/sfg/ Spaceflight General

[Anonymous No.10767650]

RETRO IS STILL BEST BUT HOLY SHIT FUCKING RANGER WTF U DOING SPECIAL EDITION

Old thread >>10762121

[Anonymous No.10767661]

Retro?
Go!

[Anonymous No.10767668]

I guess I can dump some cool images here.

[Anonymous No.10767669]

Failure is not an option!

[Anonymous No.10767670]

>>10767668
We should revisit this concept.

[Anonymous No.10767672]

>>10767670

[Anonymous No.10767673]

>>10767672

[Anonymous No.10767675]

I have these books, anyone else? Fantastic art.

[Anonymous No.10767677]

>>10767673

[Anonymous No.10767678]

>>10767673
Oh that's lewd

[Anonymous No.10767681]

>>10767677
I'll stop here. I like Ike, and beamed power.

[Anonymous No.10767759]

>there will be two variants of starship: one tanker and one crew

>Goes on to talk about launching cargo to LEO and passengers suborbital and Jupiter and Neptune probes

[Anonymous No.10767783]

>>10767673
>>10767677
this is basically just F9/Starship but worse.

[Anonymous No.10767845]

>>10767677
I thought dolfin porn was banned on /sci/?

[Anonymous No.10768103]

>>10767675
Are you from 2101?

[Anonymous No.10768107]

>>10767650
that thruster looks way too big

[Anonymous No.10768219]

all these worlds are yours, except ganymede
attempt no landing there

[Anonymous No.10768245]

[Anonymous No.10768246]

>>10767650
>>10767668
>>10767670
>>10767672
>>10767673
>>10767677
>>10767681
Why are these concept arts so comfy?

[Anonymous No.10768275]

>>10767650
>NASA Events
Tues., July 2: Orion Spacecraft Ascent-Abort 2 Test Before Moon Missions (Launch Window Opens 7 a.m. EDT)
Sat., July 20, 12:28 p.m. EDT: Expedition 60 Astronauts Launch to Space Station

[Anonymous No.10768439]

>>10767759
tanker variant, by nature, has a bunch of capacity to LEO left over when only carrying fuel because it carries the destination fuel in the same tanks as the "get there" fuel
this means you can load it the fuck up with non-fuel cargo if you don't need fuel in orbit

[Anonymous No.10768554]

ya'll wanted to know what Starship and Super Heavy would look like after returning
well, here's a good idea, check out the stainless nose cap on the fairing:

[Anonymous No.10768672]

>>10768554
Thanks Elon, very cool!

[Anonymous No.10768712]

>turkey building a rocket
Literally everyone has started doing this shit now and its all your fault newspacefags.
Now instead of proper superpowers only space program focused on SCIENCE every human garbage including religious cults will start going for space for whatever bullshit reasons they have.
Have fun with the hell you've created in case governments act too slowly to stop it.

[Anonymous No.10768730]

>>10768246
My guess (at least with the paintings) is that they don't go too much into detail leaving parts kinda fuzzy (which is also a consequence of the medium). That paired with the images exploring concepts make them feel dream-like and wonderful.

[Anonymous No.10768765]

>rocket flying our payload out of the spaceport in New Mexico aborted mid flight again
Atleast their recovery system is really reliable. Their rocket blows off its nosecone and uses a GPS guided parachute to land. Nose cone also has a parachute but it landed way off this time.

[Anonymous No.10768770]

>>10768712
I can't tell if it's bait but it sure is funny

[Anonymous No.10768775]

>>10768765
I think it's amazing that "oh no our engine gimbal is mondo-fucked" was a recoverable situation for them that didn't result in loss of rocket or payload

[Anonymous No.10768786]

>>10768770
It's probably bait, but if he's serious then he should look past at the last 50 years when the US government had dominance in space. Could barely get to LEO, intentionally used an unsafe vehicle, supressed private launch companies, and now is struggling to build a rocket from pre-existing parts. Not saying that the government can't do space well, but they're far from perfect.

[Anonymous No.10768806]

>>10768765
We were watching the SARGE launch in the previous thread; funny stuff

[Anonymous No.10768810]

>>10768775
They're still unsure of what happened and itll be a few days before we get word about it. I talked to one of them afterwards when they were recovering our payload and they believe a gimbal / actuator broke after it landed. We were watching from the space center terminal and it looked like the rocket literally turned sideways during flight, so it could be their control loop overcorrecting hardcore. Another idea we had was their CG could be off but who knows.

Happened in March as well but it flew higher atleast. They're really kind and genuinely cool people to be around, so I'm hoping they can work the kinks out by their next time in September.

[Anonymous No.10768815]

>>10768810
yeah it looks like they have the "produces thrust" and "doesn't explode" part of the whole rocket thing down, which are the hardest parts, and the rest is just control issues

[Anonymous No.10768816]

>>10768806
It's nice to see people on here were watching. I can dump a few more pictures.

We actually got to carry the payload section in the back of our car the morning of the flight.

[Anonymous No.10768831]

>>10768816
I can summarize my reaction to the livestream for you here

[Anonymous No.10768842]

>>10768815
routh hurwitz is scary stuff my dude.

[Anonymous No.10768854]

The payload section without the skin. The lower section is a ours and the upper section is this like 3 layered compartment with lots of small payloads, it's a very kind of janky setup for the smaller payloads but they manage to accommodate just about everyone on there. They even drilled a hole on the side of the payload skin so one of them could broadcast some signal out of it.

[Anonymous No.10768872]

>>10768854
>Exos mentioned in the stream that they're working towards getting ITAR permits and stuff for Jaguar
>Some anon posts pics of their hardware on 4channel

not sure if you're in your right to do this but I find it funny

[Anonymous No.10768885]

We have these experiment cells inside of our payload that float on spring mounts, when the rocket reaches apogee and we get good microgravity they're intended to float to let the particles collide and aggregate in them. This is a pic from when the parachute deployed, the tray flew up and slammed against the top, nearly hit one of our picams.

>>10768872
They let everyone take and post pics there, they're very chill people. I'm sure jaguar and all that is gonna be more top secret.

[Anonymous No.10768890]

Also, sorry if it seems like I'm attention whoring. I just love sharing the stuff I do.

[Anonymous No.10768899]

>>10768890
nah it's really cool.
Tell em to put some safety wire on those bolts; then they're a REAL aerospace company

[Anonymous No.10768914]

>>10768890
>shares something none of us could have ever seen before
>worries about attention whoring
it's new and that's good, so whore all you want

[Anonymous No.10768948]

>>10768890
I'm fine with that even if it is
your fueling procedure looked kind of unsafe tho
also dumping both fuel and oxygen at the same time

[Anonymous No.10768949]

>>10768219
Kek

[Anonymous No.10768950]

>>10768885
>>10768890
Awesome, jelly of your job man

[Anonymous No.10768962]

>>10768890
MOAR
O
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[Anonymous No.10768965]

>>10768948
he's the customer, the payload guy, not EXOS
the payload was lame, most sounding rocket payloads are

[Anonymous No.10768988]

>>10768712

[Anonymous No.10768995]

>>10768219
what the fuck it's not photoshop
literally a meme crater

[Anonymous No.10769002]

>>10768965
The research we do is actually really cool, it might seem lame but we get some really cool videos and interesting results from them and have fun doing it atleast. Plus it's a testbed for our cubesat, so it has multiple functions.

