how do we convince racist brainlets to believe the scientific consensus on race?

[Anonymous No.10695795]

[Anonymous No.10695809]

>>10695795
Have you tried punching them?

[Anonymous No.10695817]

>>10695795
Have you tried ignoring them and gaining a group of people that agree with you to trample the rscist non believers?

[Anonymous No.10695828]

>>10695795
Same way you convince climate deniers of climate change.

[Anonymous No.10695839]

>>10695795
You don't convince chuds of anything.
Have you ever thought that everyone on 4chan is non-serious and doesn't have actual beliefs? People just want to piss others off and being racist is one way to do it.

[Anonymous No.10695850]

What is the scientific consensus on race?

[Anonymous No.10695856]

>>10695839
It starts off as edgy trolls. But they take it too far, create extensive and elaborate propaganda, post it everywhere, and people eventually get convinced of it.

[Anonymous No.10695866]

>>10695850
That it's a dumb way to categorize humans.

[Anonymous No.10695873]

>>10695839
are you joking? there have been cases when people actually posted about murder/shooting they are going to commit on 4chan beforehand, do you really think that everyone comes here and posts just for the lulz and arent serious?

[Anonymous No.10695876]

>>10695795
answer me this /sci/ if races don't exist why do groups have specific targeted medicine for them?
What about sickle cell anemia which predominantly affects blacks?

[Anonymous No.10695880]

>>10695839
>chuds

Back to chapocuckshed.

[Anonymous No.10695882]

>>10695866
why is scientifically categorizing humans dumb? science is objective facts and information derived though observation and experiments, its literally the opposite of dumb

[Anonymous No.10695886]

>>10695876
>why do groups have specific targeted medicine for them?
They don't.
>What about sickle cell anemia which predominantly affects blacks?
It only emerged in specific population in both Africa and India as a defense against malaria. It has nothing to do with being black.

[Anonymous No.10695889]

>>10695795
The scientific consensus on race is racist though...

[Anonymous No.10695892]

Milkshakes

[Anonymous No.10695895]

>>10695882
It's not scientific at all.

Is this the part you show me how genetics can predict someone's self-reported race they they checked on a questionnaire?

If it was never socially constructed in the first place, it wouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.10695905]

>>10695889
not really, stop reading /pol/ and read actual scientists

[Anonymous No.10695914]

>>10695880
Chud detected

>>10695873
>>10695856
They have an often contradictory set of beliefs. We are in the market place of ideas. Their beliefs will vary according to who they are trying to piss off. In the end they often only act as the aggressor in a debate and always shoot off accusations without proof. Present a source to a chud and he'll never actually check it. You'll get tons of (You)s on /pol/ if you present anti-racist publications as racist propaganda because they never read anything.
They'll take anything and try to use it to fuck shit up. That's why they sometimes support abortions for blacks but not for whites.
It's a fight and there's no rules they adhere to. They don't know what they like but they know what they don't like. And they don't like non-white and poor people

[Anonymous No.10695915]

>>10695876
races do exist, dont ever let anyone tell you otherwise

[Anonymous No.10695917]

>>10695895
youre literally retarded
if you can predict someones self reported race based on their genes, then there are quantifiable ways to determine what what race they are
those methods of prediction are not socially influenced
computers sort people into accurate genetic clusters all the time by only being told how many clusters to make, nothing else

[Anonymous No.10695920]

>>10695892
Milkshakes are assault though. Don't assault a chud or he might respond by assassinating leftists. Milkshakes are violence and christchurch was self defense

[Anonymous No.10695922]

>>10695915
Do you prefer chocolate or vanilla in your milkshakes

[Anonymous No.10695923]

>>10695917
You can genetically predict whether someone is conservative or liberal? Genetics can predict a lot of things. Are liberals and conservatives a different race now?

[Anonymous No.10695926]

>>10695914
you cant have an honest scientific study on something thats so politicized you fucking idiot
i dont care if you have the same politics as the "politically safe" position
the shit gets biased, stop acting like youre the most scientifically literate person here
youre just pushing your fucking opinions

[Anonymous No.10695929]

>>10695895
yes the social aspect wouldnt exist, but you cant deny the different variations of genetic differences between people

[Anonymous No.10695930]

>>10695905
No,it really is.
Your western point of view thinks all non-western scientific institutions are invalid just because their consensus is different.

[Anonymous No.10695933]

>>10695923
>shifting the goal posts already
you were talking about race being a social construct
stay on it

[Anonymous No.10695934]

>>10695922
I dont know, I dont drink milkshakes

[Anonymous No.10695936]

>>10695922
Vanilla milkshakes are god tier

[Anonymous No.10695941]

>>10695929
>but you cant deny the different variations of genetic differences between people
Obviously. If a computer analyzed the genes and clustered it, you wouldn't get race.

>here comes PC1 PC2 etc, showing colored dots with insane amounts overlap

Nope. Link a study that has a computer tell you what the best categories are.

