[ 3 / biz / cgl / ck / diy / fa / ic / jp / lit / sci / vr / vt ] [ index / top / reports ] [ become a patron ] [ status ]
2023-11: Warosu is now out of extended maintenance.

/sci/ - Science & Math

View post   
File: 41 KB, 502x720, 1274809037146.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1068988 No.1068988 [Reply] [Original]

>> No.1069001

Agnostic isn't higher than Atheist.

Why do people think that these beliefs are a foil to each other or some shit?

>> No.1069008

"Agnostics" are retarded, they don't even know what the term means yet they call themselves one.

>> No.1069022

Given:
- Atheist: Lacks a belief in any gods.
- Agnostic: Believes there is no way to know if a god exists.

All agnostics are also atheists because they lack belief in all gods.

The distinction between agnostics and atheists is silly and useless.

>> No.1069032

Not science related AT ALL

>> No.1069050
File: 4 KB, 90x128, 1243882481323.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1069050

I choose to believe in higher powers because it makes life more interesting.

I'm more intelligent than the rest of you because I can selectively think whatever I want.

Deal with it.

>> No.1069058

>>1069050
herrp derrp loser gtfo

>> No.1069061

Dumb. Every teenager will at some point declare themselves to be an agnostic. Based on the actual definition of agnosticism, many Christians and people of other faiths would be considered agnostics as well.

>> No.1069067

>>1069058

It's ok, simple one. Let not my overwhelming powers of thought impede your thoughts, just keep moving along.

>> No.1069069

>>1069022
Lets get this down.
Agnostic: A guy who doesn't know whether a deity exists, and if it existed he doesn't know whether it would be Mithra, Allah, Jahve, Manitu, Zeus, Ra et cetera.
Atheist: A guy who knows there is no deity.

If you hold a small backwards about the possible existence of a deity then, my friend, you are an agnostic.

>> No.1069080

ITT: hutburrt fat agnostic nerds with pimples on their dicks xoxoxoxo

>> No.1069085

Im agnostic atheist

>> No.1069095

>>1069085
You are not alone.

>> No.1069101

>>1069069
No. Atheists does not believe in any god. There is no "I'm 100% sure that there is no god"-faggotry to it. Just like you aren't agnostic about gravity, I'm not agnostic about god.

>> No.1069098

>>1069069
That definition of atheist is incorrect. You're describing a "strong atheist".

"Atheist"
A = Not
Theist = A belief in a god/gods.

Put em together = Not a belief in a god/gods.

I win.

>> No.1069102

>>1069069
>Atheist: A guy who knows there is no deity.

Atheist is usually used to mean someone who does not believe in a god, including both those who simply don't believe and those who believe a god doesn't exist. You might use the word differently, but most people I know who call themselves atheist use the definition I gave (and would probably call themselves agnostics and not atheists if they were using your definition).

>> No.1069107

Atheism - without or lacking a believe in a god/

>> No.1069129

>>1069101
Actually you stumbled upon a person who IS agnostic towards gravity.
Disregarding the above, you should get your facts straight. I happen to have an exellent knowledge of greek, so I know exactly what a-gnostic(α-γνωστικός,non-knowledgeable) and (ά-θεος, non-believer) mean.

>> No.1069149 [DELETED] 

Atheism - without or lacking a believe in a god/gods.

It doesn't mean a belief that there is no god.

Notice the difference. The first is a lack of beliefs - correct definition, whereas the second (a common creationist strawman) is a belief in a negative.

These things are not the same - you can not believe in Bertrand Russell's teapot without believing it doesn't exist.

The burden of proof rests on the person wanting to assert there is a God/teapot, until it's existance is indeterminate but unlikely. There is no burden of proof resting on someone to disprove it - as proving a negative is incredibly difficult.

Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of beliefs.

>> No.1069161

>>1069050
I don't give a fuck, OK?

>> No.1069162

Atheism - without or lacking a believe in a god/gods.

It doesn't mean a belief that there is no god.

Notice the difference. The first is a lack of beliefs - correct definition, whereas the second (a common creationist strawman) is a belief in a negative.

These things are not the same - you can believe in Bertrand Russell's teapot without believing it doesn't exist.

The burden of proof rests on the person wanting to assert there is a God/teapot, until it's existance is indeterminate but unlikely. There is no burden of proof resting on someone to disprove it - as proving a negative is incredibly difficult.

Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of beliefs.