[Anonymous No.10769004]

Can i get s TLDR of whats going on in the posts above me? D

[Anonymous No.10769006]

>>10769002
explain it if it's so cool

[Anonymous No.10769011]

>>10769004
EXOS launched its SARGE sounding rocket vehicle yesterday. They had a control problem, but the parachute recovery worked. Some anon had a payload onboard

[Anonymous No.10769012]

My flight is boarding so last pic I can post. The spaceport has kino architecture.

[Anonymous No.10769014]

>>10769004
payload guy from the last SARGE launch (which went completely sideways and had to abort but survived) is posting on /sci/ for some strange reason

[Anonymous No.10769025]

>>10769006
Well so we study the phase of planetary formation where particles are of such little mass that gravity plays no influence on their aggregation, its not a very well understood part of planetary formation (search up the meter size barrier) and we design experiments to study the interactions of these particles and regoliths in microgravity.

In one of our videos we got from this flight, even though it was a very violent flight, we saw some really interesting electrostatic interactions that lead to some smaller particles we had forming skirts around larger ones.

[Anonymous No.10769043]

Kilopower nuclear reactor new video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TL7eUh4yuI

[Anonymous No.10769047]

>>10768890
>attention whoring
>shares pics and story in /sfg/
we want moar!

[Anonymous No.10769063]

>I grow stronger

[Anonymous No.10769066]

>>10768854
>shockwatch
I'm going to guess this picture is from before launch.

[Anonymous No.10769075]

>>10768890
>Also, sorry if it seems like I'm attention whoring.
Do you see the subject line of this thread?
On the 4channels OC is gold.

[Anonymous No.10769078]

>>10769012
Saw that building in a movie,did not think it was real.

[Anonymous No.10769103]

>>10769043
Neat toy.

[Anonymous No.10769151]

>>10769043
>>10769103
Any idea how practical it would be to scale up this design? Would you bother with a stirling engine or just make a PWR or whatever at that point?

[Anonymous No.10769182]

>>10769002
>raspberry pi
wtf?

[Anonymous No.10769262]

>>10769151
Well >>10769103 doesn't cool itself with a stirling engine, it's just a hint that Kilopower is a toy that cannot be scaled. That pic related a Russian nuclear electric propulsion spacecraft for space with 1MW of electrical power. Like JIMO, but it's actually being developed. The distinctive feature was an open-loop droplet radiator (basically a cooling shower) which significantly increases radiating surface to mass ratio. They performed many experiments with droplets on the ISS to determine if it's worth it (that's regarding the ISS usefulness). However, being Russians, they encountered money/management issues and will go for a large solid radiator the first time, scaling the prototype design down. AFAIK they already got the thrusters and most of the reactor working, the thermal to electric conversion ratio will be 4:1, which seems pretty good. However, the actual spacecraft has been delayed for 3 years since Roscosmos seems to be unable to tie their own shoes lately.

It's called TEM, it's being developed for several years already, they want to use it as a space tug. (actually I believe they don't have many uses for it, it seems to be just a lot of pork, not some kind of a commercial project)

>>10769182
What's wrong with RPi?

[Anonymous No.10769268]

>>10769025
Sounds like some neat stuff your working on, hope you get some clean results my man

[Anonymous No.10769271]

>>10769262
Someone didn't watch the video or doesn't understand what the purpose of the HUGE RADIATOR attached to the reactor unit is.

[Anonymous No.10769272]

>>10767650

[Anonymous No.10769277]

>>10769103
nice drawing. Kilopower has actually been tested, that's just a drawing.

[Anonymous No.10769281]

>>10769277
every part of this thing has actually been tested as well

[Anonymous No.10769314]

>>10768810
Those look like yellow wire crimps on the red wire
running through the middle. I hope I'm wrong and just need more pixels.

[Anonymous No.10769316]

>>10769281
bullshit. Those liquid droplet radiators have most certainly not been tested.

[Anonymous No.10769321]

>>10769262
>What's wrong with RPi?
nothing, but how can you use it in a space application? It isn't radhard or anything.

[Anonymous No.10769322]

>>10768854
jesus, a raspberry pi? who sent that up?

[Anonymous No.10769334]

>>10769262
>What's wrong with RPi?

Nothing is wrong with a Pi, it all depends on what the board is being used for.
It is cheap and powerful, a useful combination. It has been getting a bad name for so many idiots buying one and going "LoOk i mAdE LeD fLaSh!" and asking how to play games on it.

[Anonymous No.10769339]

>>10769316
They've been ground tested in 2018
https://www.rt.com/news/442521-nuclear-propulsion-system-russia/
(sorry for RT, the only piece I can find in English, the actual source is the govt spending report)
also, they tested its prototypes on ISS for years
still, the droplet radiator won't make it into the prototype since they've missed the deadline

>>10769321
You don't need rad hardening as long as you don't orbit inside any of the Van Allen belts for an extended amount of time. It's a suborbital rocket which doesn't get anywhere near the belts. Literal iPads work on the ISS just fine for years. Most cubesats use consumer-grade electronics as well.

[Anonymous No.10769350]

>>10769339
>rpi
Then what about temperature? And shaking?

[Anonymous No.10769370]

>>10769350
Yeah that can be a problem, but I'm sure they thought this out before using it. I even remember Copenhagen Suborbitals using Arduino boards in their thrusters (!), I don't think it will pose a problem if handled correctly.

Hell, even JPL considered using GoPros and PointGrey Chameleons on board of the Mars 2020 during EDL, pic related.

[Anonymous No.10769383]

>>10769350
Shaking could pop components loose, but I could hope they have been lab tested to withstand the g's and vibrations caused by the rocket.
This is a small rocket, not a Falcon9 were talking about here.

The biggest issue with a Pi is if the board is running Raspian (Or another Unix based OS), is the lack of real-time support in the OS. The system sucks for critical I/O timing Its fine for logging data with an accelerometer or other sensors, but terrible for using that data to control stability real time.

[Anonymous No.10769400]

>>10769383
That assumes they are using it for real-time applications. It's worth remembering the rocket is reusable and the payload is supposed to return as well

[Anonymous No.10769404]

>>10769350
I'm the payload guy, we have rpis on lots of our flight experiments and they're extremely reliable. Our cubesat has one and it's been through vibe testing like 9 times.

>>10769370
Our payload originally used gopros but we switched to picams because the gopros ended up being super unreliable.

>>10769322
They work and they work well!

>>10769321
On our cubesat we used tantalum foil on all the chips to rad protect it.

[Anonymous No.10769419]

>>10767677
lewd

[Anonymous No.10769420]

>>10769404
>On our cubesat we used tantalum foil on all the chips to rad protect it.
I was under impression that you don't need the protection for anything lower than the belts because there's not much lower energy particles there, and you can't protect it against high energy events with a reasonable amount of any material

[Anonymous No.10769426]

>>10769400
Yes, that is assuming, no all bets are off. They are just fine for data logging, and as >>10769404
said, they use the picams over gopros for reliability. Perfect use.

My point was that the Raspian OS that is default for the Pi can't do real-time processing on board. So I was assuming it was being used for non critical services.

[Anonymous No.10769443]

>>10769063
what is growing, a launch tower?

