/ENG/ - Engineering general thread:

[Anonymous No.10765043]

/ENG/ - Engineering general thread: Outsourced edition.

Thread for both /ENG/ students and professionals. Post questions you have, interesting topics, or anything else related to /ENG/.

Previous thread:
>>10728382

[Anonymous No.10765047]

Fucking poo-in-loos. That's engineering related.

[Anonymous No.10765051]

>>10765043
>>10765047
>This just in, poo-in-loos won't stop until rest of world is as shitty as their own country.
Water is wet edition.

[Anonymous No.10765133]

Is EE a meme? I'm a chemE student that's considering switching to cs but EE would take me just as long to complete and seems more versatile.

[Anonymous No.10765163]

>>10765133
You NEED NEED NEED specific skills. I've been unemployed for a year despite around a year programming for a company, because I don't have x y z software software experience. Imagine if you couldn't get a job because your last job used a "too different" kind of centrifuge, or asked for 5 years experience titrating nitric acid.

In my uni it was utterly flooded with normalfags that they explicitly permitted to cheat. I fucking hate my degree because of it. Most of the normalfags got away with interships and shit for drafting companies, which may just be something my area focuses on. Embedded programming or hardware design is few and far between.

If you're going MS/PhD you can easily get a job, since they're constantly looking to hire more specific people, and refuse to train anything lower. There's a lot of industries you can focus on, so if something like battery technology or whatever interests you, you may want to look at universities that focus more on that. I went to SUNY Buffalo (New York), and they do a lot of photonics.

[Anonymous No.10765196]

Re-post from earlier thread (bumplimit reached just after original post):This question was asked by another anon previously but got no answer, so: There is currently a push by faculty at several BTech schools to allow their graduates access to the same licensure and federal employment opportunities as BEng graduates. What is your opinion on the issue?

[Anonymous No.10765302]

>>10765133
if you're considering cs and EE, do compE. You will get more programming experience than a typical EE undergrad unless you go out of your way to add on more programming classes.

[Anonymous No.10765520]

Do you guys have any recommendations for electrical motor control books?
So far I'm reading pic related from leonhard but it's quite old and the notations are off and non standard.
Also I don't like how it gets super detailed over trivial stuff but rushes with hand waving over more important topics.

[Anonymous No.10765552]

how fucked am I as an EE if I do a lot of successful projects in my own time

[Anonymous No.10765557]

>>10765196
Around a third of all engineers have no degree, and are really just promoted technicians. Everyone here likes to blow smoke about how engineering is "super serious business", but in reality it's kind of a joke. Random people in the factory frequently get promoted to engineer, and you should expect to be working side by side with them.

[Anonymous No.10765669]

>>10765557
This, a Master's is the only way to avoid getting mixed in with the subhumans

[Anonymous No.10765717]

>>10765043
What about airbus? Do they outsource everything? I am from Europe and the budget airline I mostly use I think only has airbuses, but I have flown with boeing before and now I am afraid

[Anonymous No.10765757]

>>10765552
Join IEEE, do a couple volunteering events and you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.10765833]

>>10765717
Yeah, they outsource a ton. Often times, the OEM will outsource to a legit company, but then these companies outsource the same work to poo-in-loos making $9/hr. Makes it really tough to know who's actually doing the work on these big projects.

[Anonymous No.10766782]

What's the difference between computer end electronic engineering?

[Anonymous No.10766807]

>>10766782
Do they even offer Electronic Engineering anymore? When IT was simpler, one could get an Electrical and Electronics, or just "Electronics" degree.

Now Computer Science and Electrical Engineering would be too broad if they covered a lot of computer stuff, so CE came about.

Electrical Engineering involves a lot of physics and covers power infrastructure (it's kinda common for Electrical Engineers to end up in power systems). EE's in terms of computers tend to go into embedded programming, or at the higher level, information related design (antennas, signals, physical aspects of a circuit).

Computer Engineering focuses on practical implementations of software and technology. A CE might at a higher level go into physics and physical design of a circuit that EE studied at lower levels, but an EE wouldn't really have a reason to go anywhere near the computer modelling (OS's, memory management, algorithms, proofs) unless they specialized in real-time embedded programming, which is what a CS or CE could also do, though with weaker intuition and less experience with how reality fucks up what you want to happen.

[Anonymous No.10766814]

What's the difference between software and computer engineering? And which one would be a safer path to go through. (Less likely to be outsourced to poos)

[Anonymous No.10766891]

>>10766814
Software engineers engineer software. Computer engineers engineer computers. You really couldn't figure that one out by yourself?

[Anonymous No.10766953]

>>10766807
its interesting how the computer side of electrical engineering 20 years ago is now default knowledge for all engineers. I don't know an engineer or any type who can't do basic coding, circuitry, robotics

[Anonymous No.10766972]

>>10766953
>electrical engineering 20 years ago
Not really. For software/programming, C or Fortran or something would be used 20 years ago. Maybe they'd even have classes on using a terminal (since many students wouldn't have ever interacted with a computer of the time). At best now, mechanical engineers would be focusing on Matlab and simulators and such. Same for CivE, though I'd reckon they'd use less modelling software, because they'd need you know, social/environmental impact classes and architectural design (not necessarily simulations).

Most engineers don't do any of what you suggest, you're full of shit, and I assume a shitposter.

[Anonymous No.10767248]

>>10765133
I was chemE my first year before I switched to EE. I completely agree with >>10765163 that you need to have a specialization. I focused on signal processing/RF doing radar shit and I ended up as a hot piece of meat for a number of defense companies. I'd say working in defense is a good gig if you're ethically fine with it. There's basically no chance of getting fucked by pajeet outsourcing because of arms regulations that require US citizenship.

[Anonymous No.10767652]

>>10766972
MechE here, you're right

MATLAB (sometimes Simulink when double checking the controls guys) and some intermediate C at most.

AutoCad, Solidworks. Fusion 360 and Revit for CAD software.

[Anonymous No.10767717]

>>10765043
>$9-an-hour-Engineers
>Engineers

remind me again why code monkeys get to call themselves engineers? that's like a cashier calling themselves an investment banker.

[Anonymous No.10767722]

>>10765163
>SUNY Buffalo
can confirm. when i was there for a BSCE the Turks cheated on literally everything.

[Anonymous No.10767725]

>>10767717
Because they got a degree at IIT Bombay or IIT Kharagpur

[Anonymous No.10767904]

>>10765557
>>10765669
So would you be in favor of making entry level employment requirements for engineering centered around passing the FE, and licensing eligibility depending on a Master's degree only i.e. pass the FE, obtain 4 years work experience, obtain a Master's of engineering, pass the PE?

[Anonymous No.10767976]

Hey guys I love cock

Also, I'm an engineer

[Anonymous No.10768081]

>>10765557
this

Dont be surprised if the 'engineer' who signs off your designs doesnt even have an engineering degree to begin with lmao.

[Anonymous No.10768396]

>>10767717
>he still thinks engineer is a prestigious title
see >>10765557

[Anonymous No.10768496]

>>10767904
Yeah, the idea of requiring a Master's for a PE has been tossed around a lot. Due to the simplification of a lot of engineering work through automation and computational methods, engineers aren't learning as much on-the-job as they used to, so either education or work experience requirements (or both) should be increased accordingly to ensure public safety.

[Anonymous No.10769123]

>>10768396
it should be illegal to call yourself an engineer without having a licence.

[Anonymous No.10770281]

>>10765557
A third of all engineers where? I haven't heard of anyone without an engineering degree working as an engineer, at least in my field of chemical manufacturing. Technicians can get promoted to some supervisory roles or production/maintenance planning type of roles, but all of the engineering jobs are held by engineers.

[Anonymous No.10770303]

>>10769123

>muh respect

Get fucked. There's nothing special about engineers besides you took the historically shorter book route. Stop adding to the problem of progressive credentialism that is ruining youth job prospects.

[Anonymous No.10770314]

>>10770281

>90% of the world's nuclear engineers are on the job trained

[Anonymous No.10770389]

Hey guys, applying for college soon, is EE a meme as far as jobs with upward mobility/ self employed potential? Or am i better off with cs or math? Plan on either getting my masters in same field i UG in or getting an MBA. Thank you for your time in advance.

[Anonymous No.10770394]

>>10770389

Study EE. Get a masters.

Go work for a firm.

Make it known you want to branch out into management and make them pay for an MBA.

That way you'll definitely have a job in management before you drop on the extra schooling and you'll be an attractive promotion internally so you'll be familiar with their processes.

[Anonymous No.10770396]

>>10770389

Do not pay for your own MBA.

Do not PAY for your own MBA.

DO. NOT. FUCKING. PAY. FOR. YOUR. OWN. MBA.

[Anonymous No.10770401]

>>10770396
I was going to use my post 9/11 gi bill for my masters whether it be mba or EE/CS/math

[Anonymous No.10770406]

>>10770394
Thank you for the info.

[Anonymous No.10770411]

>>10770401

That counts.

Just don't be one of thise people who has zero work experience except for a bachelors and then immediately an MBA and expects to enter a company to be a leader with zero work history.

And then has to pay off a BS and 95k of MBA costs.

[Anonymous No.10770418]

>>10770411
Ill have 8 years navy work experience. Hope civilian companies dont brush that off lol

[Anonymous No.10770423]

>>10770418

It's all about how you swing it and interpret your positions and duties inti civilian.

Have the fleet and family help you with a resume yet?

[Anonymous No.10770428]

>>10770423
No, i have 3 more years in, was going to shoot for a bachelors while at shore, just figuring out which UG is best for what im trying to do when i get out. Yeah ill figure out how to spin it.

[Anonymous No.10770441]

>>10770428

Start writing it now, then just be sure to add to it as your career progresses. It's an easier load than trying to write one after 8 years while you're trying to get out.

