the right side of the body and the left hemisphere, while the right hemisphere does nothing useful and instead produces their voices, intuition and autopilot. When this switch occurs after puberty, the person has no way of adapting to this state thet they see as clearly abnormal and the result is psychosis.

[Anonymous No.10798015]

>>10786738
No U

[Anonymous No.10798228]

>>10796931
>>10796937
>>10797596
nonduality

[Anonymous No.10798235]

>>10795096
maybe they ate all the autists

[Anonymous No.10798300]

>>10796099
You are either trolling or you really have no clue about how social groups work.
You are so jaded that you're literally blind to the obviousness of the need for cooperation to advance mankind.

[Anonymous No.10798313]

>>10798300
Are you serious? I said that cooperation woudl be much easier if everybody was autistic and you tell me I'm oblivious to the need of cooperation? Cooperation is extremely difficult becuase normies mostly cooperate agianst other normies and are generally unwilling to cooperate for mutual benefit, except as a reward for cooperating against somebody else.

[Anonymous No.10798324]

>>10798313
>cooperation easier if everyone was autistic
>autism being literally the lack of communication skills and empathy
Yeah, I'm sure it would be easier to interact if everyone were unable to quickly detect if their reactions would be appropriate and put themselves in other people's shoes.
Plus, grunting is a clearly a way more effective way of communicating than speaking in full sentences.

[Anonymous No.10798339]

>>10798324
Yes, it would be easier if you didn't have to deal with the psycho reactions of normies and their constant need to compete over every bullshit issue.

[Anonymous No.10798350]

>>10798324
Yes, it would be easier if you didn't have to deal with the psycho reactions of normies and their constant need to compete over every trivial issue.

[Anonymous No.10798360]

>>10790401
wew, nice projection. I wonder how you deducted all of that

[Anonymous No.10798365]

>>10798324
>Grunting
Could be developed into a means of communication between autistic people.

[Anonymous No.10798403]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10798410]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10798459]

>>10798350
Spoken as someone who has not analyzed other people's reactions beyond a superficial level.
It's the autists who throw tantrums for the most inane reasons possible.

Also
>competition
>a bad thing
Competitiveness is a trait unrelated to autism. A lot of normies feel threatened by it too.
It may not be your cup of tea, but competitiveness is a drive for many people. As long as people don't take it to an extreme and start fucking eachother up, it's as valid as "searching for knowledge" or equivalents.

>>10798365
Maybe they could systematize each grunt, concatenate multiple grunts in sequence or create nuanced grunts to convey broader and deeper meaning in a simple manner.

[Anonymous No.10798468]

>>10786816
kek

[Anonymous No.10798470]

>>10798459
>Spoken as someone who has not analyzed other people's reactions beyond a superficial level.
No. It's just incredibly hard to predict people's reactions if they differ from your own; putting yourself into somebody's shoes doesn't help - I would not get insulted/threatened/whatever in your situation, which makes it impossible to figure out why you do (and you refuse to tell me).

It is the normies abysmal language capabilities that are the problem, not the other way round.

[Anonymous No.10798497]

>>10786816
Кeк

[Anonymous No.10798509]

>>10798470
It's usually not that hard, and I say that as a socially crippled non-autist. It's true that there are things that offend other people that do not offend me, but as a non-autist I can pick it easily and quickly calculate whether something is appropriate or not.
If you can weaponize your autism, that's great and you most definitely will outperform normies, but we can't have a society in which no one is able to read eachother's emotions and have self-control because they are too busy processing the tidal wave of stimuli that they feel all the time.

[Anonymous No.10798525]

What are your opinions on people diagnosed with autism who aren't actually autists? I am such a person. I think I've stopped making eye contact with people in direct conversations after highschool due to a shift to living on the internet and it spiraled down from there.

[Anonymous No.10798536]

>>10798002
Can you link me to more info on this?

[Anonymous No.10798573]

>>10798509
>It's true that there are things that offend other people that do not offend me, but as a non-autist I can pick it easily and quickly calculate whether something is appropriate or not.

How do you calculate that, if those behaviors don't matter to you? And why are you socially crippled if you can do that?

>>10798536
I think these could be relevant: https://www.sciencealert.com/people-with-autism-have-more-symmetrical-brains-new-scans-reveal

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4633503/

[Anonymous No.10798612]

>>10798509
>>10798573
Anyway, I'm pretty sure it isn't what I do or say, it's more that people misinterpret something random as something offensive or inappropriate. I.e. it's what people "read between lines", rather than something I actually do.

[Anonymous No.10798631]

>>10786804
So, A Deepness In The Sky?

[Anonymous No.10798634]

>>10786738
but autists dont reproduce, do they?

[Anonymous No.10798637]

>>10798573
>How do you calculate that?
They don't have to matter to me. I simply store this information in my memory and contextualize it in a given situation so I can interact well with people.

>How are you socially crippled then?
I said that it USUALLY isn't that hard, but it can get at times. Even the most social, extroverted people can eventually struggle with that. The same way a high IQ mathematician might struggle to solve a tough problem, a smooth talking chad also might struggle to read someone. Regardless of if they are autists or normies, people are hard, man! It's just that normies can navigate through day-to-day shallow interactions without causing trouble while autists can't.

It gets nasty for me at the deeper levels of interaction. As I'm naturally introverted and have isolated myself in my teens, there are nuances that I don't pick to this day, specially regarding girls.
Everywhere I go people call me weird, and I know superficially that it is because I can act weirdly at times and because of my specific, boring interests. But I can't really tell you every single time I'm being weird. I just try to keep it under control so it doesn't harm my relationships. I'm okay with it because if I can keep it at a certain level I'm just the quirky guy but not an unpleasant person to be around. Plus, I can actually leverage this to be my trademark and get people's attention when I have to.

[Anonymous No.10798645]

>>10786738
Autism is a developmental disorder.

[Anonymous No.10798677]

>>10798637
>They don't have to matter to me. I simply store this information in my memory and contextualize it in a given situation so I can interact well with people.

No idea what it means and how it's supposed to help me. I don't think that normies even understand contex as such, but they interpret messages depending on who says them, i.e. the same thing can be understood completely differently depending on who says it, but context as such doesn't really matter. I think that people even try to gather information about people beofore they first meet them in order to interpret what they are saying.