[Anonymous No.10769453]

>>10769443
I think it's just so that workers won't have to use a billion different scissor lifts to work on the ship

[Anonymous No.10769456]

>>10769339
>Van Allen belt
Every "we never landed on the moon" type bitches about the Van Allen belt,I have so little idea what that is,someone pls splain.
Why is it so deadly when the dudes that landed on the moon are old men with no cancer.
Also,I knew a few people that think there is no such thing as space.
Coworker #1:Why do call that a 1 1/2" wrench,that thing is as long as my arm?(It was a looong wrench)
Me:The 1 1/2" refers to the amount of space between the...
Coworker #3:THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SPACE!

[Anonymous No.10769466]

>>10769456
Okay, so Earth is really unique in that its core spins, which causes the planet to function li,e a giant electromagnet. This is good for life, because it pushes all the crappy deep space radiation and solar wind away, keeping out atmosphere from getting eroded away by solar wind and keeping us nice and non-irradiated.

However, all those radioactive deep-space Ray's have got to go somewhere when they slam into the Earth's magnetic field, and some of them get stuck in the "gaps" of the upper levels of Earth's magnetic field. Thus you've got a big zone of space chock-full of radioactive particles: the Van Allen belts.

[Anonymous No.10769485]

>>10769456
>someone pls splain
earth is a huge ass magnet due to its rotating ferromagnetic core
electrons and ions have the electric charge so they interact with this magnet, riding along the magnetic lines (actually arcs spanning the near earh space from north to south and back)
it's like a scientific particle accelerator but much bigger
the inner belt carries positively charged particles, the outer one carried negatively charged ones (electrons) and is much more energetic
the belt is not "radioactive" itself, but when you're inside it, the particles hit the spacecraft causing the ionizing radiation

>Why is it so deadly when the dudes that landed on the moon are old men with no cancer.
they are only deadly if you stay inside
they are relatively harmless if you're quickly crossing them on your way outside

Jupiter is a much stronger magnet due to its humongous rotating metallic hydrogen core so even crossing its belt is like being inside a working nuclear reactor (that's why Juno cameras are supposed to fail after several revolutions due to radiation)

[Anonymous No.10769493]

>>10769485
>(that's why Juno cameras are supposed to fail after several revolutions due to radiation)
Speaking of which, due to Juno's much longer orbit has anything failed yet on it?

[Anonymous No.10769516]

>>10769339
>>special space propulsion system, which uses a 1 megawatt nuclear fusion reactor as source of energy
QUALITY REPORTING. Kilopower has been tested as a complete and integrated system. I'll bet the russki's haven't even tested a reactor

[Anonymous No.10769559]

>>10769516
Yeah, they only tested its turbomachinery so far http://www.atomic-energy.ru/news/2019/01/24/92025 the actual reactor test is planned later this year, and the spacecraft won't be ready until 2023 at best because Keldysh Research Center delayed the key research for several years

the main problem is not the tech, but russians and their oldspace, they are never efficient
everyone close to the project says it's buried under a bureaucratic Everest and a ton of corruption, as it's always happens
so they kind of know how to make it, but move with glacial speed
the positive side is that it's an actual fucking JIMO, and it's at least half ready (propulsion, cooling, most of the reactor).

[Anonymous No.10769560]

>>10769485
>relatively harmless if you're quickly crossing them
They look/seem pretty big,did not think you could traverse quickly.
Thanks,bruh.

[Anonymous No.10769566]

>>10769485
lol

[Anonymous No.10769595]

>>10769560
They actually are quite large, but the intensity is wildly different. And you're crossing them really quickly, yes. Additionally, Apollo trajectories were specifically designed to avoid the most intense parts

[Anonymous No.10769666]

>>10769595
So some parts are deadly,some are just belligerent?
Makes sense.
Thanks bro.
Pls enjoy the most spess related pic I have that is not Hyabusa

[Anonymous No.10769678]

>>10769321
sounding rocket, not orbital cubesat

[Anonymous No.10769686]

>>10769456
>1 1/2" wrench
that's pussy shit, 48" pipe wrench biiiiitch

[Anonymous No.10769693]

>>10769566
>the hubcaps

[Anonymous No.10769704]

>>10769686
48" bolt size?
You win.

>>10769693
Elio Gazpacho caught them before they hit the ocean. (He had his nephews run around and grab them.)

[Anonymous No.10769749]

>>10769704
>48" bolt size?
1 1/2-2" bolt size. 48" length. Manufacturing machine.

[Anonymous No.10769752]

>>10769686
>48" pipe wrench biiiiitch
You asshole! this was about not the length of the handle,but the open part of the wrench!

[Anonymous No.10769755]

>>10767675
Shit I've got space weapons or something will dig it out when I've got the chance

[Anonymous No.10769764]

>>10769749
oh.
I had a bad day.
My Friend worked on repair works on skyscrapers,just assumed you knew about giant nuts/bolts.
I'm going to sleep now.
Have a nice day.

[Anonymous No.10769921]

>>10769704
nah, pipe wrenches are measured by the length of their handles
this was for like 5" pipe

[Anonymous No.10769929]

>>10769764
I googled it
https://youtu.be/UbVk0eBBcss
I remember a larger one at my shipyard job, I'm going to see how big they make them

[Anonymous No.10769937]

I did some googling and the biggest one I've been able to find is a 60" pipe wrench, which weighs 23 kilos (50 pounds)
I'm not sure if they had that size or the 48" one
the 60" pipe wrench is for 8" pipe

special mention to this 48" copper nonsparking wrench for working in explosive environments
https://www.intercon1978.com/hardy-tools/becu-tools/pipe-wrenches/htb91301016b-non-sparking-pipe-wrench-48-0---150-mm-be-cu?matchtype=&network=g&device=c&keyword=&campaign=712353588&adgroup=pla-448672256826&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInvLMpMSS4wIVwUoNCh1nlgInEAQYASABEgIVRfD_BwE

[Anonymous No.10770058]

Why isn't anyone planning centrifugal psuedo gravity structures in space?

[Anonymous No.10770065]

>>10770058
s/planning/executing/
there have been plenty of PLANS

[Anonymous No.10770090]

>>10770058
There's probably many complicated reasons, but I'll try to cover the basics.

>The engineering for it hasn't been worked out yet
Even two-cans-attached-via-cable imposes complications to assembly and docking. Not saying that the issue is making spinning space stations impossible, it's just an issue that no-one has worked out the subtle nuances yet.

>There's no immediate need
The growth of more space stations is glacial at best. Once there are more people spending more time in space, then there will be the need for spinning stations, but right now there isn't a need.

>There's no immediate interest
There are very few players in the aerospace industry who are both interested in space stations AND can make one. Most of the players who meet those criteria are only interested in the ISS and LOP-G.

And that last one is the crux of the issue. The players who are only interested in the ISS and LOP-G aren't really into those projects for their cutting edge technology. They're mainly interested in securing funding for their agencies and no more. Why do you think the ISS spent 30 years relearning how bad micro-g is despite Mir doing all of that earlier?

Hopefully this will all change in a couple of years. I'm going to be really disappointed if I die without anything big happening in aerospace. And I mean Apollo big, not some probe that'll putt around an area less than a Midwest highway town in the span of 5 years.