Good luck on FY20 as far as TA is concerned.

[Anonymous No.10770463]

>>10770441
With the new restrictions, i dont think people will drain the fund early like last year. Im prepared to cover 4-7 credits per semester out of pocket though, ill just have to put less down on my house when i transfer.

[Anonymous No.10770787]

>>10765043

[Anonymous No.10770799]

How old is too old to start an engineering course, even just a BSc? It is said studying gets harder and harder with age and ENG has some high hurdles at start.
I was 35 when I started and I never had any problems with math, calculus, chemistry, maybe a bit with physics but I am sure it was all psychosomatic from earlier bad experiences.
Any oldfags doing ENG? Do you pay tuition by company, loan or from pocket like a chad?
I finished this year with flying colours while I worked full time besides uni (weekend course).

[Anonymous No.10770871]

>>10769123
Well it's not, so get fucked. You fell for a meme.

[Anonymous No.10770886]

>>10767722
Turks in SUNY Buffalo? What?

[Anonymous No.10770894]

>>10770799
>How old is too old to start an engineering course, even just a BSc?
No age is inherently too old. I got my BS when I was 36. A good friend in the same class was 52. If you have the motivation and fortitude to do the work, there's no problem. I paid my way, but I was working. I had a wife, 2 kids, a house, some cars and a dog. It was funny to hear the 21-year-olds whinge about their "life problems".

[Anonymous No.10770898]

>>10770799
>It is said studying gets harder and harder with age
Who says that? There are certainly changes in cognition between 20s and middle age, but for the most part declines in one aspect are offset by improvements in others. The only major exception is language learning, which peaks in childhood and rapidly declines thereafter. On average, people in their 30s and 40s perform better in university programs than people in their 20s. If I had to draw a line, I'd say late 50s-early 60s when age-related cognitive decline really starts to set in is probably where you're likely to see diminishing returns. But even then a sharp 60 year old probably isn't at much of a disadvantage compared to a mediocre 22 year old with respect to school work, and most college grads are decidedly mediocre.

[Anonymous No.10770899]

>>10770799
I am 28 and about to finish BSc in Applied Physics. I am paying from the pocket like a chad. It was kinda tough because I was working and studying full time during week. The whole studies is 3.5 years long but this is my 5th year. It was really draining to study and work at the same time.

[Anonymous No.10770953]

>>10770894
>It was funny to hear the 21-year-olds whinge about their "life problems"
Same. When I told them what are my daily problems are and when is my next part of tuition is being paid and how much they fell silent, and especially turned wide eyed when I just shrugged them of like nothing. Studying was more important than the problems.
I feel bad for bullying out a stupid zoomer from chemistry class for playing pokemon fucking go instead of doing his tasks. Turned out he was so much disinterested he quit that semester. I wonder how long will he be able to spend his dads money until the old man kicks him out. At least he didn't bring down my grades.

[Anonymous No.10771060]

civil engineering is the most powerful

[Anonymous No.10771085]

>>10771060
...nap

[Anonymous No.10771273]

How much am I wasting my EE degree if I want to get into machine learning?

[Anonymous No.10771356]

>>10770787
their population needs to decrease significantly anyhow
a fucking billion and a half in that small a country is straight up not sustainable

[Anonymous No.10771357]

>>10771273
You want to get into ME if you want to learn machining

[Anonymous No.10771567]

>>10771273
I mean, machine learning is all about code... So you're probably not going to get much out of hardware.

[Anonymous No.10771592]

>>10771273
you probably want ME if ur gonna make big machines

[Anonymous No.10771625]

>>10766807
>Do they even offer Electronic Engineering anymore?
yes im on an accredited electronic engineering course in the UK, they just dont have it in the US i think. and what do you think IEEE stands for anyway? its more specific than EE but more general than CE id say

[Anonymous No.10771668]

>>10771357
>>10771592
I don't want to make big machines, I want to go into automotive and automate cars, self driving systems etc.

>>10771567
Yeah, but I'm almost done with my EE degree and oddly enough most of the programmes that go into robotics and automotive follow on from EE, because apparently they don't teach much cpp in CS.

[Anonymous No.10771793]

I'm torn between ChemE and Chem. I like biochemistry and organic chemistry and basically the more I into Chem in my spare time the more I enjoy the subject.

But it's not a great degree. Chem E is much more potent. Can you guys help me discern the differences? I'm in a weird position because I'm an adult student in the UK. I don't have a level maths (I did a return to education course with a big emphasis on Chem and bio) but a strong math background in school and I feel I could have done maths had things played out differently. I've only realised how much I like Chem recently.

[Anonymous No.10771815]

>>10771793
To be clear, switching to Chem E would mean deferring at least a year to get a level maths and maybe further maths and I can barely wait to get out of this sihthole village. But there's also nowhere I can access to learn maths, it would have to be self taught.

[Anonymous No.10771925]

>>10770894
> I had a wife, 2 kids, a house, some cars and a dog

why are you studying engineering you had a good life already boomer

[Anonymous No.10771976]

>>10771925
Some anons just want to finish up a few things on theirs lives. I, on other hand, I just writing my thesis to finish up my studies in this country and move out of this hellhole. I want to do a Masters 5 years after I establish myself in other country. Afterwards, boomer life here we go.

[Anonymous No.10771992]

>>10770303
>>10770871
literally nothing worse than code monkeys and technicians with the title engineer. the law requires an engineer with a licence to design everything. when retards pretend like they're engineers, it confuses the public about what engineers are for.

[Anonymous No.10771998]

>>10771668
>I don't want to make big machines, I want to go into automotive and automate cars, self driving systems etc.
yeah okay buddy if u wanna build machines do ME /thread

[Anonymous No.10772007]

>>10771992

>booknerd blindly signing designs that more senior people with 25 years of experience and interviewed him gave to him while they make decisions.

>thinks the fact it took 4 years to learn CAD means he is making the world safer

And worse.

>looks down on the very people he relies on to actually turn lines on paper into reality

This is precisely why no one listens to bs grad engineers unless they are getting paid to do so.

[Anonymous No.10772031]

>>10772007
Well, to be fair both of them should respect each other, as an engineer you can learn A LOT from technicians, especially if they have years of experience. Remember guys: don't be a snob engineer who thinks that everyone is below him, even the kids at school (a professor I know does this and he is the most self-centered snobbish bastard I have ever known). Also, also don't just keep yourself satisfied with what the professors teach you in a classroom, get your hands dirty to learn a bit more practical skills, lads.

[Anonymous No.10772343]

>>10772031
>>10772007
Once you're 5+ years deep with a license you realize technicians are retarded jealous faggots.

[Anonymous No.10772367]

>>10772343

I wonder where 5 years puts you on this chart...

[Anonymous No.10772426]

>>10772367
asshurt tech detected

[Anonymous No.10772489]

>>10772343
True, my point still stands though. Just don't try to make your workplace a backstabbing central. That never works.

[Anonymous No.10772495]

>>10772426

We're called engineers now.

[Anonymous No.10772569]

>multi-billion dollar American company outsourcing software that controls the planes to third world Indian """engineers""" who got paid less than burger flippers at your local McDonald's
>The board, CEO and all higher ups were literally okay with having people paid less than burger flippers to code/test software for commercial planes

Why didn't Boring just get fucking American college students do it free. It would have at least been safer and more accredited. How do you even defend this kind of shit?

[Anonymous No.10772572]

>>10772495
not even in your dreams, fuckboy

[Anonymous No.10772575]

>>10772569
something something save some shekels
Big jew corps don't think particularly far in advance, they're all about short term profits

[Anonymous No.10772581]

>>10772572

Careful.

Don't want to piss all over the guy who completes your next evaluation.

Make sure you turn off the lights on your way out.

[Anonymous No.10772733]

>>10772581
>the guy who completes your next evaluation
lol get fucked
EITs/EIs only give a shit about the PE who will be signing off on their experience, and that aint you "tech".

[Anonymous No.10772996]

>>10770389
>>10770394
>>10770396
MBAs are a joke
>t. EE & Industrial Engineering dual major
Most of what you learn in a MBA is completly useless and mostly focused on shitty business and marketing for brainlets

[Anonymous No.10773022]

i was a SWE for boeing and it was a nightmare AMA

[Anonymous No.10773049]

>>10772996

Which is why you don't pay for it out of pocket, especially as a BS grad with zero work experience.

It is "supposed" to be a method where a company sends one of its non-business workers to groom them for executive/c-suite stuff.

[Anonymous No.10773051]

>>10772733

We both know the tip of your special "PE pen" is as dry as your dick.

[Anonymous No.10773240]

how long does it take to hear back when you send out applications? Started applying, averaging like 7-10 a day so far, but haven't gotten a call. Might have to reach out to a recruiter desu.

[Anonymous No.10773398]

>>10770787
one can only hope a gaint plague wipes out 2/3rds of their popualtion

[Anonymous No.10773405]

>>10772572
>he still thinks that you need a degree to become an engineer
>he doesn't realize that engineering is becoming a blue collar career

[Anonymous No.10773410]

>>10771357

He's talking about Machine learning as in AI you brainlet, not CNC machining.

[Anonymous No.10773412]

>>10771060

Civil engineering is unironically the boomer of engineering, been around the longest and literally hasnt changed much in over 100 years.

>sip

[Anonymous No.10773413]

>>10772031
>Also, also don't just keep yourself satisfied with what the professors teach you in a classroom, get your hands dirty to learn a bit more practical skills, lads.
I'm an engineer who hires and fires engineers, technical staff and everyone else in the company. I was adjunct faculty for about 8 years in the School of Engineering at a recognized midwestern university. From experience, I told my students - mostly frosh/sophs - a thing or nine about the "real world". The main thing was: A) Your GPA doesn't mean shit, because A.1) Your first employer doesn't care what you think you know. As far as I'm concerned, a fresh engineering grad doesn't know a damn thing. We'll teach the newbie what he needs to know. What has value to me is what the greenhorn can DO. Can you chase loads? Can you run a transit? Can draw your way out of a hat? What are you going to do on your first day that I can bill for? I'm not running a charity.

