/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10780279]

Is fluorosilicic acid safe? Some fake news sources claim that it lowers the IQ of children, pulls lead into water, and contains arsenic and other fertilizer/aluminum industry waste.

[Anonymous No.10780282]

People can worry about minor environmental contaminates after they stop destroying their bodies with a lack of sleep.

[Anonymous No.10780286]

>>10780279
Anyone who didn't realize the true intent of mass drugging the population through the water supply shortly after realizing it was being done is probably an NPC. Those fake news sources are pulling from the literature of literally anywhere other than the US.

[Anonymous No.10780288]

>>10780279
it's safe. if you really care, then drink bottled spring water and let the normies drink tap water.

>muh pineal gland calcification
not well supported in the literature
>muh iq
basically an urban myth
>pulls lead into water
only if you live in a place that randomly increases the acidity of your water going through a place with lead pipes. like flint. but no, nothing to worry about if that is not the case
>industry waste
no, not really

i mean, there is something to be said for "i don't want chemicals added to my water (or food)", fine. but fluoride is good for your teeth, so it addresses a major public health issue.

just drink bottled water if you care and if you really care, get a medical degree and study epidemiology and figure it out for yourself.

[Anonymous No.10780291]

>>10780288
>basically an urban myth
Chinese literature going back to the 1920's.

[Anonymous No.10780295]

>>10780291
>Chinese naturally flouridated water has the same levels as controlled water supply

[Anonymous No.10780297]

>>10780288
What about testosterone? I've seen some studies about correlations between higher fluoride and lower testosterone levels:

Does Fluoride Affect Serum Testosterone and Androgen Binding Protein with Age-Specificity? A Population-Based Cross-Sectional Study in Chinese Male Farmers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27154732/

[Anonymous No.10780300]

>>10780297
i mean, sorry, but china science....

[Anonymous No.10780304]

>>10780295
>Why wouldn't I drink this useless poison that interferes with over 200 enzyme systems in the body?
IQ clamped.

>Hey little kiddo, welcome to the world!
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>clamp
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[Anonymous No.10780307]

>>10780304
>useless
Wrong. Also the dose makes the poison.

[Anonymous No.10780308]

>>10780291
>Chinese literature
lol

[Anonymous No.10780315]

>>10780304
umbilical schizo strikes again.

what's your name? can we give you a name? you can pick one. how does "clampschizo" work?

[Anonymous No.10780318]

>>10780307
>Wrong.
Right.

-Linear dose response is classical toxicology, it has limits.
-Not all poisons trigger hormetic responses at any dose
-Many poisons are quite literally useless. Fluorides are one of them.

If you want to help your teeth out, use baking soda and theobromine instead. If you really insist on being poisoned, use fluoride toothpaste. Just stop drinking the garbage, it has no internal use.

[Anonymous No.10780319]

>>10780315
How could he ever believe after what they've done.

[Anonymous No.10780326]

>>10780279
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5285601/

Fluoride lowers IQ, this is scientific fact. The only time Alex Jones was wrong about something was Sandy Hook. Which he has since retracted and apologized for. Much better track record than main stream media.

[Anonymous No.10780333]

>>10780326
>Fluoride lowers IQ, this is scientific fact.
And... we knew it in the 1920's. The Chinese literature was part of what we reviewed during the Manhattan project, to assess the impact of uranium hexafluoride, hydrogen fluoride, etc exposure. Though we didn't give a fuck and vented it all out anyway. Teflon was used to coat the machinery because the only thing that can resist fluorine is fluorine.

Then we start putting it in our water. Hm. Thanks Sloan-Kettering!

[Anonymous No.10780351]

>>10780326
>one citation
>india science
oh, wow. you one-upped the china science dude.

>>10780333
i mean, i am tempted to ask for sauces but i know better. just back to >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10780354]

>>10780326
>Sandy Hook
this is sarcasm right?
sandy hook is fake as fuck
the whole alex jones thing iis infinitely fuhnnier when you consider it's cia assets calling out other cia assets then being counter called out back and forth.

[Anonymous No.10780357]

Saying fluoride is toxic is as stupid as saying water is toxic because too much will ultimately kill.

