/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10737190]

What keeps some unethical lab somewhere (say, North Korea, China, Iran, whatever) from just breeding resistant strains of micro-organisms?

Say just making ultra antibiotic resistant bacteria on purpose? From the little I understand about the topic this is actually pretty easy to do with not a lot of material, right?

What if they wanted to boost some virus by reproducing it a lot and looking for specific mutations. Say, airborne HIV that can survive and be transmitted through saliva.

Is this already happening? It seems much less complex than current CRISPR shit and other such technologies.

[Anonymous No.10737196]

>What keeps someone from doing something retarded
Common sense.

[Anonymous No.10737200]

>>10737196
Most first world countries spend a ton of time and money researching and building nuclear weapons to show off power.
They could literally make an arguably much simpler but more destructive and uncontrollable thing with a few petri dishes.
What is stopping them?

[Anonymous No.10737202]

>>10737190
There are easier ways. Say, for the sake of example, that some remnants from an ancient civilization that never evolved past raping women, stoning people, and specially beheading outsiders, was still alive. Instead of being fancy and inventing some kind of new virus (which could then spread to your population), how about you only send those hypothetical people into the countries of your enemies and see what happens. Same effect basically. Much cheaper too.

[Anonymous No.10737212]

>>10737196
>common sense
Holy shit, how naive are you to think that people and governments actually have common sense?

[Anonymous No.10737219]

>>10737202
10/10 anon, I laughed

[Anonymous No.10737380]

>>10737200
>but more destructive and uncontrollable thing
that exactly, it can always backfire one way or another
besides I'm 85% that already do that behind closed doors

[Anonymous No.10737398]

>North Korea
>Iran
their scientists have more important things to do, like building nukes

>China
They have their civil obedience metric where if you get caught making antibiotic resistant super bugs, or even jaywalking, they make it so you can't get loans or a passport and generally make your live living hell.
This is what happened to that Chinese scientist who CRISPRd a human baby with HIV immunity.

[Anonymous No.10737408]

>>10737200
The difference is that if a little bit of nuclear material gets out of the lab, it's not likely to wipe out your whole nation. If you've made super-flu-HIV-herpes, a little bit getting out is horribly dangerous.

>>10737398
>civil obedience
We're not necessarily talking about a civilian lab making anything.

[Anonymous No.10737414]

>>10737202
I wish this was a joke.

[Anonymous No.10737471]

>>10737408
>We're not necessarily talking about a civilian lab making anything.
Oh, if you mean what's stopping Goverments from doing this?
that would be the The Biological Weapons Convention of 1972

[Anonymous No.10737546]

>>10737202
North Korea, hire this guy

[Anonymous No.10737560]

>>10737190
Alphabet agencies and black operations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Outside_the_Box

[Anonymous No.10737708]

it already happened years ago and now they are just working on making it target certain races.

[Anonymous No.10737713]

>>10737471
>He thinks this actually stops powerful nations
You realize that not even half of the countries that signed that convention even submit to the annual reports it's only value is in publicity

[Anonymous No.10737948]

>>10737202
holy shit

[Anonymous No.10738236]

Unfortunately nothing successfully keeps them from doing just that, and they all are! I call this type of sci knowledge without wisdom equals disaster.! Experiments are required for advancing however they should be more controlled...

What does keep say iran who are supporters of terror from unleashing is control, they maintain more control using this as a thread and potential than releasing it. And also once released no control over it can be fully guaranteed even if vaccines exist, hence their selfdemise! unfortunately rumor is iran had labs like this through our Europe!

[Anonymous No.10738302]

>>10737202
Except Nazis did even worse things not even a century ago. When the enemies have potential for worse things and they're actually making a come back through Nazi parties I guess you could say you're killing two birds with one stone by meshing those two together

[Anonymous No.10738333]

>>10737200
It's about sending a message. We don't want to use this, but we can if you fuck with us. Just using an invisible microbe is good for putting on a magic act, but it doesn't bode well for diplomacy if your playing with the possibility of decimation.

[Anonymous No.10740104]

>>10737190
>spend millions of dollars on creating a superbug
>lab buddy dies from exposure
>try really hard to dose it into someone who will reach a foreign power
>finally manage it
>USAAMRID and the CDC isolate all cases of it within a week or two and identify bacteriophages or antibiotics that can kill it.
Why bioterrorize T_T

[Anonymous No.10740111]

>>10737190
This is precisely why we need a global government and global justice system with extreme oversight. If only people could cast aside their outdated ideologies, we would accomplish so much. I don't blame the elites for acting in the shadows and perhaps even forming a breakaway civilisation. The masses are so stupid.

