/sci/ - Science & Math

[Anonymous No.10693720]

Let's face it, this is by far the most dogshit board on all of 4channel. It's not even close.

Why are "hey guize this good degree??" or "post your grades and tell me how smart I am" threads allowed?

[Anonymous No.10693731]

>>10693720
I was actually thinking about making a meta thread, so good on ya
I also hate that this board is polluted with high schoolers / undergrads making threads about if you should get a CS or Physics degree for good job prospects
Literally SHUT the fuck up, I’m going to report those threads from now on.

On another note, one of the best ways to clean up /sci/ is to create some sort of community project (like the /mlp/ board using Machine Learning voice synthesizing to immortalize those dumb cartoon horses). I propose /sci/ work together on some groundbreaking research, actually put our minds to good use instead of summing -1/12 all day everyday

[Anonymous No.10693737]

Because science and math is not culture. The barrier to entry is too high, unlike /lit/ where anyone can sit down and read "to kill a mockingbird" or something, or /vg/. It's too broad as well, do you talk about math? science? both are vast and every degree is highly specialized with almost no overlap. Eventually it all just devolves into climate change threads and academic bragging since nobody knows what to talk about. Eventually it attracts waves of /pol/ and /x/ who just shit up the board.

[Anonymous No.10693738]

>>10693720
There are worse boards here. /g/ for example has become indian shill forum that has nothing to do with technology and there are others

[Anonymous No.10693757]

>>10693737
Not to mention you really have to sit down and carefully think about the statements you're going to post if you're really trying to discuss science/math. I've had lots of "wait a minute, is this universally true?" and "under what conditions could this not apply, and are those relevant to the current discussion", or even just "how much prior knowledge do I need to assume / how much preliminary info should I give for those who are not experts in my field (but able to follow along if the preliminaries are introduced properly)?" Add onto that the less-than-ideal TeX setting (yes there are shortcuts but anyone familiar with their own LaTeX interface of choice knows how annoying it can be to have to deal with /sci/'s mathjax implementation, not to mention the lack of some common packages (amsmath is a big one) and no macros) and it's honestly not very much worth it to go into deep, meaningful math/sci discussions here. The people who actually work on the cutting edge and are the experts (at least at some level) certainly don't have much to get out of posting here outside of some anonymous dick waving and *maybe* a half-baked experience of teaching someone something relatively elementary in their field in an /sqt/.

[Anonymous No.10693770]

>>10693720
buck up your word filters

[Anonymous No.10693783]

>>10693720
>Let's face it, this is by far the most dogshit board on all of 4channel.
/tv/ is far, far worse. But I do agree with the sentiment. I remember 5 years ago things were better, still kind of shit, but better. Then a wave of pepes and wojacks (/pol/tards) came in and they never left. Going along >>10693757 I would say the only thread that actually reflects what /sci/ should sort of be like is /mg/, at least there we somewhat talk about the topics at hand. Further, I think >>10693731 has the right idea. I'm still actually working on the adecous goldbach problem an anon suggested a while back. The big issue is getting anons started and continuing. A while back there was a commutative algebra learning thread that didn't go too far since not enough anons could go along. It may become the case that /sci/ ends up becoming a super slow board like /trv/ but I think the quality will increase if people focus on making good threads like the goldbach and CA threads and just ignore everything else of have the jannies clean fucking house.

[Anonymous No.10693821]

>>10693783
What are CA threads?

[Anonymous No.10693836]

Most people who use this entire website are not smart enough to use a science board well. So those threads should be allowed. Otherwise, there would be literally nothing of value to anyone here.

[Anonymous No.10693868]

the degree threads are SHIT but its refreshing to come to this board every now and then - wow an anonymous board where people sometimes talk about things at the leading edge of human knowledge rather than forever wallowing deeper into the base and inane

[Anonymous No.10693947]

>>10693821
Commutative algebra

[Anonymous No.10693958]

>>10693783
/tv/ is at least somewhat funny and people actually discuss films and television, whereas the threads on this board are a mix of blatant pol-faggotry and genuine retards spamming the board with their retarded fucking threads.
The ironic thing is that this used to be a good board, and now the math general is like the only place that still has posters who've graduated high-school.