According to that description, you are definitely autistic as well.

[Anonymous No.10798678]

>>10786953
>>10786955
>>10786956
>>10786961
>all NT are the same
>only aspies can see social situations logically
>btw aspies are the only ones who understand everyone else
anon...

[Anonymous No.10798708]

>>10798677
>No idea what it means and how it's supposed to help me
When you do arithmetics in your head, don't you break the full operations into multiple operations that you already know beforehand? (like you can say that 27×3 is the same as 3×3×9 = 9×9 = 81) It's the same thing. The same way you select specific operations according to the calculation you want to do, you can remember of a given word or phrase and see if it offends the other person in relation to how they present themselves.

>I don't think that normies even understand contex as such, but they interpret messages depending on who says them, i.e. the same thing can be understood completely differently depending on who says it, but context as such doesn't really matter. I think that people even try to gather information about people beofore they first meet them in order to interpret what they are saying.
This is literally contextualizing. You adjust meaning according to your setting and the people you're interacting with.

>According to that description, you are definitely autistic as well.
My experienced psychiatrist doesn't say so. And I have actually had an autistic friend once. Although we were very alike, at many situations I could see him miss really obvious stuff and get in trouble for that. I tried an explain the logic behind what people meant to him, but he simply wouldn't get. It was like trying to explain colors to a blind man.

[Anonymous No.10798745]

>>10798708
>When you do arithmetics in your head, don't you break the full operations into multiple operations that you already know beforehand? (like you can say that 27×3 is the same as 3×3×9 = 9×9 = 81) It's the same thing.

I don't see how it's in any way relevant to that.

> The same way you select specific operations according to the calculation you want to do, you can remember of a given word or phrase and see if it offends the other person in relation to how they present themselves.

I don't see how I would do that without limiting myself to a specific set fo phrases, but it wouldn't work anyway because as I said, the same phrase may have completely different meaning depending on who says it to whom.

>This is literally contextualizing.

No it isn't. Context is in what situation something is said. The identity of the participants cannot matter, the same phrase must have the same meaning reagrdless of who says it to whom. The appropriatness of the resulting messqage may differ, but the meaning can not. Communication would be impossible otherwise.

> I tried an explain the logic behind what people meant to him, but he simply wouldn't get. It was like trying to explain colors to a blind man.

That is the problem. Sometimes a certain phrase may have completely random meaning. Even when I'm told, I have no idea how I'm supposed to know it. Any time people tried to explained to me, they always explained only the obvious parts and completely skipped the hard parts.

[Anonymous No.10798749]

>>10798708
>My experienced psychiatrist doesn't say so.

Schizotypal?

[Anonymous No.10798762]

>>10798745
Or for example, this picture is supposed to be terrifying. How am I supposed to know that, there doesn't seem to be anything threatening in it.

[Anonymous No.10798771]

>>10798745
>>10798762
Here, the right one seems to be nearly unbearable to watch, while the left one seems to be much better. To me they look almost the same, only the colors or lighting are somewhat different.

[Anonymous No.10798779]

>>10798745 (You)
>>10798762 (You)
Here, the left one is supposed to be fine, while the right one is supposed to be nearly unbearable to watch. I don't get why. To me they look almost the same, only the colors or lighting are somewhat different.

[Anonymous No.10798784]

The goyim Knows!!!

[Anonymous No.10798851]

>>10798749
Just OCD and dysthymia.
It's not a specific condition for the social ineptitude. Just me not interacting much with people and living inside my head.

[Anonymous No.10798870]

>>10798762
Yeah, I don't get the uncanny valley with Alita, I'm not bitchmade.

[Anonymous No.10798878]

>>10787454
Imagine being this much of a nigger

[Anonymous No.10798885]

>>10798762
>>10798779
You talking about the uncanny valley? Second pic is not unbeareable, but slightly weirder than the first (imho Alita is weird. Her eyes are way too big for her head). That's because first pic looks more like a 3D anime while second pic looks more like a weird human being. The difference is very subtle and both pictures are perfectly watchable, it's not your autism protecting you.

[Anonymous No.10798894]

>>10787946
Man, you are REALLY fucking autistic. Have you tried being normal?

[Anonymous No.10798896]

>>10786738
Autism is like coffee. A good amount will make you better able to function academically, but too much and you start seeing shit.

[Anonymous No.10798902]

>>10798885
I looked it up and they actually made the eyes even bigger. The eyes in the second image really are bigger.

[Anonymous No.10799107]

>>10798745
>I don't see how it's in any way relevant to that.
It was just an example of how you can apply an operation you already know to solve another one. In social settings it's the same thing: you pick pieces of your general knowledge to interpret what's going on.

>I don't see how I would do that without limiting myself to a specific set fo phrases, but it wouldn't work anyway because as I said, the same phrase may have completely different meaning depending on who says it to whom.
You do limit yourself to specific set of phrases, but it grows with time as your memory accrues more and more information about people in general.

>No it isn't. Context is in what situation something is said. The identity of the participants cannot matter, the same phrase must have the same meaning reagrdless of who says it to whom. The appropriatness of the resulting messqage may differ, but the meaning can not. Communication would be impossible otherwise.
The words themselves and the grammar never change in their root. But their interpretation is variable (not unlimitedly variable, of course, but enough that we can abstract and ascribe multiple meanings to the same words in different settings).

[Anonymous No.10799110]

>>10798745
>>10799107
(cont.)
>That is the problem. Sometimes a certain phrase may have completely random meaning. Even when I'm told, I have no idea how I'm supposed to know it. Any time people tried to explained to me, they always explained only the obvious parts and completely skipped the hard parts.
That's because the hard parts are hidden in intuition. And you build intuition through observating and reflecting about what you observe.
Normies have it easier because they don't have to do as much observation and reflection as you have. Yes, you'll have to work twice as hard, but even if it seems impossible, you can develop that skill.
Also, I advice you to trust your gut. It helped me greatly at empathizing with other people. You think you don't have one but you do. I'm sure you've been in situations in which you've said something to someone and you noticed for a split second and very subtly their demeanor change. It gave you a very, very weak feeling of something being off, but it was so weak that you dismissed it as nothing. It was your brain giving you a clue.
Next time you see yourself in such situation, listen to your gut and try to interpret why that feeling is there.