[Anonymous No.10770181]

it's asteroid day. This day commemorates the 111th anniversary of a celestial body making sweet love to Tunguska at high velocity.

[Anonymous No.10770185]

>>10770181
>Implying it wasn't a Russian secret weapon.

[Anonymous No.10770190]

>>10770185
Vodka distilling accident.

[Anonymous No.10770202]

>>10770190
Of course it was a vodka distilling accident. Tunguska had the worlds largest vodka production plant in the world to fill the taps of millions of homes with vodka. However, after the incident, Russia banned large vodka facilities for safety. This unfortunately forced the taps to be repiped for plain water. The asteroid was a hoax to cover the accident so that Russian vodka for export wouldn't be seen as dangerous.

[Anonymous No.10770242]

>>10768890
youre making rockets. its literally what this general was made for. if anything, more people need to be like you.

[Anonymous No.10770246]

>>10770242
actually he's just buying rockets, try to keep up

[Anonymous No.10770252]

>>10770246
money makes the rockets.

[Anonymous No.10770280]

>>10769466
>>10769485
The cool part is that it is possible to "drain" the radioactive crap away and make them safe in just a few weeks. But you have to keep draining or it will just fill up again.

[Anonymous No.10770362]

rate the realism of this Chinese multiplayer space gun shooty game coming out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4qMsE8ZaQ8

[Anonymous No.10770386]

Taco truck was back at Boca Chica today

[Anonymous No.10770477]

>>10770246
Actually we bought a slot on their rocket and they have a contract with us to fulfill certain flight conditions for our payload.

[Anonymous No.10770494]

>>10770386
>Brisket
>Fajita
droooool...
t.texan

[Anonymous No.10770504]

>>10770494
gotta keep the workers well-fed.

[Anonymous No.10770520]

>>10770362
looks like Shattered Horizon all over again
probably will be a flop as well

[Anonymous No.10770526]

>>10770504
I had never heard of "sincronizadas" or "discada" before. Discada seems to be a sort of wok style of cooking, so not sure what that would be as a menu item, and "sincronizadas" seems to be sort of a quesadilla version of a ham and cheese sandwich.

[Anonymous No.10770530]

>>10770526
I mean they're literally two miles from the border so I'd expect taco trucks down there are more Mexican than usual

[Anonymous No.10770546]

>>10769929
Thank you for this video,I would have never found it.
6:25 tee hee!
>Doing what every youtuber says you should never do...
If you never put a pipe on a wrench,then you haven't lived life.

[Anonymous No.10770547]

>>10770181
This guy is an amazing artist

[Anonymous No.10770551]

>>10770546
one time I put a pipe on a wrench and then had two grown men stand on it

[Anonymous No.10770555]

>>10769937
>48" copper nonsparking wrench
$1,400.
I'll take my my chances.

[Anonymous No.10770557]

>>10770181
braaap

[Anonymous No.10770558]

>>10770547
EVERYTHING JUST KEEPS TUMBLING DOWN, IT ALL GOES BACK TO NOTHING!

What really gets me here is the shockwave propagating through our thin bubble of an atmosphere

[Anonymous No.10770567]

>>10770551
That sounds like a giggle fest.

[Anonymous No.10770572]

>>10770567
bitch was fucking stuck, and we didn't have torch lines run up the boat at the time
we were swearing at this thing, and I was the only man who could maneuver without throwing out his back
there was no giggling to be had

[Anonymous No.10770573]

>>10768245

Today is Canada Day. I wish to take this opportunity to thank Canada for making the Canadarm.

[Anonymous No.10770575]

that's a good look, right there

[Anonymous No.10770616]

>>10770575
What are we looking at here, a fairing?

[Anonymous No.10770671]

>>10770362
MMU has 25 m/s delta V. So no flying around like that. Not on cold gas. Maybe something a bit stronger would work. Grappling hook is a pretty good idea. The stick boom concept for space debris retrieval, which has been demonstrated on parabolic flights is relevant here. Might not work as the boom could buckle.

[Anonymous No.10770950]

[Anonymous No.10771003]

>>10770616
FH fairing half on Ms Tree

[Anonymous No.10771026]

>>10771003
nope, that's the GO Navigator fairing half, it's the half that landed in the water and was picked up by the dragon recovery boats.

[Anonymous No.10771035]

>>10771026
Ah yes, I didn’t look at the photo closely.
Seems to have taken a bit of a beating

[Anonymous No.10771043]

>>10771035
yeah that's a fucked up fairing, bruh

[Anonymous No.10771344]

FUG! Those damn Germans are halting their own torpor experiments:
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-48747585
Understanding torpor would allow us to more cheaply ship meatbags around the solar system. Maybe one day even you could have a hole put in ya for nutrient supplies, get gassed, and put in a freezer with hundreds of other people for 'economy class' travel to mars.

[Anonymous No.10771366]

>>10771344
well, the first hibernate pods will be quite crude contraptions.

[Anonymous No.10771455]

>>10771344
schlafen macht frei

[Anonymous No.10771503]

>>10771455
oh you

[Anonymous No.10771519]

>>10771344
wow, Germany is so cucked nowadays, von Brain must be rolling in his grave

[Anonymous No.10771633]

What's the updates on this troublesome telescope? Will it make it?

[Anonymous No.10771669]

>>10771633
>yfw it will fail to deploy

[Anonymous No.10771707]

>>10771669
I think I'd rather see it blow up on the rocket than get there then fail at folding out

[Anonymous No.10771728]

>>10767661

[Anonymous No.10771733]

>>10771707
I'd rather see it not fail at all.

[Anonymous No.10771736]

>>10771728

[Anonymous No.10771738]

>>10771733

Perhaps if it fails, it will teach NASA that we need orbital assembly instead of hugely expensive single point of failure satellites.

[Anonymous No.10771740]

[Anonymous No.10771747]

>>10771738
Or that chasing ~100% reliability is pointless and that cheaper space equipment is the way to go. But, call me a pessimist, if JWST fails then it'll probably convince the US government to spend more money on fewer "specially selected" projects, or worse give up on space projects unless they're proven to be super reliable even if their scope is limited (i.e. like the ISS).

[Anonymous No.10771771]

>>10771738
yeah, then all you need is a bunch of points of failure when getting supplies up to the assembly area

[Anonymous No.10771790]

>>10771771
Well, the most likely point of failure on JWST is the fold out shield. Which can be fixed if the telescope were assembled in LEO.

[Anonymous No.10771800]

Orion abort test seems stupid. Why not test the parachute recovery in conjunction? They’re letting the boilerplate capsule impact the ocean. Reminds me of the testing in Pentagon Wars on the Bradley. “Oh, we need to test things separately”

[Anonymous No.10771823]

>>10771790
>Well, the most likely point of failure on JWST is the fold out shield. Which can be fixed if the telescope were assembled in LEO.

None of the systems are designed to work that way. All of the interfaces for the communications, data storage, etc are in the spacecraft bus and all of the subsequent wiring and plumbing for the electronics subsystems go along with it. It's not just a dumb mirror and a few motors being strapped onto that sun shield.

[Anonymous No.10771865]

>>10771823

Of course its designed like that, if its meant to launch wholly directly to its destination. If it was designed to be assembled and tested in LEO before getting a second stage to destination, it would look different and much more reliable.