[Anonymous No.10773421]

>>10773413
>Your GPA doesn't mean shit
This isn't the 1990's. Companies don't hire a below a 3.5, and the ones you wouls actually want to work for don't hire below a 3.8. It's like that now because there are waaaaaayyyyyyyy too many fresh engineering graduates. Otherwise your post is accurate.

[Anonymous No.10773435]

>>10773413
Your post is accurate, especially since the guys with the highest GPA are utterly autistic and know a damn thing about work, especially teamwork.

>>10773421
Well, that's a bit of an overstatement. I have known a great deal of graduates with a 3.3 GPA and they do a great job out there, where as a guy with a GPA of 3.7 or so does terribly during the first months. It is all about focusing and using your abilities and skills.

[Anonymous No.10773484]

>>10772996
Even if my ultimate goal is self employment?

[Anonymous No.10773600]

Aerospace engineers: any opinions on Raymer vs Roskam (vs other) for aircraft design books? My professor had us buy Roskam 1 & 2 (sizing + propulsion selection, basically) of the 7 for our course but I remember him mentioning Raymer (Aircraft Design: A Conceptual Approach) as the alternative he'd considered, I'm wondering if Raymer was more broad and theory based since Roskam was basically a cookbook for doing dry runs of designing a plane to fit some purpose.

Also, does anyone have any comments on the three books listed here? https://4chan-science.fandom.com/wiki/Mechanical_and_Aerospace_Engineering#Flight_Mechanics I'm starting a position soon that focuses on modelling, I'm expecting there to be a disgusting amount of control work involved which I know very little about in comparison to propulsion, aerodynamics etc. Stengel (listed on the wiki) looks like a pretty good bet, but is there something with an even greater focus on modelling/control?

[Anonymous No.10773610]

>>10773421
>Companies don't hire a below a 3.5, and the ones you wouls actually want to work for don't hire below a 3.8.
Absolutely false. Stop listening to headhunters and whorehouses.

[Anonymous No.10773616]

>>10773484
If your goal is self-employment as an engineer, you're much better off spending that money on a graduate degree or two. In my experience, an MBA is of little value to someone running an engineering company as well as doing design. If you want to just sit in the corner office and play CEO, then the MBA will serve you well on the golf course and at various self-congratulatory functions.

Just take a few Engineering Econ classes.

[Anonymous No.10773623]

>>10765133
EE is much more versatile than CS. Electrical Engineers have the opening to apply to literally every single job in the CS world, but to get the job you will have to provide more proof you are capable.

Big companies (aka the ones that pay the best) are much more willing to take an Electrical Engineer for a CS specific job if he proves he can handle it. Not because the EE can do it better, simply because if he turns out to be a good employee but doesn't like the work down the road they can offer him so many other positions to try and retain him.

[Anonymous No.10773653]

>>10773049
MBA is literally just a signal to your company saying, "I want to move away from technical work and I want more money." If you're actually useful the company will pay to send you to school which is them basically saying, "OK I'll give you what you want, but you need to go out to this school to network and build relationships for us."

And every MBA program is easy as fuck

[Anonymous No.10773668]

>>10773484
mba for entrepreneurs is a meme.

first get your PE licence. then it's better off getting certified in something like PMP and "agile" methodologies and learning all your business info on your own

[Anonymous No.10773714]

>>10765043
Wait why is this here when the people it relates to are computer scientist getting outsourced?
What?
Wait, you guys think engineers would get the jobs now that outsourcing blew up in their face? They'd go to computer scientist giving these jobs to engineers would only be a slight step up from Pajeets.

[Anonymous No.10773750]

Has anyone here been in the industry for more than a decade? If so, how has it changed since you started?

[Anonymous No.10773791]

>>10773750
I've been in ur mum for more than a decade lmao

[Anonymous No.10773795]

>>10773791
thanks for the insightful post anon!

[Anonymous No.10773822]

>>10765043

>everyone is assuming it's Indians

I wouldn't be surprised if it was Polish engineers - basically treated the same by western corporations.

t. Polish engineer in Tier 1 automotive supplier

[Anonymous No.10773943]

>>10773750
35 years. Structural - heavy industrial.

The biggest change has been the overwhelming compression of schedules. Everyone expects everything RIGHT FUCKING NOW! What's baffling is that the ones with the highest sense of immediacy in others have the lowest sense of urgency in themselves.

The structures haven't changed. The materials have improved a little bit. The design codes have bloated to the point of absurdity. Analysis programs and the computers we use are infinitely more powerful, but I still only use the black box to confirm and refine what I've already pencil-whipped.

Working overseas is WAY worse than it was 30 years ago. Thanks a lot, Bin Laden.

On the business side, insurance (both liability and healthcare) continues to eat up more and more of our revenue. Shit sucks, yo.

I still love it, though. It's all I've ever done, and all I've ever wanted to do. I've been fortunate in my career, and I work every day to not fuck up that good fortune.

[Anonymous No.10773966]

>>10770787
>>10771356
>>10773398
It's called global warming. Unfortunately they will all try to go to Europe.

[Anonymous No.10774013]

>>10771793
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU LIKE CHEMISTRY DONT DO ChemE
I made that fucking mistake and we do no chemistry at all. At most you do stoichiometric shit and research reaction paths but as a student we dont even have a chem module. Technically some physical chemistry with thermodynamics but i cant really remember anything specifically chemistry related there.
Chemical engineering is a fucking trap for chemistry students to do physics.

[Anonymous No.10774090]

>>10774013
You went to a shit school my dude. Most schools have 2 semesters of general chemistry, 2 semesters of organic, and a semester of pchem plus labs for each. Lots of chemE students also get a chem minor to satisfy any pure chem interest.

[Anonymous No.10774154]

>>10774013
This, go into MatSci instead. Metals studies and heat treatment is all about chem and phys-chem, but in a way that is palpable and not just arbitrary theory.

[Anonymous No.10774176]

>>10774090
True, I did chemical engineering and it was the major with the most chemistry classes besides the actual chemistry major, and I got a chemistry minor out of it. I also worked in a chemistry lab.

My day to day work in industry is very little chemistry, though. Obviously my plant runs a reaction and chemistry happens, but most of the technical stuff that I actually deal with is transport and thermodynamics and process control. But really 99% of it is non-technical bullshit or half-assed rough estimates in excel or some statistics.

[Anonymous No.10774212]

>>10772996
And yet it pays

[Anonymous No.10774365]

>>10765163
>>10767248
I’m also doing EE and am looking at the area pathway courses for next year. Should I go wholly Sig Processing/ Controls or should I add Circuits and Computer engineering courses too?

[Anonymous No.10774382]

I'm on an optical engineering masters, working on PON applied on 5G fronthaul.
It's my first year and we're trying to publish a paper based on my undergrad thesis with me as a first author and we'll work on a bigger paper on a fairly high impact journal, where I'll be second author.

How much will these papers and others that will follow be on either me finding a job or a PHD on a fairly prestigious university?
I'm new to the program, so I'm still kinda lost.

[Anonymous No.10774387]

>>10774365
It depends on you want to do. Controls/Sig. Processing is an area where work is always around and it can range from easy-peasy to ball-busting hard. Circuits and Computer Engineering might help in the long run, but I see them just a fundamental base, not a specialized area.

[Anonymous No.10774391]

>>10774365
T E L E C O M
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[Anonymous No.10774393]

>>10765557
This motherfucker’s from the UK

[Anonymous No.10774394]

>>10774393
The Shariah state of UK.

[Anonymous No.10774504]

>>10774387
I’m thinking about going into robotics and automation.

[Anonymous No.10774544]

>>10774504
Mechatronics and control then. In that case, take the control and signal processing courses. Check if you get into a mechatronics course as well. Computer engineering might help, but then again knowing how to control and send the action signals for the drives is far more important.

[Anonymous No.10774935]

>apply to jobs
>havent heard back
>go work construction while I keep applying to engineering jobs
>apply to a couple of olaces roday in the morning
>be in the middle if tearing down a wall
>get a call
>its an an HR person asking if I have time to talk to him
>errm Im in the middle of a job right jow, could you call back later or tomorrow?
>guy just says okay

You guys think he’s gonna call back? Have a feeling he wont. I’ve heard of HR people asking some semi technical questions and I got nervous and just said I couodnt talk right now. Kinda feel like I should have let it go to voicemail and call back.

[Anonymous No.10774986]

>>10774935
ya blew it

t. guy that was literally in your position

[Anonymous No.10774988]

>>10770281
>>10774393
>>10774394
I'm in the US. Depending on your workplace, it 50% can be more typical. HVAC can be as high as 75%.

[Anonymous No.10774996]

>>10773943
Would you recommend it to a fresh grad? Would you recommend mechanical engineering or CS or applied math for someone who wants to do work on building and maintaining the increase in industrial automation (including supply chain stuff)?

[Anonymous No.10774999]

>>10774544
For someone beginning college this fall interested in industrial robotics/automation what major would you recommend? My uni has a robotics minor (plus core engineering, cs and math) but no industrial engineering degree.
>>10774935
maybe you can still call back?

[Anonymous No.10775025]

>>10773943
>35 years
Jesus

[Anonymous No.10775041]

>>10774999
EE taking the electives related to industrial process, mechatronics and control. Check if they have specialized electives on this areas. Good luck, lad.

>>10774988
I was joking about the Shariah State. I never knew about that on the US. Oh well, nothing major has happened so it is fine. Again, both engineers and technicians can learn a lot of each other.