[Anonymous No.10799170]

>>10799107
>>10799110
This is completely pointless, I'm wasting my time.

[Anonymous No.10799229]

>>10799170
Why is that? You can't relate at all to what I'm saying?

[Anonymous No.10799323]

>>10798745
>Communication would be impossible otherwise.
Well it's obviously not, since Normies can do it just fine.

Just think of context as another part of grammar that modifies words. For example, "sick" can mean "being ill or diseased", or "being gross or disgusting", or "being awesome and cool"

The sentence "you're sick!" could have any of those three meanings, and only the hidden grammar of context will tell you which.

[Anonymous No.10799540]

>>10799323
tones too, if verbal

[Anonymous No.10799665]

>>10798525
I attribute it to the qualifications for autism becoming incredibly vague rather than "vaccines caused my boy to become socially awkward and jerk off to hentai" But yes, technology is destroying traditional methods of neural development though that's not a bad thing. We're simply adapting.

[Anonymous No.10800034]

What are the most basic traits of a autism person?

[Anonymous No.10800096]

>>10799229
I've compared it to seeing things in clouds. Imagine that people ommunicate by pointing to clouds, and the meaning critically depends on what the clouds resemble. Only that youo see only clouds that never resemble anything. People assume you are jsut completely retarded, how hard can it be to get that you need to look what the cloud /resembles/, not at the cloud itself? How stupid you may be to not get that. Well, you eventually get that people see something else in the clouds than you do, but that doesn't help, you may occasionally figure out what a cloud resembles to people, but that's a complete waste of time, since clouds are constantly changing.

And then an anon comes "look, it's easy, you need to pay attention to when the cloud resembles something, for example, when it resembles an antelope..."

Just KYS.

>>10799323
Synonyms are not the problem, the ranodm meanings people invent on the spot are a problem.

[Anonymous No.10800101]

>>10800096
I mean homophones, not synonyms.

[Anonymous No.10800102]

>>10795364
>listen to [pharmaceutical businessman] and [video game streamer]'s talk about [neuroscience]
lol

[Anonymous No.10800107]

>>10800096
I mean homonyms, not synonyms.

[Anonymous No.10800112]

>>10786751
he didn't even make an "assertion" he asked a question

[Anonymous No.10800634]

>>10800096
>>10800107
>Synonyms are not the problem, the ranodm meanings people invent on the spot are a problem.
Guess what, that's litterally what homonyms are. If your friermd is calling you something bad, but they're laughing, smiling, and not bring aggressive towards you, you can probably guess what they actually mean.

Or, if it's genuinely new slang, just ask!

Example. A girl sees you walking around with a nice pair of sunglasses. She calls you "Bougie as fuck"
Without googling, what do you tghink that means?

[Anonymous No.10801066]

>>10800634
How am I supposed to know if she things they're nice, or if she even refers to the glasses and not something else? I am not telepathic.

But that is not what I meant. I meant using existing words with different meanings. Like
"what was the food like?"
"It was colorful". (meaning awful)

[Anonymous No.10801068]

>>10800634
How am I supposed to know if she thinks they're nice, or even that she's talking about the glasses and not something else? I am not telepathic.

But that is not what I meant. I meant using existing words with different meanings. Like
"what was the food like?"
"It was colorful". (meaning awful)

[Anonymous No.10801111]

>>10800634
>If your friermd is calling you something bad, but they're laughing, smiling, and not bring aggressive towards you, you can probably guess what they actually mean.

No idea what the purpose of that is supposed to be. I used to think it's mocking (laughing at me), but I guess it's sometimes meant well. It still feels awful though and I have no idea why you're doing it.

[Anonymous No.10801155]

>>10801068
That's his point you colossal retard.
Autism makes you unable to properly communicate with others in the way humans have for as long as we've had any sort of language. It is a weakness.
>I am not telepathic
You do not have to be telepathic to understand another person's subtler meaning when they speak to you. Every non-autist on the planet can, to some degree.
This is what the entire thread has been trying to explain to the resident autists, but you're all too autistic to even understand the concept of autism.

[Anonymous No.10801177]

>>10801155
That doesn't seem to be his point, that is your interpretation. Yes, of course you cannot understand each other either you are just too retarded to notice everybody uderstood the situation differently. You are just so retarded that you don't understad what information people need to get what you mean.

No that is not the problem. Tone of voice is also not the problem. It is so important in chinese that words that differ in tone don't even count as homonyms, and I've had none of such problems. (beyond what would be expected in my third language)

[Anonymous No.10801186]

Only if autists could reproduce.
So no

[Anonymous No.10802269]

I am telepathic.

[Anonymous No.10802343]

>>10786738
>humans cant get smarter without becoming retarded calculators
theres no need for compromise.

[Anonymous No.10802352]

>>10795971
>neanderthal made humans(((not african))) smart... uuhhhh theres no proof for it but maybe some correlation so it must be true

[Anonymous No.10802358]

>>10802352
>implying autism has any correlation with intelligence

[Anonymous No.10802363]

Extreme male brain haver going his own way

[Anonymous No.10802565]

>>10802363
The most retarded fucking idea I've ever seen gain prominence.

[Anonymous No.10802568]

>>10802565
If you'd ever seen an autistic female you'd know it's true.

[Anonymous No.10802573]

>>10802568
My mum is kind of autistic I've slowly realized. I wouldn't say this is true, I'd say it's braindead retardation preventing addressing the real causes of autism.

The only way it's relevant is if massive oxidative stress is depleting their estrogens or otherwise deactivating receptor sites.

[Anonymous No.10802774]

>>10802343
Yes, you can't. Despite all the talk about sheep, if you don't blindly copy others people will think you are retarded. If you don't like the stupid thigns other children like you are autistic. If you don't have the same retarded opinions as everybody else, people will think you are either retarded or their enemy. If you don't make the same logical errors as others you are autistic or mentally ill. Your idea would make sense if smarter people knew more, but the reality is that stupid and smart people know the same amount of things, only that smart people are wrong less often.