[Anonymous No.10771871]

>>10771865
Probably wouldn't be more reliable, to be honest. The really limiting thing with JWST is the ultra tight mass margins of the spacecraft, dictated by the choice of launch vehicle. If they hadn't had to invent ridiculous bullshit like almost-zero-shrink cryogenic composite structures and other technologies from scratch, it wouldn't have been so difficult to come up with a working version of the spacecraft design.

[Anonymous No.10771876]

>>10771865
>much more reliable.
I don't think that a Jwst that's designed to be assembled in LEO would be more reliable than the Jwst now. In fact, it'll probably be less reliable due to it having to be designed to be disassemblable. However, such a Jwst would be cheaper because it wouldn't need to be super reliable. Any problems encountered while building and testing it in orbit could be fixed.

[Anonymous No.10771880]

>>10771871

You can circumvent mass margins by assembling the spacecraft from modules launched separately.

[Anonymous No.10771881]

>>10771876

>However, such a Jwst would be cheaper because it wouldn't need to be super reliable. Any problems encountered while building and testing it in orbit could be fixed.

This.

[Anonymous No.10771960]

>>10771747
>100% reliability is pointless and that cheaper space equipment is the way to go
Thats pretty much whats going to happen anyway now that the private sector is getting involved on a larger scale.

[Anonymous No.10771968]

>>10771881
That would involve a larger spacestation, with a fuel depot, and idealy some kind of pressurized space dock so that the assembly goes much faster without the need for eva's.

You only get all of that when payload to orbit gets several times cheaper then its now.

[Anonymous No.10771991]

>>10771747
100% reliability on absolutely anything is utterly futile
there will always be that one asshole part that ruins it all

[Anonymous No.10771994]

>>10771633
They say 2021, but they lie a lot

[Anonymous No.10772001]

>>10771991
>there will always be that one asshole part that ruins it all
>Insight's FW

[Anonymous No.10772108]

>>10770950
God damn, that thing is going to be huge once they stack it.

[Anonymous No.10772152]

should NASA have been disbanded after the Columbia disaster?

[Anonymous No.10772157]

Solar sail deployment WHEN

[Anonymous No.10772163]

>>10772152
Columbine was a true tragedy and the fact that NASA got off scott free shows that they are not accountable for their actions.

[Anonymous No.10772168]

>>10772108
thats kind of the point.

>>10772152
No, that would just be turning nasa in the scapegoat while all the other get off scot free.
Nasa needs a serious cleansing of all those old space fuckers who are just in it for a steady paycheck and gave given up a long time ago and even try and keep young talent down.

[Anonymous No.10772179]

>>10772163
>>10772168
no. NASA should have been gotten rid of entirely. it had a blatant disregard for safety and compliance and violated every single safety regulation since the apollo days. NASA hasnt done anything good for spaceflight since apollo, and now it still violates safety protocol for greed. disband it.

[Anonymous No.10772186]

>>10772168
NASA was fully responsible for both challenger and Columbia. everyone who worked there should have been arrested and put in prison.

[Anonymous No.10772206]

Is there bigger laughing stock than this?

[Anonymous No.10772208]

>>10772206
america.

[Anonymous No.10772243]

>>10772206
Ariane 6 being designed for MOAR HUGE GEO SATS

[Anonymous No.10772283]

>>10771738
>>orbital assembly
is being investigated now to make 100 meter space telescopes. However, it's not good enough today to make space telescopes.
>>10771790
>>10771865
>>assembled in LEO
great, then it could fall apart when you attempt to move it to L2. Even with orbital assembly you still have to deal with aligning the mirrors to within a wavelength of light. Got it aligned? Now that could change when you attempt to move it.
>>10771747
>> cheaper space equipment is the way to go
good fucking luck with making a space telescope cheaper. Big apertures mean everything.

[Anonymous No.10772303]

>>10772206
>Is there bigger laughing stock than this?
Your life

[Anonymous No.10772352]

>>10772283
Why would you do this and not use interferometry.

[Anonymous No.10772418]

>>10772352
because while your synthesized aperture is bigger, meaning you make out smaller angular resolutions, you won't necessarily be collecting more light meaning that you can't make out dim objects. If you collect as much light as a single aperture telescope there aren't many advantages. Now you need to keep the optical paths between everything equal to within a wavelength of light. If you're formation flying this is very difficult and so is pointing at things. If you are building everything attached to a frame, you might as well just build a large single aperture telescope.

[Anonymous No.10772549]

[Anonymous No.10772568]

>>10769426
>Raspian OS that is default for the Pi can't do real-time processing on board
Do you have more information so I can check this out?

[Anonymous No.10772595]

>>10771344
>ethics of animal testing
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

[Anonymous No.10772644]

>>10772549
So they are building a NASA-like structure?

[Anonymous No.10772664]

>>10772644
That's the framework for their Vehicle Assembly Tent.

[Anonymous No.10773027]

*boops ur snoot*

psh, nothing personal, babe

[Anonymous No.10773034]

>>10772595

Stop being edgy. You openly wish suffering upon other subjects who can feel pain, in order to increase your own pleasure. This has been logically shown (Spinoza) to be immoral, which is the highest intellectual consideration, an order of magnitude above science.

[Anonymous No.10773040]

>>10773034
Check out how much of the makeup you buy is tested on animals, lady. If you got a better idea on how to test shit please, I'm all ears, not even memeing if there's an alternative that produces similar or superior results I'd like to know about it because I'd advocate for that over spraying Ax body spray in a chimp's retinas.

[Anonymous No.10773046]

>>10773040

It's interesting that you take the advancement of technology as an unquestionable imperative. Please feel free to expound upon your error in the usual ways.

[Anonymous No.10773055]

>>10773046
>It's interesting that you take the advancement of technology as an unquestionable imperative
Why?

[Anonymous No.10773056]

>>10773055

Because it is patently untrue.

[Anonymous No.10773058]

>>10773056
That's a pretty dumb opinion for someone on the internet to hold, let alone on a board dedicated to the discussion of science.
Post your tits and we'll talk hun.

[Anonymous No.10773071]

>>10772549
So they want to hide the abomination that they're creating at boca chica.

[Anonymous No.10773082]

>>10768786
Probably worth pointing out that nasa had an unequalled program of interplanetary probes during that time period though.

[Anonymous No.10773089]

>>10773058

There is no hypocrisy here, just as Rand was no hypocrite for taking social security (money that had already been stolen, and which was available for appropriation). The invented man/woman canard is also bad faith, as all intelligent men know. What you've failed to defend is the notion that technological advancement is an unquestionable imperative, which it isn't. Try to be a bit more creative over your next few replies apart from Science Is Cool/Hedonic impulses. I'll check back on your progress, probably after the thread has expired.

[Anonymous No.10773094]

>>10773089
>What you've failed to defend is the notion that technological advancement is an unquestionable imperative
Curious as to why you think I should. We're still on the up-slope of technological advancement and I see no reason for grumbling about that.
Everything else you posted reeks of abjectly terrible bait so I won't bother engaging, just want to know why you think we should peak technologically and just settle into that being the norm until the sun expands and boils the world.