[Anonymous No.10695957]

>>10695941
you would get several groups, in other words several subspecies, and the individuals within groups would likely to resemble (traits like appearance, behavior) others individual in the same group closely

[Anonymous No.10695963]

Iranians are not white and their country is supposed to be at 80 IQ and they produced a girl that's smarter than Newton and Einstein. According to race science only whites can produce people like that. Yet Iran has a history of producing tons of civilizations all evidence points to them being able to carry the human race if the whites went extinct but let's ignore all this right. They're not white they're 80 IQ and they're subhuman shitskins. MAGA race war now! Richard Lynn's estimations about non-white IQ matters more than all evidence and history. IQ is totally not bullshit

[Anonymous No.10695964]

>>10695866
Then explain why Africa is fucked, south America somewhat fucked and Asia is prosperous. The resources are about the same. The colonization about the same.

[Anonymous No.10695970]

>>10695957
The groups would be like this:
>The Sentenalese
>The Pygmies
>The rest of humanity

[Anonymous No.10695971]

>>10695964
It's because of race!

[Anonymous No.10695975]

>>10695886
>Refuting so hard for science you become unscientific
ishygddt

[Anonymous No.10695977]

>>10695795
A rigorous survey of the history of race within anthropological science, and sound arguments backed up by data

[Anonymous No.10695982]

>>10695930
i'm not western

[Anonymous No.10695984]

>>10695795
hope your baby gets tay sachs you fuckin kike

[Anonymous No.10695985]

>>10695970
there would more groups than that


>>10695963
>According to race science only whites can produce people like that
>Iranians are not white and their country is supposed to be at 80 IQ
citations are needed here, as far as I am aware it has been observed that sub saharan africans have lower iq, I dont remember iranians ever being mentioned

[Anonymous No.10695992]

>>10695895
>If it was never socially constructed in the first place, it wouldn't exist.
>>10695930
>Your western point of view thinks all non-western scientific institutions are invalid just because their consensus is different.

[Anonymous No.10695997]

>>10695982
You worship them in any case. China has proven race long ago.

[Anonymous No.10696003]

>>10695930
>Your western point of view thinks all non-western scientific institutions are invalid just because their consensus is different.
THANK YOU, I've been saying this for YEARS. White and Jewish scientists are INCREDIBLY closed minded when it comes to superior Japanese intellect.

[Anonymous No.10696028]

>>10695992
this

[Anonymous No.10696129]

>>10695895
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.10696132]

>>10695963
why are you so fucking dumb?

[Anonymous No.10696135]

>>10695795
why would you want to? this argument is based on the semantics on the meaning of the word 'race' rather than the underlying data, throw the dice however you want the data proves the same uncomfortable truth

[Anonymous No.10696162]

>>10695964
Multinational corporations backed by the west plundering resources so that non-whites can't use them.
Venezuela tried to oppose this and that's why trump is trying to wage war on them
Why else would blacks be unable to sell their gold and diamonds?
If someone has a country full of precious metals and minerals, why would they be poor? It really makes you think doesn't it.

[Anonymous No.10696168]

>>10695985
You're a redneck bastard and you don't know shit. Do you think only sub Saharan Africans exist on this planet?

[Anonymous No.10696173]

>>10696132
>Only talk about sub saharan Africans because of my BBC fetish
Suck more black cock cuckboy.
Btw you'll lose the race war because your birthrates are permanently crippled you'll never recover even after the nukes go off.

[Anonymous No.10696176]

>>10695880
Wow, you really got him

[Anonymous No.10696197]

>>10696168
no, there are many different groups of people, sub saharan africans is a blanket term for many different groups of blacks in/from africa, its used to differentiate black africans from northern africans who might be of arab descent

[Anonymous No.10696220]

Are ethnic groups races too?
I'm a member of an ethnic group of a few tens of millions. We have a special language and special features and our lineage is usually pure because we kept marrying within that ethnic group.
We also don't really get along so well with other ethnic groups.
Now is this my race? Or is my race some category that's filled with tons of ethnic groups?

[Anonymous No.10696224]

>>10695795
Point at OP and laugh at his faggotry.

[Anonymous No.10696236]

>>10696224
Species are a social construct. Nobody uses it at molecular biology level.

[Anonymous No.10696242]

>>10696220
it depends, no one likes discussing race because they might be called racist (at least in the west) but ethnic groups dont have such negative connotations and its also something that positively unites people. Therefor ethnic groups exist all over the world and often the definition slightly varies from one group to another what exactly is ethnic group. I dont know anything about you or your group, so I cant say anything, also I might be biased because I might belong to ethnic group myself and have a slightly different understanding.

[Anonymous No.10696245]

>>10695880
generally the people referring to anyone as a "chud" tend to be "chuds" themselves

[Anonymous No.10696252]

>>10696236
no, race may be social construct, species is a classification of various organisms and its widely used in science.