[Anonymous No.10802777]

>>10797737
Another argument for autistic people being holistic while neurotypicals detail obsessed is image recognition. If you saw normies a drawing and delete parts of the image, the perceived similarity will highly depend on which part of image you delete. If you have let's say a beaver, and you delete much of the image except the teeth and the tail, it will still be seen as very similar, but delete those two details and it will no loger be recognized as the same.

[Anonymous No.10802780]

>>10802568
Autistic people are less sexually dimorphic than neurotpypical people.

[Anonymous No.10802783]

>>10797737
Another argument for autistic people being holistic while neurotypicals detail obsessed is image recognition. If you show normies a drawing and delete parts of the image, the perceived similarity will highly depend on which part of image you delete. If you have let's say a beaver, and you delete much of the image except the teeth and the tail, it will still be seen as very similar, but delete those two details and it will no loger be recognized as the same.

[Anonymous No.10802856]

>>10786879
>Be autistic
>An enviormental object changes
>Gets excited because of boredom and stagnation in the enviorment
>Then nostalgia fucks me over

[Anonymous No.10802861]

>>10802856
Autistics spend more time evaluating a familiar object every time.

[Anonymous No.10802874]

>>10790326
>Hurr durr i can't depend on myself so i'll get my nearest group to help me
See here you pathetic human being with the fucking logic of an ant. We also have to do things our self to complete an objective, but the fucking brainlet doesn't think every individual think different, and does the objective differently together with social communication for dem dopamines thus making the objective stagnate. If one person has one objective, they can complete itself without any meats of flesh misinterpreteting it.Kys you fucking hiveminded pos

[Anonymous No.10802890]

>>10801111
>No idea what the purpose of that is supposed to be. I used to think it's mocking (laughing at me), but I guess it's sometimes meant well. It still feels awful though and I have no idea why you're doing it.
Because it's a joke, tardo. If you're close friend calls you a motherfucker or a piece of shit, he's complimenting you ironically.

[Anonymous No.10802900]

>>10801068
>How am I supposed to know if she thinks they're nice, or even that she's talking about the glasses and not something else? I am not telepathic.
Context clues, son. If the one thong that changed from yesterday to today is your glasses, then she's probably referring to them. "Nice" is irrelevant to her perception of them, what matters is that they ARE nice, I.E., you paid good money for them.

For all your waxing about autist superiority, you're not really making much of an effort.

>>10801177
No, he's gotten my point exactly, and he understands exactly what I mean, because he's not autistic and is as to recognize the wider social context of my words.

[Anonymous No.10802943]

>>10802890
> If you're close friend calls you a motherfucker or a piece of shit, he's complimenting you ironically.
What is the reason for doing that, fucking retard? (is that a good compliment you fucking piece of shit?)
>>10802900
You call it context, but I call it making stuff up.

[Anonymous No.10803045]

>>10802900
>>10802943
As I said above - the hardest part of dealing with normies is not getting accused of pretending something because normies saw a hidden meaning in something random. Normies are essentialy menally ill, but they rely on each other to not do things that would trigger delusions in others. (and relying on those delusions in communications often)

[Anonymous No.10803096]

Most autists can't take care of themselves on a basic level and they're all depressed. The smarter they get the more depressed they are the dumber they are the less able they are to hold together a functioning society.

>>10787472
That's a bingo. Autists are prone to addiction... they tend to not use drugs, barely use drugs, or use a lot. It also leads to reliving bad memories over and over again and your entire life is bad memories. It as already mentioned causes anxiety. Woah such a fucking amazing evolutionary adaption because it happens to make you smarter and more creative than normals. The stress from this shit impairs productivity more than the neutral connections enhance it.

>>10798678
He's right tho. Autists are bad at figuring out people quickly and judging by superficial appearances... but they do see people on a deeper level. Both because they're capable of doing so and because they have to in order to compensate for the lack of social skills. It's just how it is. Autists are better.

>>10790307
>narrow-thinking, barely functional robots

Kek better neck yourself then. Autists are way WAY more likely to think outside the box. They get in trouble in work and interpersonal relationships because of it all the time. Autists are inventors and artists for a reason. Do autists or normals come off as more conventional and conformist to you?

Anyways the most important reason why autism isn't the next stage of human evolution is because autists don't reproduce and a good number of them come out completely fucked and unable to take care of theirselves.

[Anonymous No.10803131]

>>10791191
True. You're also right about the whole -ism thing. That's why I've never disclosed my disability at work so I can't make that excuse.

It's really woken me up to how normals are mostly no-talent lazy bullies who undermine others out of well founded jealousy so they can keep their jobs and status. It makes me understand why those protections exist. You know after that Jew Kanner discovered Autism, Hans Aspergers came up with Aspergers syndrome. He cooperated with the Nazis and sent autistic kids to a clinic known for euthanizing kids.

I'm glad /pol/ nazis lose their jobs and have their bank accounts closed when they throw a fit about the autist at work. /pol/ are low IQ retards who should suffer. Jews never murdered autists. Nazis did.

[Anonymous No.10803146]

>>10791191
Wrong. It was invented by a literal Nazi to weed out white children with isufficiently aryan thinking.

[Anonymous No.10803148]

>>10803146
Need further elaborate. Curiosity piqued.

[Anonymous No.10803563]

>>10786816
Kekus ad infinitum

[Anonymous No.10803800]

>>10802943
>What is the reason for doing that, fucking retard? (is that a good compliment you fucking piece of shit?)
Because he's your friend and you just did something cool?
And no, that's not a good compliment, since we're not friends among other things. Remember what I said about context?

>You call it context, but I call it making stuff up.
If it were just making stuff up, it wouldnt be so consistent amongst non-autist.

>As I said above - the hardest part of dealing with normies is not getting accused of pretending something because normies saw a hidden meaning in something random. Normies are essentialy menally ill, but they rely on each other to not do things that would trigger delusions in others. (and relying on those delusions in communications often)
Wrong, it's not that they're finding hidden meaning in something random, it's just that you're bad at hiding your true intentions or feelings.

The fact that you're so deadset on your (irrational) hypothesis that neuritypicals are ill, when in reality they're just capable of understanding broader social context in the course of communication, really goes against your assertion that artists are superior and rational.