I can stress enough to get some hand to hand experience on the field, even if it just residential installations or as some assistant for an engineer on some project, no matter how meager it is.

[Anonymous No.10775046]

>8000 word limit on my master's 'thesis'

[Anonymous No.10775057]

>>10775046
Kek. What's that? An essay? I have a 100 page limit for my thesis, not counting extra content for future research.

[Anonymous No.10775112]

>>10773484
You will learn A LOT more getting an IE bsc than in any MBA program.

[Anonymous No.10775127]

>>10775046
My undergrad thesis is 11000 words and I may add more. What the fuck are you even doing?

[Anonymous No.10775258]

>>10775127
>>10775057
>>10775046
What about having an exam instead of a thesis for your masters? Is it a meme or a legitimate way of finishing your studies?

[Anonymous No.10775266]

>>10775258
It is just to evaluate your ability to do investigation work, even if it isn't a thesis you need to investigate to present your idea to a third party who might not be from your area. Granted I will take a full on project instead of a thesis but choosers can't be beggars.

[Anonymous No.10775269]

>>10775258
>no thesis
That's just how you tell your employer you learned nothing.

[Anonymous No.10775345]

>>10775041
Curious, why EE? I don't see why routing circuits would help my automation or supply chain skills. I was looking more at applied math, to be honest.

[Anonymous No.10775367]

>>10765133
>Is EE a meme?
a lot of good jobs in EE and the pay is good.

however, as someone who switched from physics to EE, I'm disappointed at how much easier EE classes are than physics classes. there's more work but the sheer difficulty is much lower.

and the even more embarassing thing is that a lot of my EE classmates are retards who find the most trivial things "hard."

[Anonymous No.10775374]

>>10775345
Well, automation actually don't require that much of applied math, unless you want to focus on instrumentation which it does require a lot of it for the design and selection of the measurement and actuators equipment are crucial. It is not about routing circuits, it is more about process control and automation implementation through PLC and higher technologies, like SCADA and distributed control systems, to which EE has a specialized area to work into.

[Anonymous No.10775383]

>>10774365
idk? research the job demands in your local area dumbass.

why are EE majors so retarded?

[Anonymous No.10775387]

I want to create a drone with 4 rotors but large enough to carry a cargo container with up to a 40 ton load
Amazon is already trying this with 2 rotor autonomous helis, but I want to know if such a drone can be created with a production cost of under $70,000. If it can be we can replace the truck industry and also have neat flying containers

[Anonymous No.10775393]

>>10775374
Got it, thank you very much anon!
brb boutta dab on those boomer techs' jobs
Quick sanity check: how does the future talent/future need ratio look like? How is it compared to sig proc/controls? Is this a career where I can reach my dream of high hourly income * low work hours = medium-high salary
>>10775383
Why only our local area? I don't know about the other anon specifically but odds are he's single and can move anywhere in his country.
>>10775387
you want a drone that can carry 40 tons or tow 40 tons on wheels? If it's the former I don't think even an Apache can life that much

[Anonymous No.10775402]

>>10775387
For a moment I thought that you wanted to create the wageslave cage. Hmm, I guess 4 rotors could work, not sure if you can find something that holds that weight at a low cost though.

>>10775383
Not everyone has the insight to investigate at first. Calm down, anon.

[Anonymous No.10775403]

>>10775367
>and the even more embarassing thing is that a lot of my EE classmates are retards who find the most trivial things "hard."
yep. EE majors are arrogant brainlets. they're the type of people whose idea of "intense math" is doing the convolution integral or looking up a table of fourier transforms

[Anonymous No.10775422]

>>10775403
I know an EE who's a complete memer always going on about "EE gang" but who is doing cryptography research as an undergrad.

[Anonymous No.10775425]

>>10775393
Surely, but you need work a hard at the beginning to get to that point, lad. It might be a bit nerve wrecking at times, but do investigate a check a bit for a while. Also, remember to kill all the pajeets on the way to success.

>>10775403
Well, sure we might be brainlets at times, but man math can be retarded at times, not to mention the hellish pressure on the other subjects, like electrical machines. But that's just my opinion.

>>10775422
That guy is A+ retard. No one should do that ship of going around "EE gang". Damned zoomers.

[Anonymous No.10775436]

>>10775425
By pajeets do you mean all indians or a subset thereof?

[Anonymous No.10775439]

>>10775422
>EE gang
You mean like those shitty “Imagine not using Maxwell’s Equations This post by EE gang” memes? How old is he?

[Anonymous No.10775442]

>>10775383
We’d rather ask on 4Chan than go talk to our counselors and have to interact with someone.

[Anonymous No.10775451]

>>10775436
Yes. All the poo in loo combo.

[Anonymous No.10775499]

>>10775393
>>10775402
It would be a very basic premise, drone latches onto existing crane holes in cargo containers, lifts to predetermined height, vectors and carries freight directly to destination, routing around hazard zones or bad weather if drone can't handle that by sheer weight.
>attach gps and signal device to container
>shippers/recievers are notified when container they requested is directly over drop spot with companion signal device
>no need for wheeled containers unless you specifically need dock doors
>thousands of men who play vidya now have drone pilot jobs for when drone needs manual guidance
>DroneNet
>amazon btfo, most drivers now relegated to either pilot jobs as above or become drone mechanics
>can lay out infrastructure for point to point flying, dropping into large drop yards like how current warehouses and distribution centers are already set up outside cities
>sleeper cabs are now unnecessary, improving QOL for remaining drivers
>remaining drivers now perform slipseat short distance delivery jobs, significantly reducing or even eliminating interstate congestion except in cities
>drones can be routed via electronics with FAA airport towers
>neural networks may be able to sort cargodrone traffic and complicated route lines are not needed
>your kids will look up in small towns at the tiny but huge line of quiet cargodrones humming across the country
>cargohopping is now deadly, immigrants who hop into cargo containers will fuckin' die at altitude
>can be scaled way down to accommodate already formed food delivery drones
>if these can carry 80,000lb loads they can carry cars
>magical flying* cars* now a reality
>amazon again btfo
All we have to do is calculate rotor lift required for 4 rotors to hover with 80,000lb (up to), design efficient motors and batteries so they can fly either
1)really fast and not need large batteries
2) can travel on extended flights
>onboard cameras not quite needed because prerouted and planes fly high
Meme it

[Anonymous No.10775704]

>>10775439
nah he just goes up in discord going "EE gang". To his benefit I'm very sure it's tongue in cheek, I think he's a traditional rising junior or senior, so early twenties.
>>10775451
>inclusive or
ughh

[Anonymous No.10775858]

>>10774382
please reply

[Anonymous No.10775931]

>>10771273
Don't see Machine Learning as a field, see it as a tool you can apply to your field. Just learn R and Python and stick to EE anon.

[Anonymous No.10776006]

>>10765163
>buffalo
Yeah dem Indians lmao

[Anonymous No.10776023]

>>10775931
Bad advice.

[Anonymous No.10776029]

>>10775499
>All we have to do is calculate rotor lift required for 4 rotors to hover with 80,000lb (up to), design efficient motors and batteries so they can fly either

all we have to do is calculate delta-v to reach low earth orbit, design efficient rockets and fuels so they can fly really fast and cheap into space and deliver cargo around the world. Amazon BTFO! Based!! Based!!!!!

[Anonymous No.10776045]

>>10776023
How is that a bad advice? Unless you are in computer science, machine learning is just a tool do your job, not a field to pursue, at least that's the way I see it. It is like fuzzy logic being a tool used to make modern control systems without the strict binary all or nothing; sure it might be work studying it from a mathematical or set perspective, but beyond that is just a tool.

[Anonymous No.10776065]

>>10773600

Bump related to this, I've grabbed a copy of Stengel and will be starting it tonight but still keen for aerospace/control book or lecture recommendations

[Anonymous No.10776085]

>>10767248
ITAR BABY, WOO!

[Anonymous No.10776094]

The Virgin Qualified Engineer vs The Chad $9 Poo

[Anonymous No.10776104]

>>10776094
Enjoy dying of not having enough water in a few years and Pakistan taking your lands filled with Poo.

[Anonymous No.10776151]

>>10776029
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.10776157]

Lads, should I go for a Mech. Engineering degree or a "Technical Computer Science" degree (it's basically EE and CS mashed together)?

Would be great if anyone here could share his experience with either degree

[Anonymous No.10776186]

>>10765557
Are your bosses brainlets? Mine just has electricians and mechanics do engineer level work but pays them mechanic or electrician salary.

[Anonymous No.10776388]

>>10765133
EE is a very underappreciated discipline. Seems like a lot of opinions on here say that an EE degree leads to working in the power industry or becoming a glorified programmer. Those are two potential career paths, but the actual opportunities are much broader.
My focus is in RF (radio frequency) engineering with a some attention to electronics (specifically solid state semiconductor devices). Extremely sought after skills that is important for defense (radars) and telecommunication industry (5G).
Another potential is optical engineering. If you want to work on fiber optic communications (like Google fiber) or work on lasers this is the way to go. Plus you would understand how it would be possible to build your very on directed energy weapon out of specific crystals to (not) blast the Commies.
Also EEs get significant training in signal processing. Everything in nature can be understood information signals, and EEs get special training in using signals to control systems.
I could go on and on, but TL/DR take the EE pill.

[Anonymous No.10776459]

>>10776388
I agree with you, lad. Nice explanation.

[Anonymous No.10776636]

>>10774013
You are scaring me anon, I recently applied to Chemical Engineering. Should I study something else?

[Anonymous No.10776785]

>>10776151

>t. '70-ton carrying capacity quad-copter for <$100,000USD' guy

[Anonymous No.10776849]

>>10776785
>implying knowledge of the feasibility of drones or not directly means I say based and am generally autistic (^:
Your correlative abilities are retard-tier. Sad!