[Anonymous No.10696264]

>>10696242
I've actually faced a little backlash in my family when I brought it up. Some of my family members aren't proud of it. And they also don't care about marrying within it anymore.
I've been trying to raise a little awareness around it to determine what our culture is supposed to be and what we're good at. And what our qualities are.
I don't think we're superior but we have a few unique things worth preserving.
But I don't feel the same way people feel about saving their race though. We're still in the tens of millions

[Anonymous No.10696280]

>>10696252
Literally all of taxonomy is social construction in an academic setting, it's used because it's useful not because fundamental essence imbued in the universe that makes it so, the cutoffs between ingroup and outgroups of clusters is arbitrary. The micro and molecular biology level is a true clusterfuck to the point physiology and DNA are pretty worthless and relatively unchanging features like small RNA subunits are used instead.

[Anonymous No.10696291]

>>10696264
generally speaking if you arent white, and not some small minority sami man, chances are that your ethnic group has birthrates of more than 2 children per woman, so yeah there is nothing to worry about, you also probably dont have hundreds of millions africans and asians wanting to immigrate into your country(s) and replace you.

[Anonymous No.10696296]

>>10696291
If we get replaced, then we just weren't meant to be I guess.

[Anonymous No.10696318]

>>10696280
The cutoffs are arbitrary, but that doesn't mean there aren't significant observable differences. That's like saying the difference between red and blue is meaningless because purple.

[Anonymous No.10696337]

Since were talking about race what is it that gives Africa such a ridiculous density of genetic diversity?

[Anonymous No.10696356]

>>10696318
Differences between pink, red and orange are nearly meaningless.

[Anonymous No.10696362]

>>10696296
>meant to be
that is not a good or even valid reason,

if we get replaced that means the ones who replaced us had some kind of advantage over us. In this case advantage is not some static unmoving object. Here advantage implies a game of strategy and tactics, played over long time (an entire species usually dont get replaced or go extinct instantly). If we lose at this game then I think its fair, but at the moment it seems white civilization has stopped playing altogether and while the other teams keeps going... this is very bad, but we will start playing again and we will do serious damage even if victory isnt guaranteed.

[Anonymous No.10696364]

>>10695886
In other words there are meaningful evolutionary differences between historically geographically separated human population groups...

[Anonymous No.10696366]

>>10696356
only if you are color blind

[Anonymous No.10696367]

>>10696362
Wow you're very violent

[Anonymous No.10696373]

>>10695905
I am an actual scientist faggot.

[Anonymous No.10696380]

>>10696373
PhD in race sciences from Alabama state university right?

[Anonymous No.10696394]

>>10696366
You must see huge differences between dark blue, indigo and violet.

[Anonymous No.10696397]

>>10696367
you have no idea

[Anonymous No.10696404]

>>10696394
I dont actually know what indigo is, but there is clear and significant difference between blue and violet

[Anonymous No.10696408]

>>10696397
Oh you were kidding all along.

[Anonymous No.10696415]

Honestly, can any other nonwhites tell me how we are supposed to keep academia safe from white people's AA pets? I wouldn't have to see a single black in my life if it wasn't for dumb white people

[Anonymous No.10696426]

>>10696380
Chemistry then computational biology actually.

[Anonymous No.10696431]

>>10696408
haha no actually those are my real views, its just hard not to appear edgy 12yo when you I say something like that, so I just pretend it was all just a joke

[Anonymous No.10696437]

>>10696356
but those nearly meaningless differences manifest themselves with very real and sometimes dramatic consequences in reality. A police having the color(pink, red, or orange) of a fleeing get-away car described to him over the police scanner is important in this situation.

size of difference doesn't necessarily correspond to importance.

[Anonymous No.10696448]

There is nothing to discuss.
Some people are afraid of losing their dominant position and they'll even fight a nuclear war to keep their dominance. Others don't.

The moment someone acts worried about race, you either hit him with a milkshake if you see no cops around, or you leave.

[Anonymous No.10696458]

>>10696448
>Others don't.
clearly whites dont care about their once dominant position, worse , they will suicide themselves to make it easier for others to reach dominance.

And the moment some white acts out of order you assault him and put him in his place.

[Anonymous No.10696461]

>>10696437
Feed a computer a spectrum of light and have it tell you the best way categorize the colors. You can't.

[Anonymous No.10696469]

>>10696458
All the countries are competing for which one will act out of order first. Mussolinis daughter seems like a good candidate. She'll start a holocaust.
This will cause a new world war and Italy will be put in it's place with your death cult movement killed. Maybe then we'll have relative peace for another century.
I'm not gonna be surprised. I'll move somewhere where I can observe it all. You're free to fight and die and then I'll buy the land later.