[Anonymous No.10693959]

People shit OPs make shit threads, just like this one

[Anonymous No.10693964]

There are plenty of good theoretical discussions on this board. Just ignore IQ threads and higher education threads.
Also the book recommendations aren't bad for the most part.

[Anonymous No.10693978]

>>10693720
Why are the 5g, climate change, iq, and arguing over fundamentals of analysis threads allowed?

[Anonymous No.10694030]

>>10693783
That adecous goldbach thread was interesting, and fun to keep up with. More threads like that would certainly help the state of things around here.

[Anonymous No.10694048]

The most interesting intersection between politics and science, IQ heritability is constantly shut down here as well. Why don't I just use Reddit or better yet neither at all? Christ, even YT has less politically correct content than this board allows.

[Anonymous No.10694052]

>>10694048
Let me clarify that "take this IQ test and coompor," "can I rub my dick with 90iq?" threads are below worthless.

[Anonymous No.10694053]

>>10694048
If you talk about g or large domain aspects of g, you would get a far more interesting conversation than if you talked about the flawed metric which attempts to measure it.

[Anonymous No.10694067]

>>10694053
I think you are conflating flawed with less precise; one of the main inspirations for IQ tests and possibly the reason for their large amounts of flack for being flawed, conversely coupled with their supposedly unreasonable predictive success, is the fact that when you start administering tests of any kind related to problem solving, be that automotive, or literary, the high and low scorers keep their rank regardless of the test, meaning that something fundamental to problem solving is being represented and is universal to any problem solving test, bearing in mind that their will always be a more precise way to define and test that.

Like I'm saying, this conversation is interesting and the inability to distinguish IQ or G heritability with the Facebook personality test level IQ threads is seemingly the problem.

[Anonymous No.10694079]

Ban any post that contains the word IQ

[Anonymous No.10694089]

>>10694079
Use this post as the rule and delete it first then lose the rule, that way only this dumb idea goes away.

[Anonymous No.10694094]

>>10693783
/tv/ is entertaining, /sci/ on the other hand is spammed with this unfunny CS meme.

Speaking of, why are the unpaid jannies not doing s.th. against these idiots? What do they want for their work? Certainly not money.

Also I am working on my master's in CS, doing s.th. AI related. If you guys have a great idea I can contribute.

[Anonymous No.10694162]

>>10693821
convex arithmetic

[Anonymous No.10694508]

>>10693731
Working on a community project seems pretty gay and meme but I could utilize the time I spend women hating on this board to some work. Looking forward to some project or research oriented work. I guess we should keep a Project/research general or something like that, even if retards reply in the thread, it's still better than the iq threads.

[Anonymous No.10694718]

>>10693783
atleast /tv/ is funny autist.

[Anonymous No.10694858]

>>10693737
>>10693757
>>10693783
>>10693836
I think it's stuck up nerds like you that makes this board so little fun.

[Anonymous No.10694882]

>>10693720
Have you been to /ck/? I'm not joking, /ck/ is literally offtopic animal porn and gore. Boards like /adv/ or /x/ are also far worse, /x/ is literally scitzos larping. /adv/ is /r9k/ but without the bot.