[Anonymous No.10776922]

>>10776849

You're replying to someone else, but I apologise for implying you would get excited about make-believe flying machines and say stuff like "Amazon btfo" and "based" as part of a 20 line pretend story

[Anonymous No.10776936]

>>10766972
I'm a mech E but work as a front end web dev lmao

[Anonymous No.10777601]

>>10776388
EE is broad but the content is damn near the fastest way to become pink wojak

[Anonymous No.10777737]

>>10776849
Dude get help

[Anonymous No.10778068]

>>10774013
What if I like to learn engineering and also understand how chemicals work and react to each other?

[Anonymous No.10778261]

>>10776045
>how do I get a career in X?
>the best way is to study Y, bro!
dumbass

[Anonymous No.10778276]

>>10775057
>>10775127
My uni churns out masters degrees like others churn out bachelors.
Every year they reduce the word limit because they are tired of marking.

[Anonymous No.10778337]

I finally have all the hotdogs. And yet I still feel empty inside.

[Anonymous No.10778384]

I'm an American who's lived abroad most of my life.
Whenever I apply to graduate jobs in the US, I get rejected instantly. Whereas I get interview offers from almost every company I apply to in my home country.

Is completing the FE exam something I should do to improve my chances?

[Anonymous No.10778409]

>>10770787
>>10771356
>>10773966
This is what bothers me about humanitarians, they ironically want to help these people by shifting the problem from one region of the planet to another. Nothing ever gets fixed, it just causes more problems for more people. India should have had a one-child policy decades ago, but their goddamn culture and lack of good education really fucked them of that.

[Anonymous No.10778453]

>>10765520
Do you want the power electronics stuff or just “how do I hook a VFD up to a motor and pretend I know the math”?

[Anonymous No.10778494]

>>10775046
wise decision desu

ain't nobody got time to read a 100 pages of bullshit written by the academic equivalent of a coffee-fetching intern

[Anonymous No.10778507]

>>10778384
your resume probably doesnt make it past the ATS screening system.

[Anonymous No.10778515]

>>10778453
I want to get familiar with the modelling.
Especially getting to know how the magic behind turning a synchronous machine into a brushless "DC" motor is done underneath the hood.

[Anonymous No.10778517]

How does /eng/ deal with boomer co-workers who have transitioned from a tech role into an engineering role? Maybe I'm dealing with an exception but this new guy (even though he has lots of practical knowledge about the area) severely lacks critical thinking skills and it's driving me bananas. I've tried to help him ease into the role by lending him some books and sending him .pdfs on our processes, but I think because I'm a few decades younger than him he doesn't take me seriously.

[Anonymous No.10778686]

>>10778261
Again, machine learning is NOT a field unless you study a career focused on that like Computer Science. For anything else, it is just a tool.

[Anonymous No.10778719]

Any practising structural engineers here? Do you have any tips for a student?

[Anonymous No.10778984]

>>10778517
>>10778517
So he was a technician/technologist and now he's playing engineer?

If his ego won't allow himself to ask you questions/ask for help, let him be useless. If you're on a team and he's not pulling his weight, do his work yourself and keep track of it. If it's too much for you to do on your own, try to pull in another competent member to help. Don't shit talk him or anything - Just get it done.

In most cases he'll very quickly come around after he realizes how useless he is and begins to feel bad about it. If he doesn't and he stays useless and is hurting the team, then you've exhausted everything you can do as a member of the team and it's time to let management deal with him.

[Anonymous No.10779122]

>classes are all men during college
>now work is all men too
>spend all my time at work
>no way to meet women
Are all /eng/ies doomed to being single?

[Anonymous No.10779191]

>applied to 100+ jobs over 2 months
>not even a single reply
>put on a couple high-value certs im only in process of completion, thinking ill have time to finish them
>instantly get interviews

[Anonymous No.10779210]

>>10779122
Or have a good dog, or having a hobby to dump all the money like vidya or Gunpla.

[Anonymous No.10779275]

>>10778409

>India should have a one child policy

They effectively do. Indians have been preferentially aborting fetuses for years thus leading to a surplus of 30 million men and bob and verginia memes.

[Anonymous No.10779282]

>>10778517
>transitioned from a tech role into an engineering role
without a license to practice engineering they're still a useless skin sack. Its misleading to even call techs engineers when they dont have a licence.

also fuck Canadian engineers. Peng is garbage and means nothing. if you're wearing a pinkey ring you should kys.

[Anonymous No.10779285]

>>10779282
t. asspained college student that doesn't know about the industrial exception to licensure

[Anonymous No.10779292]

>>10779285
i dont know about your state rules but in mine you'd need a PE to certify that you have 10 years of qualifying experience, and then you'd have to pass the licencing exam. I have discussed this privately with other PEs and we all agree that under no conditions would we ever endorse such an a person, it undermines the credibility of the practice.

[Anonymous No.10779307]

>>10779191
if you got a 4 year engineering degree but didnt get the EIT/EI then you fucked up and wont get a job. EIT/EI is the only cert you need, having any others will get you sucked into dead end tech work.

[Anonymous No.10779558]

>>10765196
>>10767904
As a student, I would be interested in hearing more opinions on this.

[Anonymous No.10779593]

Incel general lmao

[Anonymous No.10779632]

>>10765196
>There is currently a push by faculty at several BTech schools to allow their graduates access to the same licensure and federal employment opportunities as BEng graduates
horrible. tech schools have much weaker curriculum which doesnt meet the minimum standards for accredited programs. If tech schools dont like it that their graduates can never get a licence then they should upgrade their programs to meet the minimum standards.

>>10767904
>entry level employment requirements for engineering centered around passing the FE
it effectively already is
>licensing eligibility depending on a Master's degree only i.e. pass the FE, obtain 4 years work experience, obtain a Master's of engineering, pass the PE?
that's basically what we have currently already. you need 4 years of practical experience to be eligible for licence, or 2 years if you have a masters degree.

[Anonymous No.10779689]

>>10776636
MatSci. Personally, I hate chemistry. I love physics. However, your school should offer different routes for MatSci based on which you prefer as you can take either a Chemistry approach or a Physics approach to it.

[Anonymous No.10779729]

>>10778261
>go to Kaggle
>Learn Python in a week
>go to Kaggle again
>learn basic Machine Learning in a week
Voilà, you now have ML skills to apply to your field.

Even if EE-origanon wants to fully switch to ML where it is the field itself and not the tool, EE is typically within EECS and with knowing the basics of ML I'd reckon they have pretty good chances of getting in to the program they want.

[Anonymous No.10779738]

>>10779292
I think he was referring to how some fields don't require their engineers to have a PE. In aerospace, for example, aircraft models are certified, not people. At most, an engineer can be delegated signatory authority for drawings or certification documents, but this isn't based on a specific education or number of years of experience, nor is this authority transferable to other aircraft, or even other sections of the same aircraft.

[Anonymous No.10779744]

>>10776636
It depends what you like and the school, I went into it because I was good at chemistry and maths. 3 years in all we've done is maths and physics and talked about pipes yet not got any hands on experience. I think im just at a shit school even though it has good rankings.
If youre deciding between Chemistry and ChemE because you enjoy chemistry then just do chemistry because your only opportunity to do it properly will be in your free time or at the end of your degree if you choose engineering.

[Anonymous No.10779935]

>>10778984
>So he was a technician/technologist and now he's playing engineer?
Yes, he has the title engineer now too. Not that titles mean anything according to this thread apparently.

>try to pull in another competent member to help
>[...] it's time to let management deal with him
I will end up pulling some members to my team to help out as I've been left in charge of an area of a project while my boss is away on vacation, and this new boomer is on probation and isn't certified. Dealing with other peoples egos isn't something I signed up for senpai, but it's probably better for my sanity to learn how to deal with these types earlier rather than later. Pray for me.

[Anonymous No.10779947]

>>10779122
>get fit
>use bumble/tinder

[Anonymous No.10779981]

>>10779947
I did. I am. Those places are shitholes though.

[Anonymous No.10779982]

Can someome please recommend a resource for learning about road surface engineering?

[Anonymous No.10780535]

I really like the part where I cant find many entry-level listings online. Ridiculous you filter out the listings and they ask for 2-3 years of experience doing some specific thing. Noticed recruiters for unrelated fields calling me now too. Gonna have to move to a different state or something.

[Anonymous No.10780544]

>>10780535
Welcome to the engineering meme. We tried to warn you.

[Anonymous No.10780618]

>>10780535

Indeed. Keep your eyes open for all the big multinationals' graduate programs and make sure you apply to those, also if you're reasonably close to the requirements for a job just apply anyway. I wouldn't bother if something said "2+ years doing xyz" but if it just said "Experience with xyz" where I at least knew what it was, I'd apply, read up about it, and talk about it as if it were covered in my degree or I'd read about it in my spare time during study.

I took nearly 4 years to find an actual "real" engineering job after I graduated, with a year of further research and a year of site engineering to keep me eating food and paying rent. Just don't shoot yourself

[Anonymous No.10780748]

>>10780618
I cant afford to wait 4 years to land an engineering gig. Gonna relocate to a different state desu then move back when I have some experience. The only state near me which listings advertise they're junior/entry-level engineering positions are all in Arizona. Might have to live in the desert for a bit.

[Anonymous No.10780783]

How long did you guys study for the FE/EIT exam? Thinking of studying for maybe 2-3 weeks and taking it. I've heard getting around 65% in the exam should be enough to pass, no?

[Anonymous No.10780806]

>>10780535
2-3 years of experience IS entry level

[Anonymous No.10780814]

>>10765043
I'm amazed that so many engineers graduate each year.
I currently study it and I always fail and I dunno why. I do everything right, do all the assignments, visit all the lectures and I still almost never manage to get the bare minimum to pass.