[Anonymous No.10696485]

you can criticize the taxonomy of race on whatever grounds you want, but that doesn't change the fact that there are clear biological differences between what we observe as distinct phenotypes.
this extends to the brain.
the consensus in academia is actually that both genes and environment factor into the IQ difference between 'races'. the plurality of researchers in the field believe the degree of heritability involved to be from 60-99% in fact.
to think all human population groups turned out exactly the same except for some superficial physical traits such as skin pigmentation over the course of tens of thousands of years of divergent evolution is anti-scientific and frankly it's on the level of creationism. you have to be extremely emotionally or ideologically biased to hold such a view.

[Anonymous No.10696491]

>>10696485
Source?
Thought so.

[Anonymous No.10696497]

>>10696485
You don't understand the concept of heritability. Dunning Kruger strikes again.

[Anonymous No.10696499]

>>10696461
surely you must be trolling

>>10696469
If you want peace then people have to stay in their own countries, now if you want land then thats different matter

[Anonymous No.10696505]

>>10696499
Tell me how many colors there are.
How many colors does a computer say there are?

[Anonymous No.10696507]

>>10696499
It doesn't matter what I want. It's about what you want. And you want war. And you'll probably get it. We all see it coming and it will be smashed.

[Anonymous No.10696515]

>>10696162
>muh eevil corporations be keepin da black man down
Then explain why it is that these multinational corporations are disproportionately targeting Africa, and haven't been able to stop East Asia from developing.

[Anonymous No.10696520]

>>10695795
>how do we convince racist brainlets to believe the scientific consensus on race?
In the short term: you can't.
In the long term: wait to see if we, *as a species*, evolve past it. Assuming we don't wipe ourselves out before that has a chance to happen.
>how do you kill an idea?

[Anonymous No.10696523]

>>10696515
East Asia has no resources. And you can't target chinas earth metals because they've had nukes since 1960 and they'd nuke whitey if you tried.
The rest of Asia has nothing and that's why there isn't much to plunder except their labour which worked out for them because they've got to be paid and kept alive unlike what you're doing to the blacks.
Anyway now China's is setting things right. Giving blacks rights and giving their countries back to them.

[Anonymous No.10696525]

>>10695795
How do we convince brainlet creationists of the mind that the human brain isn't magically exempt from evolution?

[Anonymous No.10696528]

>>10695809
>>10695817
Fuck off Antifa

[Anonymous No.10696530]

>>10696507
Who wants war? Me? Am I immigrating to africa and asia, am I replacing their native populations, their culture and traditions by going in millions?

>>10696505
I dont think that number can be defined, but we can define primary colors quite accurately

[Anonymous No.10696533]

>>10696528
Have you tried milkshake? You fucking subhuman chud

[Anonymous No.10696535]

>>10696530
>native populations, their culture and traditions

[Anonymous No.10696538]

>>10696530
You can define anything you want to infinite accuracy. That doesn't make it a true/valid categorization.

[Anonymous No.10696548]

>>10696535
what liberal brainwashed by jewish media npcs or skin head nazis think is none of your business, they are our people, we will deal with them as a community, hopefully by removing outside influence and reintroducing to our traditional values, stay in your own country and with your own culture and traditions

[Anonymous No.10696559]

>>10696538
I see that you reject science, consider switching off your pc, phone and not using internet again because everyone one of these work according to well established and proven scientific principles and theories

[Anonymous No.10696581]

>>10696523
>East Asia has no resources. And you can't target chinas earth metals because they've had nukes since 1960 and they'd nuke whitey if you tried.
What are these resources that Africa supposedly has that East Asia doesn't? And how then, do you explain countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain? They have massive amounts of oil, yet these countries have some of the highest GDPs per capita in the world. Yet by your logic, the big evil corporations should be making them destitute. Yet they aren't.

>The rest of Asia has nothing and that's why there isn't much to plunder except their labour which worked out for them because they've got to be paid and kept alive unlike what you're doing to the blacks.
That doesn't even make sense. What incentive do the international corporations have to pay and keep alive Asians, but not Africans?

>Anyway now China's is setting things right. Giving blacks rights and giving their countries back to them.
Kek, you actually believe that the Chinese give a fuck about Africans' rights? Just look at what they do to the Uyghurs and the Tibetans.

[Anonymous No.10696590]

>>10696559
Great rebuttal. I see you can no longer defend your weak arguments.

[Anonymous No.10696605]

>>10696590
Dont know what to say. You reject science therefore having a discussion with you about science and scientific topics isnt possible.

[Anonymous No.10696616]

>>10695866

No it isn't. It's a controversial thing that offends sensibilities and self esteem on an existential level. It's clearly there, and it's clearly definable, if scientists were allowed to pursue it with more rigor they could create better and more accurate models of it. It isn't that it doesn't exist, it's that isn't ALLOWED to exist in the modern academic climate. It's now a de facto black box.

[Anonymous No.10696619]

>>10696605
You have demonstrated zero science. You were literally claiming science can categorize colors for us. Say something that's not retarded and we can talk science.

[Anonymous No.10696620]

>>10696337

They didn't suffer the same population bottlenecks that Eurasians experienced in harsher climes and less time. They just grew everywhere.

