Why gay?

[Anonymous No.10752408]

What determines ones sexuality? Nature, nurture?

[Anonymous No.10752429]

>>10752408
Both

[Anonymous No.10752432]

>>10752408
Mix of both (genetics and environment). What is yet to be determined is in what percentages.

[Anonymous No.10752445]

Hope this is a legit question and not another /pol/ tier thread trying to prove that homosexuality is transmitted by trauma etc etc

Studies suggest that there's a "gay gene" but it's a resent research which should be studied further, really interesting tho (Why and how would a "gay gene" be passed on?)

But if studies with twins showed anything it's that everything is somewhat genetic and somewhat environemental

[Anonymous No.10752453]

>>10752408
Read on wikipedia that it had something to do with male/female dominance

[Anonymous No.10753782]

>>10752445
Not OP, but can you show me this study of the being a "gay gene"?

[Anonymous No.10753821]

>>10752408
i know identical twins one's gay. their faces look different in gay face/not gay face way

[Anonymous No.10753823]

>>10752408
Isn't it something to do with mothers treating subsequent male fetuses differently because of hormones or some such from the first?

[Anonymous No.10753847]

>>10752408
Why does this even matter? It simply *is*, and not just among humans.

[Anonymous No.10753848]

>>10752408
The younger brothers also has a higher chance to become gay because of the treatment of his brothers.

So I'd say it's a combination of social and biologocal factors, like exactly everyone else

[Anonymous No.10754752]

Personality is a learned behavior. There is literally no such thing as identity. Get over it faggot.

The nature vs Nurture argument ended with the discovery of epigenetics. Short answer, nurturing is an enviornmental factor, and so is genetics. Brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10754783]

>>10752408
Research on topic is politically incorrect so good luck finding anything in European languages. Chinese research papers might exist.

>>10753847
Behold the morbid anti-intellectualism of faggot agenda pushers. You cocksuckers are no different from creationists.

[Anonymous No.10754831]

>>10752408
Neurology.

[Anonymous No.10754871]

>>10754752
Epigenetics are just genes you already had expressing themselves, your genetics are still a dealt hand.

[Anonymous No.10754935]

>>10752408
There's definitely something about how you grew up but it's definitely still an adaptation.
I get that there is a motif of 'the failed male acts as female' but theres plenty of loser dudes who still crave the puss to the end and plenty of highly attractive men who turn out to be homosexual.
It's a specific pathway in the brain that gets lit up for some people. Regardless of how it's activated, you have to consider that it is there.

[Anonymous No.10754938]

>>10752408
I think that it is actually just how much you value personality in a partner. Think about it: why are gay people thought of as stereotypically artsy and fashion-savvy, etc.? These are signs of a strong personality, and it makes sense that they appreciate the same. But women are the opposite of strong personalities, women are basically neural networks that failed at being men. So I think that is it. If pussy can make up for a personality for you, you are straight. If it can't, you are gay.

[Anonymous No.10754972]

>>10753821
Hows your straight brother

[Anonymous No.10755004]

>>10752408
Homosexuality is transmitted from old homosexuals to children through molestation and rape. This is often proceeded by a period of "grooming" lasting one to three years where the victim is made through a variety of manipulative psychological techniques to trust and even "love" his abuser.

[Anonymous No.10755027]

>>10754831
>>10752408
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/03/040309073256.htm

[Anonymous No.10755069]

>>10752445
The other thing twins have in common is that they come from the same womb. It could be due to some temporary hormonal imbalance in the mother during development.

[Anonymous No.10755260]

>>10752408
It's determined in embryo stage who will be gay. The more boys a mother bears in a rope the more chance they have to become gay.
The first boy child has the least chance to become gay.
The the second boy child has 30% more chance to become gay then the first child.
The the third boy child has 30% more chance to become gay then the second child.
The the fourth boy child has 30% more chance to become gay then the third child.
etc.

[Anonymous No.10755371]

>>10755004
Not all homosexuals are molested though. And by that idea, where did the first homosexual come from?

[Anonymous No.10755413]

>>10755371
Didn’t you know? Raped by a monkey.

[Anonymous No.10755422]

Whether you like engineering lol

[Anonymous No.10755442]

>>10752408
>What determines ones sexuality? Nature, nurture?

almost every homosexual was molested as a child.