You're not rational, you're just lacking a key piece of human behavior, and rather than realizing this so that you can take steps to overcome your disability, you pretend that this is actually a good thing and that it's THEM who are broken, not you. It's genuinely pure cope, and it actually makes me pity you.

[xxXSuiseisekiXxx No.10803821]

>>10787526
>viruses have been linked to autism.
Even Chris has seen this. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers he used were accurate in his case.
Where it's the dissociative Autism in his case, rather than more savant Autism.
It's a sub routine that either disregards information relations and catalogs. Or over does it.

[Anonymous No.10803872]

"Schizos are superior"
>OP reveals himself to be schizophrenic and attracts other schizos
"Autists are superior"
>OP reveals himself to be an autist and attracts other autists

damn it do be like that

[xxXSuiseisekiXxx No.10803923]

>>10803872
Yeah, it's a lose attempt to define the bias between per-ordained/accepted data and the normal/unconventional method/s said to result of it.


I will not accept dismissal.
Dismissal is the Mind-Killer.
Dismissal the little-death that brings total ignorance.
I will face dismissal.
I will permit it to accost me and to attempt adherence.
When it falls off my breast, I'll turn wrath to its origins.
Where dismissal has failed, there will be knowledge in its path.

[Anonymous No.10803925]

>>10803800
>Because he's your friend and you just did something cool?

That is not a reason for insult. Maybe a compliment perhaps, but insults don't make sense.

>If it were just making stuff up, it wouldnt be so consistent amongst non-autist.


It isn't as consistent as you think and it's very often wrong even where it is.

>Wrong, it's not that they're finding hidden meaning in something random, it's just that you're bad at hiding your true intentions or feelings.

You see, this is the outright psycho behavior I was talking about. No you didn't find anything, you are just wrong and if you weren't in overwhelming majority you'd be called mentally ill.

[Anonymous No.10803932]

>>10786738
Autism is the natural brain. High tech civilization has created an environment in which mentally disabled individuals (non-autistic brained people) thrive, because the hostile high tech environment is damaging to the natural autistic brain. This has resulted in natural selection choosing mentally disabled individuals over autistic (normal) individuals.

[Anonymous No.10804026]

Asperger appears because of selective breeding, where emotionally stunted males and women that wasted their life crunching numbers make a baby

[xxXSuiseisekiXxx No.10804355]

>>10803932
>Asperger
Is it just my own bias, but is there a genetic trait for a particular sunset type of Autisti/Asperger.?

The weedy black hair type that lacks empathy.
I know it's a broad diagnosis. So theirs easily a trait there if selective.
But I'd suggest the classification of this group is wrong. Much like how ADD/ADHD also umbrellas apathetic/neurotic parents.

[Anonymous No.10804513]

>>10804026
That's the entire western world at this point. No wonder it's ballooning.

[Anonymous No.10806306]

Autism makes it nearly impossible to function properly in human society, which also implies you'll have a very hard time reproducing (if at all) as an autist. Some autists and aspies don't even have the urge to find a sexual partner. This lifestyle is inherently regressive in terms of evolution, as a species' steps into something better are always shaped by how they can find better and more effective ways to reproduce and adapt to their environment (also a huge weakness for autistic people, since they're pretty much addicted to routines and specific patterns).
Maybe the ideal human evolution has an autistic ability for calculations and analysis, while also keeping a normal, healthy yearning for human company and empathy. Until then, no way in hell they're the next step.

[Anonymous No.10806554]

>>10806306
It's only impossible in western society. Nobody else outside Europe hates us and we can live completely normally. There is even a famous French Autist polyglot, who says something like he's only autistic in Europe.

[Anonymous No.10806886]

>>10786738
They clamp.
They vaccinate.
They circumcise.

[xxXSuiseisekiXxx No.10806992]

>>10806886
Pro tip for vax maxxing. Focus additives and their non normal induction to the blood system
There's one that's basically aquarega to neurons. But if ingested or absorbed without skipping to the circularly system it'd be safe,
I'll let you find out yourself what one and by what mechanism. Actually give some sort of dog in this fight.
Ad infinitum bullet points opinion must make one hope for a stoke.

[Anonymous No.10807109]

Probably not, no
It's really just a compromise of something for something else, usually with a bit of ineffectiveness mixed in.
It would probably be better if for example some parts of the cerebellum got re-used for cognitive ability (the cerebellum has a fuckton of connections)

[Anonymous No.10807458]

My younger sister is actually diagnosed autistic. There's no way she could do art or study STEM let alone live on her own or even something as simple as grocery shopping. She could buy her favorite snack maybe and give money to a lady on her own. But say a task such as buy dinner for a week with no preconceived list (or even with a list), she would not be able to handle. A lot of sci look to autism to explain their "downfalls" but they've never seen a legitimate autist to even compare to.

[Anonymous No.10807573]

>>10786738
Jews are God’s Chosen

[Anonymous No.10807593]

>>10792657

[Anonymous No.10807599]

>>10807458

You should know better that autism is a spectrum disorder. Your sister would've been diagnosed with Kanner's syndrome or autistic disorder prior to the DSM5.

[Anonymous No.10807652]

>>10786738
The autistic brain has been clamped and circumcised AND vaccinated.

How long?

[Anonymous No.10807664]

is it worth trying to get autismbux, how hard are they to get

[Anonymous No.10807688]

>>10807458
>A lot of sci look to autism to explain their "downfalls" but they've never seen a legitimate autist to even compare to.
Most formally diagnosed autists on /sci/ have asperger syndrome. This disorder is still in use in ICD-11, but was removed from DSM-V in 2013 in favor of ASD. These individuals have milder versions classical autistic traits coupled with an absence of intellectual disability.

[Anonymous No.10807707]

>>10807688
Cont.

Still, I think you are right. While those who claim to have autism here on /sci/ probably do have more autistic traits than the mean, I speculate that most would in fact not meet the diagnostic critera.

[Anonymous No.10807725]

No, autism will ebb over the next few hundred years as technological society atrophies. ADHD will become a fit trait once again during the upcoming reverse-pleistocene.