Meanwhile a huge bunch of my peers barely study, do a week of hardcore studying (12 hours/week) and pass.

That shit drives me into a depression especially since I'm a 26 year old undergrad.

[Anonymous No.10780835]

>>10780814
Have you not seen the 5+ IQ threads that get spammed on this board each day?

[Anonymous No.10780844]

>>10780835
I highly doubt it's my IQ since I know people who are clearly dumber than me having degrees. I dunno, it might be that I'm a social stunned shut in virgin autist and therefore my brain lacks a certain component to truly work right.

[Anonymous No.10780853]

>>10780844
>it might be that I'm a social stunned shut in virgin autist and therefore my brain lacks a certain component to truly work right.
IQ?

[Anonymous No.10780854]

>>10779122
Medical Engineering usually has more women than men.

But don't fool yourself, if you're an autist you can't get laid even with near 100% females in it.

[Anonymous No.10780862]

>>10780853
No, I talk about social components. Humans are social animals and extreme 130+ IQ autists who never talk but be on the top at everything are rare, people below that usually need the social aspect to work right.

I see it myself that I lack the needed repitition because there is nobody who asks me "did you understood this and that?" and therefore I only do the exercises, switch to others, probably spent 40 hours/week on math assignments and still fail the exam at the end despite getting at least 65% on the assignments.

[Anonymous No.10780866]

>>10780535
Experience requirements don't mean shit. If anything then maybe that means they want someone with internship experience, but it doesn't matter. Just apply for it.

My first job asked for 2-3 years too. Now I actually have 2 years experience and I'm interviewing for jobs that ask for 5+. They do it so they have an easy excuse to turn you down because "they're looking for someone with more experience" if you don't interview well.

>>10780783
The FE isn't that hard it's just a broad review of stuff you should've already learned in school. You'll probably be fine doing that, maybe get one of those review books.

[Anonymous No.10780895]

>>10780866
>>10780806
Nice, I'll actually send my resume in for those jobs from now on. I've just been applying to jobs that don't have those year requirements on there.

[Anonymous No.10781222]

>>10780895
I'm sometimes involved in the hiring process at my company. Often the list of requisites are a "nice to have" and as >>10780866 said, the year requirements often don't mean anything.

I'm always going to pick a good grad (even with a sub-par GPA) with 0 experience over pajeet with 2 years of experience because a) chances are he'll fit in better with the team culture, b) I'll be able to mold and train him easier than a stubborn pajeet. Also, by "0 years experience" often grads we hire were involved in some kind of university club, or worked on projects in their spare time that weren't just blinking lights on an arduino running code they stole of github.

[Anonymous No.10781348]

>>10781222
Nice, I'll try to add a personal project on there.

How important is it to submit a cover letter to these listings as well? I keep seeing the option of submitting one, but I haven't made one just submit a specific resume for different types of jobs.

[Anonymous No.10781418]

>>10781348
>How important is it to submit a cover letter to these listings as well
It makes a difference. People use varying formats but the ideal one in my opinion is broken into three short paragraphs:

>paragraph 1: stating you want to apply for x position at y company, and a brief introduction about yourself. Example: "I wish to apply for the role of graduate electronics engineer at Mossad, Israel. I've recently finished by B.Eng in Electronics Engineering (GPA/honours) and [...]".
>paragraph 2: what skills you could bring to the role using key words from the job listing. Example: "I have a keen interest in designing waifu sex toys, programing novel Flash hentai games, and Mongolian basket-weaving, which I think will allow me to succeed as a graduate by applying [...]".
>paragraph 3: your expectations for working at the company, something generic about teamwork, and your notice period and willingness to travel interstate if the role isn't in your home town.

[Anonymous No.10781419]

>>10781348
>How important is it to submit a cover letter to these listings as well?
It depends on the company, but I would assume it's very important unless they specifically say a cover letter is not expected. I tend to use cover letters to separate people who are really interested in this particular job from those who are just spamming resumes everywhere. If an application doesn't include a cover letter, or if the cover letter is completely generic, I will likely bin it unless the qualifications are stellar and exactly in line with what we're looking for. I don't think a good letter has to be anything elaborate. Just four or five reasonably well-written sentences about why you're interested in the position and how your background relates. At the very least, this shows you've actually read the entire job description and given at least a few seconds of thought to whether you would be a decent fit (you'd be amazed how many people don't).

Keep in mind that although good engineers are in high demand, well-known companies still usually get many applications for every open position. If I have 50 applicants with relatively similar education and experience and I have to narrow that down to the 5-10 I'm going to talk to, it mostly comes down to who seems like they're genuinely interested in the job and put a little effort into expressing it.

[Anonymous No.10781571]

>>10765196
They should instease the value and pay of a BTech degree.

BEng is different from implementing current technology. The world needs more BTechs than BEngs, but companies aren't willing to pay much for either so engineers just go into software dev and low paid industry positions sit unfulfilled. This is on companies, not the system.

[Anonymous No.10781599]

>>10770303
It's a legal distinction. You think it would be fine with people who didn't have law degrees and passed the bar exam to call themselves lawyers?

[Anonymous No.10781647]

>>10765043
>pic
What a fucking clickbait title. $9/hr is ~$18k annual salary assuming the 40hr week. Which might be below poverty for the US, but is a pretty average engineering salary for many countries Boeing has departments in, not just poo-in-loos but also for example Russia (Boeing Design Center in Moscow, AFAIK they mostly do mechanical engineering there), which has pretty good engineers compared to poos. So yeah, they outsource many things to $9/hr engineers with good results which is precisely they go into eastern european countries (low wages, good education)

[Anonymous No.10781673]

>>10779307
Engineering is a protected title in my country and thus all engineering schools here have built-in accreditation. We don't need to write further exams after obtaining the degree. We instantly become EIT.

[Anonymous No.10781680]

>>10780895
I noticed some of those ads with 2-3 year experience requirements will sometimes say, "(experience gained from school included)". As in, experience gained from term projects and senior projects. These were for extremely large corporations btw. Since then I've started applying to all of those jobs as well.

[Anonymous No.10781686]

>>10781222
>that weren't just blinking lights on an arduino running code they stole of github.

im a mech and i cant be assed to write code from scratch to run multiple sensors/servos to accomplish the goal of my projects, just like i cant be assed to come up with the design of a piston-crank from nothing or experimentally determine the material properties of a metal instead of finding it from a table

[Anonymous No.10781687]

>>10781599
yes
t. another anon, ancap

[Anonymous No.10781699]

>buying a domain to show off your portfolio/resume/use it as a calling card

Is this a meme or actually useful?

I've only seen software developers and web-devs do this. I'm a Mechanical Engineer and thinking of doing it as well. Thoughts lads?

[Anonymous No.10781720]

>>10781686
Ok, but what have you actually done other than the minimum requirements to get a degree? If I have to choose between the guy who has designed and built some interesting things in his spare time, and the one who has only done what he's been required to do, why would I choose the lazy fucker who clearly isn't really that interested in engineering?

[Anonymous No.10781723]

>>10781599
>You think it would be fine with people who didn't have law degrees and passed the bar exam to call themselves lawyers?
There are many countries that allow precisely that. A few US states too, IIRC.

[Anonymous No.10781736]

>>10781720
i agree with you, im saying stealing github code isnt that bad if its only a small component of a larger personal project. though im speaking from a mechanical perspective and i think youre speaking from an EE or software perspective where i can see it being viewed much worse

[Anonymous No.10781758]

Where is the love for engineering/technical physics? only hear shit about ee all the time

[Anonymous No.10781765]

>>10781699
I have a really good one, but it also has my face all over it, so I can't show it. It got me my current six figure R&D job.

[Anonymous No.10781796]

>>10781765
Those exist? How did it get you your job? How many hours a week do you work? Do you have a PhD? In what field?

[Anonymous No.10781844]

>>10781796
Hint: it involves software. You are never going to make it if you stick to regular engineering.

[Anonymous No.10781869]

>>10781844
AI?
I'm just entering college, I would appreciate any advice. Will I be screwed if I major in EE or Biological engineering?

[Anonymous No.10781886]

>>10781765
How do you know it helped you in getting your new job?
Did you use some Jekyll/Hugo theme ?

[Anonymous No.10782233]

Does CAD software choice matter if you are just trying to learn the fundamentals of CAD?

[Anonymous No.10782294]

I wasn't able to get an internship this summer. I now have zero internships under my belt and I'm gonna be a senior in Fall, and have no more chances.
How fucked am I and how many engie graduates actually have had internships? This is for EE.

[Anonymous No.10782326]

>>10771793
>because I'm an adult student in the UK.
Hello Muhammed.

[Anonymous No.10782338]

>>10773435
>Hurr duur pseudoscience babble
Female and extraverted autists are way better at teamwork than you. Get your closeminded head out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.10782367]

>>10779935
Sit down with your boss when he's back and tell how badly the boomer fucked up.

[Anonymous No.10782393]

>>10782233
Not really, but if you're aiming for a particular industry, you can atudy the particular CAD software they use

>>10782294
You can always delay graduation a semester and try again next summer

[Anonymous No.10782422]

>>10782393
I can't delay graduation since I'm a transfer and they impose certain restrictions on us. I already tried appealing.

[Anonymous No.10782431]

>>10782393
I can't delay graduation since I'm a transfer, and they impose certain restrictions on us so we get out in 2 years. I already tried appealing.

Is it really THAT bad to not have an internship?

[Anonymous No.10782462]

>>10782431
yes
companies will take a 2.6 retard with no projects with having failed the technical interview but had an internship, and from a shit-tier uni, over a 4.0 at UC Berkeley with multiple 1st places at hackathons, multiple awards, plenty of research, but no internship

[Anonymous No.10782547]

>>10782431
Just give it your best shot applying for jobs, but also apply for internships. A lot of places have no problem hiring a fresh grad for an intern position, and may prefer it.