[Anonymous No.10694952]

>>10694718
if you're 16 maybe. it was ok a few years ago, but now every thread is either got, capeshit or some stupid meme taken from reddit or knowyourmeme without irony.
>>10694882
/ck/ is probably the best board on this site

on topic: i think it has been suggested a number of times, but a sci-captcha would resolve many of the issues raised. to post you'd be asked to solve a multiple choice question in a set time. the question should be relatively easy and quick to answer for a stem student, but should take a longer time to look up than is given, preventing anybody not familiar with the material from posting.
in a word, the question would set a base level of knowledge required to post here.
an example i posted last time was:

which of the following is/are false?
[eqn] \square~ f \text{ is differentiable} \rightarrow f \text{ is continuous}\\
\square~ f \text{ is monotonic} \rightarrow f \text{ is integrable}\\
\square~ f \text{ is integrable} \rightarrow f \text { is differentiable} [/eqn]
these captchas would take at most 4 clicks compared to the 5 (though often more) currently, and i'm pretty sure most people who have passed calc 1 could answer the above just as quickly as they could identify a store front.
the only downside is that /sci/ is already a slow board and with this it would end up like /po/.

[Anonymous No.10694981]

Too many fucking IQ threads, get that shit off the board. I report every single one.

>>10694718
/tv/ died the day they banned waifu threads, it's been dogshit ever since

[Anonymous No.10694983]

>>10694952
You're saying computers can't solve math problems?

[Anonymous No.10695077]

>>10693720
Comparatively, /sci/ is pretty mid-low tier in terms of board traffic.
>https://4stats.io/
so it probably doesn't have as many dedicated jannies. It's probably like one or two grad students who just decide to clean in their free time. I've noticed the board will get really shit up and then suddenly all the IQ and college advice threads get wiped randomly.
The best thing you can do is report everything from obvious rule breaking posts to low quality ones so it catches their attention faster due to the number of reports. Also it never hurts to take a page from /fit/ and screech about reading the sticky.

[Anonymous No.10695108]

>>10693720
No one wants you around you hapa faggot.

[Anonymous No.10695349]

>>10693720
Because science is keystone of skeptical inquiry, and a fine place to chip away at if disinformation and other exceptionally malicious mischief is the game. Some people enjoy butchering random strangers, some people enjoy destroying cultural institutions, and some enjoy the huge profits to be made from taking a dumbed-down public for a ride. Some people are absolute globetrotting vandalizing trash whose damage is maddeningly difficult to limit where anonymity makes their secret projects all too easy to conduct. If their comedy is tiresomely cold, and even in rant they show no heat, their calculation isn't subtle enough to win for long. I think it will get better, but most of that action will be done behind the boards, and initiated from elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.10695368]

>>10693720
>this is by far the most dogshit board on all of 4channel
you must not go to many boards then. /adv/ alone blows /sci/ out of the water with its level of shittiness

[Anonymous No.10695389]

Based OP and completely agree. I’ve always loved /sci/ as a concept but I rarely browse it because I’m always disappointed when I come here. It’s always highschoolers asking about what a good degree for university would be or students posting their math questions they need help on.

Like fuck why don’t we talk about baryogensis n shit?

[Anonymous No.10695393]

>>10693731
The 4chan space brogram was a thing for a little bit but it fell apart because nobody wanted to spend money on the balloon supplies.

[Anonymous No.10695509]

>>10694952
nice idea but an automated prover could easily handle that shit and flood the board.
it would at least need to be combined with traditional captcha in some way.

[Anonymous No.10695530]

what happened on april 10?

[Anonymous No.10695545]

>>10695530
The black hole image

[Anonymous No.10695558]

>>10695545
wow, so the crossboarders shitting up /sci/ weren't just a boogeyman after all?

[Anonymous No.10695577]

>>10693737
/lit/ would make fun of anyone who posted a To Kill A Mockingbird thread

[Anonymous No.10695588]

>>10695389
>It’s always highschoolers asking about what a good degree for university would be or students posting their math questions they need help on.
These topics are actually more relevant to science and math than the real dogshit that floods the board, how you can mention these but not mention Neil Tyson threads, anti-academia threads, racial IQ thread #2098219, etc. is beyond me

[Anonymous No.10695605]

>>10695588
Do your own homework

[Anonymous No.10695717]

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