[Anonymous No.10696640]

>>10696616
>le forbidden science
Geneticists exist and study human populations. They say race is dumb.

[Anonymous No.10696641]

>>10695850
there is no consensus on race among geneticists and evolutionary biologists just a large number of senior faculty who believe its not relevant or too difficult to quantify for it to be useful to their research.

[Anonymous No.10696642]

>>10696364
/thread

Honestly how can anyone deny this?

[Anonymous No.10696648]

>>10695923
Races are an admittedly arbitrary distinction we make, but that doesn't make it unscientific. It can be based on something tangible and real. You're kinda invoking the continuum fallacy. Race happens to be a useful categorization when dealing with the effects of social policy.

[Anonymous No.10696664]

>>10696641
Only good answer in this entire thread.

[Anonymous No.10696673]

>>10696162
>what is the opium wars
>what is hiroshima
how come the chinks are able to bounce back so easily but the niggers can't? Maybe the fact they were enslaved is simply a product of their inferiority?

[Anonymous No.10696679]

>>10696648
>It can be based on something tangible and real.
But it's not. There's no genetic definition of race. We could make one easily: this range of melanin is such and such race. And that would make these twins a different race, but at least we defined it.

>Race happens to be a useful categorization when dealing with the effects of social policy.
Because it's socially constructed, and history exists.

[Anonymous No.10696681]

>>10696497
What's wrong with his understanding of heritability?

[Anonymous No.10696697]

>>10696640
> Implying this topic exists in a political vacuum
You realize the geneticists with dissident opinions can't vocalize their opinions out of fear of losing their jobs/grants right?

[Anonymous No.10696713]

>>10696681
It doesn't directly translate to genes in DNA. It's a much more complicated concept that includes environmental factors, which can also be inherited. Basic run-down:
https://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/estimating-trait-heritability-46889

[Anonymous No.10696714]

OP, you won't convince them on facts because they have been conditioned on propaganda for which they rely upon in dedicated folders. However you can easily undo their shoddy supremacist arguments by nature of implication and categorization. For instance, one ask them define exactly what "race" and watch them fumble over their arbitrary lines in the sand in wordly populations.

>>10695839
>/pol/ racism is just le joke XDDDD
You can't be older than 16, specially when at least two proven /pol/ idiots have gone to commit mass murder in the name of white male snowflakeism

[Anonymous No.10696717]

>>10696679
Genetic clustering is tangible and real. Genes exist on a continuum, yet we can still make distinctions between groups of our choosing. I think you're even alluding to that with your melanin example.

>Because it's socially constructed, and history exists.

I meant differences in heritable traits can explain differences in outcomes between groups of humans. Why is any of this unscientific again? inb4 bad faith answer

[Anonymous No.10696718]

[Anonymous No.10696721]

>>10695795
Literally just don’t. You can’t convince people that WANT to believe something otherwise unless it’s absolutely apparent.

[Anonymous No.10696722]

>>10695876
Answer me this /sci/, if races don't exist, why do we have targeted shoe sizes?!!?

Areeins 1, libtuurds 0 >:)))

[Anonymous No.10696724]

>>10696713
Would it be fair to say that OP was implying non-environmental heritability, thus making this a moot point?

[Anonymous No.10696731]

>>10696717
>Genetic clustering is tangible and real. Genes exist on a continuum, yet we can still make distinctions between groups of our choosing.
Indeed, I agree. The category known as race is chosen by racists to distinguish the goods from the bads. And it changes over time.

[Anonymous No.10696739]

>>10696731
I'll take your adhom-strawman as a concession

[Anonymous No.10696742]

>>10696724
If you're quoting studies that use the concept of heritability, they're not talking about specific genes, even though most people think they are. They would discuss the specific genes and their mechanisms.

[Anonymous No.10696751]

>>10696739
No adhom strawman. I'm literally defining where the category of race comes from. Because it certainly isn't defined scientifically. I invite you to challenge that claim.

[Anonymous No.10696758]

>>10696742
Do they need to address specific genes to recognize that a trait doesn't seem to be influenced by the environment, therefore it's likely immutable which implies a genetic basis? I'm asking in good faith.

[Anonymous No.10696767]

>>10696751
I don't care where the concepts come from, or what some asshole 200 years ago got wrong about race. I only care about useful distinctions between groups of humans that can make meaningful predictions about future events.

[Anonymous No.10696771]

>>10696640

>Race is dumb

What a compelling and totally honest reduction of the situation. Birds can be different sub-species on account of differences in beak shape but "race" is just dumb dumb.

Why don't you just admit that you're trying to obfuscate the argument where trying to directly face inconvenient evidence and rebut it failed you?

[Anonymous No.10696776]

>>10696758
Genes will need to express themselves in a given environment, and can express themselves in all sorts of different ways if environment is altered. I'm no geneticist, but I do know that it's unbelievably complicated. Geneticists can and will look for specific genes and try to explain exactly what they do in different contexts.