>> No.1069176

>>1069162
You mix up agnosticism with atheism. You should review your theses

>> No.1069195

The label Agnostic is stupid. Who can REALLY claim absolut certainty about ANYTHING? You can be pretty sure of something, you can be god damned sure of something, but you can never be absolutely %100 certain of anything because of human limitations, pascal daimon and shit.

>> No.1069196

So basically, we've got two agreeing parties that believe the exact same thing, but we argue the fuck over the definition of words.

We aren't discussing theology, we fight over semantics.

>> No.1069210

>>1069067
>thought
>thoughts
>poor word choice
>embarrassed himself while trying to sound smart

>> No.1069206

>>1069195
So agnostiscism is worthless. What matters is if you believe the claim that a certain god exists or not, and how sure you think you are about your position.

>> No.1069216

Atheist: It's not that I believe in no-god, it is that there's no need for a belief about gods at all.

Agnostic: But you can't know that for certain.

Atheist: What can I know for certain, in that sense?

Agnostic: Nothing! That's why agnosticism is such a reasonable position.

Atheist: And here I was thinking that's an unreasonable definition of "to know."

>> No.1069219

>>1068988
the scale is not right

vegan should go under 0

>> No.1069228

>>1069206
I don't claim to be absolutely 100% sure that god doesn't exist but I believe that its existance is almost as plausible as the sidewalks of every city turning into sentient, ninja, cottage cheese next Sunday. What does that make me?

>> No.1069236

>>1069196
We are performing philisophy. Not theology.

>> No.1069242

>>1069176
Pretty sure I haven't.

>> No.1069246

Why is Vegan and mentally impaired listed together with religious beliefs? They're not mutually exclusive you know. Why is Theist above religious? Are Buddhists not as smart as Christians or Muslims? Why do you even propose IQ is in direct relation to religious beliefs? Wouldn't anyone who can't themselves think of weather or not there is a god or not, such as severely mentally handicapped people, be agnostics?

>> No.1069248

I'd like to know why agnostics think it's reasonable to have such absolute certainty in claiming that nothing can be known absolutely.

>>1069050
No, you're not more intelligent because you think what you want. I follow what evidence shows me, you follow whatever the fuck makes your dick hard. You're a retard.

>> No.1069252

>>1069236
>We are performing philisophy
>philisophy
We are talking with our heads up our arses disregarding real positions that hold real people in real life...
We are doing it right!

>> No.1069268

Being undecided is not more intelligent than deciding what you believe in. It's called lacking an opinion. Therefore agnostics can't really contribute anything to a discussion.

>> No.1069277

>>1069252
Logic advanced through philosophy. Lrn2Socrates&Plato.

>> No.1069290

>>1069277
OH YES! PLATO AND SOCRATES INVENTED LOGIC, BEFORE THEM PEOPLE WHERE ALL ILLOGIC AND CRAEWZEEE AND COULDN'T THINK !!1 HERP DERP

>> No.1069301

>>1069268

Disagree. Refusing to take a decisive stand on an unprovable subject doesn't make one less intelligent than someone who does.

>> No.1069305

>>1069290
It's a known fact that greeks invented logic. That's why Japan is like that, it doesn't share our heritage.

>> No.1069308

>>1069301
Please, tell us how you know that it's unprovable.

>> No.1069315

>>1069308

Even if it's not unprovable, it's still unproven. So it's foolish for theists to say there is a God, and atheists to say there isn't a God with any reasonable certainty.

>> No.1069327

>>1069315
Pretty sure most atheists talk about probability and plausibility. We know it's unproven - that doesn't make it unreasonable to assess the potential for a god to exist and then make a guess.

>> No.1069339

>>1069327

God is no more or less probable in light of recent scientific breakthroughs. Only the Gods depicted in religious texts have struggled to stay relevant.

>> No.1069343

>>1069308
Gödel's incompleteness theorem.

>> No.1069345

>>1069339
yawn, you modern day scientists bore me. no more probable he says, fuken idiots. Christian interpretation of grand designer/architect does not sully the fact that life is complex and none of us fukin humans made it. that is all.

>> No.1069348

>>1069022
>All agnostics are also atheists because they lack belief in all gods.

Retard detected.

You can be a theist agnostic.

>> No.1069350

Vegan is the highest tier of knowledge.

>> No.1069354

>>1069301
>unprovable

science doesnt mean you have to measure something to prove it, faggot

>> No.1069357

>agnostic
>high tier

laughinggirls.jpeg

>> No.1069364

>>1069350
That's why cows are so smart.