[Anonymous No.10780362]

>>10780357
To add on further, labelling things in such black and white terms is incredibly disingenuous. Things are not simply "bad" or "good"

[Anonymous No.10780369]

>>10780351
Pitocin. Clamped. Vitamin K with aluminum. Silver nitrate RIGHT in the eyes. VACCINATED. Circumcised. FORMULA fed, DENIED THE BREAST and the COLOSTRUM due to mammary malfunction from PITOCIN. Develops neonatal JAUNDICE. Poked with a pin, blood sample collected. Stamped. Given a certificate of existence as collateral for debts like CATTLE.

CLAMPED.

[Anonymous No.10780377]

>>10780369
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[Anonymous No.10780384]

>>10780318
>Linear dose response is classical toxicology, it has limits.
The dose response for fluoride is known, it doesn't have to be guessed.

>Not all poisons trigger hormetic responses at any dose
Neither does flouride.

>Many poisons are quite literally useless. Fluorides are one of them.
Wrong and it's not a poison.

Take your paranoid schizophrenia back to your containment board >>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10780386]

>>10780377
Clamped. We need to stop competing amongst ourselves (classical divide and conquer) and turn on the structure that continues this ignorance and evil onto children this very instant.

Tell everyone you know. Spread the word. Wake up these coward and moron doctors and have the whole system held to account.

[Anonymous No.10780390]

>>10780384
>The dose response for fluoride is known
Lol. Fluorides affect several HUNDRED enzyme systems int he body. You're talking shit there, m80. If you really believe what you're saying, you've been misled.

>Neither does flouride.
Right. Near as I can tell there is never a point when it nets out a meaningful hormetic effect.

>Wrong and it's not a poison.
It is a poison.
Look up Phyllis Mullenix. I wish "we" still had her system, actually. I've been meaning to determine what became of it.

[Anonymous No.10780397]

>>10780354
>sandy hook is fake as fuck
>>>/x/

[Anonymous No.10780398]

>>10780384
You're in for a bad time
https://pastebin.com/VuLYa82S

[Anonymous No.10780407]

>>10780390
>Look up Phyllis Mullenix.
Here's an interview.
https://fluoridealert.org/content/mullenix-interview/

[Anonymous No.10780410]

>>10780369
Umbilical pulsing. ENLIGHTENED. Homebirth. KUNDALINI'D. Antivaxxing. QIGONGED. Clamptard. NEWAGE CHOPRAPILLED

[Anonymous No.10780421]

>>10780410
A message from ancient Greece:
"The cord is to be left until its pulsations have ceased, it lies flat, and has become white."
Even they knew, despite their foolishness as Socrates and others noted. How foolish must our system be, that they would clamp the cord.

In the ancient world you couldn't get away with this shit because odds were you'd cause infection or post partum hemorrhage. Like a retard. Now we're just overpowered retards.

[Anonymous No.10780423]

>>10780386
>doctors BAD!
i bet you vote trump don't you. it's that trump-inspired appeal to newage shit to trick the absolute most gullible retards into thinking you're taking a redpill. "hurr durr, i don't think vaccines are bad, *wink wink pharma lobbyists, i got you*, but to make america great again, you can't PUMP UP KIDS with all those VACCINES ALL AT ONCE, that's like gonna CAUSE AUTISM, uh, yeah spread them out, MAGA, vote for me, i grab em by the pussy and could shoot a dude on 5th ave. kek, putin is awesome, china bad they hoaxed global warming btw"

[Anonymous No.10780427]

>>10780421
>ancient greece, they were way smarter than modern science
didn't i give you the allegory about how cavewoman mothers for sure chewed that shit ASAP so they could run away from predators? i could copypasta it if you forget

[Anonymous No.10780428]

>>10780423
Section 13 of every vaccine insert:
"[Vaccine] has not been tested for mutagenic potential, carcinogenic potential, or impairment of fertility."

You don't give a child a vaccine ever, never mind "all at once".

[Anonymous No.10780430]

>>10780397
you're glowing

[Anonymous No.10780432]

http://fluoridealert.org/studies/brain01/
>As of June 2018, a total of 60 studies have investigated the relationship between fluoride and human intelligence, and over 40 studies have investigated the relationship fluoride and learning/memory in animals.
>Of these investigations, 53 studies have found that elevated fluoride exposure is associated with reduced IQ in humans, while 45 animal studies have found that fluoride exposure impairs the learning and/or memory capacity of animals. The human studies, which are based on IQ examinations of over 15,000 children, provide compelling evidence that fluoride exposure during the early years of life can damage a child’s developing brain.