[Anonymous No.10755461]

>>10752408
Distinction is to vague between straight and homosexual.
For example one could masturbate to gay pornography but not pursue men in any romantic/sexual way in real life - would that make him gay ?

[Anonymous No.10755480]

>>10755461
Yes, you are gay.

[Anonymous No.10755495]

>>10755480
So a man who masturbates to gay porn but has a wife and children (which he made) is gay ?
At what point do you decide that ?
What if i was walking next to a dude and we accidentally touched dicks , would that make us gay even if we are just two straight guys ?

[Anonymous No.10755506]

>>10755495
You enjoyed the gay porn so you are gay. If you enjoyed rubbing dicks with that dude that’s also make you gay. Having a wife makes you smart gay. If I waa gay I’d also have a trophy wife to reproduce and be gay on the down low.

[Anonymous No.10755515]

>>10755506
Well what if i was doing all that guy stuff ironically ?
Sorta like how i pretend i still enjoy coming to this place even when all the fun died down long ago

[Anonymous No.10755527]

>>10755515
Still gay. Being straight is the default. Just having the idea of ironically being gay is gay. You are just rationalizing.

[Anonymous No.10755539]

>>10755527
Thinking that doing something gay ironically is still gay seems antithetical to the meaning behind the word ironic , wouldnt you say ?

[Anonymous No.10755542]

>>10755539
It means you are in the closet. Just come out already. Your wife will enjoy the threesomes with Long dick Johnson

[Anonymous No.10755554]

>>10755539
No..?

[Anonymous No.10755574]

You all should read into the oxytocin experiments run by the Chinese.

[Anonymous No.10755592]

>>10755574
Give a rundown and how it's related to faggots.

[Anonymous No.10755633]

>>10755542
Im not even married fag
I just like watching feminine guys fuck and gachimuchi, perfectly straight

[Anonymous No.10755663]

>>10755592
China is running experiments on faggots that were put into special hospitals by their families. They began spraying oxytocin up their noses and around 30-40% said they experienced change. The ones that didn't experience change likely weren't given high enough doses of oxytocin.

[Anonymous No.10755681]

>>10755663
>actually wanting gay people to become straight
This is degenerate.

[Anonymous No.10755707]

>>10755681
>curing diseases is wrong
Are you an eugenicist?

[The Internet Police No.10755775]

You see, sexuality is determined by a variety of environmental and genetic factors. It's hard to say.

[The Internet Police No.10755780]

>>10755527
Homosexuality is not a choice. It's defined by a variety of environmental and genetic factors. Get your Sweet Home Alabama ass outta here

[Anonymous No.10755811]

>>10755707
I wouldn't want a straight person becoming gay either. That's also why I wouldn't date bisexuals. Just the thought that he would have slept with women disgust me, and if I were a straight woman the thought that he would have slept with men would disgust me too. Why are people so autistic that they don't get such a simple thing ?
In any case a disease is something that harms the body, and being gay doesn't.

[Anonymous No.10755825]

>>10753823
>>10753848
Fraternal birth order's effect on sexuality is the same regardless of family situation. Adopted children, separated children etc all show the same trend.

[Anonymous No.10755828]

>>10755825
>Adopted children [...] show the same trend.
Now that's weird.

[Anonymous No.10755855]

>>10752408
I have too many friends who were bi-curious or experimented who are now 'definitely straight' after they had a child with some bimbo slut (since I'm an actual fag I for some reason get to be the confidant for their degeneracy).
I'm leaning towards bisexuality being the most common nature and people then just pick a side depending on their experiences and environment.

If the scientific fields dedicated to analyzing human behavior weren't pure garbage/female dominated we might actually have good answers to this.

[Anonymous No.10755907]

>>10755811
>being gay doesn't harm the body

[Anonymous No.10755908]

>>10755663
Interesting. There are just two problems with that
1. forced admission so incentive to lie
2. self-reporting in general

They should show volunteering certified faggots normal porn and homoporn, measure penile response to those + facial micro-expressions. That's how I'd do it.