[Anonymous No.10807776]

A few papers that are relevant

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnins.2016.00300/full

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3005120/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12146680

Main takeaways, yes autism is definitely linked to higher intelligence, especially in some ways, but there is also a clear imbalance. I would say the biggest losses for autists are abstraction, diffuse attention, and obviously lots related to communication. Also, its very important that what makes humans great isn't individual intelligence but group intelligence, the power of humans is an emergent property much like the power of ants. This is partly why neanderthals went extinct. Autists are not effective communicators, thus, they are best thought of as an asset to humanity if properly applied, but certainly not the next step in evolution

[Anonymous No.10807779]

>>10807725
this is actually true

[Anonymous No.10807793]

>>10807776
also,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4585296/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29846850

People with autism have worse intuition (iowa gambling task performance is very much dependent on one's ability to intuitively pick up and make use of patterns as the subconscious is incredibly good at this) and much higher risk-aversion which is an absolute necessity for huge success in the world and is one of the other incredibly important traits for human success both as individuals and as a collective whole

[Anonymous No.10807803]

>>10786816
Based and redpilled

[Anonymous No.10807871]

>>10807776
>>10807793
I don't know if emergent properties are real. Can a machine ever be more than the sum of its parts? I would say no. That's what organizational structures and compartmentalization is for, controlling the flow of state changes, and increasing the probability of maximal output.

Yeah, I don't know. Just because you have a bunch of parts together that happen to bring out abilities in each other via their interactions, doesn't mean that there's anything emergent either spatially or temporally.

No, I'd have to reject emergence as a concept. You know it invokes thoughts of gliders in Conway's game of life and so on, but I just don't see it. If you had some thoughts I'd like to hear them though.

[Anonymous No.10807903]

>>10807871
Simplest example of what I'm talking about is ants and an anthill. No single ant can conceive of the enormous complexity and functionality that is the anthill, and yet, it exists. Same thing with humans. Popular example is the essay I, Pencil, which exemplifies that even the deceivingly simplest of human creations actually requires so complex and advanced of a body of knowledge that no individual human knows how to make it.

Maybe this isn't exactly "emergence" as you may think of it, but the point is that human achievement is due to individual specialization, distribution, and exchange of goods and ideas. The TED talk "When Ideas have Sex" is a nice overview if you're interested.

[Anonymous No.10807915]

>>10807903
But the ultimate behavior of the ant colony does not exceed the sum of the logic contained in its individual parts. Something cannot have logic outside of the total logic of its parts.

If you look at ants, they're suboptimal (ie they'll trace blades of grass and revisit the same blade multiple times), and their mode of communication is somewhat slow though overall fairly tight and resistant to failure. But ultimately, all these interactions cannot create something greater.

Pretty much, what I'm getting at is the universe can't do logic beyond the underlying logic it's driven by. It cannot give rise to a machine that can transcend itself. It can't afford its existence. This is necessarily present at all other scales.

[Anonymous No.10807930]

>>10807915
Yeah, I think you misunderstand what emergence talks about. You are completely right by that there cannot exist a machine that transcends itself or logic beyond the underlying logic. The idea is that there is another, very important component, or logic, which is the interaction of the physical objects themselves. Emergence isn't magic, its merely the synthesis of huge complexity through lots of not so complex parts and their interactions

[Anonymous No.10808237]

>>10807458
>But say a task such as buy dinner for a week with no preconceived list (or even with a list), she would not be able to handle
Why not?

>>10807599
no

>>10807688
No. The difference is the amount of abuse. If you have at least one autistic parent, you get the milder form. Neurotypical parents won't let you learn langauge.

>>10807725
ADHD is the oposite of autism.

>>10807776
Nonsense. Autists excell at abstract thinking. What you call abstract thinking is actually called magical thinking, autist don't have it. Autsits have verbal intelligence incomparable to normies, it's the normies fault that communication fails and it's the normies who think like neadnerthals and do not cooperate. (they only cooperate against somebody else like neanderthals did, not to help each other like people)

>>10807793
It doesn't work with the Chinese either, only white people think like that. It's the same kind of thinking that causes prejudice, "lucky" pieces of clothing and other delusions. In real life the results are almost always false, because you end up sticking to random occurences.

[Anonymous No.10808259]

>>10807793
Animals excel at tasks like that, it's nothing to be proud about.

> Same thing with humans. Popular example is the essay I, Pencil, which exemplifies that even the deceivingly simplest of human creations actually requires so complex and advanced of a body of knowledge that no individual human knows how to make it.

Retarded drivel written by an autist who couldn'tt fathom people would cooperate without money and think it was a massive insight to realize different people have different knowledge and skills.

[Anonymous No.10808300]

>>10807793
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29846850
From the abstract it seems that autistic people scored better than the controls.

[Anonymous No.10808304]

>>10807793
>>10808237
Actually read the study. The study is chinese and showed that normies didn't stick to the results and the "disabled" did. Western results show the opposite, neurotypical people stick to the choice depite negative consequences: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/rRRCEoCXDSiv4dQvM/monty-hall-in-the-wild

[Anonymous No.10808361]

>>10808304
I think this is the basis of how some of the mysteriosu social skills work, such as the insulting your friends mentioned aboce. Since in neurotypical westerners negative feedback not only doesn't diminish, but may even strenghten th original belief, it naturally follows from it that if you insult your friend (a negative feedback about your friendship) you end up strenghtening your friendship. (I have never seen chinese doing anything like that)

[Anonymous No.10808490]

>>10808237
Anon, you are completely delusional and have no idea of how the world works. Your autistic brain has failed you in analyzing anything beyond your immediate surroundings.

[Anonymous No.10808507]

>>10786738
>itt: scientific illiteracy & /x/-tier conspiracy
HFA/AS has been shown to have a higher degree of heritability than other factors.
Also it should be noted that high intelligence is also an abnormality, and those with it have been shown to often have abnormal neurology.
/thread

[Anonymous No.10808529]

To all here self-proclaimed autists.
Up to doing some 30 pages of reading?
google "studies on hysteria" site:archive.org
In that book, read the case history of "Anna O" (aforementioned~30 pages), written by Breuer (not Freud).
Posts your thoughts on what you read here, as replies.
If anything, at the very least, it's quite a nail-biting read.

[Anonymous No.10808530]

>>10808490
This: http://www.projectlearnet.org/tutorials/concrete_vs_abstract_thinking.html

Is magical, not abstract thinking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking#Anthropology

[Anonymous No.10808546]

>>10808529
Also don't let the thread die in the meantime, if you can help it.