[Anonymous No.10773096]

>>10773034
>Moralfags holding back human advancements because muh rats

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.10773099]

>>10773094

Got it, Science Is Cool/Hedonism/tautology/anyone who would feign disagreement is an ungrateful woman. Gratz on being a mental bugman useful only to the politicians and billionaires who will achieve a nascent form of "biological immortality" on the backs of their stupid beta cucks who were all about Coulda, not about Shoulda.

>b-but quality of life is better

[Anonymous No.10773106]

>>10773099
Oh, it's just shitposting, gotcha. Blame the alcohol on my taking your seriously for even a moment.

[Anonymous No.10773113]

>>10772664
Nice

[Anonymous No.10773139]

If humans built spaceships would they build them like this, or like this?

[Anonymous No.10773141]

>>10773139
Isn't it the same thing depending on perspective?

[Anonymous No.10773177]

>>10773139
Why do you need a fin in space?

[Anonymous No.10773184]

>>10773177
To look cool, also paint flames on the sides to make it go faster.

[Anonymous No.10773216]

>>10773184
If you want a faster spaceship why not paint it red?

[Anonymous No.10773218]

>>10773216
Red with badass flames, and a spoiler too.

[Anonymous No.10773253]

>>10773177
To make shark noises ofcourse

[Anonymous No.10773283]

>>10773139
Figure A because vertically arranged decks are better during acceleration.

[Anonymous No.10773347]

>>10770386

[Anonymous No.10773356]

>>10773347
How many servings is that?

[Anonymous No.10773360]

>>10773356
3-4 standard
.5 American

[Anonymous No.10773362]

>>10772549
Those cranes are fully erect

[Anonymous No.10773368]

>>10773347
i got heartburn just watching that

[Anonymous No.10773380]

>>10773347
1 standard American serving

[Anonymous No.10773391]

Artemis Abort Test Now !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21X5lGlDOfg

[Anonymous No.10773395]

>>10773391
The virgin SLS
The CHAD Sea Dragon

[Anonymous No.10773396]

>>10773391
Someone please tell me what im looking at

[Anonymous No.10773399]

>>10773396
An ICBM booster, with a boilerplate of Orion on top.

[Anonymous No.10773414]

>>10773391
dammit I think I missed it

[Anonymous No.10773416]

>>10773399
I know they wanted to test just the LES, but why not wait a bit or at least put parachutes in to simulate an actual escape.

[Anonymous No.10773491]

I hope you guys like what's coming.

[Anonymous No.10773499]

HOP WHEN?

[Anonymous No.10773520]

>>10773499
That oxidizer rich preburner is burning the pump.
Raptor is rip
AAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.10773545]

>>10773520
There is no indication that this is the case right now. One stator failure is known, but the failure was reportedly mechanical, rather than metal combustion.

[Anonymous No.10773550]

>>10773545
S-sure bud.

On the note of today's successful abort test, how will SpaceX do this with starship?
I don't see them being human certified by current nasa standards.

[Anonymous No.10773554]

>>10773034
Fucking kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.10773556]

>>10773141
Of course not, based retard. One is parallel to the direction of thrust, and the other is perpendicular.

[Anonymous No.10773560]

>10773550
FUD posting intensifies

[Anonymous No.10773562]

>>10773550
>On the note of today's successful abort test, how will SpaceX do this with starship?
I don't know, but I guess that Starship will have enough thrust to push itself off Super Heavy during a launch abort. Perhaps SpaceX would just do that as a test maybe with some weights to simulate a payload.

>I don't see them being human certified by current nasa standards.
IIRC SpaceX isn't interested in meeting NASAs human spaceflight standards with BFR.

[Anonymous No.10773578]

>10773560
Gib (You)

[Anonymous No.10773598]

>>10772568
https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/sites/default/files/presentations/Steven_Doran_SCALE_13x.pdf
The Raspberry Pi HARDWARE can support time critical functions, but it has to be programmed 'bare-metal' for a specific job. The Raspian OS is a general OS to do a little of everything.

[Anonymous No.10773651]

>>10773414
the youtube stream supports rewinding up to like 10 hours, so you can always rewind and watch it

[Anonymous No.10773707]

>>10773560
>FUD means things I don't like

[Anonymous No.10773713]

>>10773651
But it's just not quite the same as watching it live

[Anonymous No.10773725]

>>10773707
FUD means you're spreading rumors of bad news for a party you don't like without substantiation and looking for the worst possible spin to explain anything because you hate it.

[Anonymous No.10773744]

>>10773491
what kind of abominations will that be

[Anonymous No.10773808]

>>10773725
Saying Starship wouldn't meet post-Columbia NASA human-rating standards in it's current design isn't FUD, though. It's true.

Shuttle retirement was originally NEXT YEAR. Columbia made NASA decide it was too unsafe to keep flying that long.

[Anonymous No.10773810]

>>10773808
>Saying Starship wouldn't meet post-Columbia NASA human-rating standards in it's current design isn't FUD, though. It's true.

You're not wrong, but that's basically because it doesn't have a launch abort system. The FUD part pertains to the Raptor engine rumor-mongering.

[Anonymous No.10773815]

This Orion abort test cost $256,000,000
https://spaceflightnow.com/2019/07/01/critical-abort-test-of-nasas-orion-crew-capsule-set-for-tuesday/

[Anonymous No.10773819]

>>10773815
I wish I had $256M.

[Anonymous No.10773848]

>>10773815
it's hard to refute the oldspace meme with numbers like that.

[Anonymous No.10773871]

>>10772549
BUILD MORE FASTER!

[Anonymous No.10773874]

>>10773027
Is she the first anime poster?

[Anonymous No.10773883]

>>10773218
SPOILER ALERT!

[Anonymous No.10773918]

>>10773815
why
how

[Anonymous No.10773925]

>>10769262
>Kilopower is a toy that cannot be scaled
True but it can offer about 10x the power of an RTG, doesn't experience the same gradual drop in output over time like an RTG, and doesn't rely on plutonium production like RTG since it uses HEU instead. Kilopower is a wet dream technology for anyone looking to design probes for the outer solar system including everything out to the Kuiper belt, because it can offer enough power to run a legit Ion propulsion system and allow for things like Cassini-style orbiters around the ice giants and Pluto and many other objects. You could even do a fuckhueg Titan probe using a kilopower reactor, imagine a science probe that weighs ~1000 kg but is essentially a quad copter drone taking advantage of Titan's low gravity and thick atmosphere.

[Anonymous No.10773928]

>>10773925
>dragonfly but xbox hueg
you'd need a Saturn relay sat to make it work in winter when it can't see Sol and therefore Terra

[Anonymous No.10774001]

>>10773928
guess what kilopower can help with

[Anonymous No.10774008]

>>10773925
you have to put kilopower far away from the probe. Neutrons kill electronics and can interfere with science experiments. So while you could make a fucking helicarrier probe, practically you can't. But with space probes you can mount the reactor on a long pole.

[Anonymous No.10774068]

>>10773918
>contractors.webm

[Anonymous No.10774073]

>>10774068
>>10773918
>>10773848

[Anonymous No.10774077]

>>10773556
They're the same rocket, one's just pointed horizontal. Are you certain I'm the retard here? Even if you're just talking about how you put the seats in, that only matters for the first couple minutes then becomes irrelevant, but even so make 'em adjustable and there you go, both configurations doable with a release-lever like a lazyboy.

[Anonymous No.10774080]

>>10774073
jesus christ.
what a shit show.
They should replace the SLS fuel with money and burn that instead, probably would be cheaper.