[Anonymous No.10755926]

>>10755908
You can read more about it here https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-01/chinese-researchers-experiment-anti-gay-spray

[Anonymous No.10755927]

>>10755907
>being gay harms the body
Of course if you sleep around like a dumbass and have retarded sexual practices it will harm you, but that's no in way inherent to being gay.

[Anonymous No.10755946]

>>10755828
points toward it being genetic.

[Anonymous No.10755953]

>>10755946
If it's genetic then how would the genes be passed down if they can't reproduce? The gay gene would've died out a long time ago if it were, in fact, genetic.

[Anonymous No.10756059]

>>10755527
There are 7 scales of sexuality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

[Anonymous No.10756067]

>>10756059
>"There are 7 scales of sexuality."
>Posts 1

[Anonymous No.10756071]

>>10756059
Enough with this shit. Kinsey literally used child raping to do his "studies".

[Anonymous No.10756109]

>>10752408
The more people I meet in my life the more sure I am that bisexuality is a fetish. It's something that can develop and click in anyone's brain given the right conditioning.
It has led me to the conclusion that sexual orientation is something you can be born with but is not something you are necessarily born with.

[Anonymous No.10756112]

>>10752445
>homosexuality is transmitted by trauma etc etc
care to try to disprove that fact?

[Anonymous No.10756115]

>>10755413
confound those monkeys...

[Anonymous No.10756122]

>>10755633
you're just in the early phases

[Anonymous No.10756132]

>>10752408

My theory is that it is a pathological virus, Toxoplasma which changes a persons sexuality and spreads through more likely homosexual sex.

Also, very rarely, a genetic mutation like schizophrenia.

Lastly, it is increasingly environmental. And spread through rape and grooming.

[Anonymous No.10756149]

>>10752445
>expecting serious debates about this kind of topic on 4chan instead of biased pol seething

[Anonymous No.10756169]

>>10756132
I honestly can't tell if you're taking the piss or not.

[Anonymous No.10756252]

>>10756149
agreed, let's go have a real intellectual thread on reddit, and never come back

[Anonymous No.10756264]

>>10752408
Circumcision, castration anxiety, early childhood trauma, early umbilical clamping.

Possibly vaccination or atrazine.

Exclusive homosexualitry could also be quit simply a mental illness. ie, early childhood trauma, castration anxiety, so on.

I'm apt to think nurture. I imagine it would require a specific type of trauma to a specific type of person, at a certain developmental window. Neuroinflammation may be adequate.

[Anonymous No.10756318]

anything warm and soft that directly stimulates your genitals feels good due to our genetic endowment. this is not debatable.

the "attraction" and "erotic" parts are purely psychological conditioning and a result of cumulative life experiences. thoughts, feelings, speech, beliefs, and ideas about sex are learned/taught. this is also not debatable.

[Anonymous No.10756927]

>>10755495
Bisexual

[Anonymous No.10756928]

>>10756149
Do you feel raped?

[Anonymous No.10756934]

>>10755953
>how would the genes be passed down if they can't reproduce?
Since when being gay makes a man infertile? Gay men have had children and continue to have children. You don't even need to have sex with a woman now just inject sperm into a surrogate

[Anonymous No.10757028]

>>10752408
self-awareness
For instance, I used to be heterosexual, but after refining my understanding of my sexuality, I discovered that I do enjoy men, just not all men, only men with narrow noses and some other traits like perhaps a stubble or dark hair, or intense eyebrows.

I feel more comfortable as a result of having a complex understanding of how I am, so that if sometimes I feel that I was mistaken about my sexuality, I can remind myself that even if I don't like this guy, I do like other guys and that there is thus no cognitive dissonance.

[Anonymous No.10757043]

>>10752408
It depends on genetics for sure and nurture might activate and influence how genes play a part in your brain's development but I think genetics have a bigger role. I know guys that grew up in conditions that would've increased their chances of being gay by a lot and yet they grew up to be heterosexuals. It's possible the way you process your environment may have something to do with it too. The way you think, the way you react to things with your senses, etc. I'm guessing this is also how you end up being bisexual too.

[Anonymous No.10757073]

>>10752408
Being molested as a kid. No one is born gay, it's literally impossible to be born without the only purpose humans have - to extend the species.