[Anonymous No.10782595]

How hard would it be for me to land a job at Lockheed Martin or Boeing out of college? I'm graduating next semester with a 3.3 GPA in mechanical engineering from a University here in Texas.

[Anonymous No.10782601]

I'm currently trying to get my first job, and I haven't been able to find any hooks just spamming resumes and cover letters. So I've resorted to asking my friends for jobs and they assure me they can get me one pretty easily. The problem is that it has nothing to do with my degree or what I really want to do. Will taking this job just be a dead ender for positions I actually want when I try and hop jobs in a year? Or will it improve my chances? It's a systems engineering/failure analysis job and I want to get into R&D with chemical engineering.

[Anonymous No.10782623]

>>10782338
Nigga, what? I was just pointing out what have seen so far. That's all. Stop being so tilted.

[Anonymous No.10782624]

>>10782601
You should get a job that you can put on your resume that is relevant to engineering. People change industries all the time, you never know where you’re gonna end up later on in your career. If you havent found a job on your own, I say take this one and learn something.

I got a call froma recruiter saying that he liked my resume and was looking for an applications engineer (lol wtf is that). He said the position was only for 2 months at a big company. I havent had luck with other places so I said I was interested. Kinda bummed its only 2 months, but I guess I get ti put that on my resume.

Also, how difficult is it to program in python? Lol he asked if I had experience and i said yh but I dont lolol

[Anonymous No.10782638]

>>10782624
Applications engineer means sales. Don't do it if you ever want to do a real engineering job. The pay is going to be shit. I have to work with "application engineers" all the time and they never know shit.

[Anonymous No.10782653]

>>10782595
Not that hard, much easier if you had interned there. Aerospace as a whole is doing well, so your chances are good, however, the 737 MAX issues might be affecting Boeing, I dunno. If you're eligible to get a clearance and are interested in Defense work, that's probably the easiest way to get your foot in the door. Note that while, it's really nice to work for an OEM for various reasons, a lot of engineering work goes to suppliers, so don't be afraid to apply to suppliers, even if you want to work for an OEM later on, as the skills will be very transferable.

t. aerospace structures guy

[Anonymous No.10782682]

>>10782653
Thanks mate. I'll definitely look into defense a bit more. Never really thought about working at a supplier either. Seemed like it was just low level paperwork and hauling.
I was just concerned that my GPA wouldn't be good enough to allow me to eventually head into an astronautical related job or position.

[Anonymous No.10783026]

>>10782601

Do it. Sounds like it's a real engineering job and not some disguised admin/technologist/purchasing crap, so it's valuable experience. It'll also help loads in interviews and cover letters etc because you'll actually have something to talk about, and on top of that the fact you're trying to break from one industry into another makes it easier to talk convincingly to interviewers about how you're actually interested in their industry

>>10782624

Python is easy to get started in and it's by far the most mainstream language right now, so there are thousands of tutorials online targetted at computer-illiterate audiences who want to learn to code. Pluralsight has been recommended to me by software/compsci friends as having a 10/10 product but the python course might cost money. Any result on google like codeacademy will teach you the basics. Finxter has a shit website but a nice concept, it's quickfire problems with an ELO system so you learn lots of small tips very quickly and they're likely to be the stuff you almost-but-don't-quite know. In a few days you can be happily scripting dumb loops etc which should be fine, they shouldn't expect a non-software engineering grad to be writing beautiful modular functional programming code with inheritance or w/e. Watch for what >>10782638 said though

>>10782653

Do you have any advice w/r/t my question here >>10776065 + >>10773600

[Anonymous No.10783102]

>>10782682
A 3.3 won't stop you from getting into the field, but will probably help decide what your first job is. Of course, once you get some experience, you can move to a different position. At least as far as my manager goes, he doesn't straight up throw out a resume without reading it unless the GPA is less than 3.0.

>>10783026
Afraid not m8, I'm purely a structures guy. Congrats on the job, though. For structures, my recommendations are:
- Analysis and Design of Flight Vehicle Structures by Bruhn
- Aircraft Structures by Peery
- Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain
- Airframe Structural Design by Niu
- Peterson's Stress Concentration Factors
- A good book (or two) on finite elements

[Anonymous No.10783167]

>>10765133
You have a lot of good options if you do ChemE and go into chip chemistry, both interconnects and semiconductor material are receiving A LOT of funding for the foreseeable. Either do EE with a focus on chem stuff or stick with ChemE and focus on EE stuff.

[Anonymous No.10783171]

>>10765163
>Embedded programming or hardware design is few and far between.
I know a lot of peeps in embedded programming, it's a boom sector.

[Anonymous No.10783214]

>>10782682
My personal experience is that I was hired onto an aerospace defense company with no internships and a 3.26. However, my capstone project was fairly advanced and fit exactly what they were looking for in that position. At the onsite I actually ended up interviewing with three different departments and got offers from all of them.

[Anonymous No.10783261]

>>10783214
Damn anon, that sounds nice. I've done student research related to materials, specifically materials and alloys for synthetic hearts that could be strong yet flexible enough to beat like an organic heart so that's a huge selling point I can use, though I doubt its usefulness in my desired field. Still a nice thing to have on the resume.

[Anonymous No.10783308]

You can sign up to get notified if an employer views your application, but is that when the bot gets to yours in the pecking order? Keep getting emails saying it's been viewed, but not sure what that even means.

[Anonymous No.10783354]

>>10782595
Surprisingly easy. Brush up on Systems Engineering lingo (INCOSE or ISO/IEC 15288) and that will put you way, way above other grads applying for the same positions. I can do a brain dump of some high-level pointers if you like.

[Anonymous No.10783385]

>>10783354
If I know sys eng lingo, how would I show it on a resume?

[Anonymous No.10783410]

>>10783354
not him, but I would like to some of those high-level pointers if you can share them.

[Anonymous No.10783500]

>>10783385
It depends on the job you're applying for, but you could mention some common themes on your resume/cover letter, depending on what area you want to work in:
>elicitation, derivation and decomposition of requirements from defense, and experience in a tool like DOORS
>developing the logical and physical architecture using MBSE tools, defense frameworks, and languages like SysML (NASA has a good handbook on this)
>working with ILS team to develop the support system
>participating in test and evaluation activities, or something V&V related
>integration related activities
>retirement/re-use activities
>a focus on the system life cycle including working towards milestone contract deliverables

>>10783410
The life-cycle of a program generally has common SE deliverables, and contractors have similar names for each:
>conceptual phase:
>when the customer (defense) states a need for a capability system, and your company bids for the program, generally has a proof on concept or a prototype
>requirements engineers elicit requirements from the needs of the customer (business + stakeholder)
>acquisition phase:
>where the bulk of SE and detailed EE/ME/ChemE/SoftE happens leading up to several milestone reviews (MR).
>MR1: system requirements review (SRR) => make sure the requirements/system specification that has been derived and decomposed is in-line with that the customer wants.
>you can (and should) have multiple SRRs.
>MR2: system design review (SDR) => requirements are locked in as baseline and any further changes require the customer to pay as an engineering change proposal (ECP).
>begin developing the system architecture by using functional analysis based on the requirements, but at a high system level.
>begin working on lower level requirements for EE/ME/ChemE/SoftE teams.

part 1/2

[Anonymous No.10783511]

>>10783500
part 2/2:

>MR3: critical design review (CDR) => reviewing detailed design documents.
>once confirmed, contractor build more prototypes and does further test and evaluation.
>MR4: formal qualification review (FQR) => part of system acceptance and ends the acquisition phase, hand over the customer.
>lots and lots of tests.
>utilization phase:
>where the customer uses the capability.
>bulk of SEs move on to different programs
>ILS is involved in delivering, maintaining, supporting the system and training operators.
>retirement phase:
>depending on what was agreed in the contract, the system can be scrapped or modified by the contractor to be implemented into a new system, possibly at a different phase of the life-cyle in a new program (cradle to cradle).

I've missed a whole bunch of activities but I hope some of that helps you land a job.

[Anonymous No.10783521]

Do you guys know about this?
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en

[Anonymous No.10783522]

>>10783511
So as an undergrad, which type of (preferably personal) project would be most amenable to a systems engineering approach?

[Anonymous No.10783528]

>>10783500
>>10783511
nice dubs
saved to a word doc, thnx

[Anonymous No.10783619]

>>10783522
Anything really. You could spin it 1000 ways. If I'm interviewing grads I wouldn't care if they didn't follow the SE process at all, so long as they realized a need, somewhat iteratively developed a project, and the project sort of aligns with what the company does. If your capstone project isn't like pic related, you've already won.

[Anonymous No.10783656]

>>10783521

no, is that the eagleworks thing

[Anonymous No.10783660]

>>10783619
Would it need to be closely related to the type of position? i.e. can an EE apply to a position with a MechE project?

[Anonymous No.10783661]

>>10783660
or, even more extreme, a CS applying to an engineering internship with a mechE or EE project?

[Anonymous No.10783798]

>>10783660
>>10783661
Obviously the more relevant the project is to the position you're applying for, the better. But even if it's completely unrelated, some independent work is much better than none. If nothing else, it shows the interviewer that you have some intrinsic motivation to do something other than drink beer and play xbox.

[Anonymous No.10784010]

>>10783660
>>10783661
I have a pretty extreme personal anecdote.
I'm a mech eng, and I did a few online machine learning competitions.

I landed an internship in the flow assurance team (made up entirely of chem engineers) at an oil+gas contractor, doing machine learning on pipelines.

[Anonymous No.10784334]

Any UK grads looking for a job?

>Tfw been to so many assesment centres and never get chosen,

It's draining, I think it's affecting my confidence in interviews. The feedback I get is that I'm too laid back but I think In my mind "you're not going to get the job anyway lul".