[Anonymous No.10774153]

>>10773925
what about those thin roll solar voltaics? They seem to be the best for mars

[Anonymous No.10774168]

>>10770362
>everyone has fucking million dollar space guns, recoilless rifles mounted to MMUs, grapples, specialized antisatellite tools
>one guy brings a bone stock AK and it just werks

[Anonymous No.10774186]

>>10773089
Hedonism is functionally indistinguishable from utilitarianism in which the chosen value unit is pleasure and prosperity

[Anonymous No.10774189]

>>10774080
If you think that's crazy, you'd be shocked how many components in your car come from a billion different companies in a billion different states.

It's called outsourcing.

[Anonymous No.10774195]

>>10774189
it's called mass production...

[Anonymous No.10774197]

>>10773556
>>10774077
left has decks perpendicular to the thrust vector, right has decks parallel to the thrust vector

right is what appears in most sci-fi, left is what's sensible if we assume vertical landing (and, in the future with more efficient drives, thrust gravity)

[Anonymous No.10774203]

>>10774195
No. Mass production doesn't require outsourcing. See: any car company in the 20th century.

[Anonymous No.10774207]

>>10774189
and outsourcing is supremely inefficient because each level of contracts upon contracts takes their own profit margin, which is why vertical integration is the newest corporate fad

[Anonymous No.10774209]

>>10774203
are you trying to bait me or are you just kind of slow?

[Anonymous No.10774221]

>>10774207
It is a fad, because with outsourcing and using COTS you gain economy of scale.

Some of the silicon valley types pushing for exclusively vertical integration are just getting too into RPing 20th century business tycoons.

[Anonymous No.10774422]

>>10773925
What matters for deep space applications is not the electric power but the thermal to electric conversion efficiency, because if you're inefficient you have to bring more radiators (=mass). Kilopower's Stirling convertor is simple but not very efficient, 4.3 to 1 is meh, it's fine for a ground base but quite poor for nuclear electric propulsion.

Also, 10kW is barely enough for a really light probe. You have to install dozens of those to be able to move anything remotely serious. JIMO with its turbo generator was a much better idea because of the greater efficiency but they cancelled it because even the projected cost was humongous. TEM is practically JIMO but more powerful and many times cheaper (they simply don't have that much money to spend).

>>10774008
That's why both JIMO and TEM look like pic related

[Anonymous No.10774445]

>>10774422
>What matters for deep space applications is not the electric power but the thermal to electric conversion efficiency
Ultimately it's mass to electric power ratio, for a reactor + radiator system
And yeah, any electric thrusters are really power hungry

[Anonymous No.10774487]

>>10774445
Pretty sure even out at Jupiter, thin film solar will outperform these heavy ass kilopower units in terms of power/weight

[Anonymous No.10774534]

>>10774207
>>10774221
Vertical integration & outsourcing both have their places. Outsourcing works best when there is a broad market also buying those products, and you don't need a custom solution. Vertical integration is best when their is a limited market for what you need, and would have to pay to have it custom fit your needs. For example, it makes sense for SpaceX to just buy ordinary scissor-lifts for the guys putting together the Starship prototypes to use, while at the same time building its own rocket engines in-house.

[Anonymous No.10774552]

>>10774487
I wouldn't be so sure about anything past Mars, large solar panels are structurally limited, especially in the vicinity of the large number of perturbing bodies (gas giants and their moons in particular). Besides, SEP is more tricky due to the direct sunlight requirement.

[Anonymous No.10774554]

>>10774487
You're claiming then that kilopower will have a lower power density than an RTG, because the current and next generation of Jovian probes (and beyond) are all nuclear RTG already. That seems dubious.

[Anonymous No.10774556]

>>10774534
In particular Elon just really doesn’t like contractors and buying stuff.

[Anonymous No.10774571]

>>10774556
because when spacex was a startup he kept getting ridiculous quotes from contractors and ended up building a lot of parts in house because of it

spacex only exists because the russians gave him a ridiculous quote on a launch, and he decides he could make his own rocket cheaper

[Anonymous No.10774593]

>>10774571
One of my favorite SpaceX tidbits

>Cost drove lots of decisions, even how the company built its rockets. Once Musk got wind that the air conditioning system used to keep the satellite cool in the rocket’s fairing, or nose cone, was going to cost more than $3 million, he confronted the designer about it.

>“What’s the volume in the fairing?” he wanted to know. The answer: less than that of a house.

>He turned to Shotwell and asked her how much a new air-conditioning system for a house cost.

>“We just changed our air-conditioning,” she replied. “It was six thousand bucks.”

>“Why is this $3 or $4 million when your air conditioning system is $6,000?” he asked. “Go back and figure this out.”

>The company did, buying six commercial A/C units with bigger pumps that could handle a larger airflow.

[Anonymous No.10774609]

>>10774593
My favorite tidbit related to that is the one about the locker latches.

[Anonymous No.10774615]

>>10774609
my favourite part is how russian overconfidence and pride created the impetus for spacex, and now russia is out of the space game entirely

hubris level: 100

[Anonymous No.10774621]

>>10774609
not mr snibbity sneb?

[Anonymous No.10774628]

>>10774621
That's a nice one, but I like the latches more because latches shouldn't be something complex and expensive, but somehow the aerospace industry managed it. I'm not one of those "SpaceX is the best launcher service ever" types, but I'm really glad that they're bringing in simpler and more practical ideas into the aerospace industry and pulling it away from the idea that anything that goes into space must be specialty crafted for it.

[Anonymous No.10774706]

>>10773808
NASA shouldn't be allowed to make regulations, they're a bunch of fucking retards
i hope elon launches from a different country

motorcycles are dangerous too - ride at your own risk

[Anonymous No.10774713]

>>10774615
>one out of the two countries has a functional crew rocket
>and then there's the USA

[Anonymous No.10774727]

>>10774706
That's a bit harsh. Sure, NASA has fumbled alot after Apollo, but they're still a considerable space agency. If given competent management and were allowed to peruse a project without it having to be hamstrung so it'll survive cross-administrations, then they can put SpaceX to shame with what they can do.

[Anonymous No.10774743]

>>10773347
>Listening to No Time For Caution while browsing the thread
>this webm
>the major string swell starts as soon as he starts with the sauce onslaught

I've never been more afraid of a food

[Anonymous No.10774759]

>>10774727
That anon does nothing but bitch about NASA and can be safely ignored.

[Anonymous No.10774804]

>>10774759
yeah i WILL bitch about NASA when they're restricting human spaceflight, get bent you fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.10774817]

>>10774804
I'm sorry that you're like this.

[Anonymous No.10774820]

>>10774593

Having worked at SpaceX this is literally how everything is done and that's how costs is driven down.

[Anonymous No.10774826]

>>10773034
All your vaginal supplies were tested on animals too.

[Anonymous No.10774887]

Do you think the San Pedro workers union is kicking themselves for causing SpaceX to leave?

[Anonymous No.10774894]

>>10774887
>Do you think the San Pedro workers union is kicking themselves for causing SpaceX to leave?

They never will. They'll just look to the next chump to extort until the numbers get low, then they'll extort the remainders for the loss of bribe money, and then they'll blame someone else for the loss of business in their sector. Most people will go way out of their way to never ever blame themselves - especially when they already do wrong for their own benefit.