[Anonymous No.10757081]

I’m pretty sure it’s a developmental defect, maybe due to some kind of teratogen. You can tell just by looking at their faces that something is off. Especially where the cheeks meet the nose. Maybe a chemical interfering with FGF8 or something similar in facial development (also affects androgen).

[Anonymous No.10757096]

>>10757073
lmao, that's a mean to an end, a flawed one at that, the purpose humies and all biologicals have is, extending their lifespan, problem is, being alive is not different from not, so the most stable elements are inherently superior to any bio fag.

[Anonymous No.10757103]

>>10757073
What exactly prevents a homosexual from reproducing?

[Anonymous No.10757184]

>>10757073
>the only purpose humans have - to extend the species.
Imagine believing you're such a mindless automaton. If that's the only purpose to life then according to that logic rape is okay, among other (in fact all of them) evils.

[Anonymous No.10757196]

>>10755811
Faggots are willing to sleep with women.

[Anonymous No.10757217]

>>10757196
Not anymore than you're willing to sleep with men, I assure you.

[Anonymous No.10757325]

>>10757217
On the contrary, I have no problem sharing a bed with my bosom frens. Yet another beautiful thing the homosexual seeks to profane and take from us.

[Anonymous No.10757442]

>>10752408

Homosexuality and Transexuality are nothing but fetishes gone too far.


>Why Masochism
>Why Peodophilia
>Why Zoophilia
>Why Necrophilia
>...
Humans naturally develop fetishes,some are more prevalent than others, some are stronger than others

Fetish Intensity is determined by Axome Myelinisation (just like habits)

Therefore the earlier it starts, and tge more invested one is in it the stronger it manifests into adulthood.

Homosexuals and Transexuals are only kids who developed these fetishes into their Childhood.

[Anonymous No.10757580]

>>10757442
I guess those sheeps were really just into a fetish then.>>10755027

[Anonymous No.10757595]

>>10756112
care to prove it with any statistics or studies that aren't the /pol/ norm of lies by omission?

[Anonymous No.10757624]

>>10757580
Yes animals can develop fetishes see this sea lion raping a penguin: https://youtu.be/WtlR2TgG0kQ

[Anonymous No.10757630]

>>10757624
Rape isn't a fetish, rape is rape. In any case, preferring one gender over the other to the point of refusing to copulate with the other is much more than a fetish. It shouldn't be that difficult to understand.

[Anonymous No.10757637]

>>10752408
I've succesfully conditioned myself to be bi so I don't buy the "born this way" bullshit, though it might apply to some individuals.

[Anonymous No.10757639]

>>10757637
>I've succesfully conditioned myself to be bi
Degenerate.

[Anonymous No.10757640]

>>10757630
The fetish has created a deep seated habit in the person, thanks to sexual intercourse dopamine releases no need to mystify the phenomenon.

[Anonymous No.10757642]

>>10755413
How did the monkey become homosexual?

[Anonymous No.10757643]

>>10757642
It fell on a stick

[Anonymous No.10757644]

>>10752408
Both

[Anonymous No.10757645]

>>10757639
Don't be jealous, I've only had one sex partner in my life.

[Anonymous No.10757650]

>>10757643
How did the stick become homosexual?
>>10757073
>it's literally impossible to be born without the only purpose humans have - to extend the species.
It's literally, provably possible. You can be born infertile. You can be born without a brain. You can be born with a myriad other defects that stop you from procreating directly or indirectly.

[Anonymous No.10757652]

>>10757640
A habit based on dopamine is not enough to explain that.

[Anonymous No.10757658]

>>10757652
Why

[Anonymous No.10757665]

>>10757652
If I get the habit of eating a lot of salty food, it doesn't mean that I'll not enjoy sugary food to the point of refusing it.

[Anonymous No.10757667]

>>10757665
Meant for >>10757658

[Anonymous No.10757669]

>>10757665
You just explained bisexuals. Who generally acquired their fetish later in life.

[Anonymous No.10757672]

>>10752408
how do I get a cute bf lads?
t. straight cis guy

[Anonymous No.10757674]

>>10757665
Also dopamine realeases during masturbation or sex are more akeen to these of during substance abuse.

[Anonymous No.10757679]

>>10757674
Are you saying heterosexuals are like drug-addicts ? Why should we listen to them as authorities when they say homophobic things then ?