[Anonymous No.10696791]

>>10696767
>I only care about useful distinctions between groups of humans that can make meaningful predictions about future events.
Society is built on events from 200 years ago. The usefulness of race for social policy is because it's been ingrained in society to form artificial communities, identities, and prejudices. If we had to start from scratch using science, race would never exist.

>>10696771
Define race then. I just did earlier, based on melanin level. Ezpz. That's literally how it was done back in the early segregation days, before they changed it to the one drop rule.

[Anonymous No.10696795]

>>10696776
I agree with most of what you said here, but I don't see how this refutes the idea that some traits can be influenced more or less by the environment than others.

[Anonymous No.10696800]

>>10696791

There is far more to racial differences than "melanin". You're revealing how little you know about it if you think that's the best argument.

[Anonymous No.10696805]

>>10696795
They can be. But the concept of heritability doesn't speak to that. It just makes predictions of how one trait will be similar to that of the parents for the studied population.

[Anonymous No.10696806]

>>10696791

That's a pretty funny, bold claim, considering the most primitive of current human societies are also the most unabashedly and viciously racist. You think basic racial tribalism is a product of modern society? Lmao

Look up the Rwandan genocide, it was literally darkskins deciding they were going to carve their lighter skinned neighbors up, wasn't even black vs. white. Japs and Chinese hate each other on the slightest of ethnic distinctions.

[Anonymous No.10696807]

>>10696791
Your correct that 'race' as it was defined historically wouldn't exist, but you haven't refuted or given any reason to believe we wouldn't find other ways to categorize humans in a useful manner. To make the abstract concrete, lets use an example. While we may not call people that hail from West Africa 'black', we might still be able to infer an association of traits related to externally visible phenotypes. Examples of which could be behavior or intelligence.

[Anonymous No.10696825]

>>10696805
I agree, but heritability studies almost always as far as I'm aware refer to the environments influence on specific traits, implying that they aren't considering the environment as heritable. In fact, it likely wouldn't tell us anything meaningful if they were including the environment as heritable.

[Anonymous No.10696834]

>>10696806
You're proving my point. The Rwandans are all "black," all African, all Rwandan, but created some arbitrary "otherness" to express racism. Race is created for racists to distinguish the goods from the bads. It changes over time and geography depending on who is hated.

>>10696807
>we might still be able to infer an association of traits related to externally visible phenotypes. Examples of which could be behavior or intelligence.
That I 100% agree with.

[Anonymous No.10696845]

>>10696834
Wait, I don't 100% agree. By "visible phenotypes" I thought you meant the actual phenotype of IQ or displaying a certain behavior. Not dumb ass skin color or head shape. That's fucking retarded.

[Anonymous No.10696856]

>>10696845
It’s retarded to make associations and correlations?

[Anonymous No.10696857]

>>10696834

>You're proving my point. The Rwandans are all "black," all African, all Rwandan, but created some arbitrary "otherness" to express racism. Race is created for racists to distinguish the goods from the bads. It changes over time and geography depending on who is hated.

No I'm not. You said it was a product of 200 years, and that starting from scratch would magically eradicate racism. Racism is natural to humans on a very basic level. We are tribal animals.

You're also going to find that the biggest defenders of racism in modern Western society are leftist academics who think the term "race blind" is now a form of white supremacy and who insist on maintaining racial categorizations, preferences, and allowances.

[Anonymous No.10696858]

Whether race exists depends on your definition of race.
Human Bio-Diversity very obviously exists and varies with respect to geography. The existing races we know are taxonomically informative. That much is so obvious it hurts. Want to try denying high altitude adaptation in Sherpas?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_adaptation_in_humans
Not even Wikipedia can spin this

[Anonymous No.10696861]

>>10695795

[Anonymous No.10696869]

>>10695866
Look at the people with actual skin in the game. Organ donors *need* to categorize humans by race because ignoring it would kill people.

[Anonymous No.10696874]

>>10696861
Is that real?

[Anonymous No.10696875]

>>10696856
It's retarded to think associations and correlations equal causations.

[Anonymous No.10696878]

>>10696869
>Organ donors *need* to categorize humans by race
They don't.

[Anonymous No.10696879]

>>10696875

Sure....but when they keep happening.....

[Anonymous No.10696885]

>>10696337
Other races are a product of the Founder Effect. That's why they're so much more homogenous than them, and also so much smarter and generally better.

[Anonymous No.10696886]

>>10696875

How exactly do you think causality is ever established? You need a correlation first. Spurious correlations exist, but there is nothing spurious about people potentially evolving different forms of cognition based on environmental stressors.

[Anonymous No.10696893]

>>10696874
>>10696861
Check the sources, it's legit.

[Anonymous No.10696895]

>>10696875
It doesn’t even matter. If almost every time you interact with a given group of humans you observe noticeable and specific traits then it’s reasonable to create an association. Using a math example, this doesn’t mean that black=stupid. It does mean that a group of humans would be proportional to a given trait. We may not know the proportionality constant, but we can see a linear relationship.