[Anonymous No.10740152]

>>10740111
Trips of based and truthpilled
You are a gentleman and a scholar. “Muh New World Order” could unironically be the best thing to happen to humanity if executed properly

And with AI superintelligence it will unironically need to happen soon. Or else we will have complete destruction as countries (Chima, Iran) cut corners to build competing AI and don’t bother putting in safety mechanisms

[Anonymous No.10740153]

>>10737200
>They could literally make an arguably much simpler but more destructive and uncontrollable thing with a few petri dishes.
>What is stopping them?

The uncontrollable part, which means that the researchers and the government officials running them would also be likely to die.

>>10737212
>Holy shit, how naive are you to think that people and governments actually have common sense?

In any group of people large enough to run a research lab, there is likely to be at least one who says "Hey, wait, this will kill me and you and everybody we love."

[Anonymous No.10740158]

>>10737190
The consequences of biological warfare are certain and sudden annihilation by nuclear hell fire or a retaliation with more advanced pathogens. You understand that the US has its own biological weapons programs right?

[Anonymous No.10740229]

>>10740111
why tf you trust the 'elites' or governments, they are just as human and corruptible as you and i. I would rather be lead by that very same AI superintelligence than petty humans, that have been at war with each other since dawn of time.

[Anonymous No.10740302]

>>10737202
I'll need water for that pill

[Anonymous No.10740308]

>>10740111
>le globalist utopia meme

[Anonymous No.10740335]

>>10737190
A lack of scientific knowledge and reasons for first world scientists to defect to communist hell holes.

[Anonymous No.10741581]

>>10737190
>>10737200
>uncontrollable thing
There’s your answer.

[Anonymous No.10741587]

>>10738302
>they're actually making a come back through Nazi parties
What are the rape, stoning, and beheading statistics for these “Nazi parties” you speak of?

[Anonymous No.10741589]

>>10740111
>This is precisely why we need a global government
Retard.
>with extreme oversight
Actually lol’d.

[Anonymous No.10741709]

>>10737190
First of all yes this research does exist
second of all using biological weapons at a large scale is beyond retarded because of the unintended side effects, you'd basically have to vaccinate all your own people against your own biological weapon and that would be extremly suspicious to any spys in your country who could sabatoge that process.

[Anonymous No.10741717]

>>10737190
For state actors most bioweapons have too high of a risk of backfiring if it crosses borders and/or travels by air and sea. B. anthracis is a notable exception, and that bacterium scares the fuck out of me, especially when you see the literal tons of it the Soviets, British, and Americans stockpiled in the Cold War. You can kill thousands for dollars of materials.

[Anonymous No.10741762]

>>10737190
>(say, North Korea, China, Iran, whatever)

yeahhhh of course, the hypothesis of unethical labs in a glorious white west good guy country is very very very thin

[Anonymous No.10742882]

>>10737190
the answer is simple

>why though?

[Anonymous No.10742893]

>>10737190
The general problem with biological weapons is they cannot be controlled - once they're out, they are out, and will attack anything suitable, including you.So unless you're some kind of omnicidal hyper-terrorist, they're completely useless.

[Anonymous No.10742895]

>>10737190
The general problem with biological weapons is they cannot be controlled - once they're out, they are out, and will attack anything suitable, including you.So unless you're some kind of omnicidal hyper-terrorist, they're completely useless.

Also, we have pretty decent defences agains most microorganisms, making them antibiotic resistant would not be enough, you would have also make them somehow deadly enough to even matter, and that still beyond our understanding of how they work.

[Anonymous No.10742897]

>>10737190
Could we modify the African swine fever to attack people? It's almost 100% deadly.

[Anonymous No.10742908]

>>10737190
>What keeps some unethical lab somewhere (say, North Korea, China, Iran, whatever)
What makes you think the U.S. doesn't do unethical stuff

[Anonymous No.10744103]

>>10740152
>don’t bother putting in safety mechanisms
what kinds of things could happen if superintelligent AI goes unchecked

[Anonymous No.10745133]

>>10737190
MAD
Physics, as much as it pains me to say it, will annihilate them for trying. Biology is the weakest of the sciences. Now...as for mind control however...
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