/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10721525]

Hi /sci/, /g/ here.

Redpill me on 5G. I know there hasn't been enough long-term testing to say with complete definitiveness that's it's harmful or not harmful, but in your opinion, do you think it'll fuck everyone up?

[Anonymous No.10721531]

>>10721525
Apparently the laws of physics need to be rewritten, but Bob from Facebook says it's dangerous, and thus must it be.

[Anonymous No.10721536]

It's impossible for non-ionizing radiation to damage you due to the laws of thermodynamics.

It would literally break the laws of nature and give us perpetual motion machines if non-ionizing radiation could affect you in that way.

Therefor it's impossible to cause damage. But I sure hope me and every physicist is wrong and we enter a new golden age of unlimited energy if it turns out it does cause harm.

[Anonymous No.10721540]

>>10721525
While it is pretty damn good tech and the beams are polarized to multiple directions to avoid any polarization, micro deviations in the frequencies in the interference zones between the transmitters need to be monitored closely. If the signal weakens or strengthens, even a little in these areas it could cause ionization and should be monitored closely for harmonic dissonance. In short, watch the points in between two transmitters.

[Anonymous No.10721553]

>>10721540
That's not possible. 5G ues even lower frequencies and bands than 4G. It's basically the least "radiation" emitting tech we've been using so far. Which is also why companies are pushing for it. It's a lot cheaper to operate than the current 4G towers.

Also please realize that the radiation involved is so ridiculously weak that you need to increase them by 1*10^12 in intensity before it becomes as powerful as ultraviolet. Any interference or amplification effect is not even going to come close to ionizing radiation.

The sunlight hitting you and air molecules every second are billions of times more powerful so people afraid of non-ionizing radiation should stay inside all day while letting the radon out of their windows every day as well.

[Anonymous No.10721561]

>>10721536
How do we know that 5g is completely non-ionizing radition?

[Anonymous No.10721566]

>>10721525
>>10721531
>>10721536
>>10721540
>>10721553
>>10721561
Already a thread on it here >>10719646

[Anonymous No.10721568]

>>10721525
>Redpill me on 5G
Stop pretending you haven't already made up your mind, this is your post over on /g/
>>>/g/71392979

[Anonymous No.10721575]

>>10721536
>It's impossible for non-ionizing radiation to damage you due to the laws of thermodynamics
how so? what laws would be broken?

[Anonymous No.10721582]

>>10721536
>the only way radiation can harm you or the environment is by causing free radicals
Are you really this stupid, or are you just hoping everyone else is?

[Anonymous No.10721589]

>>10721525
5G like 4g 3g, will effect us differently but nonetheless still cause a fatigue on our central nervous system over time.

Your body has to readjust everytime after long use of electrical equipment or exposure to wireless EMFs.

[Anonymous No.10721603]

>>10721582
Nigga it breaks the laws of physics, what more do you want me to say? You can skip biology and all that shit because if it breaks physics itself then it isn't worth discussing.

It's IMPOSSIBLE for non-ionizing radiation to cause damage because it breaks the laws of thermodynamics.

This is like those fat americans claiming they haven't eaten in 2 years yet they gained weight. Literally impossible due to the laws of thermodynamics, you don't have to discuss the biology involved.

[Anonymous No.10721607]

Reminder that 5G has less radiation release than 4G and 4G had less radiation release than 3G.

People are being scared of technology that gets less and less potentially harmfull every generation. People here are absolutely retarded or maybe even paid trolls.

[Anonymous No.10721615]

>>10721607
That is true. However !!!!!!!!!!! There needs to be more 5G cell antennas in order to compensate for the fact that milliliter waves in 5G is easily blocked by large objects.

[Anonymous No.10721622]

>>10721531
>Apparently the laws of physics need to be rewritten
Is this facetious? You know those fuckers are at constant flux right?
Please tell me you haven't had any involvement with calibration standards..

[Anonymous No.10721634]

>>10721525
Well I'm no scientist. But I'd think 300Mbit/s traveling at the speed of light trough body tissues may have some negative impacts.
Bit flips can have serious and ongoing problems to ones quality of engagement of mobile networks.

[Anonymous No.10721636]

>>10721634
Intuition of saw this issue coming a thousand miles away. Science? : "UHHHHH NAHHHH it is uhhhhhhhhhhh...... non-ionizing."

Our senses and conventional wisdom has been proven right by science time and time again.