[Anonymous No.10696896]

>>10696714
>its difficult to define an abstract concept therefore it doesn't exist
read a book some time nigger

[Anonymous No.10696946]

>in the United States the average scores of blacks on some IQ tests in 1995 were the same as the scores of whites in 1945.[63]
Yes, it appears the average IQ of blacks is lower than that of whites. However, whatever the Flynn effect is, it is still seen when we test young black people's IQ while whites have entirely stalled. In one or two generations the average IQ of black people will be the same as that of whites'. This means it is probably not something inherent to race but that the Flynn effect (perhaps through something like nutrition?) fosters alleles that have a correlation with intelligence

[Anonymous No.10696956]

>>10696946

The Flynn effect has reversed and IQ in the US is falling now.

[Anonymous No.10696957]

>>10696946
Can you give me a citation on the young black IQ still increasing?

[Anonymous No.10696973]

>>10696956
Yes, for whites

>>10696957
>A separate phenomenon from the Flynn effect has been the discovery that the IQ gap has been gradually closing over the last decades of the 20th century, as black test-takers increased their average scores relative to white test-takers. For instance, Vincent reported in 1991 that the black-white IQ gap was decreasing among children, but that it was remaining constant among adults.[66] Similarly, a 2006 study by Dickens and Flynn estimated that the difference between mean scores of blacks and whites closed by about 5 or 6 IQ points between 1972 and 2002,[67]

>Recent reviews by Flynn and Dickens (2006), Mackintosh (2011), and Nisbett et al. 2012 accept the gradual closing of the gap as a fact.

[Anonymous No.10696984]

>>10696973
This is really interesting, but what leads them to assume the IQ gap will continue to close? I mean sure it’s increased, but why do they expect it to continue?

[Anonymous No.10697068]

>>10696535
>seething so hard that you edit the original comic that literally BTFOs people like you to suit your own mindset
OH NONONONONO

[Anonymous No.10697080]

>>10696973

>Yes, for whites

No, for the entire US.

[Anonymous No.10697149]

>>10696162
>If someone has a country full of precious metals and minerals, why would they be poor?
Raw resources don't equate to wealth anon. Only way to win the global market game is to take those raw resources and turn them into something that has more value. Not only do most of these countries lack the infrastructure and workforce to mine these raw resources by themselves effectively, they also lacking in the ability to produce something with them.

You are essentially blaming the "west" for being more advanced in the past, and that has led them to being more technologically advanced today. Yet all the "non-west" "non-white" places, that you would take so much pity on, are actually far better off now than they would be without these technological advancements. People always need someone/something to get upset about though; something to make them feel like they have something to fight for/change.

[Anonymous No.10697164]

>>10695795
>>10695809
>Humans are 98% genetically identical to chimpanzees
>White Northern Europeans are 99%identical to Sub-Saharan negroid africans
Think about that. That's actually a BIG difference. Therefore race does have a scientific basis, dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.10697171]

>>10695795
>>10695809
>Humans are 98% genetically identical to chimpanzees
>White Northern Europeans are 99% genetically identical to Sub-Saharan negroid africans
Think about that. That's actually a BIG difference. Therefore race does have a scientific basis, dumb fuck.

[Anonymous No.10697173]

>>10696834
>Race is created for racists to distinguish the goods from the bads.
It's created by the mutlicultists to make people feel guilty for preferring their own alleles.

[Anonymous No.10697184]

>>10696946
>Whites mix with niggers
>"White" IQ becomes the same as blacks

[Anonymous No.10697198]

>>10695795
How do we convince sci brainlets that consensus isn’t how real science is conducted?

[Anonymous No.10697204]

>>10697198
This.

[Anonymous No.10697231]

>everything is environmental
>except for the different races having different environments for literally tens of thousands of years...never you mind that...the only environment that matters is the one you were personally born to, not the phenotype you express through tens of thousands of years of divergent evoltuion
why are anti racists so hecking dumb

[Anonymous No.10697243]

>>10697171
>Muh 99% chimpshitter
DNA analysis leaves out hard to analyze chunks of DNA like mismatches to allow for base pair analysis, dropping the similarity. We also have different chromosomes and genetic regulatory networks.

[Anonymous No.10697249]

>>10697243
The races or chimps and humans?

[Anonymous No.10697250]

>>10695882
What you choose to call "race" is completely arbitrary and is not some objective fact. No one is denying there are different colored people, just like no one is denying there are people with different hair and eye color. What we're denying is the significance of this, the social construct of race being some kind of fundamental core identity of who you are, when it's just as arbitrary as hair and eye color. There are no objective scientific facts you can fall back on to justify it, it's just a social convention.