[Anonymous No.10780433]

>>10780427
Ah. He was clamped. Now, he must clamp, and justify clamping. That which was clamped must also clamp.

[Anonymous No.10780436]

>>10780432
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/brain/
>Over 400 studies have found that fluoride is a neurotoxin (a chemical that can damage the brain). This research includes:
>Over 200 animal studies showing that prolonged exposure to varying levels of fluoride can damage the brain, particularly when coupled with an iodine deficiency, or aluminum excess;
>53 human studies linking moderately high fluoride exposures with reduced intelligence;
>45 animal studies reporting that mice or rats ingesting fluoride have an impaired capacity to learn and/or remember;
>12 studies (7 human, 5 animal) linking fluoride with neurobehavioral deficits (e.g., impaired visual-spatial organization);
>3 human studies linking fluoride exposure with impaired fetal brain development.
>3 Mother-Offspring studies linking certain levels of fluoride in the urine of pregnant women to reduced IQ in their offspring.

>Based on this accumulating body of research, several prestigious reviews — including a report authored by the U.S. National Research Council, a meta-analysis published by a team of Harvard scientists, a review published in The Lancet, and a 2017 U.S.-funded 12-year study that found a link between fluoride in the urine of pregnant women and lower measures of intelligence in their children — have raised red flags about the potential for low levels of fluoride to harm brain development in some members of the population.

[Anonymous No.10780438]

>>10780428
ohhhhh okay, clamptard is an anti-vaxxer too. redpill me on kundalini awakenings, please.

also, what supermarket do you go to in Williamsburg? i used to like whole foods but now i am sort of thinking of changing to trader joe's

[Anonymous No.10780443]

>>10780433
super intelligent argument, you are a real intellectual who deserves to post here, since apparently your health-food-store shelf-restocker gig wasn't rewarding enough

[Anonymous No.10780449]

>>10780438
Nine times out'a ten, "natural food stores" are parasites with massive markups. You're much better off identifying a good local coop, and supporting them. Support local farms (that deserve it, though in these times I'm apt to say in general).

A lot of the time I get stuff for little more than wholesale.

There's no Willamsburg near me.

[Anonymous No.10780451]

>>10780390
>Lol. Fluorides affect several HUNDRED enzyme systems int he body.
And?

>Near as I can tell there is never a point when it nets out a meaningful hormetic effect.
Wrong again retard. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://dose-response.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Jones-1.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwig3d_Lx5zjAhUumuAKHU3LD9MQFjAAegQIBBAB&usg=AOvVaw3dTHbCDxkbzZ88VY_gDRnN

>Look up Phyllis Mullenix
I did. She only has one published study on flouride and it found that fluoride in doses hundreds of times higher than drinking water is dangerous to rats. Woopdeefuckingdoo.

[Anonymous No.10780452]

>>10780443
Ah.... I see, that he was clamped.
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>Clamp
:^)
:^)
:^)

[Anonymous No.10780457]

>>10780452
the clamptard has become the clampee. i suggest we clamp the clampers' clampers, and then clamp clamping clampers' clamping clamps

[Anonymous No.10780460]

>>10780451
:^P

[Anonymous No.10780466]

>>10780436
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/endocrine/
>Fluoride was definitively identified as an endocrine disruptor in a 2006 report by the U.S. National Research Council of the National Academies (NRC). This report states:
>In summary, evidence of several types indicates that fluoride affects normal endocrine function or response; the effects of the fluoride-induced changes vary in degree and kind in different individuals. Fluoride is therefore an endocrine disruptor in the broad sense of altering normal endocrine function or response, although probably not in the sense of mimicking a normal hormone. The mechanisms of action remain to be worked out and appear to include both direct and indirect mechanisms, for example, direct stimulation or inhibition of hormone secretion by interference with second messenger function, indirect stimulation or inhibition of hormone secretion by effects on things such as calcium balance, and inhibition of peripheral enzymes that are necessary for activation of the normal hormone. (page 266)

[Anonymous No.10780467]

>>10780449
>muh coop
urban hipster detected

[Anonymous No.10780471]