MechE MEng btw

[Anonymous No.10784437]

>>10778515
>>10778515
Ion Boldea - Electric drives
Jens Weidauer - Eelektrische antriebstechnik (Translated ofc.)
These are the european bibles of electric drive control.

[Anonymous No.10784454]

>>10784437
I'll look into those.
Thanks mate!

[Anonymous No.10784742]

What kind of turbine can accomodate the highest flow rates for a given size? I want something compact that I can shove a fuckton of really diffuse gas through.

[Anonymous No.10784806]

>>10765557
Probably in areas outside the U.S. yeah, but in the U.S.; engineer is a protected title and it's main purpose is that you are able to give engineering judgement on matters within your areas of expertise.

Now you can get the title of 'engineer' via legal exception but that basically means that you only have engineering judgement on matters while working on a job for your company, while under a professional engineer, and while the PE allows you to have that judgement. If you don't have any of those, then you can't really give judgement, so you aren't really an engineer unless you have those specific circumstances.

Also, regarding software engineering. The reason why people use call themselves that willy-nilly is that nothing in software will ever require engineering judgement in the modern legal system so the term is pretty much worthless already. Although I still hate how normies still see it as a qualification even though it means nothing in software

[Anonymous No.10784851]

Can anyone give me career advice to help prepare myself for landing a job after I graduate?
I am a soon to be senior in ChemE, I got an internship at a small/mid size oil company working with clay stabilizers last summer but what has me worried about landing a job next year is that I wasn't able to get an internship this summer even after 4 separate phone interviews so I'm stuck doing undergrad research over polymers. I've been doing research since freshman year but I hate it and don't want to pursue grad school or work as a lab tech. Ideally I'd like to work with the oil industry or wastewater management. I have right at a 3.0 but am I fucked? What can I do additionally over this summer to help buffer my resume? Other than excel and six sigma online classes...

[Anonymous No.10784981]

>>10784851
>I have right at a 3.0 but am I fucked? What can I do additionally over this summer to help buffer my resume?
Work on improving your GPA? Maybe retake a class you did really badly in.

[Anonymous No.10785042]

>>10768081
What shithole do you live in?

In the U.S. only a licensed Professional Engineer can sign off on any drawings, and the engineer must be licensed in the specific state where they are doing work.

In order to get an engineering license, one must have a bachelor's of science in their area of expertise, as well as years of technical experience in their field signed off by the company they work for (Engineer in Training). Then they take a rather rigorous exam in order to be licensed.

[Anonymous No.10785162]

>>10765043
UK: My company specializes in being contractors in energy systems design, manufacturing and installations/commissioning for heating and cooling applications in hospitals and universities.

It's a rather small company and we have 6 design engineers from the mechanical and electrical fields and 4 project managers that work between office and site. The rest 20-30 are technicians on specific roles for manufacturing, installing and commissioning purposes.

So the most well-paid role is being a project manager obviously and coming from uni I was shocked to find out 2/4 project managers were actually degree-less. They were really smart people that learned the design aspect of engineers up to basic understating to combine with the practicality needed to arrange shit happening around the site and move actions forward.

[Anonymous No.10785237]

>>10784806
>>10785042
>he thinks that licensure actually matters
Nigga, there are so many exceptions that literally nobody cares. You are still in college and it shows.

[Anonymous No.10785271]

>>10785237
I'm a structural engineer, and at least for my discipline, you're dead wrong. No city in the entire country will ever give you a build permit without a Professional Engineer's seal.

[Anonymous No.10785297]

>>10785237
You are wrong. It is in the best interest of investors, owners, and contractors alike for everything to have an engineer's seal, because the seal moves an enormous amount of responsibility and liability onto the licensed engineer and away from them. Not to mention that it is illegal and highly penalized to circumvent licensure requirements due to the risk posed to public safety.

[Anonymous No.10785304]

>>10785237
Lol sounds like you just work at a shitty company dude

[Anonymous No.10785335]

I'm currently a Technician/Technologist about to go back to school to be an engineer and this thread is seriously making me feel discouraged.

[Anonymous No.10785344]

I am a business engineer

[Anonymous No.10785375]

I'm currently a Technician/Technologist about to go back to school to be an engineer, but this thread is seriously making me feel discouraged. I'm starting to wonder, is it even worth it to become an engineer? This thread confirms my suspicion that most engineers are essentially business majors that attempted calculus. I don't want to live this pointless, bureaucratic wheel spinning nightmare. Like most hopeful engineers I want to participate in making cool shit. What the fuck do I do with my life.

[Anonymous No.10785455]

>>10785271
Civil engineering is different. For 90% of the stuff most engineers work on, you will never need a stamp. People itt just want to larp as doctors and pretend that they're not poorly paid cubicle monkeys.
>>10785297
>>10785304
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[Anonymous No.10785461]

>>10785271
What is the easiest to use program for designing steel/wood structures, with connector detailing? Autodesk Robot is a nightmare

[Anonymous No.10785472]

>>10785455
It's almost like 90% of what engineers work on isn't engineering work

[Anonymous No.10785502]

>>10785461
My company primarily designs wooden structures with some steel and reinforced concrete. We use ENERCALC and some proprietary Excel sheets for the calculations themselves, and revit / AutoCAD for the modeling.

If you're talking about 3d modeling, I have used Rhino in the past to model steel connections and they came out very nice.

[Anonymous No.10785509]

>>10785461
I didn't really answer your question well though. To clarify, Enercalc works really nicely for beam/column design, steel connection design, nail spacing, etcetera. it's very easy to get the hang of and will incorporate any version of ASCE and NDS you want.

[Anonymous No.10785533]

>>10785502
>and some proprietary Excel sheets
Stone age tech

>I have used Rhino in the past to model steel connections
Also stone age tech and I say this as someone who used Rhino

Why isn't there a simple, easy to use structural designing program with real time simulation? Like Polybridge, where you can see how the structure will actually behave. I don't want to setup load cases only to forget about something like a truck hitting the building. I don't want asinine UI's like this either.

[Anonymous No.10785632]

>>10785533
Top cringe

[Anonymous No.10786390]

>>10785533
>hurr durr engineering is super serious business!!!11!!one
>btw I'm too dumb to figure out how FEA works and need it dumbed down for me into an Apple-tier program
The absolute state of engineers. This is why engineering degrees are worthless. And I say that as an engineer.

[Anonymous No.10786469]

>>10785162
>I was shocked to find out 2/4 project managers were actually degree-less
I've noticed too that most project managers I've worked with don't have an engineering degree, usually it's an MBA.

[Anonymous No.10786494]

>>10776936
Jose?

[Anonymous No.10786721]

>>10785533
As a structural engineer...you really don't need more than some proprietary Excel sheets for the vast majority of residential and commercial projects. The reason companies don't shell out the money for the kind of specialty softwares you're talking about is because it would be an enormous waste of money.

It's so, so much faster/cheaper/easier to make some assumptions thatake all calculations easier, and then build in lots of safety factors to ensure those assumptions don't fail and call it a day. There's no reason to use finite element analysis on every single beam in a project to make sure every member is perfectly optimized. You'll shave %10 off the cost of materials and add 200% to the cost of labor.

[Anonymous No.10786725]

>>10785533
Also,

>Rhino
>Stone-age tech

This is ludicrous, rhino has incredible visual programming capabilities with Grasshopper that rivals Dynamo/Revit, and that's saying a lot. The rendering capabilities of rhino are superb and insanely optimized. Rhino is the shit for visual modeling and programming.

Obviously rhino is ass for doing calculations, because that's not what rhino is for.

[Anonymous No.10786784]

Graduating soon with no internship experience. Lol

[Anonymous No.10786850]

>>10786784
Good luck anon. My uni makes it compulsory to have at least 3 months of interning under your belt before you can even graduate.

[Anonymous No.10786861]

>>10786850
>My uni makes it compulsory to have at least 3 months of interning under your belt before you can even graduate.
what the fuck is this
i've never heard of this before.

[Anonymous No.10786867]

how many years of research do undergrads typically have for engineering MScs

i only have 1, and I've already graduated. how do I get more research experience?

[Anonymous No.10786870]

>>10786867
They let just about anybody into an MSc. Having any research experience at all puts you ahead.

[Anonymous No.10786871]

>>10786861
It counted as a subject in your 4th year at the uni I went to back in 2014. Most people I knew tried to find an internship over the holiday break after 2nd or 3rd year, but others screwed up by waiting until all of their key subjects had finished - basically delaying their graduation by 6-12+ months if they couldn't find a placement.

[Anonymous No.10786903]

>>10786784
>lol dude lol I fucked myself and now I'm won't be able to find a job dude lol
You deserve to fail.

[Anonymous No.10786905]

>>10786903
no internships isn't a death sentence.
there are plenty of people who don't do one since they work full-time.

[Anonymous No.10786906]

>>10786903
Why do people study engineering if you need an internship to find a job? You're not guaranteed an internship. Seems like a massive meme.

[Anonymous No.10786909]

>>10786784
same desu
3.8 GPA, several projects, placed well in hackathons, 2.5 years of research

but I'm White and male so no internships for me.

[Anonymous No.10786967]

>>10786903
I already know how fucked I am. Will probably end my life soon. Literally have nothing to live for and haven’t for years, been coasting by accomplishing nothing.

[Anonymous No.10786974]

Only thing hitting my inbox is rejection emails hahaha

[Anonymous No.10787003]

>>10786906

Progressive credentialism marches on just as all of academia pushes the college degree meme.

And to think just half a century ago, getting a bullshit political science degree with a 2.6 gpa was a one way ticket to at least the upper middle class.

[Anonymous No.10787019]

>>10784851
Learn CAD, Revit, SolidWorks or brush up on C/Python

[Anonymous No.10787021]

>>10779122
Already have a gf from high school ya nerd.