[xxXSuiseisekiXxx No.10808556]

>>10808529
Hey Anon want to reset your refractory period?
Pic related.

Just don't remember penny crystals immediately after.

[Anonymous No.10808568]

>>10808530
I'm not even the same guy. Kek
Just from reading your last post and seeing you say such shallow and untrue things I can easily recognize how jaded and out of touch with reality you are.

[Anonymous No.10808587]

>>10808568
What about that is untrue?

[Anonymous No.10808591]

>>10808529
IMO an autistic woman suffering severe meningitis, or something similar.

[Anonymous No.10808604]

>>10808591
She (Bertha Pappenheim) later became a public figure, was for more than 30 years, with pretty much nobody who didn't know her back then, having as much as a clue anything like this ever happened.

[Anonymous No.10808618]

>>10786951

My answears:

1.On the bus

Jim is a nice person

>2. Skinned knee

Give band aid and medicinal alchool ASAP

>3. Accidental poison

Yes and no

Technically , she is to blame as she was the one that ended Marys life. So yes

But No because she did not mean to harm and thought it was sugar.

The one to blame is the retarded scientist that labeled a lethal substance sugar and did not put any sort of danger warning.

[Anonymous No.10808632]

>>10807915
You have to read more about emergence and complex systems anon. You have it wrong, it's not some magical thing that transcends logic, it's a name for phenomena that only happens in the interaction of parts of a system, and whose logic is not possible to grasp by only looking at how the individual parts function by themselves. Only in their interaction.

[Anonymous No.10808633]

>>10786738
Chris-chan is peak human evolution

[Anonymous No.10808636]

>>10786951
1) Not good, well mannered.
2) Good word iskind of an ineffective tool to combat infection - and there CAN be consequences? I mean, hello, wake up, you special snoflake, also, immasowwyvewymuch, but that alcohol will likely sting too?
3) Scientist effectively set Grace up. Grace is not responsible, but he is, for mishandling lethal substances, that is, criminal negligence at the very least (and there will be questions about that "sugar" label as well).
Mary is a retard for ignoring suspicious tastes or odors (or does that lethal substance in "sugar" container taste exactly like sugar as well?).

[Anonymous No.10808642]

>>10786738
Yea , lets see the normies try locate and nuke a bloody ISIS base using weaponised normism on instagram

[Anonymous No.10808643]

>>10786956
>The social games are daunting. They don’t really have friends, they only have (usually temporal) allies they help them to fight others. They want somebody who is good at figuring out the weaknesses of others, can spread rumors against them, or find something that could be used against them.
>projection, the post.
Narcisism.

[Anonymous No.10808644]

>>10808636
Also why the fuck can't Jenny tend to her fucking knee by herself, if I may inquire. Or did she hurt her, gasp, FEELINGS, or something, as well?

[Anonymous No.10808646]

>>10808644
In other words why should I assume Johnny has obligation to babysit Jenny to begin with?

[Anonymous No.10808647]

>>10808636
>Mary is a retard for ignoring suspicious tastes or odors (or does that lethal substance in "sugar" container taste exactly like sugar as well?).


Maybe its odorless and if you taste it... its too late

[Anonymous No.10808654]

>>10798878
Imagine being this much of a faggot

[Anonymous No.10808655]

>>10798894
Get on his level normalfag

[Anonymous No.10808657]

>>10808587
>ADHD is the oposite of autism.
It's not. You either took this assumption out of your ass or took some author's hypothesis for a fact. There's no scientific consensus on that. Just because you can derive it through logic it doesn't mean it's true.

>Autists excell at abstract thinking
No, they don't. Most autists are literal retards.

>Autsits have verbal intelligence incomparable to normies
No, they haven't. See previous response.

>it's the normies fault that communication fails and it's the normies who think like neadnerthals and do not cooperate.
Communication generally doesn't fail. If it did, we weren't able to create whole societies and systems.

>(they only cooperate against somebody else like neanderthals did, not to help each other like people)
It is an effective strategy to create a common enemy to unite people regardless of whether your population is normie or autistic. There's literally no evidence that HFAs are less irrational and/or less subject to manipulation than normies. It's a behavior long shared by all human populations.

[Anonymous No.10808658]

>>10808643
So... Normies are now nacisists?
Wait a second

Narcisism
narcISISm
ISIS

Nuke those motherfuckers with WeaP On I zEd A uT IsM

[Anonymous No.10808671]

>>10808657
Ever thought most HFAs just don't get diagnozed?

[Anonymous No.10808673]

>>10808604
Not surprising, the brain function was restored once the infection cleared.
>>10808657
>It's not. You either took this assumption out of your ass or took some author's hypothesis for a fact. There's no scientific consensus on that. Just because you can derive it through logic it doesn't mean it's true.

It certainly seems to be. i.e. processing and focus too narrow even for normies.
>No, they don't. Most autists are literal retards.
Yes, they do. They seem retards to you because *your* abstract thinking sucks and you're deducing nonsense. How do you think they could be so succesful in fields that require highly developed abstract thought (i.e. STEM)? What you call "abstract thinking" is the liberal art nonsense that has become a literal meme.

>Communication generally doesn't fail. If it did, we weren't able to create whole societies and systems.

It's like monkeys. Monkeys are not bothered other monkeys don't talk to them, they even don't know what talking is and learn to do witrh what they have. (and can generally cooperata jsut as well as normies without language) Autists expect highly developed language, and have no way of dealing with its absence, not only normies don't talk well enough, they also won't get what you mean when you talk the way you naturally talk.

>It is an effective strategy to create a common enemy to unite people regardless of whether your population is normie or autistic.

It is necessary for normies. Autists can cooperate without an enemy to unite against. Hence how most societies can fuction with one ruling party with no opposing force to unite against.

>There's literally no evidence that HFAs are less irrational and/or less subject to manipulation than normies.

They can only be convinced by logical arguments, of course that is harder to fake than the normie way.

[Anonymous No.10808677]

>>10808647
You cannot smell sugar?

[Anonymous No.10808679]

>>1080867
>regarding Anna O
Okay
>mental note
>lack of relevant experience (nervous breakdown, psychosomatics), hence lack of recognition
The insistence on postulating infection despite there being no basis to support that assumption, is interesting though.
Thank you for your attention and time.