>>10780466
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/fertility/
>Consistent with the in vitro research, over 60 animal studies have found that fluoride adversely impacts the male reproductive system. The effects — which have been observed in rats, mice, chickens, and rabbits — include: (1) decreases in testosterone levels; (2) reduced sperm motility; (3) altered sperm morphology; (4) reduced sperm quantity; (5) increased oxidative stress; (6) and reduced capacity to breed. While the studies have generally used high doses, many of the studies have found effects at dosages that would produce blood fluoride concentrations far lower than the concentrations used in the in vitro research. See, e.g., Sun (2010); Dvoráková-Hortová (2008); Sharma (2008); Reddy (2007); Gupta (2007); Pushpalatha (2005). In one of the few studies to report blood fluoride concentrations, Mexican researchers reported that blood fluoride levels of 0.2 to 0.26 ppm for an eight week period caused increased oxidative stress, reductions in sperm motility and reduced fertility in male rats. Izquierdo-Vega, et al. (2008).

[Anonymous No.10780472]

>>10780449
coops are generally better

[Anonymous No.10780475]

>>10780467
Rural. Your lack of perspective is showing. Although mine is as well, I don't really know how a "coop" is in some suburbanite's general experience. If it's member owned your odds are better, though I've had my share of disagreements with the boards and interests that inevitably form.

[Anonymous No.10780479]

>>10780472
are you guys serious? you guys like get a box of vegetables delivered and then you actually cook all that random shit?

my opinion on that, though it is available to me, is that i would never sign up for it because trying to cook a bunch of random ass crap never works and it ends up going in the trash

[Anonymous No.10780481]

>>10780475
so how does it work. this whole concept seems pretty dumb to me, see here >>10780479

[Anonymous No.10780485]

>>10780479
that's not a coop that's a box scheme

[Anonymous No.10780486]

>>10780485
so how does a coop work then

[Anonymous No.10780489]

>>10780486
Depends on the coop,

[Anonymous No.10780491]

>>10780479
I don't get it delivered, I go and buy it. But generally, yeah. If there;s something I can store well I might special order it fora discount... one coop gives out dividends, the other has a 10% discount.

>>10780481
You generally pay a certain amount yearly (eg 12$), then either get dividends or sometimes a discount. if you're a working member you can get more discount. Member sales and all the usually mechanics also exist.

It's just a store with above. Coop = member owned. Implicitly the expectation is that more money will remain circulating and invested int he community.

[Anonymous No.10780492]

>>10780479
>delivered
Usually you have to pick them up somewhere.

>because trying to cook a bunch of random ass crap never works
I don't have an issue with it. It doesn't eliminate all grocery shopping, but if you're a creative cook it's not hard to make what they give you. At that point it's more a matter of if you like all those things or not.

[Anonymous No.10780504]

>>10780489
so how does yours work?
>>10780491
you go and buy it where? a long, fossil-fuel intensive location? and you get what? a head of broccoli?
>>10780492
i consider myself a decent cook but would rather cook one or two times a week and eat leftovers. i don’t see the benefit in a box of veggies that i mostly would throw in the trash if i had the choice

[Anonymous No.10780523]

>>10780504
>you go and buy it where?
Over in town. Within walking distance, but it would take 6 hours or so round trip.

>and you get what?
It's really depended. At this point I mainly eat beans and turkey, with some spices. Everyone always says lectins and all the rest of it, but beans have worked for me for some reason. I make sauerkraut occasionally.

The most prepared it gets for me at this point is a can of beans that's presoaked, cooked, etc. I'm not at all representative of what's actually possible.

[Anonymous No.10780664]

>>10780449
>>10780467
>"natural food stores"
It is true though. You can bet there is a store somewhere within the general area that sells the same stuff, just without the fancy packaging and for fractions of the price.

[Anonymous No.10782106]

>>10780279
Isn't fluoride a natural component in drinking water? There's no reason that it wouldn't be safe and effective to increase fluoride levels in samples that are below the natural average. Most of Europe doesn't even have to fluoridate because of this

[Anonymous No.10782121]

>another IQ thread

[Anonymous No.10783924]

>>10782121
is IQ reduction not a bad enough symptom to make us examine the science behind mass fluoridation

[Anonymous No.10783930]

Fluoride is circumcision for the mind. It works with aluminum.

Same evil logic. Destroy it, once and for all.