[Anonymous No.10697256]

>>10697250
race exists on variance of cranial capacity alone, racial differences are massively significant on the basis of this alone

[Anonymous No.10697267]

>>10697249
The misleading statement of chimps and humans sharing ~99% of DNA

[Anonymous No.10697277]

>>10697250
>the social construct of race
You've got it backwards: society is a racial construct. That is why race is important.

[Anonymous No.10697296]

>>10695795
>how do we convince racist brainlets to believe a made up concept called racism (because that's what science agrees with naturally)?

[Anonymous No.10697297]

>>10695866
Genetic issues disagree. Just ask hybrids about their health defects.

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[Anonymous No.10697323]

>>10696236
What isn't a social construct nowdays? Retard.

[Anonymous No.10697362]

>>10697303
Read the thread. Mental illness is being misinterpreted as mere low IQ.

[Anonymous No.10697373]

>>10697323
People need to be careful distinguishing a mere construct or category from an actual distinguishable "tendency". "Homosexuality" for example is topical because some people only obtain that tendency when they "come out". In the past (pre roman) is was not really a thing at all as men freely went wherever they fucking wanted to. Homosexuality could be considered a cult in that regard.

Race on the other hand is clearly something that can be naturally selected. Natural selection occurs only through the selective distinction between things and race is one of those things it uses to manifest.
Homosexuality is not like that. Homosexuality is in fact something that is naturally selected out of populations when they collapse (as it is a poor survival tactic).

[Anonymous No.10697381]

>>10697373
Damn. This post is why everyone hates relativists.

[Anonymous No.10697411]

>>10697381
Everything is relative. And relative to scientific constructs the ideas in modern liberalism don't make sense. You either believe the detailed sexy body of satan we call science. Or the derpy tranny satan we call liberal ideals.

[Anonymous No.10697438]

>>10697411
>everything is relative
Why did I even bother. Don't reply to my post again.

[Anonymous No.10697442]

>>10697314
These people really believe it's all for "social" reasons

[Anonymous No.10697444]

>>10696896
reading a book doesn’t change that it’s a social construct full of contradictions that varies by person and culture retard

[Anonymous No.10697448]

>>10697381
Everyone is a retard or NPC. Conservatives and liberals are both NPCs.
And nazis like you are retards because you want your suicide cult to wipe yourself out.

[Anonymous No.10697449]

The consensus of race and IQ is that we need to wipe out nazis off the face of the earth using all necessary means before they most of the earths population

[Anonymous No.10697451]

>>10695964
>Asia is prosperous

what does he mean by this?
go back 50 years and you would’ve seen a much different story

[Anonymous No.10697461]

>>10697448
>you don't agree with me then you must be X!
You sure showed me. Are you going to tell me how I'm also homophobic and abelist, virtue signaling faggot?

[Anonymous No.10697517]

>>10697149
>capitalism is amazing because it is the least bad method of generating total wealth that nearly everyone might benefit from slightly
>capitalism is exclusively practiced by morally good people who abide to objectively good deontology instead of exploiting and lobbying the legislative branch of a countries government
>volition is real but we will pay neurologists to make our products more addictve
>the global black economy isn't real, multi-nationals are not criminals

A large amount of whites don't like you're bullshit and they shouldn't at all feel guilt for the crimes of their ancestors, on the contrary they want to fuck you up not because you are white but because you're a complacent piece of shit with green tinted glasses who will happily work if a criminal if said criminal doesn't incriminate you.

[Anonymous No.10697518]

>>10697198
Don't you mean sci commies

[Anonymous No.10697523]

>>10697231
Because they focus too much on the evil in the out-group they can least relate to.
the same applies to racists too

[Anonymous No.10697533]

>>10697451
Pre world war 2 Japan, a colonized country, was very strong

[Anonymous No.10697536]

>>10697533
>japan
>colonized

[Anonymous No.10697537]

>>10695795
>scientific consensus
says I'm tarded tho

[Anonymous No.10697538]

>>10697314
>>10697442
>These people really believe it's ALL for "racial" reasons
>"These people" really believe it's ALL for "reasons they like and i hate"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXCkxlqFd90

[Anonymous No.10697539]

>>10695895
>If it was never socially constructed in the first place, it wouldn't exist.

Nope, human genome clusters like this, without any social constructs.

[Anonymous No.10697544]

>>10695795
Convince them that vaccines cause autism and let nature sort it out

[Anonymous No.10697545]

>>10697538
>>These people really believe it's ALL for "racial" reasons

No, most race realists think it has to do with both. On the other hand, blank slatists literally deny any genetic influence on things like average intelligence.

[Anonymous No.10697546]

>>10695895
Scientific categories are a social construct, retard.

[Anonymous No.10697551]

>>10697438
>the binary retard
>if something isn't 100% real then it has to be 100% fake and therefore 100% unreliable and SUPER EVIL BAD!!!

Relativists aren't nearly as bad as you people.

[Anonymous No.10697552]

>>10696162
>race doesn't exist
>it only seems to exist because one race does bad things to the other races