>> No.1069358

The Gods as they are defined in most religious texts are proven wrong by reality. For example, the Christian God as it's defined usually. Evil can't exist if there's an omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient being.

>> No.1069369

>>1069350

vegans are usually MacBook carrying snobs that lack normal intellect

>> No.1069378

>>1069290
apparently people still cant logic, hence this thread. no aliens, ok.. ignoring all that footage i have in my basement, no they dont exist. but God, the universal caricature of all things incomprehensible, unprovable, this seems to be the extreme of logic where it makes no sense.

I recently found out I was both Socrates and Tesla. Fuck you humans, you silly fucks. Elitism is righteous, NWO is the only way to get you self centered shits to do something productive with your banal existence

>> No.1069376

>>1069345
There is stuff, grogg didn't make stuff. Giant caveman with powers made stuff!!!! Grunt.

>> No.1069391

>>1069290
You are no better than a muslim. You disregard the achievements of philosophy the same way creationists disregard every single evidence of evolution.

>> No.1069406

Atheist: belief in gods is irrational until "proven" (note: burden of proof)
Agnostic: We can NEVER know either way...

/thread

>> No.1069415

>>1069376
and right there, a caveman showed more insight than the brightest of sci. It's like arguing the point, when there are so many definitions for it. I'm stating plainly, the universe didnt just occur, the big bang wasnt some random state of matter, and even if it were what exactly constitutes existence that makes our reality to coherent, so consistent (most of the time) it's not you, it's not me, yet it exists,hence it MUST BE some unseen force. Personally I believe God is cause and effect. But you fags can continue to take the cowardly stance because you feel so strongly in your little hearts that we will only ever get indirect proof of a GOD like character. dumbasess you're not clever or witty, and all those delusional christians are happier(quantifiable happiness faggot) than you with all your answers and knowledge.

>> No.1069438

>>1069415

They are happier because ignorance is bliss, truly.

>> No.1069463

>>1069406
this is a silly argument, posed by a half retard.

If an alien landed on earth and left the ship there intact, we could conclude that it is either truly alien in origin or at least some other country as it is undoubtedly not our own fuken creation. Though it may seem like I'm saying that the ship is more than enough concrete evidence to assume that aliens do exist, what I'm really saying is that the whole planet is an alien ship floating through space, the whole entire solar system, so many levels of science and encapsulation ending with sentient biological beings. I agree whole heartedly that christian God sounds like an anthropomorphized deity, but suggesting the existence of a God like being and alluding to his character are two completely different things. its more than apparent that you faggots dont know what science is. a few 100 years of scientific achievement is what you cocky shits base all your arrogance on.

>> No.1069482

>>1069415
How do you know that cause and effect were actually properties of the universe when time was, as far as we know, nonexistent?

You're simply saying that you don't know what "created" the universe, therefore a Sky Daddy had to do it, then you appeal to emotion. Who the fuck cares if Christfags are happier? It's a complete non sequitur, go blow it out your ass fucktard.

>> No.1069487

>>1069438
yes ignorance is bliss. but the significance of your existence is predicated on the majority being ignorant. you do not want all people to be enlightened, you favor intellectual materialism. The church leaders are well versed on cutting edge science but they have an ancient understanding of our universe and the applications of faith. I've seen miracles and whatever the explanation, these mindless sheep are able to tap into reserves of human potential that science wont be able to explain. yet somehow science (you faggots) seem to think that if something cannot be explained it does not exist.

>> No.1069502

Conversationalists!!!
The less you talk, the dumber you get

>> No.1069503

Agnostic atheism is god tier.

/thread is fucking over

>> No.1069510

Strong agnostic here. Ultimate knowledge is not possible, therefore there is no being with ultimate knowledge.

/thread

>> No.1069524

>>1069482
I dont know what the smallest fraction of time is, if i did I might have send cause then effect. even paused a video game is no less the effect of a cause even in it's repercussionless state, which is what I think we'll see between galaxies.

sky daddy? straw man? straw, for your juice pack? Hows that an appeal to emotion? not all god fags are christ fags. It's a logical deduction to assume that someone else did something that had and effect if you didnt know it. Sure, it could be that you're really God and you forgot. I walk upside on a ball in space, I leave my mind open to more aspects of convolution.

>> No.1069529

>>1069487

I, and I'm sure most people, do NOT want the world to be ignorant. You see an arrogance in science because it has been able to explain away so much of that precious bullshit faith. An ancient understanding of our universe involves knowing NOTHING about our universe, it's a useless point.