[Anonymous No.10757683]

>>10757679
They make babies

[Anonymous No.10757686]

>>10757683
Who know who else makes babies ? Drug addicts.

[Anonymous No.10757688]

>>10757686
I meat smart babies

[Anonymous No.10757692]

>>10757686
You know*

[Anonymous No.10757995]

Why do people have such a hard time understanding something so simple as being gay?
Even if being gay was always a choice, there's nothing wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.10757997]

>>10752408
both

[Anonymous No.10758126]

>>10752408
>Nature, nurture?
neurological illness.

[Anonymous No.10758153]

>>10756122
fuck you college boy

[Anonymous No.10758264]

>>10756059
There aren't "7 scales of sexuality". This isn't science. My point isn't that Kinsey is unscientific, or that the other anon is correct. It's simply not true that there exists 7 categories of sexual preference. This is simply a useful system of categorization, not an objective description of the sexual categories that "really" exist. Sinve these arent natural kind terms, he just have well identified 5, 10, or 15 categories instead of 7.

[Anonymous No.10759126]

>>10757096
except all the species that die shortly after reproduction

[Anonymous No.10759160]

>>10755260
source on that? id like to be able to quote it, i have 8 uncles and the youngest one is gay

[Anonymous No.10759797]

>>10757995
>maybe I should listen to the experiences of gay men in order to better understand homosexuality
>nah fuck that its because they were molested because I said so

[Anonymous No.10760233]

>>10759797
here ya go buddy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8

[Anonymous No.10760362]

>>10760233
>going to a gay bar expecting well-adjusted individuals
That's a mistake.

[Anonymous No.10760667]

>>10752408
not naturally I believe animals fuck a "male" when they don't find a "female" to fuck
those fags are just addicted to sex and
they like junkies who only use coke whenever and it doesn't matter the quality
sex is disgusting we should have do it only when we want to have babies

[Anonymous No.10760693]

My sister is lesbian and confessed me that she would like to have a penis.

[Anonymous No.10761804]

>>10760667
>I don't have regular sex so the people who do are degenerate :(

[Anonymous No.10761824]

>>10752408
it's a fetish that involves sexual gratification for male attention, namely because of molestation

probably a super stimulant from male bonding, or maybe just a desire for submission

stefan molyneux has a show where a male caller reveals he found out he wasn't gay when he realized it was just because he hated his mother, so sought male attention

you have to remember that the anus isn't a sexual organ, so the 'it's natural' argument is retarded

[Anonymous No.10761845]

>>10761824
>stefan molyneux
Fucking Christ imagine believing that schizo
>you have to remember that the anus isn't a sexual organ, so the 'it's natural' argument is retarded
Wow it's not like straight people do and enjoy anal, right?

[Anonymous No.10761852]

>>10761845
>Fucking Christ imagine believing that schizo
Not an argument

>Wow it's not like straight people do and enjoy anal, right?

Read again retard, it's a fetish; anal sex isn't a natural form of intercourse it a fetish

Anal sex is unhygienic, has no natural lubrication, and doesn't produce offspring

[Anonymous No.10761856]

>>10761852
so it is a*

[Anonymous No.10761868]

>>10761852
>anal sex isn't a natural form of intercourse
Completely irrelevant. The means in which people have sex are don't really matter. Weather something is "natural" is not an argument in in favor or against homosexuality. Humans are not slaves to evolution or biology.
By that logic, heterosexual intercourse that does not result in offspring is just as wrong

[Anonymous No.10761870]

>>10761852
Also, yes citing a youtuber who constantly misuses and is disingenuous with his sources is retarded

[Anonymous No.10761878]

>>10761868

>The means in which people have sex are don't really matter.

Anal sex results in damage if done on any frequent basis or even at all. It's also unhygenic and is far more likely to spread disease and urinary infections. Hence, it is not equal to natural heterosexual sex

>Weather something is "natural" is not an argument in in favor or against homosexuality.

I wasn't arguing that homosexuality should be abolished, I just stated it for what it is, a fetish

>Humans are not slaves to evolution or biology.
By that logic, heterosexual intercourse that does not result in offspring is just as wrong

Has no basis on what I am saying. The complexity of human behaviour doesn't make anal sex safe, nor does it remove the statistics around homosexuals concerning their promiscuity, higher rates of drug abuse, sexual diseases and sexual abuse

Homosexuality is a byproduct of a number of factors, namely the complexity of human bonding and sexuality, but it still doesn't not make it a fetish or less dangerous.