[Anonymous No.10808680]

>>10808671
How does that relate to anything that I've said?

Also, even though most HFAs are never diagnosed, I can bet you that they live with crippling social ineptitude and never amount to anything, because that's what defines autism. Please don't just label socially awkward high IQ normies as autists so you can feel better about yourself.

[Anonymous No.10808681]

>>10808679
>>10808673

[Anonymous No.10808685]

>>10808679
The basis is that she had obvious symptoms of brain function disturbance (it seems that left hemisphere was especially affected) as well as the tiredness and stiffness of neck and the fact that the symptoms vanished with no trace, which I assume would not happen if it was a stroke or physical brain damage. What do you think it was?

[Anonymous No.10808687]

>>10808680
Who said a normie can ALWAYS distinguish another normie from an autist (that includes mislabeling normies as autusts as well)?
Who said YOU can? You seem to think quite high of your acumen. I wonder, on what basis, if so.

[Anonymous No.10808693]

>>10808677
Not really

I dont smell the sugar when im making a coffee and just putting sugar

But the hypothetical poison could have the smell of sugar

[Anonymous No.10808712]

>>10808685
My own theory is that it was the sort of thing that in some cases gets labeled as paranoid psychosis (can't speak for all cases) - encumbered, yes, with psychosomatic symptoms.
The logic behind it, I think, is something like this. When she was born, father wanted a boy, since there were already, if I am not mistaken, two girls already. The boy got born three years after. "Anna" thus became a sort of "extra" child. Be it her father's wish, her brother would be born instead of her, and she wouldn't be born at all. Snake, I think, meant death, physical desintegration. And the bite is, I think, that she realized she could, just as well, not exist at all, at least, if it just so happened for the father to get his way.
She was probably generally quite a habitually obedient girl too.

But that's just my take, what do I know, I am not a medium, I had my own narrative of that sort to resolve, I did it and by and large solved my problem. Managed to get by without talking partner too.
Anyway, doesn't give me any right to speak for others regardless.

[Anonymous No.10808715]

>>10808712
The bite of the setup described, not of the snake.

[Anonymous No.10808739]

>>10808712
How about the vision disturbances, the "absences", the loss of ability to speak certain langauges (or to speak them correctly), the lack of ability to notice or recognize people, her apparent inability to write with her right hand, the physical symptoms??

[Anonymous No.10808744]

>>10808739
Amplification of physcosomatic symptoms, harmful to her well-being (thus potentially leading to her ceasing to exist).

[Anonymous No.10808756]

>>10808744
impossible

[Anonymous No.10809194]

>>10808673
>Autists expect highly developed language, and have no way of dealing with its absence, not only normies don't talk well enough, they also won't get what you mean when you talk the way you naturally talk.

You do realize that if you can't talk to normies you're a poor communicator right? Normies, namely tard wranglers are more apt at communicating with autists than autists are with normies. If you want to be considered "better communicators" then you should be able to communicate more effectively with more people, not less

[Anonymous No.10809416]

>>10809194
The main difference is that normies use euphemisms automatically without any consideration, almost as if they're just repeating a phrase because they were conditioned to use it in a particular context. The original meaning doesn't seem to matter to normies. Americans are particularly vulgar in this regard. Meanwhile "autists" can't help but interpret euphemisms literally, so their use at least causes us to pause for thought if not causes offense. Euphemistic communication is related to reasoning by analogy and is inherently inferior to literal communication.

[Anonymous No.10809441]

>>10808237
>No. The difference is the amount of abuse. If you have at least one autistic parent, you get the milder form. Neurotypical parents won't let you learn langauge.
Interesting hypothesis, but you need to back that shit up. It's estimated (through twin-studies) that about 60%-90% of autism is purely genetic, thus leaving at least some room for this dynamic to play out.

[Anonymous No.10809450]

>>10808237
>>>10807688
>No.
He was just stating facts.

[Anonymous No.10809527]

>>10809194
The problem is, as I said that:

1, Normie's langauge is less precise than expected and there seems to be a lot of things they simply cannot express verbally at all. It's much easier to deal with it if you are on the same level. See the comparison with monkeys.

2. Normie's comprehension speed is lower than expected. They cannot process language as you speak it normally, lose parts of what you said and misinterpret the rest.

3. The language you speak is verly likely best suited for normie's needs, not yours.

4. A lot of the time it seems there are just a few words that are really meant to be understood, and the rest is garbage that is supposed to make the sentences look grammatical, but must be ignored to get the meaning as it was intended.

5. As I said this difference disappears in writing, which suggests that it is the preferred way of communication even for normies, but they have no capacity to engage in it in real time.

You need to adapt to all that, but normies don't have to adapt to anything, since they naturally talk that way.

[Anonymous No.10809940]

>>10786816
sensible chuckle

[Anonymous No.10810082]

>>10786816
kekeado

[xxXSuiseisekiXxx No.10810471]

>>10808680
>I can bet you that they live with crippling social ineptitude and never amount to anything
Stop attempting to make absolute testamentary without logic you spastic.
It's by default a psyke issue. And we all know that there's no self evident result there.

>most HFAs are never diagnosed
>with an IQ of 70 or greater
>There are other comorbidities, the presence of one or more disorders in addition to the primary disorder
>general mood disorder.
I can't see why they're not diagnosed. At retard bliss 'IQ', the self soothing that comes with self awareness when actually not retarded kick in.
Being at a point self soothing activates. Are they any longer autistic? As any disorder is the harm to function in the system.
The mood disorder may just be correlate to the insanity the self soothing autistic witness's but because of self awareness they correctly are dismayed or present manic.

Rational break down is not a problem.
The cause is. Undesirable action in a social system is a disorder, if it's a detrimental one by logic.

So these HFA you're trying to kneecap. Aren't actually Autistic. They're hypernormalative.
The autistic that are left. Are actually retarded.Their HF aspect is evidenced by irrationality.

[Anonymous No.10810605]

Neurotypical is the psyche of the parasite, autistic is the psyche of the predator, autists are not liked primarily due to it being obvious they would become deadly without any second thoughts if the dire necessity arises, it's all there is to it.