[Anonymous No.10721639]

>>10721634
would of saw*

[Anonymous No.10721676]

>>10721636
My real concern with this whole situation isn't event to do with the transmission method.
It's that this is as a larger pre-planned move to dependence on wireless networks. If you watched Australian politics when the fiber network was going though the parliament. And the parties polices and voters outcomes. You would have seen blatant evidence that the networks design was already set in stone. And that a fuck up with perceived party winnings resulted in the two major factions trading the policy they had 'championed' for the election process of the network. After unexpected voter outcome.
Not backing down the party's position to align with the other. But "Aww fuk this is awkward. We've won this whoops. I'm gonna need the documents for the internet plan off ya. And don't open my packet labeled fiber to the home. Because it's fucking blank",

[Anonymous No.10721687]

>>10721531
nothing needs to be rewritten. its simple really. do you know why AC current generates so much heat ? it moves back and forth. it doesnt just move forward like DC. alternating current has electrons going across the same length of wire more times than DC

wave length of a form of light is the literal length of the "wave" that the electrons will travel when they oscillate. they move forward but also along another axi. for a FM radio signal 140 meters is a quarter wave length or so i believe. 5g is 1 mm wave length. so even as they move at the speed of light... ahaHahahaHA ok i couldnt even finish the sentence its so absurd man made radio and microwave dont move at the speed of light. it moves at about the speed that electricity moves. on paper it doesnt even have a photon. but as the electrons move they will zig zag inside you more than FM radio... like thousands of times more

its so pronounced that they had to stop selling activated carbon in stores if it was the small cones in my state. that shit spontaneously combusted in stores. activated carbon turns radio and microwaves into heat. its the secret ingredient in stealth paint jobs and used by DIY types to smelt metal in your microwave. that shit burned because of 5G testing.

so do you want to be hit with that all day?

[Anonymous No.10721692]

>>10721687
>nothing needs to be rewritten. its simple really. do you know why AC current generates so much heat ? it moves back and forth. it doesnt just move forward like DC. alternating current has electrons going across the same length of wire more times than DC
This had better be bait

[Anonymous No.10721697]

>>10721636
Conventional wisdom says a tan is a sign of health. I don't think it's the best source for radiation knowledge.

[Anonymous No.10721699]

>>10721525
>do you think it'll fuck everyone up
No

How many times do you need to be given this answer?

[Anonymous No.10721708]

>>10721692
aren't they meant to use a pocketwatch or something to demonstrate this?

[Anonymous No.10721730]

>>10721634
>he thinks the amount of information encoded in the signal is relevant to biological dangers...at all
Should have stopped reading the moment you admitted you dont know science
Tip: your biology wouldnt know the difference mbetwren 10Mbits/s and 100Gbits/s

[Anonymous No.10721736]

>>10721525
It’s perfectly healthy like mercury, lithium, asbestos, and fluoride.

[Anonymous No.10721830]

>>10721525
5g can't penetrate the skin. Frequencies above 30 GHz penetrate less than a millimeter into the skin and
gets lower as you increase the frequency.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17929264/
>>10721540
dude what the fuck are you smoking? Did you just reach into a bag and grab all the big fancy sounding words?

[Anonymous No.10721834]

>>10721736
non sequitur

[Anonymous No.10721845]

>>10721553
Ions act differently in encapsulating fields.

[Anonymous No.10721847]

>>10721568
>Stop pretending you haven't already made up your mind, this is your post over on /g/
That's why they're so obsessed about finding dishonesty in phone companies / government agencies. Total projection. They lie constantly to push their retarded mom science hysteria and naturally assume everyone else around them is lying too.

[Anonymous No.10721865]

>>10721736
>and fluoride
is healthy in low doses

[Anonymous No.10721872]

>>10721687
>American education

[Anonymous No.10721890]

Why does all this hysteria come from America? Is this propaganda to discredit Chinese superior Huawei 5G? Is it just cope because they cant get 5G networks of their own?

[Anonymous No.10721902]

>>10721890
>Is this propaganda to discredit Chinese superior Huawei 5G?
This and the fact that Americans are extremely succeptible to Russian propaganda.

[Anonymous No.10721911]

>>10721830
and here's a plot of skin penetration with frequency taken from here:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1503.05944.pdf
Take that fucking schizos!

[Anonymous No.10721916]

>>10721911
cocks. forgot the plot.

[Anonymous No.10722116]

>not one mention of the NTP study
come on morons

[Anonymous No.10722133]

>>10721902
>China is so far ahead of everyone else that the west actively takes measures to ignore it
Truly /ourguys/

[Anonymous No.10722148]

>>10721525
There's no long term testing but there's longterm testing on radio and 2.4Ghz done showing increased chances of cancer. It can be inferred that 5G will have higher unwanted risks due to 5G needing a higher power input to get similar area coverage as 2.4G due to the 5Gs worse penetrative ability through various mediums (biggest issue for those producing being buildings) and needing to make up for its ability to do so.