The most common factor in all of this is child abuse

[Anonymous No.10761881]

>>10761852
>Anal sex is unhygienic
If you are doing it wrong
>has no natural lubrication
That's what lube is for
>and doesn't produce offspring
Good.

[Anonymous No.10761882]

>>10761870
Notice that you're just attacking him as some form of argument, when I never even said Stefan made this case.

A caller made this case, a caller who went through this process of understanding how he wasn't a homosexual before he even called in

Pathetic

[Anonymous No.10761885]

>>10761878
>The most common factor in all of this is child abuse
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.10761887]

>>10761881
>I can use enemas and lube and have no kids so I am equal to heterosexual relationships that produce children

mentally ill fag

[Anonymous No.10761891]

>>10761882
Are you seriously suggesting something a caller said in a program is something that can make you draw conclusions about all homosexuals?
Like it has been said, even if being gay was a choice there is nothing wrong with it. Most likely that guy was bisexual.

[Anonymous No.10761893]

>>10761887
Not equal, Better.

[Anonymous No.10761894]

>>10761885
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.1986.58.1.327

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01543199

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.2466/pr0.1995.76.2.611

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1525-1497.1997.012004250.x

[Anonymous No.10761898]

>>10761891
>Are you seriously suggesting something a caller said in a program is something that can make you draw conclusions about all homosexuals
> all homosexuals

I never said that, I just gave an example as to why the argument that it's because people are 'born gay' has no standing

[Anonymous No.10761900]

>>10761887
Homosexuals can have children though

[Anonymous No.10761902]

>>10761900
yeah when liberals give them children to rape

[Anonymous No.10761910]

>>10761894
https://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

[Anonymous No.10761917]

>>10761910
>https://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

I never said homosexuals were child molestors, I said that homosexuals were far more likely to have been sexually molested as children

[Anonymous No.10761920]

>>10761894
Study no.2

Because male homosexuals have usually been found to have poorer relationships with their fathers than male heterosexuals, and because children who are disappointments to their parents are more likely to be physically abused than other children, it was hypothesized that gays are more likely than heterosexual men to have been physically abused by parents. This hypothesis was tested comparing 17 gay male college students and 67 heterosexual male college students. Gay males were found to have been more abused during adolescence. Abuse was related to a history of childhood femininity, to having poor relationships with fathers, and to having engaged in gay sex during adolescence. A history of childhood femininity and engaging in gay sex may provoke parental abuse.

[Anonymous No.10761926]

>>10761894
One of the top links on study 3

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1079063215618378

Research suggests that there is a relation between childhood sexual abuse (CSA) and adulthood nonheterosexual orientation. To explore whether nonheterosexual orientation increases the risk of CSA, we recruited a large sample, added the variable of childhood gender nonconformity (CGNC), and applied the instrumental variable method. We found that heterosexual and nonheterosexual men who were more gender nonconforming in childhood were significantly more likely to report having a history of CSA than their gender-conforming counterparts. There was no relation between CSA and CGNC for heterosexual and nonheterosexual women. The instrumental variable analysis revealed that the increased prevalence of CSA experienced by nonheterosexuals compared with heterosexuals may be due to the influence of sexual orientation on CSA. In sum, the results suggest that nonheterosexuality may increase the risk of childhood sexual abuse.

[Anonymous No.10761937]

>>10752429
based old perv

[Anonymous No.10761963]

>>10752408
The only reference point available for humans is animals. Either a single gay animal has ever been identified, or they are so few in number I am not aware of them, i.e. that exclusively prefers sex with its own rather than the normal opposite. Based on this evidence, at least the vast majority of people concluding they were born gay is due to nurture.

[Anonymous No.10761971]

>>10752408 (OP)
The only reference point available for humans is animals. Either a single gay animal has never been identified, or they are so few in number I am not aware of them, i.e. that exclusively prefers sex with its own rather than the normal opposite. Based on this evidence, at least the vast majority of people concluding they were born gay is due to nurture.