[Anonymous No.10774936]

>>10774894
I’m sure that in terms of valuable work in super-south Texas, working for a multi billion dollar space Corp is pretty comfy for the equipment operators, welders, and taco caterers compared to on-and-off jobsite gigs/contracts

[Anonymous No.10774969]

new fancy welder

[Anonymous No.10774976]

nice copy pasta nasa

[Anonymous No.10774978]

>>10774976
Should've painted one cherry-red with flames on the sides.

[Anonymous No.10774979]

>>10774713
>Proton sales collapsed faster than the Soviet Union
>Soyuz literally only exists as a stopgap because NASA is funding it
>Angara barely selling
Nice space industry Ivan

[Anonymous No.10775160]

>>10773216
Eggsplain

[Anonymous No.10775167]

>>10775160
I think it's an Ork WH40K reference. Which is funny considering the "trash can" nature of Starhopper.

[Anonymous No.10775168]

>>10774969
that's good, the first one they had looked like a piece of rickety shit
trying to weld such thin metal with a worn out claptrap like that would be a massive pain in the butt

[Anonymous No.10775173]

>>10771344
Should be studying American tree Frogs.

They can survive being 60% frozen for months at a time.

[Anonymous No.10775207]

Elon's said the two sites are functioning as competitive groups on "Starship Type A" and "Starship Type B", right? I wonder if the ramshackle rocket tent memes are a competition on price.

[Anonymous No.10775215]

>>10775207
yeah the funding thing is a mystery, no one knows how it's dolled out between the two. Down the line there might be some shenanigans if there is a limited raptor supply but both teams need them to furnish out ready-to-go prototypes

[Anonymous No.10775218]

>>10775215
Imagine if fucking Elon has it structured so he's just selling both teams Raptors and telling them to go ham. He would do that shit.

[Anonymous No.10775239]

>>10773391
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rfsDMGplZU

[Anonymous No.10775240]

>>10775218
The team that produces the inferior ship is kidnapped in the night from their homes and dropped on the shore of a little island in the Caribbean where Elon is waiting- stark naked and armed with a sword and a Boring Company flamethrower.

The last one alive gets to go work with the team that won, to remind them all what awaits slackers.

[Anonymous No.10775268]

>>10775240
The team that produces an superior ship is the first technical crew to Mars.

[Anonymous No.10775272]

>>10775268
The losing team is executed with raptor tests, like blowing from a cannon.

[Anonymous No.10775385]

>the pentagon is soliciting bids for a space station
>Rob Hoyt, CEO of Tethers Unlimited, said his company intends to bid for Orbital Outpost, and is currently working to align DIU’s interests with the company’s own interests. “We are working on a modular approach to start out small and address some of those opportunities, and that then can be built up over time by adding more modules,” he said. Tethers Unlimited’s products largely target small satellites and cross a wide range, from software-defined radios to a small robotic arm.
https://breakingdefense.com/2019/07/pentagon-eyes-military-space-station/

its a start...

[Anonymous No.10775435]

should the russians have stopped apollo 11 from returning?
they had a perfect chance to do it. they could have collided their luna lander with the acent module and killed the astronauts. sure they would have lost the lander, but they also would have denied the americans the moon landing and stopped them from growing their national pride. i think it would have been well worth it.

[Anonymous No.10775461]

>>10775435
Why not just launch a full nuclear bombardment and save a step?
retard

[Anonymous No.10775463]

>>10775461
>hurr durr a space accident will cause a nuclear war
fuck off cunt. america wouldnt dare try and start a war with anyone, much less the USSR after vietnam. it would have been a win win for russia

[Anonymous No.10775464]

>>10775463
and the world, since it was apollo that turned space exploration from being about science and human engineering into just a show for brownie points.

[Anonymous No.10775467]

>>10775463
>>10775464
Go try /tv/ retard, they always bite

[Anonymous No.10775477]

>>10775464
This anon's correct, America would first completely shitslap the Russians and the proceed to colonize the Moon and Mars entirely to spite the Reds

[Anonymous No.10775479]

>>10775477
>cant even win a war against farmers
>couldnt even go to the moon for more than a few missions without permanently bankrupting their space program
lolno.
space is and always will be russian.

[Anonymous No.10775485]

What are you doing with your life

[Anonymous No.10775491]

>>10775479
The Vietnam War wasn't a war, it was an insurgency. A war with Russia would end with the Soviet state destroyed, but America could never hope to occupy Russia.

[Anonymous No.10775505]

>>10775464
>since it was apollo that turned space exploration from being about science and human engineering into just a show for brownie points.
fucking THIS!
i wish the soviets got to the moon first. not only did they have the more aesthetic rocket but they probably would have done actual science instead of meaningless TV broadcasts

[Anonymous No.10775520]

>>10775485
waiting to be a NEET on Mars too

[Anonymous No.10775526]

>>10775520
What would be different about it

[Anonymous No.10775529]

>>10775526
Gravity

[Anonymous No.10775544]

>>10775526
Nothing but I'd be on Mars

[Anonymous No.10775553]

>>10775526
i wouldnt have to deal with people from earth.

[Anonymous No.10775567]

>>10775553
Yeah you would, unless you went alone.

[Anonymous No.10775578]

>>10775567
well then they arent people on earth, theyre people on mars.

[Anonymous No.10775609]

>>10775578
They're still from Earth

[Anonymous No.10775904]

>>10774887
story?

[Anonymous No.10776039]

>>10767650
>July
>Still no hop
Hop when, you fags?
Is that fud from earlier about raptors burning true
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.10776052]

>>10776039
http://www.co.cameron.tx.us/wp/space-x/

Why are you such a retard?

[Anonymous No.10776211]

>>10775173
torpor is something that's already built into us. Making us like treefrogs would require genetic engineering that is beyond us. Besides, treefrogs might not scale up. It might not be possible to get uniform freezing with human sized chunks of meat.

[Anonymous No.10776280]

Happy 4th to everyone

[Anonymous No.10776349]

>>10776280
Will there be a new thread for the 4th of July?

[Anonymous No.10776438]

>>10776349
This thread should be on page 10 by then, so yeah, unless some faggot starts one sooner.

[Anonymous No.10776526]

>>10776280
TOO SOON!

[Anonymous No.10776545]

>>10774628
that is funny, considering his other company Tesla went to great extremes to make super fancy automated car door handles.

[Anonymous No.10776561]

>>10776545
those actually decrease drag significantly

[Anonymous No.10776569]

>>10776545
Thats because they are for a different market, where people with too much money want fancy door handles and then burn to death in their cars when they cant open them.

[Anonymous No.10776593]

>>10776569
for that authentic Apollo 1 experience!

[Anonymous No.10776632]

>>10776593
>Things I shouldn't find funny, but I do

[Anonymous No.10776661]

>>10776569
No one has burned to death in a Tesla lmao; people die on impact and then the fire happens minutes later. Plus there are manual releases on the inside, at least in the front

[Anonymous No.10776769]

>>10776438
Just for that, here's a new thread aimed at you.


NEW THREAD >>10776767

[Anonymous No.10776781]

@10776769
>page 9
>thinks he is so awesome

[Anonymous No.10776984]

>>10776781
fuck you for cancelling constellation