[Anonymous No.10722149]

>>10722148
>higher power
but much less intensity. there is less power needed per transmission tower.

[Anonymous No.10722156]

>not one even aware of how modern modulation is even more dangerous than power density
wi-cancer.info

[Anonymous No.10722170]

>>10721865
incredibly wrong

[Anonymous No.10722181]

>>10721607
wrong, collimation of the signals will become standard

if you get hit in the head by a collimated millimeter wave beam, you will be dizzy for the rest of the day

[Anonymous No.10722185]

>>10722156
>wi-cancer.info
that fucking website holy shit ahahaha

[Anonymous No.10722186]

>>10722185
>no argument
as expected for chinese 5G tranny shills

[Anonymous No.10722192]

>>10722186
>literal tinfoil hat bullshit

[Anonymous No.10722194]

>>10722192
call me a schizo and tell me to take my pills tranny

[Anonymous No.10722196]

>>10722194
take your pills, schizo :^)
>using wifi/4G to tell me that wifi/4G/5G is incredibly dangerous
lol

[Anonymous No.10722199]

>>10722149
5G and 2.4Ghz can use the same power but won't achieve the same coverage or transmission ability as the other at similar power outputs 5G is faster but covers less area usably and, as mentioned previously, has troubles penetrating compared to 2.4Ghz. If they were to use the same power to 5G towers as 2.4G towers they would need to erect more towers to reliably cover the population needed for it to be worth erecting them. Pushing more power through the towers achieves the results needed while spending less money on structure in exchange for spending on power, but still a lower cost overall.

[Anonymous No.10722207]

>>10722192
>>10722196
This image, taken from the website you decry, is 100% accurate. Do you know how pH actually works in the body? It's voltage. People with cancer have a much lower pH. Excess voltage delivered to the body via microwaves causes excess acidity, which massively increases your chances of getting cancer.

wi-cancer.info is probably the best resource online for learning about the dangers of 5G + all other microwave-utilizing wifi tech.

[Anonymous No.10722211]

>>10722207
>Do you know how pH actually works in the body? It's voltage. People with cancer have a much lower pH

[Anonymous No.10722221]

>>10722211
oh no no nooo tranny shill, looks like you've just been BTFO'd for the 500th time

[Anonymous No.10722231]

>>10721525
Mobile internet was already a health risk for non-physiological reasons. The internet is not a net positive things and might not ever be.

[Anonymous No.10722289]

https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/schizophrenia-symptoms#1
Let's take a look and see how these fit our 5G alarmist friend in the thread here:

>Persecutory delusions. The feeling someone is after you or that you’re being stalked, hunted, framed, or tricked.
He thinks "tranny shills" are roaming 4chan to promote 5G, not normal people who are tired of mental ill spam. He thinks the RF industry has been actively suppressing studies for decades, and that this is a massive coverup. He thinks that 4chan moderation is complicit in this conspiracy by "censoring" 5G threads.

>Somatic delusions. These center on the body. The person thinks they have a terrible illness or bizarre health problem like worms under the skin or damage from cosmic rays.
Based on this thread, it should be self-evident how this applies.

>Confused thoughts and disorganized speech
Again, look no further than this thread.

He's come to a preconceived decision and will seek support of it anywhere he can find it, the opposite of examining the evidence and coming to a conclusion.

[Anonymous No.10722300]

>>10722289
cope

[Anonymous No.10722318]

>>10722116
>In the 2-year study, percent survival was significantly higher for the 5 W/kg males than the sham control group.

[Anonymous No.10722330]

>>10722300
Yes, that is what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.10722354]

>>10722318
>live a day longer
>but get heart and brain cancer so you die 40 years earlier

[Anonymous No.10722367]

>>10722354
The "cancer is bad" meme needs to stop. Everyone already has a massively high lifetime cancer risk just by being born, around 1 in 2 chances. You can correlate anything with cancer if you try hard enough. It's just the thing that happens to worn out DNA when something else doesn't kill you first.

[Anonymous No.10722378]

>>10722367
this post is incorrect in every single way

[Anonymous No.10722601]

>>10721525
5G is circumcision for the brain.

[Anonymous No.10722673]

>>10721525
>Redpill me
GTFO pill-popping /pol/esmoker

[Anonymous No.10722711]

>>10722318
That statement is objectively correct; however, the males lived longer only because they suffered severe adrenal damage which decreased the levels of sexual hormones in their body. Of course testosterone increases your chance of heart disease and death.