You've seen miracles? Please describe exactly what happened and be sure that it cannot possibly be explained by anything natural whatsoever. No, "I don't know what happened but I think this happened so it's a miracle" is not a sufficient explanation.

Also, what fucking potential do the sheeple "tap into"?

Finally, science does not say that the currently unexplainable does not exist. It says that the currently unexplainable has an explanation that exists, is not a cop-out, and is based on evidence, not talking to an imaginary friend.

Fuck you and die in a fire.

>> No.1069531

Hello /sci/, tldr; alot of retards on this thread who don't know what agnosticism is
me- I am an agnostic theist.
you- OMFG MINDFUCK WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?
me- Using the interwebz is hard amirite?

>> No.1069551

>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503
>>1069503

>> No.1069573

>>1069524
It's an appeal to emotion because you tried to make people feel bad because they aren't as happy as the retarded flocks that go to their Godsquad Clubhouse meetings. There's no other reason to even mention that religious people are happier.

It's poor inductive reasoning to assume that everything must have a cause if time doesn't exist.

Lastly, what would cause you to not believe that a god of some kind exists? If you say "nothing" or "evidence of nonexistence", then you are not open-minded and you are a deceitful shitsack. I know exactly what will change my mind - evidence of existence.

>> No.1069583

agnostic theist

>> No.1069586

I'm a deist. I believe god created the universe and then abandoned. it.


DADDY WHY U DO DIS ;_;

>> No.1069592

>>1069586
Why do you believe that?

>> No.1069600

>>1069592
Because he doesn't answer my prayers

>> No.1069602

>>1069592

Problems with his parents, probably.

>> No.1069612

>>1069463
Are you fucking high? You read an entire ARGUMENT through 2 simple statements categorizing 2 different mindsets? wtf...
I didn't even say which one I categorized myself as anyways...holy shit, calm the fuck down.

>> No.1069616

>>1069529
>I, and I'm sure most people, do NOT want the world to be ignorant. You see an arrogance in science because it has been able to explain away so much of that precious bullshit faith. An ancient understanding of our universe involves knowing NOTHING about our universe, it's a useless point.

ACtually, if anything commercialism shows is that anything is a commodity and will be hoarded. And has been for ages, and patents have been perverted for that exact same reason. I dont see an arrogance in sci for what it has accomplished but for the BS representatives who seem to forget that science is based on principles that we can not prove other than the fact that we can create controls because of the nature of coherency. there's a lot of a history. i dont understand your point, perhaps you were doing a line by line out of context analysis? Science today is based on the work of many past individuals, but before industrial revolution there were still many scientists and many burnt libraries.


You've seen miracles? Please describe exactly what happened and be sure that it cannot possibly be explained by anything natural whatsoever. No, "I don't know what happened but I think this happened so it's a miracle" is not a sufficient explanation.

I've seen fireballs, ghosts, aliens, instantaneous healing, unparalleled coincidence, premonitions, disruption of the laws of conservation of motion.

Also, what fucking potential do the sheeple "tap into"?
see above.

Finally, science does not say that the currently unexplainable does not exist. It says that the currently unexplainable has an explanation that exists, is not a cop-out, and is based on evidence, not talking to an imaginary friend.
yes, but evidence is not physical. it's the same reason you dont think philosophy is a science when it's probably the most natural science of all, and the least easily quantifiable.


Fuck you and die in a fire.
thanks

>> No.1069632

>>1069463
Science wasn't even mentioned in that post, retard. Besides, atheism is simply the rejection of a claim (a very silly one, I may add).

Being the supposed /sci/fag that you are, you should know that claims require EVIDENCE to back it up.

>> No.1069659

FYI I am religious and am motherfucking smart. Also, my friend who is religious got a 2390 on the SAT.
Stop trolling/profiling people

>> No.1069660

>>1069600
Let me be more clear - why do you believe he exists at all?

>> No.1069664

>>1069573
>It's an appeal to emotion because you tried to make people feel bad because they aren't as happy as the retarded flocks that go to their Godsquad Clubhouse meetings. There's no other reason to even mention that religious people are happier.
ok fine. i've got to go chop peppers.


>It's poor inductive reasoning to assume that everything must have a cause if time doesn't exist.
it's pure conjecture baby, just feels right, i dont know whats past an oort cloud. do you?

Lastly, what would cause you to not believe that a god of some kind exists? If you say "nothing" or "evidence of nonexistence", then you are not open-minded and you are a deceitful shitsack. I know exactly what will change my mind - evidence of existence.
evidence of existence - what kinda existence you looking for? this text not enough for you?

>> No.1069684

>>1069616
If you had seen all that shit and were able to back it up AT ALL, you'd be fucking famous. You don't even realize your own bullshit.

Also, how is a fireball a miracle?

You clearly don't understand what natural science actually is. Philosophy could be considered a social science, but that has nothing to do with how the universe works, only how people interact. You're pulling shit out of your ass and trying to make us believe it's shiny, but it's still a turd.

>> No.1069692

>>1069632
atheists are the biggest godfags. it's like calling yourself antigay. whereas agnosticism is like being confident in the fact that there will be no alcohol at those faggots party. I'm not sure what you're asking, I probab;y dont remember

>> No.1069696

>>1069664
No, this text is not enough to prove to me that some god exists. I have better things to do than rage on 4chan, fuck this shit...

>> No.1069723

>>1069529
Oceans spanning beyond my sight
And a million stars way above em at night
We don't have to be high to look in the sky
And know that's a miracle opened wide
Look at the mountains, trees, the seven seas
And everything chilling underwater, please
Hot lava, snow, rain and fog
Long neck giraffes, and pet cats and dogs
And I've seen eighty-five thousand people
All in one room, together as equals
Pure magic is the birth of my kids
I've seen shit that'll shock your eyelids
The sun and the moon, and even Mars
The Milky Way and fucking shooting stars
UFOs, a river flows
Plant a little seed and nature grows
Niagara falls and the pyramids
Everything you believed in as kids
Fucking rainbows after it rains
There's enough miracles here to blow your brains
I fed a fish to a pelican at Frisco bay
It tried to eat my cell phone, he ran away
And music is magic, pure and clean
You can feel it and hear it but it can't be seen

>> No.1069730

>>1069723
con't

I see miracles all around me
Stop and look around, it's all astounding
Water, fire, air and dirt
Fucking magnets, how do they work?
And I don't wanna talk to a scientist
Y'all motherfuckers lying, and getting me pissed
Solar eclipse, and vicious weather
Fifteen thousand Juggalos together
And I love my mom for giving me this
Time on this planet, taking nothing for granted
I seen a caterpillar turn into a butterfly
Miracles ain't nothing to lie
Shaggy's little boys look just like Shaggy
And my little boy looks just like daddy
Miracles each and every where you look
And nobody has to stay where they put
This world is yours for you to explore
There's nothing but miracles beyond your door
The Dark Carnival is your invitation
To witness them without explanation
Take a look at this fine creation
And enjoy it better with appreciation
Crows, ghosts, the midnight coast
The wonders of the world, mysteries the most
Just open your mind, and it ain't no way
To ignore the miracles of every day

>> No.1069737

>>1069684
that' assuming im a fame hog. I said previously I was socrates and tesla, do you really think I care what you think?

Also, how is a fireball a miracle?

did i say fireball, i meant to say fireball(s) with an s

You clearly don't understand what natural science actually is. Philosophy could be considered a social science, but that has nothing to do with how the universe works, only how people interact. You're pulling shit out of your ass and trying to make us believe it's shiny, but it's still a turd.

philosophy - how people interact. but yeah, apart from that, fagot, how people act is just as significant as covalent bonds. Anything can be a science, see astrotometry, as long as you apply the same simplistic model of using observations to draw conclusions.

>> No.1069747

>>1069696
ok god doesnt exist. he never did. we come from dark matter, we are only our chemical constituents. when we die that is it.

>> No.1069761

ITT: People who haven't yet realized that what most people call "agnosticism" is really agnostic atheism.

>> No.1069766

Do you notice and recognize miracles?

>> No.1069819

>>1069761
agnostic and atheism do not mix
so fuck off

>> No.1069884

>>1069692
None of that shit you spewed was even related to my post. I am confident in saying that you are in fact retarded/high.

>> No.1069911
File: 120 KB, 640x843, beliefs.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1069911

/thread

>> No.1069920
File: 30 KB, 269x346, evilsmiley.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1069920

>> No.1070043

>>1069819
>>1069819
>>1069819

I can't even begin to comprehend how fucking stupid you are.

>> No.1070196
File: 89 KB, 464x428, trollface.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]
1070196

>>1069510
>Strong agnostic here. Ultimate knowledge is not possible, therefore there is no being with ultimate knowledge.
Which means there is no god